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  #16  
Old February 17th 16, 07:35 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
philo
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On 02/17/2016 12:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 12:42 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/17/2016 10:29 AM, Slimer wrote:

My experiences with me, even the most recent, has shown otherwise.

ReactOS has nothing to do with Linux,

X'



snipped but read


It was pure folly to install a new OS by blowing the old one away.


When I try something new, I usually install on an expendable machine.
Or else disconnect the hard drive and put in another where I can experiment.


Sixteen years ago Linux was a lot harder to figure out, but today I find
it pretty easy.

If you don't like it, don't use it. No one cares.

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  #17  
Old February 17th 16, 07:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 02/17/2016 10:58 AM, Stef wrote:
/less wrote:

Try the live cd, it's fun!
http://distrowatch.com/
http://www.reactos.org/


Been following its development for some years now just out of
curiousity. If it ever reaches "final release" status, will it run my
old Windows 2000 or XP apps? Didn't think so. That's much of the
reason that many don't upgrade to newer Windows: the excessive cost of
to replace all that perfectly good, working, still useful software.

Stef




One reason I still keep an XP installation....software I would not be
able to transfer to another machine...or if so, difficult.


  #18  
Old February 17th 16, 07:38 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Slimer
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On 2016-02-17 1:35 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/17/2016 12:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 12:42 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/17/2016 10:29 AM, Slimer wrote:

My experiences with me, even the most recent, has shown otherwise.

ReactOS has nothing to do with Linux,

X'



snipped but read


It was pure folly to install a new OS by blowing the old one away.


It had been imaged the day before. To be honest, I have a backup of the
default state and had one of the most recent state. I am very cautious
in general but had no reason to believe that Macrium had corrupted my
image (if that's actually what happened).

When I try something new, I usually install on an expendable machine.
Or else disconnect the hard drive and put in another where I can
experiment.


Except that I needed to see how Linux kernel 4.4 works on my hardware,
not on another's.

Sixteen years ago Linux was a lot harder to figure out, but today I find
it pretty easy.

If you don't like it, don't use it. No one cares.


Sure. However, I would rather prevent the toiletware from claiming
another victim.

--
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OpenMedia & EFF Member / Conservative Party of Canada, IFAW, PETA &
Mozilla Supporter

After several serious attempts at using Linux, I can honestly say that
the word is synonymous with garbage.
  #19  
Old February 17th 16, 07:42 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
philo
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On 02/17/2016 12:38 PM, Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 1:35 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/17/2016 12:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 12:42 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/17/2016 10:29 AM, Slimer wrote:

My experiences with me, even the most recent, has shown otherwise.

ReactOS has nothing to do with Linux,

X'



snipped but read


It was pure folly to install a new OS by blowing the old one away.


It had been imaged the day before. To be honest, I have a backup of the
default state and had one of the most recent state. I am very cautious
in general but had no reason to believe that Macrium had corrupted my
image (if that's actually what happened).

When I try something new, I usually install on an expendable machine.
Or else disconnect the hard drive and put in another where I can
experiment.


Except that I needed to see how Linux kernel 4.4 works on my hardware,
not on another's.

Ok fine...

Then considering how inexpensive hard drives are,
just pop one in place of the one(s) you were using.

I literally have boxes of spare drives I can fool with...


  #20  
Old February 17th 16, 07:52 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Slimer
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On 2016-02-17 1:42 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/17/2016 12:38 PM, Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 1:35 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/17/2016 12:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 12:42 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/17/2016 10:29 AM, Slimer wrote:

My experiences with me, even the most recent, has shown otherwise.

ReactOS has nothing to do with Linux,

X'


snipped but read


It was pure folly to install a new OS by blowing the old one away.


It had been imaged the day before. To be honest, I have a backup of the
default state and had one of the most recent state. I am very cautious
in general but had no reason to believe that Macrium had corrupted my
image (if that's actually what happened).

When I try something new, I usually install on an expendable machine.
Or else disconnect the hard drive and put in another where I can
experiment.


Except that I needed to see how Linux kernel 4.4 works on my hardware,
not on another's.

Ok fine...

Then considering how inexpensive hard drives are,
just pop one in place of the one(s) you were using.

I literally have boxes of spare drives I can fool with...


