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  #91  
Old March 16th 16, 08:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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Default Windows 10 automatically installed itself.

| Win 10 lacks drivers for older hardware, and
| so forces unintended peripheral upgrades that are undesired.
|

| Drivers are not a part of Windows 10, nor any other version of
| Windows. Driver are written by the hardware manufacturer, and if a
| driver doesn't exist for older hardware on a newer version of Windows,
| it's because the manufacturer has decided that it's not worth his time
| and effort to develop software for a product he's no longer selling.
|

Which is saying the same thing. If you buy
Win10 and then can't use your printer, it
doesn't much matter who didn't write the
driver.


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  #92  
Old March 16th 16, 08:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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Default Windows 10 automatically installed itself.

| Seems to me that shifting the driver's functions to the printer itself
| would boost competition around the ancillary features such as double
| sided printing, auto-collation, etc. Not to mention economy,
| reliability, and such.
|
| I'd pay a premium for such a machine. Wouldn't you?

No. Woops. My new printer can't handle files from my
oldish word processor. What you're talking about is having
an OS in the printer, with interpreting software for all
known file types, on all known OSs.


  #93  
Old March 16th 16, 09:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Windows 10 automatically installed itself.

Ed Mullen wrote:
On 3/15/2016 11:58 PM, Paul's fingers rattled off:
Ed Mullen wrote:
On 3/15/2016 4:23 PM, Mark Lloyd's fingers rattled off:
On 03/15/2016 09:20 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

[snip]

I'm in general agreement with what you're requesting, so my primary
desktop
PC will stay on Win 7 SP1, while my work laptop will stay on Win 8.x,
which
is what it came with. No Win 10 digital entitlements for me, thank
you. I've
looked at Win 10 in a VM and wasn't impressed.


I put Win 10 (IIRC it was 9926 at first) on a VM. I have started it
for.

1. Check to see it it works.
2. Try to set it up properly
3. See if my website looks OK in Edge

Edge? Who cares?

I did a clean install of W10 and Edge doesn't even have a shortcut on
the Quick Launch, the Toolbar, the Start Menu ... nowhere to be found.

Click on the executable on C:? won't launch. Do you think I'm going
to worry about how my Web sites look an a browser I can't launch on a
clean install of an OS? I don't f*ing think so.

W10 is so disfunctional it makes Arnie on LS Law look sane.

Okay, sorry for the horribly outdated reference but I couldn't think
of a more recent analogy. Just watched like 5 episodes of The
Leftovers and my brain is still reeling.

Oh, and BTW, I did clean installs on two systems with the same results
vis-a-vis Edge. As I said: Who cares?

If Edge is standards compatible I'm okay because my sites are W3
compliant. If not? Well the 3 people who use Edge to surf? shrug


The funny part of the thread here, is a suggested workaround.

You can ask Cortana to "start Edge" and Cortana can do it for you :-)


Not if, like me, you have Cortana turned off. :-)

But, I just did Start - Search - Edge. Clicked the found Edge button. It
launched, was on screen about two seconds and terminated. Which is what
it's always done since I updated to W10.


Have you looked in Control Panel : Troubleshooting ?

I like to look in there for the amusement value,
rather than expecting something in there to fix the
setup. But, it's worth a shot.

I expect somewhere on your setup, it's logging "a registration
problem". Metro Apps have some sort of validation as part
of the launch sequence, which is why manually trying to run
some EXE you find, won't work. And that's where that silly
re-registration Powershell command comes in, for restoring
whatever signature scheme it uses. It isn't regsvr32 or anything.
It's a different kind of registration (for authenticity or
something).

Paul

  #94  
Old March 17th 16, 03:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Windows 10 automatically installed itself.

On 3/16/16 11:37 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-03-16 12:21, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 04:44:30 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
wrote:

Win 10 lacks drivers for older hardware, and
so forces unintended peripheral upgrades that are undesired.




Drivers are not a part of Windows 10, nor any other version of
Windows. Driver are written by the hardware manufacturer, and if a
driver doesn't exist for older hardware on a newer version of Windows,
it's because the manufacturer has decided that it's not worth his time
and effort to develop software for a product he's no longer selling.


As I understand it, a driver doesn't do much. It translates the file
into printable data and hands it over to the OS, which handles the
actual data transfer. Mfrs provide printers capable of high-quality
output, but it appears their methods are incompatible, so that the
printable data generated from a file has to be different for different
printers. The result is that a universal driver seems to be impossible.


Universal printer drivers would be dead before being born. I think it
would prevent one manufacturer from offering different features, like
duplex printing. Or adding color and not just B&W.

It would also mean every printer would have to use the same "language",
say PCL from HP. In this type of situation, do you thing HP would give
that away for free?

