Clean System

I thought that Windows included the ability to perform many of the
cleanup functions performed by CCleaner. I've been trying to find this
and have no luck. Anyone know if this exists and how to access it?

Shoe wrote:
I thought that Windows included the ability to perform many of the
cleanup functions performed by CCleaner. I've been trying to find this
and have no luck. Anyone know if this exists and how to access it?

W7/W8/W10 have a copy of cleanmgr.exe .

Be careful with it. There is one tick box in it
that threatens to delete all the files in your
Download folder!

It's not the same thing as CCleaner, as it's not
focused on applications. It's focused on the "system".
Like, clean the TEMP folder, clean some Windows Update
or Upgrade things, clean stuff that didn't belong
in the first place, clean Windows Defender update files.
Those sorts of things.

The makers of CCleaner are pretty safe. Microsoft
is not competing with them.

And watch out for that Download tick box in any case.

When I use cleanmgr.exe , one of the first things
I do is clear all the tick boxes. And then I read
each item, and only tick it, if it "isn't a trap".

Paul

On 8/15/2018 11:36 PM, Shoe wrote:
I thought that Windows included the ability to perform many of the
cleanup functions performed by CCleaner. I've been trying to find this
and have no luck. Anyone know if this exists and how to access it?


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On 8/15/2018 11:36 AM, Shoe wrote:
I thought that Windows included the ability to perform many of the
cleanup functions performed by CCleaner. I've been trying to find this
and have no luck. Anyone know if this exists and how to access it?

First you must clean my ass with your mouth!

On 08/15/2018 11:36 AM, Shoe wrote:
I thought that Windows included the ability to perform many of the
cleanup functions performed by CCleaner. I've been trying to find this
and have no luck. Anyone know if this exists and how to access it?

If you have the later build of WIndows 10, open Settings - system -
storage. You'll see an item on the right to clean up files (or some
wording like that). Click it and let it build the list. Then you can
check or uncheck anything. I like this one rather than cleanmgr since
it give a bit more of an explanation of what it's cleaning.

Paul wrote:

Shoe wrote:
I thought that Windows included the ability to perform many of the
cleanup functions performed by CCleaner. I've been trying to find this
and have no luck. Anyone know if this exists and how to access it?

W7/W8/W10 have a copy of cleanmgr.exe .

Be careful with it. There is one tick box in it
that threatens to delete all the files in your
Download folder!

It's not the same thing as CCleaner, as it's not
focused on applications. It's focused on the "system".
Like, clean the TEMP folder, clean some Windows Update
or Upgrade things, clean stuff that didn't belong
in the first place, clean Windows Defender update files.
Those sorts of things.

The makers of CCleaner are pretty safe. Microsoft
is not competing with them.

And watch out for that Download tick box in any case.

When I use cleanmgr.exe , one of the first things
I do is clear all the tick boxes. And then I read
each item, and only tick it, if it "isn't a trap".

Paul

As for Piriform's CCLeaner, Piriform was acquired by Avast. In their
free products, Avast has turned into adware platforms. They did the
same to CCleaner after Avast got their greedy hands on Piriform.
There's nothing of Piriform that is a security or anti-malware product.
Avast acquired Piriform because they wanted a larger audience to which
they could advertize their products.

The last clean version of CCleaner is 5.40. After that, Avast made a
change to add a tracking cookie. CCleaner will list the cookie file but
won't delete it. Then Avast added their adware platform to CCleaner, so
it advertizes Avast products when you use CCleaner. Avast also bundled
their anti-virus with the CCleaner's installer.

I use CCleaner but have stayed with version 5.40. The changes they
announced with newer versions are fluff but they need those changes tp
promote a new version to lure users to upgrade, so Avast could get more
users to install free Avast anti-virus (with its adware platform) and
track them with the cookie. I also use Avast anti-virus free but
configured it for silent mode. That means I don't get notifications
about updates to the program (signature updates are still automatic) but
I also don't get nuisanced with popups when Avast decides to engage in
yet another marketing campaign trying to lure their freeloaders to buy
from Avast. Besides being an adware platform (that can be silenced),
Avast anti-virus already comes with lureware components trying to lure
the freeloaders to buy from Avast. When *I* decide it is time to check
for program updates, I save an image backup and then *I* go check for
program updates. I don't want software nuisancing me with announcements
of new versions which are not applicable to my use (nothing in the
changes nullifies the working version that I already have). I'll decide
when to update, not them.