Linux has already wasted my time, it doesn't need to waste my money.


--
Slimer
OpenMedia & EFF Member / Conservative Party of Canada, IFAW, PETA &
Mozilla Supporter

After several serious attempts at using Linux, I can honestly say that
the word is synonymous with garbage.
  #21  
Old February 17th 16, 08:06 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
philo
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On 02/17/2016 12:35 PM, Slimer wrote:
als, howtos, etc.

I was tested as having a 140 IQ when I was 22. Meanwhile, I am smarter
now than I have ever been in my past. Don't question my intelligence at
refusing to use an operating system which demands that I jump through
hoops just to get it working properly; question yourself for having such
low standards and self-esteem as to accept such mediocrity on your
hardware.




You proved you are a dummy because IQ does not change that much with
age, but if at all, it goes down.

I do not know what my IQ is but am sure it's under 140

If I can use Linux I'm anyone can.


You are basically just too lazy to learn.

Because it works differently from Windows, many Linux newbies think it's
broken.
  #22  
Old February 17th 16, 08:13 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul
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Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-16 11:34 PM, /less wrote:
Try the live cd, it's fun!
http://distrowatch.com/
http://www.reactos.org/


I installed Linux two days ago... it ignored my RAID and once installed,
froze after going to sleep and prevented Steam from working at all after
an update. To say the least, mediocre software doesn't deserve to be run
in general.


Did you research what distro that Steam gamers are using ?

My guess is, you picked the wrong distro for this.

Remember that some distros have a relatively small
team of people working on them. Or, the "scope" of the
project is way too big, and the fit and finish ends
up lacking.

While people may have issues with the direction Ubuntu
is taking, if I needed something to work, I might start
there (their Repository is in good shape). But I'm saying
that, without collecting the opinion of Steam users, and
Linux Steam users are likely to already have identified
a good distro for the purpose. The idea being, gaming is #1,
and all other considerations are secondary. Their
game might always work, but maybe some other thing
is less than perfect.

And as for running a RAID, did you do any reading
on the topic first ? If I had a RAID, I wouldn't
just "whap in a copy of Linux" and expect a miracle.
Usually some pre-install reading is in order,
even with other OSes, to achieve the best outcome.
For example, some RAID packages support "migration",
you can install the OS on a single disk, then
"migrate" to a RAID 0/1/5 config, and the RAID
rebuilds while you work. But for that to happen,
first you'd have to realize the brand of RAID
supports migration, and you learn that by reading.
I can think of at least two RAID implementations,
where extra effort was put into software RAID
migration for the array.

Paul
  #23  
Old February 17th 16, 08:45 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Slimer
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On 2016-02-17 2:06 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/17/2016 12:35 PM, Slimer wrote:
als, howtos, etc.

I was tested as having a 140 IQ when I was 22. Meanwhile, I am smarter
now than I have ever been in my past. Don't question my intelligence at
refusing to use an operating system which demands that I jump through
hoops just to get it working properly; question yourself for having such
low standards and self-esteem as to accept such mediocrity on your
hardware.




You proved you are a dummy because IQ does not change that much with
age, but if at all, it goes down.


Your mathematical skill improves with age as does your logic. I disagree
wholeheartedly with your assessment.

I do not know what my IQ is but am sure it's under 140

If I can use Linux I'm anyone can.


Nice self-nuke there.

You are basically just too lazy to learn.


I can use every distribution on the planet. I have more trouble with
Arch but it's because the package manager is not my favourite but
otherwise I'm fine. I have the technical skills to get it working, but I
don't have the patience to tolerate it not working in the manner that it
is supposed to.

Because it works differently from Windows, many Linux newbies think it's
broken.


Yeah, that must be it.

--
Slimer
OpenMedia & EFF Member / Conservative Party of Canada, IFAW, PETA &
Mozilla Supporter

After several serious attempts at using Linux, I can honestly say that
the word is synonymous with garbage.
  #24  
Old February 17th 16, 09:05 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Slimer
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On 2016-02-17 2:13 PM, Paul wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-16 11:34 PM, /less wrote:
Try the live cd, it's fun!
http://distrowatch.com/
http://www.reactos.org/


I installed Linux two days ago... it ignored my RAID and once
installed, froze after going to sleep and prevented Steam from working
at all after an update. To say the least, mediocre software doesn't
deserve to be run in general.


