Windows 10 automatically installed itself.

| | Which 'private' files does MSFT 'look at' ?
| |
| Which ones don't they look at?
| I thought you knew the answer.
|

I stand by my statement and see no reason to
debate it with you. The facts are out there. Anyone
who cares can read the privacy terms and EULA
for themselves, then draw their own conclusions.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/priva...t/default.aspx

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Usete...10_English.htm

(I should note that MS reserves the right to change
their terms at will and have them legally binding,
despite no one having agreed to such changes. You
auto-agree through the act of their posting. The
latest version of their privacy terms is 1/2016. The
copy I have is 7/2015. I'm guessing the recent one
is worse, but I haven't compared them.)

On 3/14/2016 6:03 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
mike wrote:
On 3/14/2016 2:58 AM, Paul wrote:
mike wrote:
On 3/14/2016 1:28 AM, ...winston wrote:
Good Guy wrote:

2) go to Settings and change it to something like this:


Reschedule start of puter
http://s27.postimg.org/jdusuznur/2016_03_14_0128.png


There is evidence that this setting will ensure you don't get
bothered
for months!!!

Nope.

That setting will continue to bother for reschedule or restart.

No evidence exists that configuring for a restart will prevent
'getting
bothered for months'

Windows Pro users have additional options to 'Defer'. Try comparing
Defer and Restart options. Once done, then let us know if evidence
exists on Restart ensuring 'you don't get bothered for months'

There are lots of reasons to restart while doing something.
My experience has been that ANY reboot will install updates, no matter
what you deferred. About all you can do is sit there so you can click
"continue" several places during the update. Having an hour or more
of lost productivity is not acceptable.


There are things you can do to make an Update go faster..

1) Open Services, and modify Windows Search. Change
the recovery options to "Take No Action" (all three)
on a failure, then click Stop. The SearchIndexer, even
in Paused state (because it senses the user is present),
wastes cycles and degraded performance. Turn it off.

2) Open the Windows Defender Control Panel, and disable
Real Time protection. This has a more muted effect
and doesn't do as much good.

Those two, can cut your run time in half.

During the restart, the handling of PendingDeletes,
I've got nothing to help with that. There could well
be interfering processes, but no interface you can
use to tame them.

Paul
Thanks for the input, I'll do that, but that's not the point.
Windows asked me when to schedule the update.
I told windows when to schedule the update.
Windows did NOT honor our agreement.
That's an easy fix at the MS end. One IF-statement
in the boot process?????

I should not have to jump thru hoops at my end.
Someone at MS needs to care about the massive
loss of productivity they're causing and do what
they can without interfering with their mandate to
INVADE MY machine.

The ability to schedule the restart is limited. The software, iirc, is
designed to allow a short term delay, but not indefinitely and only for
so many user configured delays.

I'm not asking for anything more than that. If we agree to update my
system at 3AM and I reboot at midnight, it takes only one IF statement
to determine that it's not yet time to do the update. Should be trivial
to fix. Problem is that MS doesn't care one bit about wasting my time.
Multiply that by how many million users? A couple of million man hours
should be plenty to fix desktop linux so it could REPLACE windows.

If you read it carefully,
the GUI does not allow me to defer/schedule the update. It allows me to
defer/schedule the RESTART. Net result is the same...WASTED TIME.

Windows Pro, unlike Home, has more options including GPO settings.

mike wrote:


If you read it carefully,
the GUI does not allow me to defer/schedule the update. It allows me to
defer/schedule the RESTART. Net result is the same...WASTED TIME.

You want this option.

http://www.computerworld.com/article...ws-10-pro.html

Paul

Mayayana wrote:
| | Which 'private' files does MSFT 'look at' ?
| |
| Which ones don't they look at?
| I thought you knew the answer.
|

I stand by my statement and see no reason to
debate it with you. The facts are out there. Anyone
who cares can read the privacy terms and EULA
for themselves, then draw their own conclusions.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/priva...t/default.aspx

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Usete...10_English.htm

(I should note that MS reserves the right to change
their terms at will and have them legally binding,
despite no one having agreed to such changes.
Anyone using Windows or Windows services, by use, agrees and thereby
permits to make changes. It is what it is and has been for some time.

