Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?

In message Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-08-15 10:16, nospam wrote:
In article , Wolf K
wrote:
[...]
OK, so I can connect any iPad to my Windows PC's via USB ports, and I
will see the the iPad's files.

Right?

as usual, you snipped the numerous options i gave. now do you see why i
am not particularly interested in explaining things further?

I'm asking specifically about USB-to-USB port, just plug in the cable,
and go.

No you're not. You're interested in trolling.

There are MANY ways to get files to/from and iOS devices and anyone who
claims it's impossible is a troll liar ****.

Now, if your question is "can I use arbitrary method" then no, you
cannot. And you will never be able to see all of the iOS filesystem.
Ever. But can you easily, trivially, put your files on your iOS device and
take them off? Yes you can.

Sure, I know about all those web-based methods, which is why I snipped
that bit. They aren't the issue.

They are some of the many ways to get files on and off iOS, so yes, they
are.

Once again: Can I just connect an iPad to my PC with a USB cable, see
the iPad as a storage device

You know damn well you can't, and you never have and you never will. iOS
doesn't let you **** around with its files. If you want that, you need
the malware magnet security by tape and sticky paper of Android.

--
"Thank you for sending me a copy of your book; I'll waste no time
reading it." - Moses Hadas

In message NY wrote:
Hmm. Why did I not experience this when I connected an iPad to a Windows PC
by USB? And yes, the cable worked OK to do the same process from an Android
phone.

I call bull****. You cannot use the same cable for an Android device
and an iPhone.

You are a lying troll, and you can go in the bitbucket now, asshole.


--
I SAW NOTHING UNUSUAL IN THE TEACHER'S LOUNGE Bart chalkboard Ep. 8F17

In message Frank Slootweg wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , Wolf K
wrote:

I needed a new tablet this past week so I bought the new 9.7 iPad
with 128GB storage. Gorgeous screen and it's fast. Great tablet
- but I live in a Windows world and after finding out the
limitations and kludges I would have to use to transfer
files/folders between the systems, I gave up. Not worth the
effort.
it's very easy to move content to/from an ipad, regardless of operating
system.
Typical utterly useless "You're wrong" post.

It's time you gave real world examples so that the poor sods who lack
your brilliance and knowledge can learn how to dfo it themselves.
that's been done numerous times,
But you can't/won't give a pointer! Why's that!?
i*have* given pointers. many, many times.

i've even explained it to*you* a while back, regarding smb apps. or
have you somehow forgotten that?

unlike android devices, smb on ios does*not* require root/jailbreak.
[...]

OK, so I can connect any iPad to my Windows PC's via USB ports, and I
will see the the iPad's files.

Right?

as usual, you snipped the numerous options i gave. now do you see why i
am not particularly interested in explaining things further?

here it is again:
the reality is that there are numerous methods for transferring content
in either direction using industry standard protocols, including via
ftp, sftp, ftps, http, afp, smb, webdav, amazon s3, dropbox & other
cloud services as well as many other options, no kludges necessary. it
might require downloading an app, but that's about it.

In other words, the answer (to - amongst others - Wolf K question) is
'no'.

The answer to his question is "yes,. of course, this is how you do it"
and you and your mate scream like widdle babies "I DON'T WANT TO DO IT
THAT WAY!" and claim that means it's impossible.

--
In other news, Gandalf died. -- Secret Diary of Boromir

On 15 Aug 2018 23:35:22 GMT, Lewis wrote:

1. Connect device and drag files in via iTunes
2. User a service like Dropbox, Google Drive., of iCloud Drive
3. Use AirDrop from another iOS device or a Mac
4. Email
5. Messages
6. other messaging services that work on iOS and support files (Dunno
which, I don't use other message programes, but I expect they exist).
7. Use a Synology with DS File
8. Backblaze
9. FTP server
10. HTTP server

Hehhehheh ... all kludges ... each with astoundingly huge drawbacks...

Not one of the solutions even comes close in either utility or
comprehensive power to the universal USB-based zero-apps-needed zero-clouds
needed zero servers needed zero NAS servers needed zero proprietary
solutions needed, etc., simple native solution that all common consumer
platforms employ, that aren't iOS.

1. The iTunes abomination - hundreds of megabytes of Orwellian restrictions
2. The cloud (a MARKETING dream to rent your data back to you forever)
3. AirDrop (where the real world is, in Apple's own words "not supported")
4. Email (hehhehheh ... try that with a *large* set of files!)
5. Messages (hehhehheh ... even moreso - try that will a zillion files)
6. See above and add "imaginary functionality" to the list
7. A personal NAS provider which is overkill for something so simple
8. More cloud solutions that MARKETING dreams of entrapping users into
9. FTP server - you're joking right? Havef you ever tried it on iOS?
10. HTTP server - you're joking right? Have you ever tried it on iOS?
HINT: Both FTP & HTTP servers work fine on Android - where FTP works better
for large file transfers - but on iOS it's basically non functionally
useless.