But I don't think it is. There is no reason that the translation into
printable data has to be done outside the printer, by the computer or
mother device. A universal printer would have firmware that can accept
any kind of file, and translate it into printable data on-board. No
driver required, merely a channel for sending files to the printer.
Imagine! Send any file, with or without instructions such as "print to
highest quality", and let the printer do its thing.


WHOA! Talk about going back to the dark ages!!! This is exactly the
way most early lasers worked. You had to have CPU chip and RAM in the
printer. Naturally, the CPU wasn't as good as what was in the computer.
And the amount of RAM affected the quality of printed output. I owned
an HP LJ4 and had to double the RAM from 8MB to 16MB to get some of my
documents to print. All greyscale. Imagine how much RAM you would need
to do some color prints these days. What do you think would happen to
the price of the printers. Shoot, you're duplicating hardware resources.

A few people back then had the forward thinking idea of letting the
power of the computer "build" the printed image in computer RAM and then
sending the image to the laser. No CPU or RAM in the printer at all.
Think back to the days of laserjets with a max dpi of 300. Here in the
US, people tended to avoid Atari computers, but not so in Europe. Often
at the larger computer shows, there would be an Atari computer with an
SLM804 laser sitting next to a DOS box with HP Laserjet. Both printers
300 dpi. A document that would take 2-3 minutes to just start printing
the Laserjet would be done in a half minute or so. Why? Because the
power of the computer + RAM built the printed page, not the printer.

In those days, my Atari had a gigabyte of RAM when DOS was struggling
with the 640KB limit.

And the output was better because the Atari system varied the printer
dot placement for a particular shade of grey, where the HP always used
the same printer dot and if your eyes were good enough, you could see
that with no magnifying glass.

There were names for those methods of putting the dots on paper, but I
can't ferret them out of this old brain.

The top of the line Atari was the TT 030. They just can't be found
these days. I saw a pristine one sell on ebay for $5k. Most seemed to
sell for around $1500, though. That's more than they cost new IIRC.

Foolishly, I gave mine away. One of my bigger computer mistakes. :-(

A true plug'n'play
machine, that could/would print anything from any connected source. Of
course, it would require collaboration between software and printer
mfrs, which is unlikely, given the paranoid jealousy surrounding
"intellectual property". Which is a whole 'nother thread.

Seems to me that shifting the driver's functions to the printer itself
would boost competition around the ancillary features such as double
sided printing, auto-collation, etc. Not to mention economy,
reliability, and such.

I'd pay a premium for such a machine. Wouldn't you?


You used to do just that. G


Have a good day,



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  #95  
Old March 17th 16, 03:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Windows 10 automatically installed itself.

On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 00:01:59 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 15:36:14 -0600, Albert wrote:

1st off I don't keep anything on my computer that I would not want
someone to see. I don't do any banking or any other personal business
on the Internet. I don't keep any photographs that would be construed
to be X-rated.

But I do resent knowing that someone would have access to my private
stuff. MS assures me that they don't and won't access any files of
that type because they have no interest in it.


Regarding that last sentence, I'd have a very hard time getting comfortable
with that. Which would you prefer, an organization that "don't and won't"
because they have no interest, or an organization that "don't and won't"
because they can't?

I'm not saying that earlier versions of Windows are brick fortresses, but
they kind of are when you compare them to Microsoft's current offering.

What's in Win 10 that makes all of the problems worth it? What am I missing?


Well, I jumped from Windows XP straight to Windows 8.1 and don't know
anything about in between so maybe it's out of ignorance but I jump to
Windows 10. My computer is a tool/toy that I don't use to make a
living with so it isn't imperative that I have to have it at a moments
notice.

Which reminds me I still have Windows 8.1 full version 32/64 on my
shelf.

I can remember people complaining when Windows XP came out about the
need for it and then when 8/8.1 came out it was the same song and
dance.

To answer your question, I just did it because could and I wanted to
and that answer would apply to most of my life ;-).

I've had a few applications that once bought all updates/upgrades were
furnished. But, Microsoft in the past had essentially charge people
for the update/upgrades down through the years. If I'm not mistaken
Windows 10 is an exception?
  #96  
Old March 17th 16, 06:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Default Windows 10 automatically installed itself.

On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 20:46:44 -0600, Albert
wrote:


I can remember people complaining when Windows XP came out about the
need for it and then when 8/8.1 came out it was the same song and
dance.



A very strong ditto! It happens with every new release!
  #97  
Old March 17th 16, 08:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Default Windows 10 automatically installed itself.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:04:05 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 20:46:44 -0600, Albert
wrote:


I can remember people complaining when Windows XP came out about the
need for it and then when 8/8.1 came out it was the same song and
dance.



A very strong ditto! It happens with every new release!