You
auto-agree through the act of their posting. The
latest version of their privacy terms is 1/2016. The
copy I have is 7/2015. I'm guessing the recent one
is worse, but I haven't compared them.)

As services evolve, so does the landscape to which it applies.

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mike wrote:
On 3/14/2016 6:03 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
mike wrote:
On 3/14/2016 2:58 AM, Paul wrote:
mike wrote:
On 3/14/2016 1:28 AM, ...winston wrote:
Good Guy wrote:

2) go to Settings and change it to something like this:


Reschedule start of puter
http://s27.postimg.org/jdusuznur/2016_03_14_0128.png


There is evidence that this setting will ensure you don't get
bothered
for months!!!

Nope.

That setting will continue to bother for reschedule or restart.

No evidence exists that configuring for a restart will prevent
'getting
bothered for months'

Windows Pro users have additional options to 'Defer'. Try comparing
Defer and Restart options. Once done, then let us know if evidence
exists on Restart ensuring 'you don't get bothered for months'

There are lots of reasons to restart while doing something.
My experience has been that ANY reboot will install updates, no matter
what you deferred. About all you can do is sit there so you can click
"continue" several places during the update. Having an hour or more
of lost productivity is not acceptable.


There are things you can do to make an Update go faster..

1) Open Services, and modify Windows Search. Change
the recovery options to "Take No Action" (all three)
on a failure, then click Stop. The SearchIndexer, even
in Paused state (because it senses the user is present),
wastes cycles and degraded performance. Turn it off.

2) Open the Windows Defender Control Panel, and disable
Real Time protection. This has a more muted effect
and doesn't do as much good.

Those two, can cut your run time in half.

During the restart, the handling of PendingDeletes,
I've got nothing to help with that. There could well
be interfering processes, but no interface you can
use to tame them.

Paul
Thanks for the input, I'll do that, but that's not the point.
Windows asked me when to schedule the update.
I told windows when to schedule the update.
Windows did NOT honor our agreement.
That's an easy fix at the MS end. One IF-statement
in the boot process?????

I should not have to jump thru hoops at my end.
Someone at MS needs to care about the massive
loss of productivity they're causing and do what
they can without interfering with their mandate to
INVADE MY machine.

The ability to schedule the restart is limited. The software, iirc, is
designed to allow a short term delay, but not indefinitely and only for
so many user configured delays.

I'm not asking for anything more than that. If we agree to update my
system at 3AM and I reboot at midnight, it takes only one IF statement
to determine that it's not yet time to do the update. Should be trivial
to fix. Problem is that MS doesn't care one bit about wasting my time.
Multiply that by how many million users? A couple of million man hours
should be plenty to fix desktop linux so it could REPLACE windows.

If you read it carefully,
the GUI does not allow me to defer/schedule the update. It allows me to
defer/schedule the RESTART. Net result is the same...WASTED TIME.

Windows Pro, unlike Home, has more options including GPO settings.


That's the weakness(no Defer option) of Win10 Home, only an option in
W10 Pro and higher.
Another issue to consider across both editions - A Restart is not the
same as a Shutdown (one of the reasons its called a Restart and why both
are available options on the Start Menu/Power item). Some folks turn on
the pc in the A.M. and shutdown at night in some cases still needing a
Restart to finish installing updates - in cases like this - Win10 has
the ability to override the user Restart setting if Windows needs the
balance of files not fully updated (i..e part of the update occurs
during the install, the balance after the restart)

If you've Pro then as Paul noted, this is what you want
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=529169
or the direct link instead of the above search result
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-in-windows-10


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msft mvp windows experience

On 13/03/2016 23:52, philo wrote:
On 03/13/2016 04:05 PM, Albert wrote:
I have 2 PC computers that I primarily use where as my wife has one.
Both of my PC's are running Windows 10 was all updates however my wife
has resisted going to 10. I can understand why because of the way she
uses her computer.

Every time that MS has queried as to whether she wants to upgrade she
or I have refused. Saturday morning she went in to do her stuff and
found out that Microsoft had summarily installed 10 and if she did not
want it she had to request to return to the previous OS (8.1) which I
did. It took about 35 to 40 minutes to get her computer back the way
it was. And so far she hasn't noticed if anything is messed up. We
have our fingers crossed.

QUESTION: how can Microsoft or any other entity go into her computer
and do what they did without her knowledge or permission?

