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Old September 9th 17, 03:39 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps, alt.comp.os.windows-10, rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Sep 8, 2017, Chaya Eve wrote
(in article ):

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:32:45 +1200, Your wrote:

In terms of just embedding fonts, you can sometimes get around that by
changing the text using those fonts to outlines (e.g. in Adobe
Illustrator or InDesign) or creating a bitmap image of the text (e.g.
in Adobe Photoshop or any graphics appliction). InDesign specifically
warns you that you can't embed some fonts when trying to create a PDF
using them.


If necessary, outlines should work because we are only going to print to
plastic cutouts to lay on the 12"x18" steel sign surface.

BUT it may still be against the font's license agreement to do even
that. As always, you have to carefully read all the smallprint, but the
problem is that it's often buried in so much legalese that it's
near-impossible for any normal person to understand it. :-\


Since "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" is a common free font for road signs, the
"small print" is almost non existent. The font is freely available
everywhere, where a simple search turns it up in scores of web sites.

But nowhere is the license agreement in the least complex.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/search?q=roadgeek


Digging through that site I find the following related to use of this font in
web sites:
First the licence is a Creative Commons “BY” license which only demands
attribution.

The manner of attribution for a web site is to include the following:
http://www.onlinewebfonts.com font by Michael D. Adams is licensed by
CC BY 3.0"

The license says:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact."


That sounds pretty specific. However, this download site states; “License:
unknown” and is less specific than the onlinewebfonts.com license.
http://www.fontpalace.com/font-details/Roadgeek+2005+Series+B/

So that site fails to meet the minimum CC BY 3.0 license requirement.

The copyright says:
"Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."


That seems to be the simplest statement of attribution, and the only
requirement of the Collective Commons “BY” 3.0 license.

So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?


To cover all bases to be within the spirit of the CC license, I would add a
CYA page to your Power Point presentation which states the following, or
words to that effect:
Roadgeek 2005 Series B Copyright © Michael D. Adams, 2005. All Rights
Reserved. License CC by.”


I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only
way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was
certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before
"web fonts" came along.


I understand that you're saying to use a bitmat block image (picture) of
the text in PowerPoint that is distributed.

But how is that done?

Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint?


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Old September 9th 17, 03:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

Good Guy:
This is a Windows 10 newsgroup,


Chaya Eve wrote:
It's also a Mac newsgroup where the problem is that the Macs can't handle
fonts as well as Windows does (and where some users are on the Mac).


"First off, if you use a Mac version of Office, you can skip the rest of
this page. Mac PowerPoint can't embed fonts, and it can't use fonts that
have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint....


It's quite a stretch to say that Macs can't handle fonts as well as
Windows! Apple (inventor of desktop publishing *and* of TrueType fonts,
the basis for Open Type) is not to blame because MS crippled the Mac
versions of their office suite. They had to; if MSOffice for the
superior Mac OS had all the features of the Windows version that would
be the end of Windows in the enterprise.

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you will say in your entire life.

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Old September 9th 17, 04:00 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 21:54:27 -0400, Mayayana
wrote:

I would interpret that to mean that you need to
include a copy of the license when you distribute the
font. I have a number like that, which I've downloaded
from font sites.


I interpret that the same, so it's easily enough done to add a page to the
multi-page PowerPoint presentation stating what Savageduck kindly also
suggested:
"Roadgeek 2005 Series B Copyright Michael D. Adams, 2005."

I wouldn't worry about crediting inside the PPT.


That's exactly the question!

I can't see any other way to credit the copyright other than the way that
Savageduck suggested, which is to add a page at the end crediting the
copyright owner.

But if
you want to be respectful and play it safe, you could
distribute the font and license along with the PPT.


As explained in the OP, the intent is to "embed" the font into the
PowerPoint.

This is easy to do on Windows but there's a question of how to do it on the
Mac given this reference:
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm

The line of interest on embedding compatibility in that summary is:
"Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been
embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint."

Are there any Mac knowledgeable people on this newsgroup who can help?

If you do that then you can also solve the embedding
problem. The down side would be that your recipients
would need to install the font.


As explained in the OP, the goal is to embed the font so that both the Mac
and Windows users can modify the signs before being printed at the school.

It is easy to embed the font into Windows PowerPoint.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint

What is needed is a Mac expert who can test embedding the font into his
PowerPoint version to show us how embedding fonts works on the Mac.
http://fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005
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Old September 9th 17, 04:03 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On 2017-09-09 01:18:55 +0000, Chaya Eve said:
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:32:45 +1200, Your Name wrote:
snip
I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only
way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was
certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before
"web fonts" came along.


I understand that you're saying to use a bitmat block image (picture) of
the text in PowerPoint that is distributed.

But how is that done?
Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint?


Nope. No button. You'd need to use a graphics application such as
Photoshop, GraphicConverter, etc. to create the image, and then import
that into PowerPoint.