Did you research what distro that Steam gamers are using ?

My guess is, you picked the wrong distro for this.


Typical Linux user response. There should be no handicap to a Linux user
who chooses Sabayon over Debian; they should all work in the same
manner. The fact that they don't highlights one of the many problems
with Linux.

Remember that some distros have a relatively small
team of people working on them. Or, the "scope" of the
project is way too big, and the fit and finish ends
up lacking.

While people may have issues with the direction Ubuntu
is taking, if I needed something to work, I might start
there (their Repository is in good shape). But I'm saying
that, without collecting the opinion of Steam users, and
Linux Steam users are likely to already have identified
a good distro for the purpose. The idea being, gaming is #1,
and all other considerations are secondary. Their
game might always work, but maybe some other thing
is less than perfect.

And as for running a RAID, did you do any reading
on the topic first ? If I had a RAID, I wouldn't
just "whap in a copy of Linux" and expect a miracle.
Usually some pre-install reading is in order,
even with other OSes, to achieve the best outcome.
For example, some RAID packages support "migration",
you can install the OS on a single disk, then
"migrate" to a RAID 0/1/5 config, and the RAID
rebuilds while you work. But for that to happen,
first you'd have to realize the brand of RAID
supports migration, and you learn that by reading.
I can think of at least two RAID implementations,
where extra effort was put into software RAID
migration for the array.


Good points but I don't respect an operating system which, in 2016,
still doesn't recognize what the Hell a RAID is. It's a very old
technology so it's surprising that some distributions would ignore it
entirely.


--
Slimer
OpenMedia & EFF Member / Conservative Party of Canada, IFAW, PETA &
Mozilla Supporter

After several serious attempts at using Linux, I can honestly say that
the word is synonymous with garbage.
  #25  
Old February 17th 16, 09:07 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Paul wrote on 2016/02/17:

less wrote:

Try the live cd, it's fun!
http://distrowatch.com/
http://www.reactos.org/


No need to download it. You can learn about it here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReactOS


They've been working on ReactOS since 1998. 18 years later and all they
have, at best, is alphaware. Crash, crash, crash. Nowhere ready for
public consumption. Play with it if you want to donate your QA effort
to their project. They could use a *lot* more alpha testers. Go
volunteer your time and a spare computer to their cause. What else have
you got to do? (rolls eyes)
  #26  
Old February 17th 16, 09:16 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
philo
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On 02/17/2016 01:45 PM, Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 2:06 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/17/2016 12:35 PM, Slimer wrote:
als, howtos, etc.

I was tested as having a 140 IQ when I was 22. Meanwhile, I am smarter
now than I have ever been in my past. Don't question my intelligence at
refusing to use an operating system which demands that I jump through
hoops just to get it working properly; question yourself for having such
low standards and self-esteem as to accept such mediocrity on your
hardware.




You proved you are a dummy because IQ does not change that much with
age, but if at all, it goes down.


Your mathematical skill improves with age as does your logic. I disagree
wholeheartedly with your assessment.



Maybe you are getting smarter with age but I am sure getting dumber...
at any rate I find Linux easy enough to figure out...but if I have to
strain a bit at times, it's always been a good learning experience.


If you are as smart as you claim to be, yet cannot figure things out
then what's left is that you are lazy.



Here is a poem I wrote today:





I LOVE LOVE LOVE,
The 21st Century!

I LOVE LOVE LOVE,
My iPhone!

I LOVE LOVE LOVE,
Facebook!

I can talk to my friends,
Any place on earth.
How did you survive,
Back then?



We spoke to our neighbors.






  #27  
Old February 17th 16, 09:35 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 02/17/2016 01:29 PM, Yrrah wrote:
Slimer :

I installed Linux two days ago...


Really? Which distro?

it ignored my RAID and once installed,
froze after going to sleep and prevented Steam from working at all after
an update. To say the least, mediocre software doesn't deserve to be run
in general.


Linux distros are not for mediocre people with mediocre minds who
don't think and don't read manuals, howtos, etc.