Oh, and by the way her computer is a HP they came with Windows OS on
it when she bought it.




Sheesh

look at this

http://www.pcworld.com/article/29831...it-anyway.html


You may enjoy this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCqw9FmBgKY

On 3/14/2016 9:51 PM, Paul wrote:
mike wrote:


If you read it carefully,
the GUI does not allow me to defer/schedule the update. It allows me to
defer/schedule the RESTART. Net result is the same...WASTED TIME.

You want this option.

http://www.computerworld.com/article...ws-10-pro.html


Paul

thanks,
You've posted this before. I still don't understand how it works.

Assume I defer updates for 4 weeks on the first of the month.
If an update shows up on the second of the month, when does it get
forced onto me?
If an additional update shows up on the tenth, when does it get forced
on me?

Can I install the delayed updates on the 17th? If so, what happens
to the update that shows up on the 20th?

It's possible that all the change does is to time shift everything
by a month and still FORCE install it at an inopportune time?

What I want is very simple.
Give me a button that says "check for updates".
Give me an honest description of what pain each update will inflict.
When I want one of the updates, I'll install it.
Otherwise STFU and quit screwing with my computer.
MS has lost my trust. I'm sure that doesn't bother them one bit.

I loaded an app from the store onto a win8.1 phone.
It put an ad on the screen flashing at a very annoying rate.
I accidentally clicked it and it hijacked my system and took me
down a rat hole into advertising hell. Back button quit working.
There seemed no escape. Took me half an hour
to get out of it and delete the browser history so it didn't come
back every time I started the browser.

I've had very similar experiences with Android phone ads, but the
buttons keep working and it's relatively easy to back out of it.

This behavior is coming to your desktop windows system!! It'll be hidden
in an innocuous looking update forced on you when you least
expect it.

On 2016-03-15, winston‫ wrote:
Anyone using Windows or Windows services, by use, agrees and thereby
permits to make changes. It is what it is and has been for some time.

Absolutely true - and one of the reasons I don't use Microsoft products.

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On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 01:21:12 -0700, mike wrote:

What I want is very simple.
Give me a button that says "check for updates".
Give me an honest description of what pain each update will inflict.
When I want one of the updates, I'll install it.
Otherwise STFU and quit screwing with my computer.
MS has lost my trust. I'm sure that doesn't bother them one bit.

Your requirements aren't compatible with Windows 10.
Your second requirement is no longer available at all.

I'm in general agreement with what you're requesting, so my primary desktop
PC will stay on Win 7 SP1, while my work laptop will stay on Win 8.x, which
is what it came with. No Win 10 digital entitlements for me, thank you. I've
looked at Win 10 in a VM and wasn't impressed.

Albert posted this via
:

I have 2 PC computers that I primarily use where as my wife has one.
Both of my PC's are running Windows 10 was all updates however my wife
has resisted going to 10. I can understand why because of the way she
uses her computer.

Every time that MS has queried as to whether she wants to upgrade she
or I have refused. Saturday morning she went in to do her stuff and
found out that Microsoft had summarily installed 10 and if she did not
want it she had to request to return to the previous OS (8.1) which I
did. It took about 35 to 40 minutes to get her computer back the way
it was. And so far she hasn't noticed if anything is messed up. We
have our fingers crossed.

QUESTION: how can Microsoft or any other entity go into her computer
and do what they did without her knowledge or permission?

Oh, and by the way her computer is a HP they came with Windows OS on
it when she bought it.

Thank you,
Albert

Microsoft has the legal right to force you to use Windows 10 but they are
trying to be nice about it by advertising on television with little kids
and bugs in their ads to soften you up some. Windows 10, get used to it!

Resistance is futile.

Please post some more nekkid pikktures of yer wife. TIA.

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Rock - Paper - Scissors - Twitter War - Concealed Firearm

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On 3/15/2016 10:52 AM, Bucky Breeder wrote:
Microsoft has the legal right to force you to use Windows 10 but they are
trying to be nice about it by advertising on television with little kids
and bugs in their ads to soften you up some. Windows 10, get used to it!

Resistance is futile.

Please post some more nekkid pikktures of yer wife. TIA.
My biggest problem with Windows 10 is that MS controls when the update
occurs, not you. Most of the time this is not a problem, however when
it occurs when you are in the middle of something important is really
puts you off of MS.

