Build 10031

On 03/08/2015 03:45 PM, Larry Cooper wrote:
All that remains is for Microsoft to deliver on their promise of a
faster cycle of build releases for Insiders, which should mean we will
get to play around with a new build sometime in the coming week.

www.neowin.net

So what dp you guys think? Wipe and reinstall?

I am thinking of the wipe thing to get experience on
installing the next version.

In the last episode of , philo
said:

Main advantage of a Mac is no Windows virus problems

Viruses aren't really a problem on Windows either, and haven't been for
many years now.

The biggest risk on Windows is trojans, which claim to be one thing but
are actually something else, or include bonuses that you don't really
expect. Since these are installed by the user (typically via social
engineering), they're not OS specific except by the design of their
creators.

Until very recently, OSX simply didn't have the market share to be worth
the hassle, but Oracle (for one) has decided to start building a
surprise with Java for OSX if you don't pay attention to the dialogs.

If OSX gains any significant marketshare, expect similar attacks to
start succeeding for the same reason that attacks against Windows work:
Users are idiots and will install and do anything that they're allowed.

--
So you're a feminist. Isn't that cute.

In the last episode of ,
Roderick Stewart said:

On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 05:35:59 -0000, "Malaka"
wrote:

I've heard Macs are made exclusively for designers and photoshopers. Windows
is made for normal people.

Macs are for rich people.
Linux is for clever people.

Clever and rich, based on my recent experience with Ubuntu desktop. It's
currently sucking more resources (CPU and RAM) idle than 3 separate
W8/8.1 installations are using, despite being in active use by a remote
user.

Windows is for everybody else.

For people who actually need to get something done; I've yet to run into
any line-of-business software that didn't run on Windows, but there's
tons that is Windows exclusive. A side effect of Windows owning 90%+ of
the desktop PC market, with an even higher penetration within the
corporate world.

--
So you're a feminist. Isn't that cute.

On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 14:52:42 -0700, DevilsPGD
wrote:

I've heard Macs are made exclusively for designers and photoshopers. Windows
is made for normal people.

Macs are for rich people.
Linux is for clever people.

Clever and rich, based on my recent experience with Ubuntu desktop. It's
currently sucking more resources (CPU and RAM) idle than 3 separate
W8/8.1 installations are using, despite being in active use by a remote
user.

You don't need to be especially clever to use Linux Mint Cinnamon.
I've installed it on a family machine without even telling people what
it was, and everybody manages to find their way around it as if it
were Windows, which in many ways it superficially resembles. If a
complete technophobe can manage to read her emails, and the
grandchildren can find their own way to CBeebies, then I reckon it's
capable of doing what at least 99% of computer users want.

Windows is for everybody else.

For people who actually need to get something done; I've yet to run into
any line-of-business software that didn't run on Windows, but there's
tons that is Windows exclusive. A side effect of Windows owning 90%+ of
the desktop PC market, with an even higher penetration within the
corporate world.

Windows doesn't exactly "own" the PC market. It's numerically dominant
because it's installed by default on the majority of computers you can
buy ready built in shops, and we all know what the average user does
about defaults. Anybody who wants to can install what they like. If
only they knew there was a choice, things might be different.

Rod.

Roderick Stewart wrote on 3/9/2015 8:05 PM:
On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 14:52:42 -0700, DevilsPGD
wrote:

I've heard Macs are made exclusively for designers and photoshopers. Windows
is made for normal people.

Macs are for rich people.
Linux is for clever people.

Clever and rich, based on my recent experience with Ubuntu desktop. It's
currently sucking more resources (CPU and RAM) idle than 3 separate
W8/8.1 installations are using, despite being in active use by a remote
user.

You don't need to be especially clever to use Linux Mint Cinnamon.
I've installed it on a family machine without even telling people what
it was, and everybody manages to find their way around it as if it
were Windows, which in many ways it superficially resembles. If a
complete technophobe can manage to read her emails, and the
grandchildren can find their own way to CBeebies, then I reckon it's
capable of doing what at least 99% of computer users want.

