PDFs ARGH!

On 27/11/2015 17:36, mick wrote:
On 27/11/2015 17:15:23, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 17:03:08 -0000, edevils
wrote:

On 27/11/2015 17:55, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:43:01 -0000, edevils
wrote:

On 27/11/2015 13:17, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 26/11/2015 20:22, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:00:37 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 11:30 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to
fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!

PDF can be made to be fill in forms. If it is a PDF form you
will have
to save to a PDF file to save the form with the information

I've hardly ever seen that happen. The fact remains we just
don't need
PDF.


What do you suggest instead?

In Italy, when we do our taxes online, we use web forms.
Web tax return forms automatically calculate your totals and how much
you are due to pay.
That wouldn't be possible with a PDF form.

Why do you have to do your taxes at all?

Actually many (most?) people don't have to.

I can only speak for the UK, where only the self employed fill in taxes

I'm retired and still have to do self assessment on line in the UK.


Yes. I still do them online since I stopped working. I used to always
get few quid back each year but various governments have changed things
now so that, for instance, the government keeps the tax on share
dividends even if you're earning less than your allowance.
:-(

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On 27/11/2015 12:57, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:17:52 -0000, Brian Gregory
wrote:

On 26/11/2015 20:22, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:00:37 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 11:30 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!

PDF can be made to be fill in forms. If it is a PDF form you will have
to save to a PDF file to save the form with the information

I've hardly ever seen that happen. The fact remains we just don't need
PDF.


What do you suggest instead?

Something everybody has - RTF, DOC, etc.


RTF maybe.
I haven't really used it much.

Unfortunately DOC has poor support outside of the MS Windows world.
For instance OpenOffice and LibreOffice can open them but the results
can be disappointing with complex documents.

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On 27/11/2015 16:40, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:30:32 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/27/2015 11:25 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/26/2015 11:30 AM:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!


Because it's a very useful tool. Does your pdf reader not enable you to
fill in pdf forms? If so, get the free Foxit Reader.

I posted earlier that I learned about adding text comments to a PDF
document. I did not say that I am using Adobe Reader DC.

If you have not updated to the DC version it is significantly faster the
revision X

It's meant to autoupdate.... Or is that broken too?


XI and DC are both supported at the moment and Adobe provide security
updates for both. I think X may still be supoorted too but I'm not sure.
Updating from XI to DC is optional though I thought the Windows versions
nagged you to do it until you explicitly said no to DC.

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On 11/27/2015 8:28 PM, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 27/11/2015 16:40, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:30:32 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/27/2015 11:25 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/26/2015 11:30 AM:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!


Because it's a very useful tool. Does your pdf reader not enable
you to
fill in pdf forms? If so, get the free Foxit Reader.

I posted earlier that I learned about adding text comments to a PDF
document. I did not say that I am using Adobe Reader DC.

If you have not updated to the DC version it is significantly faster the
revision X

It's meant to autoupdate.... Or is that broken too?


XI and DC are both supported at the moment and Adobe provide security
updates for both. I think X may still be supoorted too but I'm not sure.
Updating from XI to DC is optional though I thought the Windows versions
nagged you to do it until you explicitly said no to DC.


I believe the situation with Adobe is that Reader X is supported through
Windows XP. If you have Windows 7 or greater you can use XI and DC.
Windows XP will not upgrade to the newer versions.

As I said previously if you have not updated to Reader DC, you are
missing so much. DC runs so much faster that the XI or X.

From this thread there appears to be many who have not used Adobe
Reader DC.

On 26/11/2015 16:30, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in!

Because Adobe has convinced everybody that pdf forms are the best method
to provide forms that users can fill them out in their own time without
an internet connection!!

PDF is a read only document!


No it is not. If it was read only then how can you create them in the
first place? You are Tough aren't you? Is 1265 your prison number?

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On 26/11/2015 16:49, Ann O'Nyme wrote:
To you they may be 'read only', to users of Adobe Acrobat they are
editable. That they cannot be edited by the hoi polloi is a good thing.
You are prevented from editing the text that you are required to sign.
You can also edit pdf files in any image editing software. Photoshop and
Photoshop Elements can edit them because I use them; Mind you, I also
have Acrobat because I get all Adobe software free of charge. I have
just received a new code for next year. This is what they said in their
email:


/Enjoy an additional 12-month Creative Cloud complimentary membership As
a valued member of the Adobe community, you are eligible to receive
continued access to Adobe® Creative Cloud™ which includes all the latest
tools and services you know and love. This message delivers critical
information to extend your membership, along with your unique activation
code. /


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On 26/11/2015 18:53, Rene Lamontagne wrote:



Lots of people use Foxit and Sumatra, among others, I gave up on Adobe
ages ago.


but you are not a professional are you? We thought you are a pensioner
scrounger.