Recent occurrences as I was sitting in a meeting ready to make a
presentation and the computer which the presentation decided it was time
to reboot. The most frustrating was on a recent Sunday morning
We use a computer to control the audio visual system for the church
series. Half way through the service MS decided it was time to update
the computer. The whole system was down for the rest of the service.

This is not a way to make friends and influence people.

On 3/15/2016 8:44 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 3/15/2016 10:52 AM, Bucky Breeder wrote:
Microsoft has the legal right to force you to use Windows 10 but they are
trying to be nice about it by advertising on television with little kids
and bugs in their ads to soften you up some. Windows 10, get used to it!

Resistance is futile.

Please post some more nekkid pikktures of yer wife. TIA.
My biggest problem with Windows 10 is that MS controls when the update
occurs, not you. Most of the time this is not a problem, however when
it occurs when you are in the middle of something important is really
puts you off of MS.

Recent occurrences as I was sitting in a meeting ready to make a
presentation and the computer which the presentation decided it was time
to reboot. The most frustrating was on a recent Sunday morning
We use a computer to control the audio visual system for the church
series. Half way through the service MS decided it was time to update
the computer. The whole system was down for the rest of the service.

This is not a way to make friends and influence people.

It's gonna be very interesting to see what happens when someone dies
because the emergency system was down for an unstoppable update.

We create draconian knee-jerk laws if a single kid gets run over by a
drunk driver.
Wonder what laws we'll get when baby Jessica's death can be blamed on a
MS computer incursion. The army of MS lawyers probably considers
that an acceptable risk.

On 3/15/2016 7:20 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 01:21:12 -0700, mike wrote:

What I want is very simple.
Give me a button that says "check for updates".
Give me an honest description of what pain each update will inflict.
When I want one of the updates, I'll install it.
Otherwise STFU and quit screwing with my computer.
MS has lost my trust. I'm sure that doesn't bother them one bit.

Your requirements aren't compatible with Windows 10.
Your second requirement is no longer available at all.

I'm in general agreement with what you're requesting, so my primary desktop
PC will stay on Win 7 SP1, while my work laptop will stay on Win 8.x, which
is what it came with. No Win 10 digital entitlements for me, thank you. I've
looked at Win 10 in a VM and wasn't impressed.

We agree on that, BUT, there will come a day when you MUST have
windows 10 to do something of value to you. When that day comes, and it
will,
you're gonna kick yourself because you didn't get FREE digital entitlements
for all 10 of your computers when you had the chance. All it takes
is a spare hard drive and a LOT of calendar time. Not much actual
user time required, once you get the hang of it.

And, when I come to your garage sale, I'm gonna offer you a LOT less
because they won't run win10.

On 2016-03-15, mike wrote:
We agree on that, BUT, there will come a day when you MUST have
windows 10 to do something of value to you. When that day comes, and it
will,

Speak for yourself. I can guarantee you that I will have no need of it.

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On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 09:27:32 -0700, mike wrote:

On 3/15/2016 7:20 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 01:21:12 -0700, mike wrote:

What I want is very simple.
Give me a button that says "check for updates".
Give me an honest description of what pain each update will inflict.
When I want one of the updates, I'll install it.
Otherwise STFU and quit screwing with my computer.
MS has lost my trust. I'm sure that doesn't bother them one bit.

Your requirements aren't compatible with Windows 10.
Your second requirement is no longer available at all.

I'm in general agreement with what you're requesting, so my primary desktop
PC will stay on Win 7 SP1, while my work laptop will stay on Win 8.x, which
is what it came with. No Win 10 digital entitlements for me, thank you. I've
looked at Win 10 in a VM and wasn't impressed.

We agree on that, BUT, there will come a day when you MUST have
windows 10 to do something of value to you. When that day comes, and it
will,

Highly doubtful. Besides, everyone who's jumping on the whole digital
entitlement thing just in case there eventually comes a day when they'll be
glad they did should consider that if/when that day finally comes, will they
even still have the computer that they digitally entitled back in 2015-2016?
In many cases, probably not.

Windows 7 still has nearly 4 years of supported life ahead of it, and more
years of unsupported life after that. Windows 10 being "free" doesn't come
close to enticing me to switch now. I'm willing to reassess in 2020 but for
now the choice is clear.