Windows is for everybody else.

For people who actually need to get something done; I've yet to run into
any line-of-business software that didn't run on Windows, but there's
tons that is Windows exclusive. A side effect of Windows owning 90%+ of
the desktop PC market, with an even higher penetration within the
corporate world.

Windows doesn't exactly "own" the PC market. It's numerically dominant
because it's installed by default on the majority of computers you can
buy ready built in shops, and we all know what the average user does
about defaults. Anybody who wants to can install what they like. If
only they knew there was a choice, things might be different.

Rod.

Amen! Too many sheep in the world.

On 03/09/2015 05:05 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
You don't need to be especially clever to use Linux Mint Cinnamon.
I've installed it on a family machine without even telling people what
it was, and everybody manages to find their way around it as if it
were Windows, which in many ways it superficially resembles. If a
complete technophobe can manage to read her emails, and the
grandchildren can find their own way to CBeebies, then I reckon it's
capable of doing what at least 99% of computer users want.

Hi Roderick,

1+

I set up Xfce on Fedora Core 21 and make it look like
XP with a single task bar at the bottom. No one has
any trouble at all using it, especially with the damn thing not
crashng all the time.

And Libre Office, Firefox, and Thunderbird all look
exactly the same.

I would say that Linux is a ton easier to use than Frankenstein
(Windows 8) or Son-of-Frankenstein (Windows 10).

Windows only exists because M$ won the application wars.
One must have their Quick Books!

-T

If Quick Books ever supports Linux and Libre Office's
spread sheet, OH HO HO HO, M$ is toast!

On 03/10/2015 05:13 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:07:32 -0700, T wrote:

Windows only exists because M$ won the application wars.
One must have their Quick Books!

A very insightful statement! I have always thought a robust accounting package
designed for Linux, that could go head-to-head with the piece of crap Quickbooks
would likely make a huge dent in Windows usage.


GNU Cash is the closest I can find, but it has several
problems:

1) doesn't support payroll
2) doesn't support inventory
3) no one is universally trained on it
4) accountants do not want to learn anything new

On 03/10/2015 05:13 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
piece of crap Quickbooks

Ah validation!

What the user sees in Quick Books is rather well
done. What we see (I.T. folks) is a piece of
absolute ...

On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:07:32 -0700, T wrote:

I would say that Linux is a ton easier to use than Frankenstein
(Windows 8) or Son-of-Frankenstein (Windows 10).

I think Windows 8 should have been called Windows TF.

Rod.

T wrote:


I would say that Linux is a ton easier to use than Frankenstein
(Windows 8) or Son-of-Frankenstein (Windows 10).

There's not a lot of honesty in the world,
that's all I can say.

I have some Unix background. I used it at work, for CAD.
I bought books to educate myself. That's some
of my background.

I can easily use Linux. Many things can be solved
simply by visiting Synaptic Package Manager (or similar).

The hard part, is going through the myriad of web
pages with "recipes" for Linux. Like the Canonical
pages for Ubuntu, where each release needs a different
recipe. Some of those pages are pretty good.

Now, let's take a typical problem. A user wants
to connect their Android to their main computer
(desktop). How easy is it to do that in Linux ?
The MTPFS isn't in the kernel, it's a FUSE file system.
One recipe I found, suggested a script I couldn't find.
The MTPFS FUSE file system has hard coded VID:PID values
and will reject Android devices not listed in its list
(likely for quirks reasons).

Now, if I actually owned an Android device right now,
and wanted to sync some data on it, how many hours
would it take me ? And no, the answer is not "it's
a slam dunk", because I have yet to find a trustworthy
reference page.