See details why #9 & #10 are patently hilarious on iOS in this thread:
How to transfer iPad photos/videos to/from Linux/Windows over Wi-Fi LAN?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/YtpKpDhWm_s/yphq_3bRCAAJ

"Lewis" wrote
Frank Slootweg wrote:

| In other words, the answer (to - amongst others - Wolf K question) is
| 'no'.
|
| The answer to his question is "yes,. of course, this is how you do it"
| and you and your mate scream like widdle babies "I DON'T WANT TO DO IT
| THAT WAY!" and claim that means it's impossible.
|
| --
| In other news, Gandalf died. -- Secret Diary of Boromir

Now you've done it, Frank. But this does answer
the age-old question: Who's more unreasonable
than an AppleSeed? That would be an AppleSeed
who's also a Tolkien fetishist.

On 15 Aug 2018 16:57:56 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Same here, and the same goes for many people I know who actually use iOS
devices rather than trolling Apple news groups about supposedly being
unable to do these simple things with them. Some people get **** done;
some people just troll

The funny thing is that both you, Jolly Roger, and Lewis, are classic Apple
Apologists, both of whom are on record for many times denying facts that
are inconvenient to you - and yet - you supply exact zero references to
back up your facts.

Want me to back up my facts?
Let's just look at this recent thread, shall we?

In that thread, you, Jolly Roger, literally screamed many times that the
IPA functionality that the OP, Wade Garrett asked for, existed in iOS, when
David Empson (who I may remind the others, is NEVER wrong and who is the
most respected technically astute poster on all the iOS newsgroups bar
none) literally said you're dead wrong - Jolly Roger.

Copy App from iPad to iPad Mini
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw

Since your credibility and that of Lewis is worthless, but mine is stellar,
allow me to back up that claim with a reference from David Empson himself:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/z3kVVoc-CAAJ

Allow me to remind the audience that David Empson, who is one of the most,
if not the most technically astute Apple posters ever, was responding
directly to your wild claims, Jolly Roger, where he started with "nope" and
then proved you fabricated your claim thereafter.

Why do you Apple Apologists incessantly fabricate imaginary functionality?
I don't know why.

Over the decades, I've learned that Apple Apologist guesses are right about
1 out of 20 times, which means Apple Apologists lead astray 19 out of 20
posters (in this case it was Wade Garrett, no friend of mine, who is a
typical iOS user - who finally concluded the task was *impossible* to
accomplish with iOS - under his real world circumstances where David Empson
backs him up).

Yet you and nospam (and probably Lewis, I'd have to look) *deny* this fact.
What you do is brazenly claim wholly fabricated imaginary functionality!

Why?
I don't know why.

Certainly you're not in the least trying to help that original iOS poster.

I don't think it's just that you're dumb either... since nobody can be
_that_ dumb. They just can't be as dumb as what you write makes you appear
to be.

So the only logical conclusion is simply that you're playing silly games.
Why do you Apple Apologists incessantly play your silly games?

I don't know why.
You're not like normal adults.

You, and people like you, are the reason, unilaterally, why any thread that
has Apple Apologists on it drags on to infinity with outrageous claims of
imaginary functionality - and yet - you can *never* prove any of them.
(because they're all fictional fabrications)

Why do the trolls like Jolly Roger & nospam always FABRICATE everything?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/GExRc1qrFGo/JBzdCKSSAwAJ

On 15 Aug 2018 14:24:04 GMT, nospam wrote:

whenever he's shown to be wrong, he goes off on a rant.

No rant. Just facts.

It's a fact current iOS devices can't even report the correct cell tower ID
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/2F_24NrIU3Q/t7_jS4zyAgAJ

Is there a reason (what is the reason) Apple iOS won't let users get the cell tower ID?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ne/1QKD-6c06_w[201-225]

Which app do you use to scan/debug GSM/CDMA cellular tower signal strength?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/LizlMNsu49Q/oQJXKyX-CAAJ

etc.

In article , Arlen Holder
wrote:

It's a fact current iOS devices can't even report the correct cell tower ID

it's a fact that you're full of ****.

http://www.iphoneforums.net/attachme...b-ac8a-12f1019
de8f7-png.37470/

so much for your 'facts'.

Is there a reason (what is the reason) Apple iOS won't let users get the
cell tower ID?

they have no issue with users getting the cell tower id, not that it's
of much use, but those who want that info can obtain it.

http://www.iphoneforums.net/attachme...b-ac8a-12f1019
de8f7-png.37470/

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

you said you wanted to transfer photos. connect the ipad via usb and
use whatever photo apps you normally use with other cameras. that can
even be set up to auto-copy when the ipad is connected.