If I didn't still have the installer for CCleaner 5.40 (or could not
find it elsewhere from a trusted source), I would've dumped CCleaner.
If I couldn't silence Avast's adware platform in their free anti-virus
product, I would dump that, too. I did try other free AVs, like
Bitdefender but that was a lot slower (more impact to the responsiveness
of my computer). The only components of Avast AV that I install a
file shield, web shield, behavior shield. The rest are superfluous to
bloat their feature set (e.g., mail shield) or are baitware.

I liked CCleaner right up until Avast poked their greedy fingers into
its installer and program code. The old 5.40 version works just fine
without bundling an AV into the installer or converting the program into
an adware platform.

I use both the Windows' Disk Cleanup wizard (cleanmgr.exe) and CCleaner
(the old 5.40 version) and even have them as scheduled events in Task
Scheduler. cleanmgr can be ran without a user prompt by creating a
definition that is used to later run the cleanup. Do an online search
on "cleanmgr sageset sagerun" for the command line to create the
definition and how to run the definition. Ccleaner can be ran from the
command line using "ccleaner.exe /auto".

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On 8/15/2018 11:36 AM, Shoe wrote:
I thought that Windows included the ability to perform many of the
cleanup functions performed by CCleaner. I've been trying to find this
and have no luck. Anyone know if this exists and how to access it?

First you must clean my ass with your mouth!

"VanguardLH" wrote in message ...

The last clean version of CCleaner is 5.40. After that, Avast made a
change to add a tracking cookie. CCleaner will list the cookie file but
won't delete it.


CCleaner will delete the Avast Cookie(manually or running the cleanup). The
cookie is created/updated when CCleaner is opened, thus after deletion it
will reappear on the next open.

Then Avast added their adware platform to CCleaner, so
it advertizes Avast products when you use CCleaner.

Version 5.45.6611 - no Avast ads when running/using the program on Win7,
Win10
- Note: 6611 is not currently available to download(the same above applies
to 6475)

The presence of the AVAST offer in the program is controlled by a preset
value if the program is previously installed - offered only after a
pre-determined time frame.

For first time installs, the Avast offer is intermittent. Sometimes offered,
sometimes not.

Use of the 'slim' installer does not have the AV offer.

Fyi....5.40 isn't the last 'clean' version, it was the first version that
included the AVAST installer
https://support.piriform.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001205071-Why-has-Avast-been-installed-to-my-machine-

Also, of note....the CCleaner Active Monitoring reset option is controlled
by a Task Scheduler item - remove the scheduled item and Monitoring will
remain off until the next program install.

....w¡ñ§±¤ñ ...
- Yep, that's the chars that winston uses in an ISO defined 'From'
header despite none of the chars in his nym are outside of ASCII7.
- Plus he posts using HTML in a text-only newsgroup despite WLM lets
its users independently choose either HTML or Plain Text for "mail
sending format" and "news sending format".
.... wrote:

"VanguardLH" wrote ...

The last clean version of CCleaner is 5.40. After that, Avast made a
change to add a tracking cookie. CCleaner will list the cookie file but
won't delete it.

CCleaner will delete the Avast Cookie(manually or running the cleanup). The
cookie is created/updated when CCleaner is opened, thus after deletion it
will reappear on the next open.

https://forum.piriform.com/topic/513...ies-for-avast/
See Stephen Piriform's response (2nd one in thread).

If the cookie got deleted by the unload of CCleaner then how would Avast
know what prior offers they spewed at you? In fact, Stephen says if the
cookie were deleted then you get splattered with old and new ads, not
just new[er] ads. He says the Avast tracking cookies have been added to
CCleaner's whitelist by default. Well, if true, users should be able to
go into the cookie whitelist and delete the Avast one.

Then Avast added their adware platform to CCleaner, so it advertizes
Avast products when you use CCleaner.

Version 5.45.6611 - no Avast ads when running/using the program on Win7,
Win10
- Note: 6611 is not currently available to download(the same above applies
to 6475)

The presence of the AVAST offer in the program is controlled by a preset
value if the program is previously installed - offered only after a
pre-determined time frame.

For first time installs, the Avast offer is intermittent. Sometimes offered,
sometimes not.

Use of the 'slim' installer does not have the AV offer.

Fyi....5.40 isn't the last 'clean' version, it was the first version that
included the AVAST installer
https://support.piriform.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001205071-Why-has-Avast-been-installed-to-my-machine-

I've done 3 CCleaner 5.40.1165 installs since reverting back to the 5.40
version. I've not seen the Avast AV bundled offer in the installer's
screen. Before doing a reinstall, especially when reverting, I do the
uninstall followed by remnant registry and file cleanup, so nothing of
an uninstalled product is left behind. I must've gotten lucky.