OR,
you could type the text into PowerPoint as normal, so that it remains
editable. Then when the slides no longer need changing, take
screenshots and then delete the text and replace with the cropped
screenshot.

  #20  
Old September 9th 17, 04:09 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On 2017-09-09 02:52:47 +0000, Davoud said:
Good Guy:
Chaya Eve wrote:
It's also a Mac newsgroup where the problem is that the Macs can't handle
fonts as well as Windows does (and where some users are on the Mac).


"First off, if you use a Mac version of Office, you can skip the rest of
this page. Mac PowerPoint can't embed fonts, and it can't use fonts that
have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint....


It's quite a stretch to say that Macs can't handle fonts as well as
Windows! Apple (inventor of desktop publishing *and* of TrueType fonts,
the basis for Open Type) is not to blame because MS crippled the Mac
versions of their office suite. They had to; if MSOffice for the
superior Mac OS had all the features of the Windows version that would
be the end of Windows in the enterprise.


You can already ditch Microsloth's garbage and just use Mac with
Apple's Keynote instead (or even one of the other office suite
presentation apps). The problem is that some places don't allow you to
use your own equipment for presentations, so you *have* to have a
PowerPoint file.

Although you can save a PowerPoint file from some of these other
presentation packages, there's no guarantee it will look and work the
same ... mind you, there's no guarantee of that even if you do use
Microsloth apps under Windoze either. :-\

  #21  
Old September 9th 17, 04:11 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

In article , Chaya Eve
wrote:

The line of interest on embedding compatibility in that summary is:
"Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been
embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint."

Are there any Mac knowledgeable people on this newsgroup who can help?


there are quite a few who can, and while i can't speak for others, this
'clueless clod' has zero interest in helping you.

In article , Chaya Eve
wrote:
This is not a question for clueless clods such as Goodguy, Lewis, & nospam.

  #22  
Old September 9th 17, 04:16 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
Chaya Eve
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 19:39:50 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Digging through that site I find the following related to use of this font in
web sites:
First the licence is a Creative Commons BY license which only demands
attribution.


Thank you for finding that information that attribution is all that's
needed to answer the second of the two original questions.

1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)

The manner of attribution for a web site is to include the following:
http://www.onlinewebfonts.com font by Michael D. Adams is licensed by
CC BY 3.0"


I agree that a simple attribution page is in the spirit of the Creative
Commons license agreement, since distribution isn't by web, but by
PowerPoint embedding.

The license says:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact."


That sounds pretty specific. However, this download site states; License:
unknown and is less specific than the onlinewebfonts.com license.
http://www.fontpalace.com/font-details/Roadgeek+2005+Series+B/

So that site fails to meet the minimum CC BY 3.0 license requirement.


I think this particular free font is so widely distributed on web sites
that the adherence to license agreements by those web sites is variable.


The copyright says:
"Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."


That seems to be the simplest statement of attribution, and the only
requirement of the Collective Commons BY 3.0 license.


Thank you for finding and understanding the "collective commons" agreement,
which is new to me so I appreciate your advice.


So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?


To cover all bases to be within the spirit of the CC license, I would add a
CYA page to your Power Point presentation which states the following, or
words to that effect:
Roadgeek 2005 Series B Copyright Michael D. Adams, 2005. All Rights
Reserved. License CC by.


Thank you.

That seems like a good answer to the second question of the two asked!
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?

Are there Mac experts on this ng who know the answer to the first question?
  #23  
Old September 9th 17, 04:26 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
Chaya Eve
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 15:03:04 +1200, Your Name wrote:

Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint?


Nope. No button. You'd need to use a graphics application such as
Photoshop, GraphicConverter, etc. to create the image, and then import
that into PowerPoint.


Thanks. I was afraid of that answer.

The goal is only these two questions to be answered:
1. Technical (how do I embed the Roadgeek TT font in PowerPoint?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?

We have the second question answered already for Mac & Windows users.
And we have the first question answered already for Windows users.

Mac experts are needed now to answer the first question for the Mac.

OR,
you could type the text into PowerPoint as normal, so that it remains
editable. Then when the slides no longer need changing, take
screenshots and then delete the text and replace with the cropped
screenshot.


The requirement is for editing by both Mac and Windows PPT users.

The only still-open question of the two posed in the OP is how to embed the
Roadgeek 2005 True-Type font into a Mac PowerPoint application given this
is the warning that I found when I searched how Mac users embed fonts.

"Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been
embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint."
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm

Does anyone on this ng have a Mac to test if fonts can be embedded in PPT?
  #24  
Old September 9th 17, 04:30 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 23:11:02 -0400, nospam wrote:

there are quite a few who can, and while i can't speak for others, this
'clueless clod' has zero interest in helping you.


Thank you for disappearing.
The sooner you disappear the better it will be for everyone.

