Windows 10 automatically installed itself.

On 14/03/2016 01:10, Popkin wrote:

If you don’t have anything constructive to say, it’s best to STFU.
In that way you won’t look like a horses ass.


If you don't like my posts it's best to STFU or kill filter me so that
you don't get blood pressure from me insulting you. are you the same
Canadian "Who is Small Boys Abuser"? We thought you got arrested but it
seems you escaped. President Trump will deal with you.



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On 03/13/2016 07:23 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

[snip]

Remember the Bible says "Do unto others as you would have others do unto
you."

That "golden rule" does NOT originate in the bible (almost nothing of
any importance does), but was around much earlier than that.

BTW, so, if you're suicidal you should kill everybody? That's what that
[expletive deleted] rule says.

| One aspect that never seems to come up in these W10 update discussions,
| is while you own the hardware, at this point in time you do not own the
| software, in this case W?????.
|
| In any EULA I've ever read, you have a *license* to use the software,
| you don't own it. Therefore, MS owns the OS and can do any darn thing
| it wants to with it without your permission.
|

I don't think that follows. You have a license
to use one copy of the software, just as you
buy a single license when you buy a book or
record album or architectural blueprints. That
doesn't give them the right to change what
they sold you. Nor does it give them a right
to look at your private files. Those are *your*
intellectual property.

If Microsoft can do as they please then Amazon
has a right to replace all of your ebooks with
Jack and Jill. And an architect would have the right
to alter the blueprints he's given you for a new
house, at will and in any way he likes. That would
render the licensing meaningless, because you
won't have licensed anything defined.

The only difference here is that MS can hack into
your computer "non-confrontationally", while the
architect can't easily break into your house. And
Microsoft has lots of money and lawyers. And the
licensing of software is still a gray area.... So they're
getting away with it. Most people just don't know
what to think. Like Albert, the OP. He's sort of outraged.
On the other hand, he's not sure what to think.

Microsoft gets away with these things through
mickey mouse EULAs and the newness of the medium,
but that doesn't mean they have a right to. There
used to be articles about the silly EULAs companies used.
Powerquest used to claim that every copy of Partition
Magic was limited to one hard disk. So a hard disk would
cost $60 and the software to partition it would cost
$60! Buy another hard disk and you have to buy another
copy of PM. I'm sure no one ever honored that EULA, but
they had to "agree" to it to use the software they'd
bought. And the store wouldn't take it back because
the package was open! Talk about being over a barrel!
MS has (or had) a bit in their .Net license saying people
couldn't critique it without permission. It's all corporate
snake oil.

I think we're gradually giving them some of those rights,
though, by putting up with it. It's not just a joke. Every
time someone says MS has a right because it's in the EULA,
they're giving more credibility to a fundamentally dishonest
business practice and to Microsoft's unfounded claims.

Case in point: Google has been
using the argument in court that no one can reasonably
expect privacy in gmail because they've never had it --
even if they're not gmail customers. It's an absurd argument,
but it gains credibility as more people use gmail and
allegedly accept the terms of service. If 30 million
people use gmail and accept the spying (or at least
don't know about it because they didn't read the 50
pages of legalistic mumbo jumbo they clicked through)
then that changes the legally defined "reasonable
expectation", so that people who've never used
gmail risk losing their privacy rights. Likewise, if people
accept that "because MS put it in their license it must
be true" then that helps to establish MS's credibility.

And by reading the above you've agreed to agree
that everything I wrote is not only fully correct, but
absolutely brilliant.

On 3/13/16 7:44 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 13/03/2016 23:45, Moss Grimmik wrote:

Could You tell me how to disable updates in Windows 10?

Two ways:

1) You can disable automatic updates completely by going to Services and
from their look for an item called Windows Update. Right-click on it
and choose disable.

Windows-Update http://s15.postimg.org/mvuzvor23/2016_03_14_0133.png

I like windows update so I have got it as default.

2) go to Settings and change it to something like this:


Reschedule start of puter
http://s27.postimg.org/jdusuznur/2016_03_14_0128.png


There is evidence that this setting will ensure you don't get bothered
for months!!!

By the way the OP was using some fringe system that all sensible people
have stopped using them and my reply was specifically directed towards
those fringe systems. there are some idiots like Ken Springer and Keith
Nutter who are still using them but they are not in paid employment.
They are retired and working for charities for nothing.

Oh my gosh... Looks like I need to sterilize my system from the
pestilence infection.


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Firefox 44.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
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and it's gone!"

On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 21:10:48 -0400, "Popkin" wrote:


"Good Guy" wrote in message ...
On 13/03/2016 21:05, Albert wrote:

QUESTION: how can Microsoft or any other entity go into her computer
and do what they did without her knowledge or permission?


Microsoft or any other entity CAN'T get into your computer if you have some common sense of cofiguring your machine so that no programs can be installed without your express permission.

You say you are using Windows 7 and so there is a way to stop automatic updates but people like you don't seem to know anything about computers despite these have been around since the 1980s. Some of us weren't even born then but we have known how to control our machines so that nothing is installed on it unless we want to install something.