Ooh, I think I know why I don't see the bundled Avast AV option added to
CCleaner's installer: I already have Avast free installed. It won't
offer what is already present. Also:

https://forum.piriform.com/topic/492...ree-antivirus/

Stephen suggests paying $20, get the slim installer (that became
available later), or use the portable version. It's been 8 months since
his post yet https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner/download doesn't list a
slim installer (or a portable version, either). I had to do an online
search (Google, in this case) on "ccleaner portable" to find the hidden
"builds" page (https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner/builds) at Piriform.
Also found the slim installer there. Says "no toolbar". Geez, Avast
polluted CCleaner with a toolbar or tries to install a web browser
add-on for some toolbar?

https://forum.piriform.com/topic/311...lbar-not-cool/
https://techdows.com/2013/05/whats-t...-versions.html

Oh goody, not only tracking cookies (which are whitelisted so they
survive across CCleaner sessions) along with adding code for an adware
platform within CCleaner, Avast wants to corrupt your web browser config
with Google's Toolbar - but that's only for Internet Explorer, so many
users won't know IE has been altered because they've long moved away to
another web browser (Firefox, Google Chrome). I 've seen posts about
CCleaner's installer dumping Google Toolbar on users' PCs dating back to
2011 yet I have never seen it offered (and I haven't had Google Chrome
on my PC before Oct 2017 - mostly when I tired of Mozilla making Firefox
too much a moving target for too long).

Also, of note....the CCleaner Active Monitoring reset option is controlled
by a Task Scheduler item - remove the scheduled item and Monitoring will
remain off until the next program install.

I thought the monitor was part of only the payware version.

https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner

In the comparison chart, "Real-time Monitoring" requires buying the
Professional edition - which has a defragmenter (despite Defraggler is
free), file recovery (despite Recuva is free), and hardware inventory
(despite Speccy is free). They bundle in their freebies to bloat their
feature set. What you get with their Pro bundle is the Pro edition
along with their freebies. I've never needed the automatic updating the
Pro edition has, and the real-time monitoring is just a nag. It
includes scheduled cleaning but I already mentioned how to run
"ccleaner.exe /auto" as a scheduled event in Task Scheduler, so that's a
bogus feature they list for the Pro edition - it's already in the free
edition (well, it is now but who know what Avast will chop off later).

I'll wait probably about another year before I go to a newer version of
CCleaner. I'll check if the portable version has remained clean during
that waiting period. As yet, none of the changes made to CCleaner since
5.40 are applicable to me. I'm still using Windows 7 on my home PC (and
don't install this type of 3rd party software on my work PCs), so I
don't need the changes specific to Windows 10.

https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner/version-history

5.44.6676
- Not using Windows 10 where I use CCleaner. Wouldn't be wasting my
time with Internet Explorer, anyway.
- MalwareBytes is not integrated into any of my web browsers. Though
installed, it's real-time features were disabled when it was in the
forced trial period and they would've gone away after the trial. I
only use MBAM as a secondary on-demand scanner.
- Don't need reminders about subscriptions that I don't have.

5.43.6522
- Why would I need privacy options for analytics "features" added? Add
the "feature" and then allow to opt-out of it. Dumb ****s. This is
part of Avast's adware platform code they stick into their products.
It wasn't there before Avast got at Piriform.

5.43.6520
- Still using Win7 at home. Don't care about CCleaner causing font
caching problems in Win10 - but users here might. Font caching
clearing is disabled, by default, in 5.40. I didn't disable it. The
product came that way. So Avast would've had to enable this option
only to find out it causes problems to then default to opt-out in a
later version.
- I need a preference on what detail level to show when cleaning? When
I click the Analyze button, it shows what it will delete. Are there
now more details than those?

5.42.6499
- Never had CCleaner's cleanup of Google Chrome result in losing my user
profile for that web browser.
- I use the standard decimal separators, so no worry about that crashing
Google Chrome or losing my profile.