I have *frequently* spend a whole 8 hour day, to get
something working in Linux. Not ever operation attempted
is "as easy as a Macintosh". Only the curated activities
are that easy. I could certainly use a web browser
in Linux, or maybe even manage to play a music CD.
But if there is any element of "techie" to a Linux
problem, even with my background it can cost 8 hours.
In a lot of cases, it's because things are not
in standard locations, or the recipe/subsystem that
used to be used in Linux, has been replaced.

If Linux was easy, I could imagine that neighbor down
the street using it. The one that's hopeless with
computers. And somehow, that's not going to happen.
You could set up a little photo shoot, of that neighbor
using Firefox, but that would be the end of the show.
It would be "hair loss time" for anything more difficult
or even slightly off the beaten track.

The difference with Windows , is there is money available
to grease the rails of software delivery. My Android device
will come with a software CD, so I can attempt to connect
up to my Windows system. The support network for Linux
is still pretty thin. While there are some companies
making an effort at the driver level, to help Linux
people, it's still not the same kind of effort they
put into their Windows stuff. If I'm a Linux user,
I'm relying on my own wits and cunning.

Paul

On 2015-03-10 9:12 PM, T wrote:
On 03/10/2015 05:13 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:07:32 -0700, T wrote:

Windows only exists because M$ won the application wars.
One must have their Quick Books!

A very insightful statement! I have always thought a robust
accounting package
designed for Linux, that could go head-to-head with the piece of crap
Quickbooks
would likely make a huge dent in Windows usage.


GNU Cash is the closest I can find, but it has several
problems:

1) doesn't support payroll
2) doesn't support inventory
3) no one is universally trained on it
4) accountants do not want to learn anything new

So it's essentially as worthless as the rest of open-source?

--
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

- "Export-grade." Right. Not much of Winblows is "export grade"." -
chrisv, demonstrating that he has no idea what "export-grade" means
- "Both you and the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" have *baselessly*
accused advocates of "lying" about their kill-file usage." - chrisv,
accusing someone who in his killfile of lying about his killfile
- "For some time M$ mandated that IE be the only browser installed, and
that it appear right on the desktop. OEM's had no choice in the matter
- M$ insisted on control of the boot process." - chrisv, lying shamelessly
- "Too bloated for the 386? X ran happily on lesser machines." -
JEDIDIAH, lying shamelessly
- "PnP hardware worked in Linux like it did in WinDOS." - JEDIDIAH,
again lying shamelessly

On 03/11/2015 08:09 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-03-10 9:12 PM, T wrote:
On 03/10/2015 05:13 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:07:32 -0700, T wrote:

Windows only exists because M$ won the application wars.
One must have their Quick Books!

A very insightful statement! I have always thought a robust
accounting package
designed for Linux, that could go head-to-head with the piece of crap
Quickbooks
would likely make a huge dent in Windows usage.


GNU Cash is the closest I can find, but it has several
problems:

1) doesn't support payroll
2) doesn't support inventory
3) no one is universally trained on it
4) accountants do not want to learn anything new

So it's essentially as worthless as the rest of open-source?


Hi Slimer,

You would think that someone working on open source would
be at a disadvantage to those working on it for pay. The
tenancy I see is the opposite. The pay stuff lacks innovation,
is full of bugs, doesn't care what the customer thinks, and
will never fix anything. Most of the time, open source kicks
commercial source's ass all over the map. But, not always.
Two wonderful pay exceptions are Qoppa and Cim Cor. (Obviously
not M$ or we would not be suffering with Frankenstein [w8]
and its offspring.)

I reported a bug to Red Hat yesterday. In less than one hour
they had submitted a patch. Then told me I reported it to
the wrong site! Check it out:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1200583

Just try, just dream about trying, to report ANYTHING to M$
or even Apple or Oracle that they actually listen to or ever
and I mean EVER respond to.

But there are exceptions.

By the way, what GNU Cash does do is RACK SOLID. Way,
way better than Quicken. And they have a great forum.

-T

By the way, Qoppa's PDF Studio Pro is worth every penny
of the 125 U$D price tag. I love the thing.

