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  #16  
Old February 9th 19, 11:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Andy Burns[_6_]
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Default Task manager includes memory card in disk usage

Commander Kinsey wrote:

On this machine, removable disks such as USB flash drives and SD or TF
cards do not show in task manager.


It does for me, and I'd like to remove this one from the list:


I think you can only turn them all on, or all off with

diskperf -Y or diskperf -N




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Old February 9th 19, 11:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Commander Kinsey
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Default Task manager includes memory card in disk usage

On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 21:57:26 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 21:36:30 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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My Windows 10 task manager shows the disk usage of C: (the system hard
disk) and E: (a memory card socket). This is quite annoying as the total
disk usage shows 50% when the hard disk is fully utilised, because it's
including the empty memory card socket. Any way of stopping it
including
the memory card socket in the calculation?

See if this doesn't help.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...storage-spaces

If you've made a pool for storage space, this may be causing what you're
seeing in Task Manager.


I have no pools. Just a standard 1TB rotary hard disk and a camera card
reader.


Alright then... Are you referencing 'space used' or 'performance'


Task manager calls it "active time" in the performance tab. In the processes tab (where it's annoying me), it's just a %.
  #18  
Old February 9th 19, 11:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Commander Kinsey
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Default Task manager includes memory card in disk usage

On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 22:01:18 -0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Sorry, that's what I called it, the task manager says "active time".


if you put an SD card in the slot, and then in File Explorer right click
the drive letter, do you get an "Eject" option for it, or does it seem
to think it's a non-removable device?


Yes, I get the eject option.
  #19  
Old February 9th 19, 11:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Commander Kinsey
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Default Task manager includes memory card in disk usage

On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 22:06:18 -0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

On this machine, removable disks such as USB flash drives and SD or TF
cards do not show in task manager.


It does for me, and I'd like to remove this one from the list:


I think you can only turn them all on, or all off with

diskperf -Y or diskperf -N


This would turn off monitoring of C: aswell?

There must be another way - if you're not seeing your card reader and I am, there must be a setting we have different.
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Old February 9th 19, 11:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Andy Burns[_6_]
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Default Task manager includes memory card in disk usage

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

diskperf -Y or diskperf -N


This would turn off monitoring of C: as well?


Unfortunately, yes

There must be another way - if you're not seeing your card reader and I
am, there must be a setting we have different.


I was hoping you'd say you got no "eject" and then maybe something could
be done to persuade it that it was removable and should be hidden.
  #21  
Old February 9th 19, 11:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Commander Kinsey
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Default Task manager includes memory card in disk usage

On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 22:22:41 -0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

diskperf -Y or diskperf -N


This would turn off monitoring of C: as well?


Unfortunately, yes

There must be another way - if you're not seeing your card reader and I
am, there must be a setting we have different.


I was hoping you'd say you got no "eject" and then maybe something could
be done to persuade it that it was removable and should be hidden.


I can hide it in windows explorer, but task manager doesn't seem to have many options. Not on the menus anyway, unless there's a hidden command like diskperf that's more specific? Something is different between our setups, but I'm not sure how to find out what it is. Oh well, I'll just continue to remember 50% means 100% :-) I guess it's easier than when I had two real hard disks, then I never knew if one was maxed out. 50% could mean they're both half in use, or it could mean one's a bottleneck. Of course the real answer is to throw money at it and upgrade to an SSD, they are becoming very cheap nowadays.
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Old February 10th 19, 12:12 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 21:57:26 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 21:36:30 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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My Windows 10 task manager shows the disk usage of C: (the system hard
disk) and E: (a memory card socket). This is quite annoying as the
total
disk usage shows 50% when the hard disk is fully utilised, because
it's
including the empty memory card socket. Any way of stopping it
including
the memory card socket in the calculation?

See if this doesn't help.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...storage-spaces

If you've made a pool for storage space, this may be causing what
you're
seeing in Task Manager.

I have no pools. Just a standard 1TB rotary hard disk and a camera card
reader.


Alright then... Are you referencing 'space used' or 'performance'


Task manager calls it "active time" in the performance tab. In the
processes tab (where it's annoying me), it's just a %.


In Task Manager, under the Process tab where you are seeing x% usage, which
processes are being used? You can click on the column label % and it will
then show the most used processes at that time at the top.

You do realize that the Performance Active time is not the same as the
percentage of time the disk is being used by a Process.