5.42.6495
- While CCleaner has options to cleanup IE, I've learned long ago to add
cleanup locations to the Include list that CCleaner missed. It was a
long time ago when I reported the omissions (2014 for DOM Storage) but
they never showed up over years after asking, so I had to add them
myself. Some folks learned how to use the ccleaner.ini and
winapp2.ini files to customize CCleaner. I found the files or folders
involved with IE to add them to the Include list of what to delete.
IE was easy since you can delete files and folders for DOM storage.
Other web browsers use sqlite databases, so I could get CCleaner to
purge their DOM storage, and after 4 years CCleaner doesn't delete DOM
storage in Firefox or Google Chrome (which would require issuing SQL
commands to purge records and then compact the database).
- I don't need Youtube history purged by CCleaner because I'm never
logged in when I visit youtube.com.
- I don't need highlighting when searching for cookies in CCleaner. I
don't keep ANY cookies! My web browsers are configured to purge their
cookies on exit and I use CCleaner to make sure ALL those cookies got
deleted. When deleting ALL, I don't need to search for any.
- Oh gee, where appropriate, CCleaner will "suggest" how to improve my
antivirus protection. Yep, that's part of Avast's adware platform.
- Overlapping text in the Pro installer was never a problem for me since
I only used the free edition.

5.41.6446
- UI changes were unimportant. Move some text around, add some, change
layout. Yeah, same trick Microsoft tries to use to convince users
that, oh yes, it just must be a new version because of UI changes.
- More Windows 10 cookie fixups unimportant to me but perhaps to Win10
users. I suspect someone pointed to the registry entries that
CCleaner missed as an RFE (request for enhancement).
- Don't need Estonian language support.
- Changed the UI rendering engine. That's underlying technology that is
unimportant to the user. It was needed to implement the UI fluff
changes. I'm interested in what the product does, not what it uses to
paint a new face. More info at https://sciter.com/. Yep, let's
emulate the Win10 UI that has, since Win7, made it more difficult to
differentiate where windows start and end when they overlap or just
where are the edge of the elements within a window.

5.40.6411
- That's the one that I'll stick with for another year, or more, unless
I happen to move to Win10 as my home PC. I'll check if Avast is still
as unruly then as they exhibited themself so far. I might test the
portable version before then to see if it is polite.

Wolf K wrote:

Paul wrote:

Shoe wrote:

I thought that Windows included the ability to perform many of the
cleanup functions performed by CCleaner. I've been trying to find this
and have no luck. Anyone know if this exists and how to access it?

W7/W8/W10 have a copy of cleanmgr.exe .

Control Panel - Administrative Tools - "Defragment and optimize drives"
and "Disk cleanup".

There are multiple navigation paths through the wizards to get to the
Disk Cleanup tool and those paths vary in different versions of Windows.
You can just enter "disk cleanup" in the Start menu's search box.
Whatever wizard navigation you use or by searching in the Start menu
search box, what you get is cleanmgr.exe (check the Processes tab in
Task Manager) which you can also run from a command line.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ool-in-windows

Use sageset to create a definition. Later use sagerun when starting
cleanmgr.exe from a command line. You could, for example, schedule an
event in Task Manager or create a shortcut that runs the command
"cleanmgr /sagerun:0" (I used 11 only because that's what they used in
the example in the MS article). When you use sageset, the GUI dialog is
presented for you to pick what to clean. After making your selections,
clicking Okay just exits cleanmgr since you are just creating the
registry template (for sagerun). Later when you use sagerun, you
immediately go into the dialog showing cleanup is occurring.

VanguardLH wrote:
- Yep, that's the chars that winston uses in an ISO defined 'From'
header despite none of the chars in his nym are outside of ASCII7The server for some reason rejected text format, changing it to html succeeded.
https://forum.piriform.com/topic/513...ies-for-avast/
See Stephen Piriform's response (2nd one in thread).
- 12 other people on the staff use the same surname g

If the cookie got deleted by the unload of CCleaner then how would Avast
know what prior offers they spewed at you? In fact, Stephen says if the
cookie were deleted then you get splattered with old and new ads, not
just new[er] ads. He says the Avast tracking cookies have been added to
CCleaner's whitelist by default. Well, if true, users should be able to
go into the cookie whitelist and delete the Avast one.

You're not following along. No one stated the 'cookie got deleted by the
***unload*** of CCleaner'.
Repeat - the user can delete the Avast cookie by running CCleaner or
deleting the cookie manually(via the Cookie screen option).
Even after deleting the cookie no ads appear in 5.45.6611.
It's clear that the Avast cookie is white-listed - I confirmed that in my
prior response - the cookie is recreated the next time CCleaner is opened.
Thus it is true, users can delete the cookie, it will, though, reappear.

Then Avast added their adware platform to CCleaner, so it advertizes
Avast products when you use CCleaner.