The original question was:
1. Technical (how do I embed the Roadgeek TT font in PowerPoint?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?

The only remaining question is how to embed the font in Mac PowerPoint.
  #25  
Old September 9th 17, 04:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
Chaya Eve
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 22:52:47 -0400, Davoud wrote:

It's quite a stretch to say that Macs can't handle fonts as well as
Windows! Apple (inventor of desktop publishing *and* of TrueType fonts,
the basis for Open Type) is not to blame because MS crippled the Mac
versions of their office suite. They had to; if MSOffice for the
superior Mac OS had all the features of the Windows version that would
be the end of Windows in the enterprise.


I don't have a Mac. Do you have a Mac?

Did you read this? http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm

Do you agree or disagree with the statement you are responding to?
"Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts
that have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint."

If you still disagree, can you tell us how Mac users can embed that font?
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Old September 9th 17, 04:37 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

In article , Chaya Eve
wrote:


The only remaining question is how to embed the font in Mac PowerPoint.


that question is not remaining. you're just too ****ing stupid to
figure it out. it's actually comically easy, with at least two methods,
but since you've alienated those who know the answers, you're on your
own.
  #27  
Old September 9th 17, 04:38 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 15:09:28 +1200, Your Name wrote:

You can already ditch Microsloth's garbage and just use Mac with
Apple's Keynote instead (or even one of the other office suite
presentation apps). The problem is that some places don't allow you to
use your own equipment for presentations, so you *have* to have a
PowerPoint file.

Although you can save a PowerPoint file from some of these other
presentation packages, there's no guarantee it will look and work the
same ... mind you, there's no guarantee of that even if you do use
Microsloth apps under Windoze either. :-\


The problem is a real problem which has been explained fully.
I can even upload the file if you want to see the PowerPoint file itself.

The only unknown now is how to embed a font in PowerPoint on the Mac.

Are there any Mac experts on this ng?
If so, can you tell us how to embed that font into PPT on the Mac?
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Old September 9th 17, 04:39 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

In article , Chaya Eve
wrote:


The only remaining question is how to embed the font in Mac PowerPoint.


that question is not remaining. you're just too ****ing stupid to
figure it out. it's actually comically easy, with at least two methods,
but since you've alienated those who know the answers, you're on your
own.
  #29  
Old September 9th 17, 04:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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In article , Chaya Eve
wrote:


I don't have a Mac.


how do you expect to embed fonts into a mac powerpoint presentation
without using a mac?
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Old September 9th 17, 04:41 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps, alt.comp.os.windows-10, rec.photo.digital
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On Sep 8, 2017, Chaya Eve wrote
(in article ):

On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 19:39:50 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Digging through that site I find the following related to use of this font
in
web sites:
First the licence is a Creative Commons ´BY¡ license which only demands
attribution.


Thank you for finding that information that attribution is all that's
needed to answer the second of the two original questions.

1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)

The manner of attribution for a web site is to include the following:
´http://www.onlinewebfonts.com font by Michael D. Adams is licensed by
CC BY 3.0"


I agree that a simple attribution page is in the spirit of the Creative
Commons license agreement, since distribution isn't by web, but by
PowerPoint embedding.

The license says:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact."


That sounds pretty specific. However, this download site states; ´License:
unknown¡ and is less specific than the onlinewebfonts.com license.
http://www.fontpalace.com/font-details/Roadgeek+2005+Series+B/

So that site fails to meet the minimum CC BY 3.0 license requirement.


I think this particular free font is so widely distributed on web sites
that the adherence to license agreements by those web sites is variable.


The copyright says:
"Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."


That seems to be the simplest statement of attribution, and the only
requirement of the Collective Commons ´BY¡ 3.0 license.


Thank you for finding and understanding the "collective commons" agreement,
which is new to me so I appreciate your advice.


I had a brain fart, it is Creative Commons, not Collective Commons There is
more for you he
https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Best_practices_for_attribution
https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Marking_your_work_with_a_CC_license
https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wik...ing_of_BY_and_
BY-NC_adaptations


So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?


To cover all bases to be within the spirit of the CC license, I would add a
CYA page to your Power Point presentation which states the following, or
words to that effect:
Roadgeek 2005 Series B Copyright © Michael D. Adams, 2005. All Rights
Reserved. License CC by.¡


Thank you.

That seems like a good answer to the second question of the two asked!
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint?)


I last used Power Point (Mac & Win) over 10 years ago.

2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?


In the case of this specific font, provide the attribution. In the case of
any other copyrighted material, meet the requirements of the specific license
demands.


Are there Mac experts on this ng who know the answer to the first question?


As I said I haven’t used Power Point on a Mac for over 10 years, and since
I retired I have had little reason to use Keynote. So in respect of your
question, I will be of little help.

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Regards,
Savageduck

 




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