On 03/11/2015 04:10 AM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:


I would say that Linux is a ton easier to use than Frankenstein
(Windows 8) or Son-of-Frankenstein (Windows 10).

There's not a lot of honesty in the world,
that's all I can say.

I have some Unix background. I used it at work, for CAD.
I bought books to educate myself. That's some
of my background.

I can easily use Linux. Many things can be solved
simply by visiting Synaptic Package Manager (or similar).

The hard part, is going through the myriad of web
pages with "recipes" for Linux. Like the Canonical
pages for Ubuntu, where each release needs a different
recipe. Some of those pages are pretty good.

Now, let's take a typical problem. A user wants
to connect their Android to their main computer
(desktop). How easy is it to do that in Linux ?
The MTPFS isn't in the kernel, it's a FUSE file system.
One recipe I found, suggested a script I couldn't find.
The MTPFS FUSE file system has hard coded VID:PID values
and will reject Android devices not listed in its list
(likely for quirks reasons).

Now, if I actually owned an Android device right now,
and wanted to sync some data on it, how many hours
would it take me ? And no, the answer is not "it's
a slam dunk", because I have yet to find a trustworthy
reference page.

I have *frequently* spend a whole 8 hour day, to get
something working in Linux. Not ever operation attempted
is "as easy as a Macintosh". Only the curated activities
are that easy. I could certainly use a web browser
in Linux, or maybe even manage to play a music CD.
But if there is any element of "techie" to a Linux
problem, even with my background it can cost 8 hours.
In a lot of cases, it's because things are not
in standard locations, or the recipe/subsystem that
used to be used in Linux, has been replaced.

If Linux was easy, I could imagine that neighbor down
the street using it. The one that's hopeless with
computers. And somehow, that's not going to happen.
You could set up a little photo shoot, of that neighbor
using Firefox, but that would be the end of the show.
It would be "hair loss time" for anything more difficult
or even slightly off the beaten track.

The difference with Windows , is there is money available
to grease the rails of software delivery. My Android device
will come with a software CD, so I can attempt to connect
up to my Windows system. The support network for Linux
is still pretty thin. While there are some companies
making an effort at the driver level, to help Linux
people, it's still not the same kind of effort they
put into their Windows stuff. If I'm a Linux user,
I'm relying on my own wits and cunning.

Paul

Hi Paul,

I have been there too. Linux is getting a lot better.
I have spend many of those endless hours too. But
not just on Linux. Windows can be a nightmare too.
The Keep Alive thing in Terminal Server took me weeks
to figure out. There are probably still some swear
words floating around in the stratosphere.

On those customers with both servers installed, I am
shocked at the 20 to 1 ratio of time I have to spend
fussing with the Windows server over a Linux server.
The quality is just that much different.

Don't even get me started on M$ servers and reboots and
users trying to sneak in between reboots and bitching
when they get kicked out. Tip: disconnect the Ethernet
cable until you are ready to go back on line.

At the end of the day, working on a Windows server, everyone
hates your guts. On a Linux server, no one will even know you
were working on it. I know, work on Windows server after
hours: that way you can get bitched at by everyone that
decided to stay late to meet a deadline and did not care
that the memo about the outage was a week old.

The support model for Linux is different than Windows.
You rely on others a lot. And, if you purchase a
subscription from Red Hat, you have software engineers
at your finger tip -- good luck getting that kind of
service from M$. But, Red Hat doesn't service Android.
Google does, but there is literally no one to write
or talk to. But that is Google: I try to avoid them
when possible.

Check out this "Crowd Sourced" Linux tablet. Looks
really sweet. It runs Android apps. (It would drive
me nuts in about 5 minutes as I am addicted to FULL
FUNCTION computers.)

https://jolla.com/

-T

My knees felt week when you described your Android
issues.