Version 5.45.6611 - no Avast ads when running/using the program on Win7,
Win10
- Note: 6611 is not currently available to download(the same above applies
to 6475)

Unclear why 5.45.6611(aka 5.45.190.6611) is not available atm. I downloaded
it and installed on Win7/Win10 on July 25th. The version history page shows
5.44.6575(26 June 2018) as the latest. Downloading, today, yields the
same(6575) version. The CCleaner forums have discussion on 6611 including
the release announcement.
https://forum.piriform.com/topic/522...aner-v5456611/


I've done 3 CCleaner 5.40.1165 installs since reverting back to the 5.40
version. I've not seen the Avast AV bundled offer in the installer's
screen.
I've yet to see it(Avast ads), but I traditionally use the slim installer
version and install on top of the old. Note: The slim version usually is
available within a week of the full installer version. As a test, I've
opened and close 6611 a dozen times on multiple devices(Win7/10 all 64-bit)
in the last few days and so far no ads(Note: As previously mentioned no
CCleaner task present in Task Scheduler).

https://forum.piriform.com/topic/492...ree-antivirus/

Stephen suggests paying $20, get the slim installer (that became
available later), or use the portable version. It's been 8 months since
his post yet https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner/download doesn't list a
slim installer (or a portable version, either). I had to do an online
search (Google, in this case) on "ccleaner portable" to find the hidden
"builds" page (https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner/builds) at Piriform.
Also found the slim installer there. Says "no toolbar". Geez, Avast
polluted CCleaner with a toolbar or tries to install a web browser
add-on for some toolbar?

I keep two links for updating CCleaner - the Version page and the Builds.
- those links on my systems are dated Oct 2015. Sometime last year
Piriform removed the link to the 'Builds' page from their associated web pages.
I guess quite a few didn't notice that change or failed to bookmark prior
to removal necessitating(now) a search to find it.

https://forum.piriform.com/topic/311...lbar-not-cool/
https://techdows.com/2013/05/whats-t...-versions.html

Oh goody, not only tracking cookies (which are whitelisted so they
survive across CCleaner sessions) along with adding code for an adware
platform within CCleaner, Avast wants to corrupt your web browser config
with Google's Toolbar...snip
Old news - no comment or response necessary

Also, of note....the CCleaner Active Monitoring reset option is controlled
by a Task Scheduler item - remove the scheduled item and Monitoring will
remain off until the next program install.

I thought the monitor was part of only the payware version.

Not true.
CCleaner(free) - Open CCleaner/Options tab/Monitoring/
- System Monitoring and Active Monitoring are selection-able
items(On/Enable or Off/Disabled).
- See my comments on Task Scheduler to prevent 'On' mode(i.e. remove the task)
Fyi - Active Monitoring also ensures CCleaner version is up to date.


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....w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

Repeat - the user can delete the Avast cookie by running CCleaner or
deleting the cookie manually(via the Cookie screen option).

Using CCleaner to delete the cookie is useless because the cookie is of
no value outside of CCleaner. CCleaner creates the cookie when you run
it. Cookies have to be used by something, and that would be CCleaner.
The tool used to purge the cookies is the one creating the cookie.

So, now the tool is a cookie cleaner that will delete the tracking
cookie (but which is valueless outside of the tool, anyway) but forces
the creation of the cookie each time the tool is used and during which
the cookie has value (to Avast). When the cookie's value is within
scope, it is guaranteed to exist. It's an uber-cookie.

Even after deleting the cookie no ads appear in 5.45.6611.

That's not what Stephen Piriform said. Plus, as I have noted, it is at
the discretion of Avast just when they decide to push ads. That occurs
mostly when someone at Avast decides to start a marketing campaign.
They decide when you see their ads, not you.

It's clear that the Avast cookie is white-listed - I confirmed that in my
prior response - the cookie is recreated the next time CCleaner is opened.
Thus it is true, users can delete the cookie, it will, though, reappear.

Is the cookie in the whitelist that you can edit? If so, you could
delete that entry to make CCleaner delete the cookie but it is a
worthless effort. Outside of CCleaner the cookie has no value. The
program recreates the cookie, if absent, so the cookie will always be
present when you run the program. When the cookie has value (is in
scope) then it guaranteed to exist.

Version 5.45.6611 - no Avast ads when running/using the program on Win7,
Win10
- Note: 6611 is not currently available to download(the same above applies
to 6475)

You keep saying that in contradiction to what the product owner, Stephen
Piriform, has declared. Are you stating in your experience that you
have not seen ads? Or are you claiming CCleaner never presents ads
despite others that have stated otherwise?

The absense of the cookie does not eliminate the ads, only what ads
might be presented. Per Stephen Piriform, the cookie eliminates seeing
"old" ads (but then a new promo on the same offer wouldn't be old
anymore). The absense or presence of the cookie doesn't change CCleaner
has been subourned to act as an adware platform for Avast, and they do
use it.