I don't use an app to transfer photos from the camera. Windows Explorer
sees the camera as a folder, just like any other connected storage device.

windows explorer is an app, so yes you do use an app.

since the ipad is seen as a standard digital camera, windows explorer
will work, which i've said several times already and which you continue
to ignore for some reason.

however, windows explorer is a very poor choice for photo management,
but that's a completely separate issue and nothing is preventing you
from using it if that's what you want to use.

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

no he doesn't. he doesn't even understand what web-based even means.

ROTFLMAO

I go back to the days of Kermit, and such.

as if that means something.

nothing is stopping you from using kermit to transfer files to/from an
ios device, assuming one could find a suitable host that supported it.

it would not be a very productive method, but if that's what you want
to do, by all means, go for it.

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

using usb is an artificial limitation you are imposing,

Nope, it's the focus of this subthread.

nope. it's a self-imposed limitation.

usb does work (as has been explained many times), however, there are
*other* choices available, some of which are much simpler than usb, and
denying their existence (which you insist on doing) is crazy.

In article , Lewis
wrote:


I needed a new tablet this past week so I bought the new 9.7 iPad with
128GB
storage. Gorgeous screen and it's fast. Great tablet - but I live in a
Windows world and after finding out the limitations and kludges I would
have
to use to transfer files/folders between the systems, I gave up. Not
worth
the effort.

it's very easy to move content to/from an ipad, regardless of operating
system.

Typical utterly useless "You're wrong" post.

The idiot troll is always wrong.

actually, the original text is likely from a different person than the
nym-shifting troll, despite some similarities, just not enough for me
to consider it to be a match.

in any event, he gave up without trying very hard.

It's time you gave real world examples so that the poor sods who lack
your brilliance and knowledge can learn how to dfo it themselves.

Been done, dozens of times. There are threads with hundreds of posts
detailing how to do something extrmely simple where itio troll continues
to claim it's impossible.

yep.

I transfer files between my computers an iPads with no issue at all, and
have been doing it for many years.

yep. millions of people do it every day.

1. Connect device and drag files in via iTunes
2. User a service like Dropbox, Google Drive., of iCloud Drive
3. Use AirDrop from another iOS device or a Mac
4. Email
5. Messages
6. other messaging services that work on iOS and support files (Dunno
which, I don't use other message programes, but I expect they exist).

those do exist. however, email or messages is not a practical option
except for the occasional photo or similar, although in many cases,
it's the simplest and easiest choice.

the cool thing about choices is you can pick what works best for a
given situation and not be limited to only one method.

7. Use a Synology with DS File
8. Backblaze
9. FTP server
10. HTTP server

And I bet I am forgetting many.

yep.

as i've said before, there is smb, sftp, webdav and many others, and
that isn't even a complete list.

In article , Lewis
wrote:

OK, so I can connect any iPad to my Windows PC's via USB ports, and I
will see the the iPad's files.

Right?

as usual, you snipped the numerous options i gave. now do you see why i
am not particularly interested in explaining things further?

I'm asking specifically about USB-to-USB port, just plug in the cable,
and go.

No you're not. You're interested in trolling.

There are MANY ways to get files to/from and iOS devices and anyone who
claims it's impossible is a troll liar ****.

some might be trolls, but most are simply unaware of all of the options
available.

for some reason, they don't want to learn what those options are or if
any of them might be easier than what they're currently doing.

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

ios devices use a lightning connector (or a dock connector for older
devices).

That's why there are Lightning to USB cables....

yep.

now explain why you snipped to alter context.

to remind you:
he claimed he used the *same* cable on both android and ios, and since
it worked on android, the cable wasn't the issue when he used it with
the ipad.

except that android and ios have *different* connectors, therefore it
could *not* have been the same cable.

heck, even different android devices might have different connectors
and will need different cables. i have three android devices, all of
which need different cables.

In article , Jolly Roger
wrote:


It's time you gave real world examples so that the poor sods who lack
your brilliance and knowledge can learn how to dfo it themselves.

Been done, dozens of times. There are threads with hundreds of posts
detailing how to do something extrmely simple where itio troll continues
to claim it's impossible.

I transfer files between my computers an iPads with no issue at all, and
have been doing it for many years.

1. Connect device and drag files in via iTunes
2. User a service like Dropbox, Google Drive., of iCloud Drive
3. Use AirDrop from another iOS device or a Mac
4. Email
5. Messages
6. other messaging services that work on iOS and support files (Dunno
which, I don't use other message programes, but I expect they exist).
7. Use a Synology with DS File
8. Backblaze
9. FTP server
10. HTTP server

And I bet I am forgetting many.

Same here, and the same goes for many people I know who actually use iOS
devices rather than trolling Apple news groups about supposedly being
unable to do these simple things with them. Some people get **** done;
some people just troll.

actually, it's crossposted to several groups, including a windows
group, where the bulk of the arguments are originating.