On 03/11/2015 11:37 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-03-11 12:22 PM, T wrote:
On 03/11/2015 08:09 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-03-10 9:12 PM, T wrote:
On 03/10/2015 05:13 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:07:32 -0700, T wrote:

Windows only exists because M$ won the application wars.
One must have their Quick Books!

A very insightful statement! I have always thought a robust
accounting package
designed for Linux, that could go head-to-head with the piece of crap
Quickbooks
would likely make a huge dent in Windows usage.


GNU Cash is the closest I can find, but it has several
problems:

1) doesn't support payroll
2) doesn't support inventory
3) no one is universally trained on it
4) accountants do not want to learn anything new

So it's essentially as worthless as the rest of open-source?


Hi Slimer,

You would think that someone working on open source would
be at a disadvantage to those working on it for pay. The
tenancy I see is the opposite. The pay stuff lacks innovation,
is full of bugs, doesn't care what the customer thinks, and
will never fix anything. Most of the time, open source kicks
commercial source's ass all over the map. But, not always.
Two wonderful pay exceptions are Qoppa and Cim Cor. (Obviously
not M$ or we would not be suffering with Frankenstein [w8]
and its offspring.)

I reported a bug to Red Hat yesterday. In less than one hour
they had submitted a patch. Then told me I reported it to
the wrong site! Check it out:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1200583

Just try, just dream about trying, to report ANYTHING to M$
or even Apple or Oracle that they actually listen to or ever
and I mean EVER respond to.

But there are exceptions.

By the way, what GNU Cash does do is RACK SOLID. Way,
way better than Quicken. And they have a great forum.

-T

By the way, Qoppa's PDF Studio Pro is worth every penny
of the 125 U$D price tag. I love the thing.

That must be why Linux and its software is still plagued with bugs like
shutting down a computer if a person dares to run a video at full-screen
or losing the clock from the taskbar for no reason whatsoever.

Hi Slimer,

I have never seen any of those issues. VLC runs videos perfectly.
Never had a shutdown from a video in any screen mode. Never
lost a task bar. Clock always works. Did you report any of
them to their project's bugzillas?


Their work ethic for fixing issues is outstanding.

Meanwhile, I worked as a beta-tester for Windows Vista and 7. All of the
bugs I submitted were fixed and I imagine that I wasn't the only one who
had been heard as 7 turned out to be absolutely stellar.

W7 stellar? 1/2 as fast as XP and twice as unstable?
You have to go to 64 bit on W7 to get back the lost
speed of 32 bit XP. And it harasses you with the UAC,
which M$ has admitted does not good. Plus, you had
to spend $$$$ upgrading perfectly good software to
get it to work on Vista/W7.

I especially love the part about it rolling back all my work
a week after I worked on it. (Tip: erase the restore points
and create your own new ones.)

Did you miss the articles on W7 where M$ admitted they did
not read testers comments?

W7, when compared to Linux or Apple, is a toad. The only reason
people use it is the lack of applications on other platforms.
I have Linux server that run without a reboot for YEARS.
I have to set up nightly reboot on Windows servers their
quality is so bad. When I come across a Windows machine
that is acting weird, the first thing I ask is when was
the last time you rebooted? Then I tell them they should
shutdown at night so as to get their daily required reboot.
There is zero need for that in Apple or Linux.

Frankenstein (w8) is really bad on the reboot issue as
it doesn't shutdown when it says shutdown (it suspends),
so you do get a real reboot every night. I can't
tell you how many Frankenstein computers I have fixed
by pulling the power plug (then configuring it to
actually shutdown). W7 is better for this because
it actually shuts down.

Just an aside, did you know that W7 and XP get broke into
at a statistical dead heat? W7 is no more "secure" than
W7, despite what M$'s marketing weasels say:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...ays-microsoft/

Basically, what OS(es) you use is/are the ones that meet your needs.

-T

"T" wrote in message ...