When not in silent mode in free Avast AV, I do not see ads all the time.
I see ads when Avast starts a marketing campaign. The ads don't repeat
at regular intervals but they can last a couple months.

Unclear why 5.45.6611(aka 5.45.190.6611) is not available atm. I downloaded
it and installed on Win7/Win10 on July 25th. The version history page shows
5.44.6575(26 June 2018) as the latest. Downloading, today, yields the
same(6575) version. The CCleaner forums have discussion on 6611 including
the release announcement.
https://forum.piriform.com/topic/522...aner-v5456611/

Nothing there about removing the ads, or stop forcing the creation of
the cookie upon loading CCleaner (when exists the scope for the cookie).

However, that does forum post does mention the following:

Reporting
CCleaner now sends a heartbeat every 12 hours which reports up-to-date
usage statistics to allow for faster delivery of bug fixes and product
improvements

Is that something that can be disabled? Or is it something else that is
forced on the users, like the cookie?

I've yet to see it(Avast ads), but I traditionally use the slim installer
version and install on top of the old. Note: The slim version usually is
available within a week of the full installer version.

One, the slim download page is not a navigable page. That is, you
cannot get to it from the Downloads page or any other page presented by
their web server. Users have to do online searches to find that page.
Two, the use of a specialty or stripped installer is not what the
typical user will know about. It is an installer known only to a small
number of users.

I keep two links for updating CCleaner - the Version page and the Builds.
- those links on my systems are dated Oct 2015. Sometime last year
Piriform removed the link to the 'Builds' page from their associated web pages.
I guess quite a few didn't notice that change or failed to bookmark prior
to removal necessitating(now) a search to find it.

The slim and portable installers are on a page that cannot be found by
navigating from other pages presented by their web server. You have to
"discover" that page. You cannot discover something unless you go
looking for it. That page is hidden to those that don't know it exists,
and only to those that have been informed would be spurred to seek.

Note the following comment on the builds page:

Builds below are for system admins and advanced users. They are not
for distribution or mirroring.

Because that page is not discoverable by navigating their web site, the
vast majority of CCleaner users won't know about the slim and portable
builds. You won't find the slim and portable builds on their Download
page nor at any download site. That in itself precludes most users from
ever knowing about those builds.

I didn't know about the forced tracking cookie until I happened upon a
discussion about it. I didn't know about Avast's acquisition of
Piriform until I happened upon an article about it since Piriform wasn't
making it obvious at their web site. I did not see an install-time
option to install Avast AV probably because I already have Avast AV, but
others commented on the newly bundled Avast installer (of course, after
Avast's acquisition). I personally, like you, have not seen any ads in
CCleaner but I am not quite ready to denounce all others noting the
experience as liars. I have seen Avast use their other products as
adware platforms. Hell, I didn't know about the 12-hour "heartbeat"
telemetrics tracking until you mentioned the forum post with release
notes citing that new, um, feature.

In response to my "I thought the monitor was part of only the payware
version.
Not true.
CCleaner(free) - Open CCleaner/Options tab/Monitoring/
- System Monitoring and Active Monitoring are selection-able
items(On/Enable or Off/Disabled).

http://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner

According to Piriform, real-time monitoring requires paying for it.
However, there is a monitoring feature in the free version. To me, it
nags before cleaning is really needed. The option to decide at what
threshold to nag is available only in the payware version.

Piriform says real-time monitoring costs money. So what is the
difference between real-time monitoring and system/active monitoring?
Is it just the system monitor's threshold and browsing monitor? That
is, seems the chart is inaccurate and the freeware does have some
monitoring (system but not browser) but no threshold config.

As for Active Monitoring regarding updates:

https://www.ccleaner.com/docs/cclean...-ccleaner-free
"Active Monitoring allows CCleaner Free to monitor your installation in
the background, for any updates or new releases, so you don't have to
worry about keeping up-to-date."
"[After disabling this option] CCleaner will no longer appear in your
system tray after closing."

I've never had that option enabled. Yet I will see in the lower
right-hand corner of CCleaner's window a notice that there is a new
update when available. That's due to the Options - Settings - "Inform
me of updates to CCleaner" option. With the addition of a forced
tracking cookie, the adware platform, and now the telemetrics tracking,
I disabled that option since I won't be moving to a later and polluted
version of CCleaner. I may later investigate the slim and portable
builds; however, Piriform doesn't explicitly state those don't force a
tracking cookie, don't have Avast's adware platform, and don't track my
usage of CCleaner via telemetrics, and I'm not sure that I really want
to dig that far into the product to make sure all the Avast **** was
omitted.