Now do some research how to configure your machine and your wife;s machine so that none of you get automatic updates.

Some of us are already on Windows 10 and we love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck.





If you don’t have anything constructive to say, it’s best to STFU. In that way you won’t look like a horses ass.




:-(
I brought my wife over to read some of the replies on this thread and
she got a big kick out of some of the juvenile antics presented. :-)

Anyway, we talked about bumping up to Windows 10 and why she was
reluctant to do so and she explained she didn't want to have to learn
a whole new set of operating procedures. That and losing some of the
apps she has installed and when I pointed out that she would not she
relented and agreed. One of my arguing points was the fact that a lot
of times I would go into her 8.1 and find that I had forgotten some of
it and if she had 10 it would be much easier on this 81-year-old body
(not to mention mind) ;-)

So, it's been installed and the 1st thing she did was go into Facebook
so now she's a happy camper, as I am.

Thanks for all the helpful posts on this thread and as for the other
posters, you have an extensive expletive vocabulary so just go ahead
and pick out the one you like to describe yourselves ;-)
Albert

Regular troll...

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On 13/03/2016 21:05, Albert wrote:

QUESTION: how can Microsoft or any other entity go into her computer
and do what they did without her knowledge or permission?


Microsoft or any other entity CAN'T get into your computer if you have
some common sense of cofiguring your machine so that no programs can be
installed without your express permission.

You say you are using Windows 7 and so there is a way to stop automatic
updates but people like you don't seem to know anything about computers
despite these have been around since the 1980s. Some of us weren't even
born then but we have known how to control our machines so that nothing
is installed on it unless we want to install something.

Now do some research how to configure your machine and your wife;s
machine so that none of you get automatic updates.

Some of us are already on Windows 10 and we love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck.





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Albert wrote

Anyway, we talked about bumping up to Windows 10 and why she was
reluctant to do so and she explained she didn't want to have to learn
a whole new set of operating procedures.

It's not likely to bother ordinary users much. That is, unless the
system gets messed up by the upgrade. Then it's a big problem.

Paul wrote in :

Albert wrote:

I have 2 PC computers that I primarily use where as my wife has one.
Both of my PC's are running Windows 10 was all updates however my
wife has resisted going to 10. I can understand why because of the
way she uses her computer.

Every time that MS has queried as to whether she wants to upgrade she
or I have refused. Saturday morning she went in to do her stuff and
found out that Microsoft had summarily installed 10 and if she did
not want it she had to request to return to the previous OS (8.1)
which I did. It took about 35 to 40 minutes to get her computer back
the way it was. And so far she hasn't noticed if anything is messed
up. We have our fingers crossed.

QUESTION: how can Microsoft or any other entity go into her computer
and do what they did without her knowledge or permission?

Oh, and by the way her computer is a HP they came with Windows OS on
it when she bought it.

Install this, click the button.

http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/201...ly-remove.html

Looks good.

I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't been hit by a class-action suit.
Hopefully it will be.

Good Guy wrote:

2) go to Settings and change it to something like this:


Reschedule start of puter
http://s27.postimg.org/jdusuznur/2016_03_14_0128.png


There is evidence that this setting will ensure you don't get bothered
for months!!!

Nope.

That setting will continue to bother for reschedule or restart.

No evidence exists that configuring for a restart will prevent 'getting
bothered for months'

Windows Pro users have additional options to 'Defer'. Try comparing
Defer and Restart options. Once done, then let us know if evidence
exists on Restart ensuring 'you don't get bothered for months'





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Mayayana wrote:

I don't think that follows. You have a license
to use one copy of the software, just as you
buy a single license when you buy a book or
record album or architectural blueprints. That
doesn't give them the right to change what
they sold you. Nor does it give them a right
to look at your private files. Those are *your*
intellectual property.

A very poor comparision. Rights for each of your comparisions are unique
to each, not comparable to support a common right for each.

Which 'private' files does MSFT 'look at' ?

.. Like Albert, the OP. He's sort of outraged.
On the other hand, he's not sure what to think.

Looks like Albert decided that W10 on the wife's device was the
preferred route.

Microsoft gets away with these things through
mickey mouse EULAs and the newness of the medium,
but that doesn't mean they have a right to.


And by reading the above you've agreed to agree
that everything I wrote is not only fully correct, but
absolutely brilliant.


Doesn't look like it had any impact at all.

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On 3/14/2016 1:28 AM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Good Guy wrote:

2) go to Settings and change it to something like this:


Reschedule start of puter
http://s27.postimg.org/jdusuznur/2016_03_14_0128.png


There is evidence that this setting will ensure you don't get bothered
for months!!!

Nope.

That setting will continue to bother for reschedule or restart.