Yrrah


Linux is for the seriously curious

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  #28  
Old February 17th 16, 10:13 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 1:10 AM, John Q. Public wrote:
Slimer wrote:
1. Run Linux LiveCD, enjoy what I'm using.
2. Attempt to install Linux. For whatever reason, it doesn't see my RAID
and forces me to use my two SSDs as separate drives rather than just
one.
3. Install Linux anyway and am pleased to discover that all of the
hardware works. Don't mind that startup goes from taking 8 seconds to
about 60.
4. Run Steam, it asks to update.
5. Update the whole computer.
6. Steam suddenly doesn't load at all.
7. Try to restore the Macrium Reflect image of my previous Windows 10
install: it fails (apparently because the RAID I re-created is different
even though the settings are identical. However, it claims that the
image is corrupted).
8. Try to restore my computer's image of Windows 8.1 OS install, created
when I purchased the machine. It fails as well.
9. Out of desperate, try to restore an image of the whole computer and
risk losing all of my data. Luckily, it works without deleting the data
I was careful to put on a separate drive.
10. Partitions are suddenly out of whack even though the RAID was for
two M.2 SSD drives totaling 240GB. Everything works but EaseUS is used
to correct the partitions and bring everything back to normal.


Windows 10? No wonder you had problems.


With Windows 8.1 and 10, my computer boots to the desktop in about 8
seconds and is completely ready for action after about 20. In Linux, one
whole minute and the icons in KDE still hadn't appeared. Not only that
but if my display turned off in Linux (kernel 4.4 btw), it froze the
computer. That is definitely not what I would consider to be quality.

Try installing Linux with
Windows 10 nowhere near the machine.


Linux is like a Chrysler car; if it is anywhere near something better,
it breaks down and leaves you stranded on the highway.

And when you do, install Linux Mint
Mate and then get back to us with your stereotypes, biases and ignorance.


The typical answer of a Linux loser: you chose the wrong one of our
hundreds of distributions. #371 is the right one.

BTW, Windows 10 is more of a store than an operating system. Be prepared
to pay rent soon.


We'll see. If that happens, I'd still rather pay whatever Microsoft asks.


Another Windows loser that's lost his ability to think logically.

--
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  #29  
Old February 17th 16, 10:15 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
William Unruh
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On 2016-02-17, Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 2:13 PM, Paul wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-16 11:34 PM, /less wrote:
Try the live cd, it's fun!
http://distrowatch.com/
http://www.reactos.org/

I installed Linux two days ago... it ignored my RAID and once
installed, froze after going to sleep and prevented Steam from working
at all after an update. To say the least, mediocre software doesn't
deserve to be run in general.


Sorry to hear that. That is not usual.
Not sure what you mean "ignored my Raid".
No idea what Steam is.

You give no details so you are going to get no help.



Did you research what distro that Steam gamers are using ?

My guess is, you picked the wrong distro for this.


Typical Linux user response. There should be no handicap to a Linux user
who chooses Sabayon over Debian; they should all work in the same
manner. The fact that they don't highlights one of the many problems
with Linux.


And what is the excuse that every version of Windows works differently?


migration for the array.


Good points but I don't respect an operating system which, in 2016,
still doesn't recognize what the Hell a RAID is. It's a very old


?? Linux has done raid for 20 years by now.

technology so it's surprising that some distributions would ignore it
entirely.


some people want it some people want to use their disks for other things
than speed or duplication.



  #30  
Old February 17th 16, 10:15 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/17/2016 11:06 AM, philo wrote:


You are basically just too lazy to learn.

Because it works differently from Windows, many Linux newbies think it's
broken.


It's not that it works differently. You can learn to use something
different
if it works.
Problem is that they can't figger out HOW to make it work.
Or they reached their frustration limit.
If a mere mortal can't make it work, it's broken.

Linux is a great bunch of parts. But it's packaged as an onion
of frustration. Fix one thing and there's another layer right beneath.
Then somebody changes the onion altogether so you get to start over.

You wanna see what desktop linux could be, go download macpup 5.29.
The damn thing just works. You don't have to try to understand what
nouveau is.
You don't have to learn about windows networking to talk to your windows
network.
I could go on and on and on about the frustrations new users would never
encounter with puppy.

Puppy is built with the USER in mind.
Most desktop linux distros are built with the developer in mind...all
zillion of them at cross purposes.
 




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