So what does Active Monitoring do in addition to showing a notice about
the availability of a new update? Does it run a background process all
the time to shove a popup in your face even when you are not using
CCleaner? Does it install the update?

I wouldn't want every program to run a checker running in the background
that displays a popup telling me there is a new update. That would be a
nuisance and interfere with me using my computer. When I run CCleaner,
it tells me if there is an update. I don't see the advantage to wasting
memory and CPU cycles on the Active Monitor. However, some users like
more fluff even if it interrupts their computer use.

- See my comments on Task Scheduler to prevent 'On' mode(i.e. remove
the task)

Along with your statement "Monitoring will remain off until the next
program install." At install time, there is no prompt or customize
screen to let the user retain their current config of CCleaner? If the
user turned the option off, it should still be off when installing atop
of (upgrading) an existing installation. Many software has tons of
options. It would be extremely rude for an update to wipe out all those
settings to force a default setup.

Fyi - Active Monitoring also ensures CCleaner version is up
to date.

Seems all that might do is shove a popup alert in your face while you
are doing something other than using CCleaner. I've used other similar
apps like that before. Avast has their Software Updater module. I've
also tried Secunia PSI and perhaps a couple other software update
checkers. I find them nagware. They interfere with the current use of
my computer presenting a professed immediate need to commit what turns
out to be non-critical actions.

When I *use* CCleaner, it already informs me if an update is available
(well, it will if I leave enabled the "Inform me of updates to CCleaner"
option). I don't need to waste memory and CPU cycles on a process to
present a tray icon to shove alerts in my face, especially when I am not
using CCleaner.

In the freeware version, the System Monitor is a nag, especially with no
threshold setting and even more so because CCleaner can be scheduled to
eliminate any need for nagging. The Active Monitor (a fancy name for an
update checker) is also a nag. The Browser Monitor is only in the
payware versions.

On 15/08/2018 20:56, VanguardLH wrote:
Paul wrote:

Shoe wrote:
I thought that Windows included the ability to perform many of the
cleanup functions performed by CCleaner. I've been trying to find this
and have no luck. Anyone know if this exists and how to access it?

W7/W8/W10 have a copy of cleanmgr.exe .

Be careful with it. There is one tick box in it
that threatens to delete all the files in your
Download folder!

It's not the same thing as CCleaner, as it's not
focused on applications. It's focused on the "system".
Like, clean the TEMP folder, clean some Windows Update
or Upgrade things, clean stuff that didn't belong
in the first place, clean Windows Defender update files.
Those sorts of things.

The makers of CCleaner are pretty safe. Microsoft
is not competing with them.

And watch out for that Download tick box in any case.

When I use cleanmgr.exe , one of the first things
I do is clear all the tick boxes. And then I read
each item, and only tick it, if it "isn't a trap".

Paul

As for Piriform's CCLeaner, Piriform was acquired by Avast. In their
free products, Avast has turned into adware platforms. They did the
same to CCleaner after Avast got their greedy hands on Piriform.
There's nothing of Piriform that is a security or anti-malware product.
Avast acquired Piriform because they wanted a larger audience to which
they could advertize their products.

The last clean version of CCleaner is 5.40. After that, Avast made a
change to add a tracking cookie. CCleaner will list the cookie file but
won't delete it. Then Avast added their adware platform to CCleaner, so
it advertizes Avast products when you use CCleaner. Avast also bundled
their anti-virus with the CCleaner's installer.

I use CCleaner but have stayed with version 5.40. The changes they
announced with newer versions are fluff but they need those changes tp
promote a new version to lure users to upgrade, so Avast could get more
users to install free Avast anti-virus (with its adware platform) and
track them with the cookie. I also use Avast anti-virus free but
configured it for silent mode. That means I don't get notifications
about updates to the program (signature updates are still automatic) but
I also don't get nuisanced with popups when Avast decides to engage in
yet another marketing campaign trying to lure their freeloaders to buy
from Avast. Besides being an adware platform (that can be silenced),
Avast anti-virus already comes with lureware components trying to lure
the freeloaders to buy from Avast. When *I* decide it is time to check
for program updates, I save an image backup and then *I* go check for
program updates. I don't want software nuisancing me with announcements
of new versions which are not applicable to my use (nothing in the
changes nullifies the working version that I already have). I'll decide
when to update, not them.