On 03/11/2015 11:37 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-03-11 12:22 PM, T wrote:
On 03/11/2015 08:09 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-03-10 9:12 PM, T wrote:
On 03/10/2015 05:13 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:07:32 -0700, T wrote:

Windows only exists because M$ won the application wars.
One must have their Quick Books!

A very insightful statement! I have always thought a robust
accounting package
designed for Linux, that could go head-to-head with the piece of crap
Quickbooks
would likely make a huge dent in Windows usage.


GNU Cash is the closest I can find, but it has several
problems:

1) doesn't support payroll
2) doesn't support inventory
3) no one is universally trained on it
4) accountants do not want to learn anything new

So it's essentially as worthless as the rest of open-source?


Hi Slimer,

You would think that someone working on open source would
be at a disadvantage to those working on it for pay. The
tenancy I see is the opposite. The pay stuff lacks innovation,
is full of bugs, doesn't care what the customer thinks, and
will never fix anything. Most of the time, open source kicks
commercial source's ass all over the map. But, not always.
Two wonderful pay exceptions are Qoppa and Cim Cor. (Obviously
not M$ or we would not be suffering with Frankenstein [w8]
and its offspring.)

I reported a bug to Red Hat yesterday. In less than one hour
they had submitted a patch. Then told me I reported it to
the wrong site! Check it out:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1200583

Just try, just dream about trying, to report ANYTHING to M$
or even Apple or Oracle that they actually listen to or ever
and I mean EVER respond to.

But there are exceptions.

By the way, what GNU Cash does do is RACK SOLID. Way,
way better than Quicken. And they have a great forum.

-T

By the way, Qoppa's PDF Studio Pro is worth every penny
of the 125 U$D price tag. I love the thing.

That must be why Linux and its software is still plagued with bugs like
shutting down a computer if a person dares to run a video at full-screen
or losing the clock from the taskbar for no reason whatsoever.

Hi Slimer,

I have never seen any of those issues. VLC runs videos perfectly.
Never had a shutdown from a video in any screen mode. Never
lost a task bar. Clock always works. Did you report any of
them to their project's bugzillas?


Their work ethic for fixing issues is outstanding.

Meanwhile, I worked as a beta-tester for Windows Vista and 7. All of the
bugs I submitted were fixed and I imagine that I wasn't the only one who
had been heard as 7 turned out to be absolutely stellar.

W7 stellar? 1/2 as fast as XP and twice as unstable?
You have to go to 64 bit on W7 to get back the lost
speed of 32 bit XP. And it harasses you with the UAC,
which M$ has admitted does not good. Plus, you had
to spend $$$$ upgrading perfectly good software to
get it to work on Vista/W7.

I especially love the part about it rolling back all my work
a week after I worked on it. (Tip: erase the restore points
and create your own new ones.)

Did you miss the articles on W7 where M$ admitted they did
not read testers comments?

W7, when compared to Linux or Apple, is a toad. The only reason
people use it is the lack of applications on other platforms.
I have Linux server that run without a reboot for YEARS.
I have to set up nightly reboot on Windows servers their
quality is so bad. When I come across a Windows machine
that is acting weird, the first thing I ask is when was
the last time you rebooted? Then I tell them they should
shutdown at night so as to get their daily required reboot.
There is zero need for that in Apple or Linux.

Frankenstein (w8) is really bad on the reboot issue as
it doesn't shutdown when it says shutdown (it suspends),
so you do get a real reboot every night. I can't
tell you how many Frankenstein computers I have fixed
by pulling the power plug (then configuring it to
actually shutdown). W7 is better for this because
it actually shuts down.

Just an aside, did you know that W7 and XP get broke into
at a statistical dead heat? W7 is no more "secure" than
W7, despite what M$'s marketing weasels say:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...ays-microsoft/

Basically, what OS(es) you use is/are the ones that meet your needs.

Now you should go to the Ubuntu and other linux forums and look at all the
complaints about system failures.
Linux isn't any more secure than any other operating system. Linux sitting
at almost 2% of the market just means that they have
security by obscurity.