Unfortunately, most of the complaints are probably valid with every new
release, especially with regards to 8 and doubly especially 10.

  #98  
Old March 17th 16, 09:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Windows 10 automatically installed itself.

On 03/13/16 14:05, Albert so wittily quipped:
I have 2 PC computers that I primarily use where as my wife has one.
Both of my PC's are running Windows 10 was all updates however my wife
has resisted going to 10. I can understand why because of the way she
uses her computer.

Every time that MS has queried as to whether she wants to upgrade she
or I have refused. Saturday morning she went in to do her stuff and
found out that Microsoft had summarily installed 10 and if she did not
want it she had to request to return to the previous OS (8.1) which I
did. It took about 35 to 40 minutes to get her computer back the way
it was. And so far she hasn't noticed if anything is messed up. We
have our fingers crossed.

QUESTION: how can Microsoft or any other entity go into her computer
and do what they did without her knowledge or permission?


They are the Borg. Your *WANTED* operating system will be assimilated.
GWX is the policy. Resistance is FUTILE.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03...x_vs_humanity/

Oh, and by the way her computer is a HP they came with Windows OS on
it when she bought it.


KB3035583 and KB2952664 appear to be at the heart of the problem. Some
people use 'GWX Control Panel' to get rid of that ****.

Microsoft needs a ****ING CLUE-BAT applied to the HEAD OF ASS-HOLINESS
in their GWX department.



  #99  
Old March 17th 16, 09:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Big Bad Bob
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On 03/13/16 14:31, Good Guy so wittily quipped:
On 13/03/2016 21:05, Albert wrote:

QUESTION: how can Microsoft or any other entity go into her computer
and do what they did without her knowledge or permission?


Microsoft or any other entity CAN'T get into your computer if you have
some common sense of cofiguring your machine so that no programs can be
installed without your express permission.

You say you are using Windows 7 and so there is a way to stop automatic
updates but people like you don't seem to know anything about computers
despite these have been around since the 1980s. Some of us weren't even
born then but we have known how to control our machines so that nothing
is installed on it unless we want to install something.

Now do some research how to configure your machine and your wife;s
machine so that none of you get automatic updates.

Some of us are already on Windows 10 and we love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


/me recognizes the fanboi minority

HOw about the *REST* of us, you know the 42% still using 7, the 10% or
so still using 8.x, and the "non-14%" using NOT windows 10 ???

MUST we get it SHOVED UP OUR ASSES by GWX ???


  #100  
Old March 17th 16, 10:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 03/13/16 18:44, Good Guy so wittily quipped:
On 13/03/2016 23:45, Moss Grimmik wrote:

Could You tell me how to disable updates in Windows 10?


Two ways:

1) You can disable automatic updates completely by going to Services and
from their look for an item called Windows Update. Right-click on it
and choose disable.

Windows-Update http://s15.postimg.org/mvuzvor23/2016_03_14_0133.png

I like windows update so I have got it as default.


/me points you YOU! CANNOT! DO! THIS! IN! WIN-10-NIC!

  #101  
Old March 17th 16, 11:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:19:59 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:04:05 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 20:46:44 -0600, Albert
wrote:


I can remember people complaining when Windows XP came out about the
need for it and then when 8/8.1 came out it was the same song and
dance.



A very strong ditto! It happens with every new release!


Unfortunately, most of the complaints are probably valid with every new
release, especially with regards to 8 and doubly especially 10.




I don't want to get into an argument over this, so suffice it to say
that I don't agree.
  #102  
Old March 18th 16, 07:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Windows 10 automatically installed itself.

I wrote:

Paul wrote:


Install this, click the button.

http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/201...ly-remove.html


Looks good.


Works good, so far. I will use it when stuff needs to be removed. Will
run it anytime after checking for Windows updates. No need to worry
about MS sneaking the whole thing onto my system, not going to happen.
Even if it did, I've always got backups.
  #103  
Old March 26th 16, 09:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.usenet,free.spirit
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On 03/13/2016 07:23 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:


[snip]

Remember the Bible says "Do unto others as you would have others do unto
you."


That "golden rule" does NOT originate in the bible (almost nothing of any
importance does), but was around much earlier than that.


Yeah, it's an amusing fairy tale.

And the 10 commandments; rules written by the weak.

We were given free will with no conditions. God has no problems with what
we do, but society does.











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Cannibal left trolls refer to stuff older or more authoritative
than the Bible, but of course they never provide references...

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On 03/13/2016 07:23 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

[snip]

Remember the Bible says "Do unto others as you would have others do unto
you."


That "golden rule" does NOT originate in the bible (almost nothing of
any importance does), but was around much earlier than that.

BTW, so, if you're suicidal you should kill everybody? That's what that
[expletive deleted] rule says.



















 




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