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On 26/11/2015 19:32, Mick wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!
this is peter hucker, aka phucker, and loads more.
he is a well known troll and had destroyed more than one group
he is a sad individual, no woman, no job and no money
he will argue over every reply that he gets
he will masturbate over every reply that he gets


How the **** do you know all these things? are you a troll as well? It
takes one to know another.

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On 26/11/2015 22:23, GreyCloud wrote:

Haven't you ever fill out an IRS 1040.pdf?
And it is savable too after you fill it out.


He is not a tax payer according to Mick the ****er. Mick says he is a
known troll who Masterbates. Now I cannot argue with Mick because he is
the expert here on such things. this is what Mick said:


this is peter hucker, aka phucker, and loads more.
he is a well known troll and had destroyed more than one group
he is a sad individual, no woman, no job and no money
he will argue over every reply that he gets
he will masturbate over every reply that he gets




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On 27 Nov 2015, "Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

I haven't moved any posts. My original post was about how PDFs
are not suited to forms to be filled in.

You do know that there's an electronic trail of your posts, do you not?
Your lies and/or confusion is documented. You clearly stated,

PDF is a read only document!

It is not, and everybody seems to know it but you.

And that is still my point.

That's what you've changed your point into in order to avoid admitting
your error, I guess. Either that or you're trolling again.

On 28/11/2015 03:52:51, Good Guy wrote:
On 26/11/2015 19:32, Mick wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!
this is peter hucker, aka phucker, and loads more.
he is a well known troll and had destroyed more than one group
he is a sad individual, no woman, no job and no money
he will argue over every reply that he gets
he will masturbate over every reply that he gets

How the **** do you know all these things? are you a troll as well? It
takes one to know another.

You only have to look around other groups to see his stupid ramblings,
uk.rec.driving for one.

I'm the other mick btw.

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Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:44:02 -0000, wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 posted
this via news
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!

This is not a PDF group. Try writing a letter to Adobe Claus.
Or Dr. Phil. Or Dr. Oz. 'Tis the season. Maybe you can get a
brain transplant for Xmas because people are sentimentally retarded
this time of the year. Or there's a Black Friday sale.

There ain't a PDF group so you'll just have to hear my whinging.

trying to destroy this group now are your phucker******?

On 28/11/2015 02:45, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 11/27/2015 8:28 PM, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 27/11/2015 16:40, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:30:32 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/27/2015 11:25 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/26/2015 11:30 AM:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!


Because it's a very useful tool. Does your pdf reader not enable
you to
fill in pdf forms? If so, get the free Foxit Reader.

I posted earlier that I learned about adding text comments to a PDF
document. I did not say that I am using Adobe Reader DC.

If you have not updated to the DC version it is significantly faster
the
revision X

It's meant to autoupdate.... Or is that broken too?


XI and DC are both supported at the moment and Adobe provide security
updates for both. I think X may still be supoorted too but I'm not sure.
Updating from XI to DC is optional though I thought the Windows versions
nagged you to do it until you explicitly said no to DC.


I believe the situation with Adobe is that Reader X is supported through
Windows XP. If you have Windows 7 or greater you can use XI and DC.
Windows XP will not upgrade to the newer versions.

As I said previously if you have not updated to Reader DC, you are
missing so much. DC runs so much faster that the XI or X.

From this thread there appears to be many who have not used Adobe
Reader DC.

I found DC took some getting used to.
I couldn't immediately see how to move the page around with the mouse.

I've figured it out now though.

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On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 02:45:42 -0000, Keith Nuttle wrote:

On 11/27/2015 8:28 PM, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 27/11/2015 16:40, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:30:32 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/27/2015 11:25 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/26/2015 11:30 AM:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!


Because it's a very useful tool. Does your pdf reader not enable
you to
fill in pdf forms? If so, get the free Foxit Reader.

I posted earlier that I learned about adding text comments to a PDF
document. I did not say that I am using Adobe Reader DC.

If you have not updated to the DC version it is significantly faster the
revision X

It's meant to autoupdate.... Or is that broken too?


XI and DC are both supported at the moment and Adobe provide security
updates for both. I think X may still be supoorted too but I'm not sure.
Updating from XI to DC is optional though I thought the Windows versions
nagged you to do it until you explicitly said no to DC.


I believe the situation with Adobe is that Reader X is supported through
Windows XP. If you have Windows 7 or greater you can use XI and DC.
Windows XP will not upgrade to the newer versions.

As I said previously if you have not updated to Reader DC, you are
missing so much. DC runs so much faster that the XI or X.

From this thread there appears to be many who have not used Adobe
Reader DC.

I just let it update itself. If I don't have DC then the update system is broken.

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On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:52:51 -0000, Good Guy wrote:

On 26/11/2015 19:32, Mick wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!
this is peter hucker, aka phucker, and loads more.
he is a well known troll and had destroyed more than one group
he is a sad individual, no woman, no job and no money
he will argue over every reply that he gets
he will masturbate over every reply that he gets


How the **** do you know all these things? are you a troll as well? It
takes one to know another.

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ROTFPMSL! You hit the nail on the head (with your sig and the reply).

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