No evidence exists that configuring for a restart will prevent 'getting
bothered for months'

Windows Pro users have additional options to 'Defer'. Try comparing
Defer and Restart options. Once done, then let us know if evidence
exists on Restart ensuring 'you don't get bothered for months'

There are lots of reasons to restart while doing something.
My experience has been that ANY reboot will install updates, no matter
what you deferred. About all you can do is sit there so you can click
"continue" several places during the update. Having an hour or more of
lost productivity is not acceptable.

mike wrote:
On 3/14/2016 1:28 AM, ...winston wrote:
Good Guy wrote:

2) go to Settings and change it to something like this:


Reschedule start of puter
http://s27.postimg.org/jdusuznur/2016_03_14_0128.png


There is evidence that this setting will ensure you don't get bothered
for months!!!

Nope.

That setting will continue to bother for reschedule or restart.

No evidence exists that configuring for a restart will prevent 'getting
bothered for months'

Windows Pro users have additional options to 'Defer'. Try comparing
Defer and Restart options. Once done, then let us know if evidence
exists on Restart ensuring 'you don't get bothered for months'

There are lots of reasons to restart while doing something.
My experience has been that ANY reboot will install updates, no matter
what you deferred. About all you can do is sit there so you can click
"continue" several places during the update. Having an hour or more of
lost productivity is not acceptable.


There are things you can do to make an Update go faster..

1) Open Services, and modify Windows Search. Change
the recovery options to "Take No Action" (all three)
on a failure, then click Stop. The SearchIndexer, even
in Paused state (because it senses the user is present),
wastes cycles and degraded performance. Turn it off.

2) Open the Windows Defender Control Panel, and disable
Real Time protection. This has a more muted effect
and doesn't do as much good.

Those two, can cut your run time in half.

During the restart, the handling of PendingDeletes,
I've got nothing to help with that. There could well
be interfering processes, but no interface you can
use to tame them.

Paul

On 3/14/2016 2:58 AM, Paul wrote:
mike wrote:
On 3/14/2016 1:28 AM, ...winston wrote:
Good Guy wrote:

2) go to Settings and change it to something like this:


Reschedule start of puter
http://s27.postimg.org/jdusuznur/2016_03_14_0128.png


There is evidence that this setting will ensure you don't get bothered
for months!!!

Nope.

That setting will continue to bother for reschedule or restart.

No evidence exists that configuring for a restart will prevent 'getting
bothered for months'

Windows Pro users have additional options to 'Defer'. Try comparing
Defer and Restart options. Once done, then let us know if evidence
exists on Restart ensuring 'you don't get bothered for months'

There are lots of reasons to restart while doing something.
My experience has been that ANY reboot will install updates, no matter
what you deferred. About all you can do is sit there so you can click
"continue" several places during the update. Having an hour or more
of lost productivity is not acceptable.


There are things you can do to make an Update go faster..

1) Open Services, and modify Windows Search. Change
the recovery options to "Take No Action" (all three)
on a failure, then click Stop. The SearchIndexer, even
in Paused state (because it senses the user is present),
wastes cycles and degraded performance. Turn it off.

2) Open the Windows Defender Control Panel, and disable
Real Time protection. This has a more muted effect
and doesn't do as much good.

Those two, can cut your run time in half.

During the restart, the handling of PendingDeletes,
I've got nothing to help with that. There could well
be interfering processes, but no interface you can
use to tame them.

Paul
Thanks for the input, I'll do that, but that's not the point.
Windows asked me when to schedule the update.
I told windows when to schedule the update.
Windows did NOT honor our agreement.
That's an easy fix at the MS end. One IF-statement
in the boot process?????

I should not have to jump thru hoops at my end.
Someone at MS needs to care about the massive
loss of productivity they're causing and do what
they can without interfering with their mandate to
INVADE MY machine.

On 3/14/2016 2:27 AM, John Doe wrote:
Albert wrote

Anyway, we talked about bumping up to Windows 10 and why she was
reluctant to do so and she explained she didn't want to have to learn
a whole new set of operating procedures.

It's not likely to bother ordinary users much. That is, unless the
system gets messed up by the upgrade. Then it's a big problem.

Now that you have migrated to W10 if you or your wife wants the look and
feel of W7 or W8 while running W10 you might want to give Start 8 or
Classic Start Menu.

You can have Start8 for $4.99 or Classic Start for Free. Both have
their followers as well as detractors and some who hate the thought of
using either.

Start8 - www.stardock.com/products/
Classic Start - www.classicshell.net

On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 15:05:02 -0600, Albert
wrote:

I have 2 PC computers that I primarily use where as my wife has one.
Both of my PC's are running Windows 10 was all updates however my wife
has resisted going to 10. I can understand why because of the way she
uses her computer.

Every time that MS has queried as to whether she wants to upgrade she
or I have refused. Saturday morning she went in to do her stuff and
found out that Microsoft had summarily installed 10 and if she did not
want it she had to request to return to the previous OS (8.1) which I
did. It took about 35 to 40 minutes to get her computer back the way
it was. And so far she hasn't noticed if anything is messed up. We
have our fingers crossed.

QUESTION: how can Microsoft or any other entity go into her computer
and do what they did without her knowledge or permission?

Oh, and by the way her computer is a HP they came with Windows OS on
it when she bought it.

Thank you,
Albert

8 and 10 both suck. I'll stay with 7. It's real nice.