To get a better visualization, look at the Memory process column and you
will see how much memory is being used by each process. If you were to run
a disk utility and view it under Performance, you would see the percentage
of time the disk is being used.

Also, the SDHC card should not be showing in the Performance tab. If it is,
then possibly something under "Storage Sense" where the SDHC card (and all
drives show) and look at "More storage Settings" Change where content is
saved.

Anything in any of the categories show anything but "This PC (C"


--
Bob S.

  #23  
Old February 10th 19, 01:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Commander Kinsey
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Default Task manager includes memory card in disk usage

On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 23:12:17 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news

On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 21:57:26 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 21:36:30 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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My Windows 10 task manager shows the disk usage of C: (the system hard
disk) and E: (a memory card socket). This is quite annoying as the
total
disk usage shows 50% when the hard disk is fully utilised, because
it's
including the empty memory card socket. Any way of stopping it
including
the memory card socket in the calculation?

See if this doesn't help.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...storage-spaces

If you've made a pool for storage space, this may be causing what
you're
seeing in Task Manager.

I have no pools. Just a standard 1TB rotary hard disk and a camera card
reader.

Alright then... Are you referencing 'space used' or 'performance'


Task manager calls it "active time" in the performance tab. In the
processes tab (where it's annoying me), it's just a %.


In Task Manager, under the Process tab where you are seeing x% usage, which
processes are being used? You can click on the column label % and it will
then show the most used processes at that time at the top.


Yes I know I can sort them by most used.

You do realize that the Performance Active time is not the same as the
percentage of time the disk is being used by a Process.


The % listed at the top of the disk column in the processes tab is identical to the active time % on the performance tab.

To get a better visualization, look at the Memory process column and you
will see how much memory is being used by each process. If you were to run
a disk utility and view it under Performance, you would see the percentage
of time the disk is being used.

Also, the SDHC card should not be showing in the Performance tab.


Agreed, but it's there and I'd like rid of it.

If it is, then possibly something under "Storage Sense" where the SDHC card (and all
drives show) and look at "More storage Settings" Change where content is
saved.

Anything in any of the categories show anything but "This PC (C"


I'm not familiar with storage sense, please go into more detail.
  #24  
Old February 10th 19, 01:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Task manager includes memory card in disk usage

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 23:12:17 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news

On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 21:57:26 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 21:36:30 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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My Windows 10 task manager shows the disk usage of C: (the system
hard
disk) and E: (a memory card socket). This is quite annoying as the
total
disk usage shows 50% when the hard disk is fully utilised, because
it's
including the empty memory card socket. Any way of stopping it
including
the memory card socket in the calculation?

See if this doesn't help.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...storage-spaces

If you've made a pool for storage space, this may be causing what
you're
seeing in Task Manager.

I have no pools. Just a standard 1TB rotary hard disk and a camera
card
reader.

Alright then... Are you referencing 'space used' or 'performance'

Task manager calls it "active time" in the performance tab. In the
processes tab (where it's annoying me), it's just a %.


In Task Manager, under the Process tab where you are seeing x% usage,
which
processes are being used? You can click on the column label % and it
will
then show the most used processes at that time at the top.


Yes I know I can sort them by most used.

You do realize that the Performance Active time is not the same as the
percentage of time the disk is being used by a Process.


The % listed at the top of the disk column in the processes tab is
identical to the active time % on the performance tab.

To get a better visualization, look at the Memory process column and you
will see how much memory is being used by each process. If you were to
run
a disk utility and view it under Performance, you would see the
percentage
of time the disk is being used.

Also, the SDHC card should not be showing in the Performance tab.


Agreed, but it's there and I'd like rid of it.

If it is, then possibly something under "Storage Sense" where the SDHC
card (and all
drives show) and look at "More storage Settings" Change where content
is
saved.

Anything in any of the categories show anything but "This PC (C"


I'm not familiar with storage sense, please go into more detail.


Did you look where I referenced to see if the SDHC is being used?

For Storage Sense details - here's one reference:

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...18/08/30/9205/

--
Bob S.

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Old February 10th 19, 02:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Commander Kinsey
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Default Task manager includes memory card in disk usage

On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 00:56:59 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news

On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 23:12:17 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 21:57:26 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 21:36:30 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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My Windows 10 task manager shows the disk usage of C: (the system
hard
disk) and E: (a memory card socket). This is quite annoying as the
total
disk usage shows 50% when the hard disk is fully utilised, because
it's
including the empty memory card socket. Any way of stopping it
including
the memory card socket in the calculation?