If I didn't still have the installer for CCleaner 5.40 (or could not
find it elsewhere from a trusted source), I would've dumped CCleaner.
If I couldn't silence Avast's adware platform in their free anti-virus
product, I would dump that, too. I did try other free AVs, like
Bitdefender but that was a lot slower (more impact to the responsiveness
of my computer).

Have you tried Kaspersky Free (currently v19.0.0.1.1008)? If you decided
against it, I'd be interested to know why.





The only components of Avast AV that I install a
file shield, web shield, behavior shield. The rest are superfluous to
bloat their feature set (e.g., mail shield) or are baitware.

I liked CCleaner right up until Avast poked their greedy fingers into
its installer and program code. The old 5.40 version works just fine
without bundling an AV into the installer or converting the program into
an adware platform.

I use both the Windows' Disk Cleanup wizard (cleanmgr.exe) and CCleaner
(the old 5.40 version) and even have them as scheduled events in Task
Scheduler. cleanmgr can be ran without a user prompt by creating a
definition that is used to later run the cleanup. Do an online search
on "cleanmgr sageset sagerun" for the command line to create the
definition and how to run the definition. Ccleaner can be ran from the
command line using "ccleaner.exe /auto".

On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 19:12:41 +0200, occam wrote:

On 15/08/2018 20:56, VanguardLH wrote:

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The only components of Avast AV that I install a
file shield, web shield, behavior shield. The rest are superfluous to
bloat their feature set (e.g., mail shield) or are baitware.

I liked CCleaner right up until Avast poked their greedy fingers into
its installer and program code. The old 5.40 version works just fine
without bundling an AV into the installer or converting the program into
an adware platform.

I use both the Windows' Disk Cleanup wizard (cleanmgr.exe) and CCleaner
(the old 5.40 version) and even have them as scheduled events in Task
Scheduler. cleanmgr can be ran without a user prompt by creating a
definition that is used to later run the cleanup. Do an online search
on "cleanmgr sageset sagerun" for the command line to create the
definition and how to run the definition. Ccleaner can be ran from the
command line using "ccleaner.exe /auto".

And this sort of thing is why I still read Usenet.

Thank you.
Mand.

occam wrote:

Have you tried Kaspersky Free (currently v19.0.0.1.1008)? If you decided
against it, I'd be interested to know why.

I cannot find any information from Kaspersky on how their free product
manages to interrogate HTTPS traffic. Sites have been moving to HTTPS
even when there is no login or other user data to secure. They use it
to make sure you arrived where you thought you went (i.e., site
identification). With a means of interrogating the HTTPS web traffic,
any "site protection" is becoming of little value for the remaining
HTTP-only sites.

https://help.kaspersky.com/KFA/2018/en-US/97185.htm

Says nothing about interrogating HTTPS traffic. If that's the scope of
online help for Kaspersky, it's dismal. The two largest infection
vectors are e-mail and web traffic. From what I've seen about the free
version of Kaspersky, it emulates Bitdefender Free: almost no user
configurability. Some users claim the free version of Kaspersky is the
same as their paid version. Nope, not according to Kaspersky; see:

https://usa.kaspersky.com/free-antivirus
(comparison table at the end of the page)

Seems the biggie that is missing is Advanced Protection. I don't want a
product that is great at handling infections after they occur. I want
something that is great at preventing the infections in the first place.

Kaspersky Free has been around only since July 25, 2017. Although other
AVs were offering free versions for many years before then, I don't know
what made Kaspersky finally cave to offer a free version. They weren't
free for a long time despite not outperforming the competitors with free
versions.

Then there's the "Russian scare" about where Kaspersky is headquarted
along with it being banned by civilian and military agencies of the USA.
They declared they would submit their source code for review but I've
yet to see anyone announcing the results of a code review. The NSA's
complaint was files that matched on a signature, whether true or false,
get sent to Kaspersky's cloud for further analysis. Avast has cloud
analysis, too, but it can be disabled. Kaspersky could and has acquired
files that were flagged as malicious or just suspect. So, a code review
wouldn't alter Kaspersky's behavior. The code is doing what it was
designed to do. The EU (Netherlands) is phasing out Kaspersky, too.

https://www.extremetech.com/internet...d-as-malicious
"Last year, evidence surfaced of a connection between Kaspersky and
Russian intelligence, after Israel revealed it had been the one to
detect Russian agents searching US computers and assets for keywords and
code names in real time. Those searches were possible because of
Kaspersky products installed on the machines in question."

Avast, even in its free version, has a URL filtering block. I can enter
hostnames, domains, and even wildcarded strings to get them blocked on
outbound connection requests.

Kaspersky? Nah, no thanks.