See if this doesn't help.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...storage-spaces

If you've made a pool for storage space, this may be causing what
you're
seeing in Task Manager.

I have no pools. Just a standard 1TB rotary hard disk and a camera
card
reader.

Alright then... Are you referencing 'space used' or 'performance'

Task manager calls it "active time" in the performance tab. In the
processes tab (where it's annoying me), it's just a %.

In Task Manager, under the Process tab where you are seeing x% usage,
which
processes are being used? You can click on the column label % and it
will
then show the most used processes at that time at the top.


Yes I know I can sort them by most used.

You do realize that the Performance Active time is not the same as the
percentage of time the disk is being used by a Process.


The % listed at the top of the disk column in the processes tab is
identical to the active time % on the performance tab.

To get a better visualization, look at the Memory process column and you
will see how much memory is being used by each process. If you were to
run
a disk utility and view it under Performance, you would see the
percentage
of time the disk is being used.

Also, the SDHC card should not be showing in the Performance tab.


Agreed, but it's there and I'd like rid of it.

If it is, then possibly something under "Storage Sense" where the SDHC
card (and all
drives show) and look at "More storage Settings" Change where content
is
saved.

Anything in any of the categories show anything but "This PC (C"


I'm not familiar with storage sense, please go into more detail.


Did you look where I referenced to see if the SDHC is being used?

For Storage Sense details - here's one reference:

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...18/08/30/9205/


I don't know what you want me to look at. Under storage sense, more storage settings, change where content is saved, everything is listed as C:, not the SDHC card.

And I don't understand what storage sense has to do with the task manager.
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Old February 10th 19, 03:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Sjouke Burry[_2_]
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Default Task manager includes memory card in disk usage

On 9-2-2019 20:38, Commander Kinsey wrote:
My Windows 10 task manager shows the disk usage of C: (the system hard disk) and E: (a memory card socket). This is quite annoying as the total disk usage shows 50% when the hard disk is fully utilised, because it's including the empty memory card socket. Any way of stopping it including the memory card socket in the calculation?

Yep. Take the card out.
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Old February 10th 19, 04:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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snip....


For Storage Sense details - here's one reference:

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...18/08/30/9205/


I don't know what you want me to look at. Under storage sense, more
storage settings, change where content is saved, everything is listed as
C:, not the SDHC card.

And I don't understand what storage sense has to do with the task manager.


As others have also said, that SDHC card should not be showing up under Task
Manager unless it is somehow made part of the storage pools, or storage
places used in Win10.

So if it is - why?

You said it does not show as one of the Content Saved locations, so that
rules it out. I can't duplicate what you're seeing so I'm at a loss. Guess
Google will have to sort this one out.

--
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  #28  
Old February 10th 19, 05:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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Default Task manager includes memory card in disk usage

On 02/09/2019 8:50 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote:
On 9-2-2019 20:38, Commander Kinsey wrote:
My Windows 10 task manager shows the disk usage of C: (the system hard
disk) and E: (a memory card socket). This is quite annoying as the
total disk usage shows 50% when the hard disk is fully utilised,
because it's including the empty memory card socket.Â* Any way of
stopping it including the memory card socket in the calculation?

Yep. Take the card out.


He did say "empty memory card socket"

Rene

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Old February 10th 19, 06:39 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Task manager includes memory card in disk usage

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 00:56:59 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news

On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 23:12:17 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 21:57:26 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 21:36:30 -0000, n/a wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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My Windows 10 task manager shows the disk usage of C: (the system
hard
disk) and E: (a memory card socket). This is quite annoying as the
total
disk usage shows 50% when the hard disk is fully utilised, because
it's
including the empty memory card socket. Any way of stopping it
including
the memory card socket in the calculation?

See if this doesn't help.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...storage-spaces


If you've made a pool for storage space, this may be causing what
you're
seeing in Task Manager.

I have no pools. Just a standard 1TB rotary hard disk and a camera
card
reader.

Alright then... Are you referencing 'space used' or 'performance'

Task manager calls it "active time" in the performance tab. In the
processes tab (where it's annoying me), it's just a %.

In Task Manager, under the Process tab where you are seeing x% usage,
which
processes are being used? You can click on the column label % and it
will
then show the most used processes at that time at the top.

Yes I know I can sort them by most used.

You do realize that the Performance Active time is not the same as the
percentage of time the disk is being used by a Process.

The % listed at the top of the disk column in the processes tab is
identical to the active time % on the performance tab.

To get a better visualization, look at the Memory process column and
you
will see how much memory is being used by each process. If you were to
run
a disk utility and view it under Performance, you would see the
percentage
of time the disk is being used.

Also, the SDHC card should not be showing in the Performance tab.

Agreed, but it's there and I'd like rid of it.

If it is, then possibly something under "Storage Sense" where the SDHC
card (and all
drives show) and look at "More storage Settings" Change where content
is
saved.

Anything in any of the categories show anything but "This PC (C"

I'm not familiar with storage sense, please go into more detail.


Did you look where I referenced to see if the SDHC is being used?

For Storage Sense details - here's one reference:

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...18/08/30/9205/


I don't know what you want me to look at. Under storage sense, more
storage settings, change where content is saved, everything is listed as
C:, not the SDHC card.

And I don't understand what storage sense has to do with the task manager.


These are my results. My SD reader is a USB device with slots for SD
type only. It's a USB2 device, not a newer USB3 device.

The second picture shows a 512GB SSD on the end of a USB3 cable,
which makes it a "portable" device, but I suspect it also
has a "fixed disk" kind of status, which could be why it shows in
Task Manager.

https://i.postimg.cc/Yq1B77TB/SD-reader-empty.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/rmv76ZJp/SD-rea...SD-on-USB3.gif

I've made no attempt to capture benchmarks in there. Using
HDTune, each device achieves 85-90% of its graph while
HDTune benches the device. Since the SD is not shown in Task Manager,
we can't tell from there how it's doing. HDTune says my SD card
is doing 18MB/sec on read. It should do around 10MB/sec on write,
but I don't plan on upsetting the contents (as the SD belongs
to my digital camera).

Since the last release or two of Windows 10, there is a slight
amount of error in the HDTune bench, so some sort of temporal
issue exists for software. If I really want to bench the devices,
I'd be better off booting some other OS.

A user can use "perfmon.msc" to chart performance counters,
and there is a "disk read bytes per second" and a "disk write
bytes per second" in there, if you need to see performance.

No matter what utilities you happen to use on your Windows
system, stuff can refuse to be counted, or can be double-counted,
depending on circumstances. The performance counter system
is not without its selection of "corner cases".

The behavior of USB devices, can be affected by the RMB bit,
and there are USB keys with RMB set or RMB cleared for sale.
The Uwe Sieber web site has information on the side-effects
of these design choices. The industry seems to have "shifted"
a bit, now that Flash storage devices are getting larger.
Devices in the 16GB-32GB capacity range, are where you might
see the new RMB policy. Initially, I think some Sony flash
devices were doing this.

An SD reader could dabble in these practices too, so expect
to see different behaviors on your new USB3 SD reader versus
your yonks-old USB2 SD reader.

At least for my reader, it stayed off the charts in the
pictures. Only the SSD-on-a-USB3-cable was visible when
expected to be visible. And that's the cable that happens
to not handle power management states and flushing correctly.
You can't win...

Paul
  #30  
Old February 10th 19, 11:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
MikeS[_5_]
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Default Task manager includes memory card in disk usage

On 09/02/2019 22:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 22:22:41 -0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

diskperf -Y or diskperf -N

This would turn off monitoring of C: as well?


Unfortunately, yes

There must be another way - if you're not seeing your card reader and I
am, there must be a setting we have different.


I was hoping you'd say you got no "eject" and then maybe something could
be done to persuade it that it was removable and should be hidden.


I can hide it in windows explorer, but task manager doesn't seem to have
many options.* Not on the menus anyway, unless there's a hidden command
like diskperf that's more specific?* Something is different between our
setups, but I'm not sure how to find out what it is.* Oh well, I'll just
continue to remember 50% means 100% :-)* I guess it's easier than when I
had two real hard disks, then I never knew if one was maxed out.* 50%
could mean they're both half in use, or it could mean one's a
bottleneck.* Of course the real answer is to throw money at it and
upgrade to an SSD, they are becoming very cheap nowadays.

After reading the above posts I now realise that your problem is not
with Task Manager, it is because you have a phantom drive (quite
common). To remove it:
Open a Command Prompt (Admin)
subst x: /d
OR
net use x: /delete
where X: is the drive letter of the phantom drive.

 




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