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What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?



 
 
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  #31  
Old April 30th 18, 11:29 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 02:29:08 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones
wrote:

That makes it, so far, this as the major differences in functionality:
1. 64-bit


As far as I am aware, there have been 64-bit versions of Windows XP,
Vista and 7, so you can scrub that one.

If I ever hace to xgrade to Windows 10, I'll be looking for a 32-bit
version.




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  #32  
Old April 30th 18, 11:55 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 02:28:59 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones wrote:

What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?


Talk to Cortana?
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Old April 30th 18, 12:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 22:29:22 -0400, Mayayana wrote:

Anyone currently running XP has to accept that support is going to
start being dropped.


You mean that people should realise that it's no longer 2014? There
have been at least six OS upgrades since then.
  #34  
Old April 30th 18, 12:37 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 4/29/2018 1:56 PM, Bob J Jones wrote:
What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP

snip
Run modern browsers so you can render modern web pages correctly.
  #35  
Old April 30th 18, 12:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 03:45:36 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones
wrote:

Can 64-bit Win10 use more ram than 64-bit Win7?


Win 10 can hold more in RAM because of compression of RAM.

Bitlocker is included in Win 10 Pro, but not in Win 7 Pro. But this
weekend I found, that an encrypted VHD (by Win 10) can be mounted and
used with Win 7 Pro.
The files of my main VM (terminal server for 6 people, Thinstuff,
VMWare Player) are laying in an encrypted VHD now and are used from
there. That makes safe backups of the VM very simple (=copying the
VHD) and protects data on stolen hardware.
On Win 7 Pro I was using Veracrypt in the same way before switching zu
Bitlocker. Bitlocker is a lot faster (factor 6) for random writes on
SSDs. That was my reason to switch to bitlocker.
  #36  
Old April 30th 18, 02:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Bob J Jones" wrote

| ?? Have I missed something? Start Menu and
| program menus cascade on Win98.
|

You both attacked and apologized on this one, but
I'm still trying to figure out what the heck you're
talking about with "cascading". I've only dabbled
with Win10 UI, but I don't remember anything
especially novel about it. Unless you count
the "anti-3D" design trend, which is as trivial as it
is tasteless.

| Adobe Photoshop doesn't support XP.
|
| That's a red herring since it's not functionality "of" the operating
| system.
|

You said you were trying to think through your
stategy in the face of customers who aren't
buying new software from you. I daresay that new,
incompatible software versions is a big reason for
updating the OS.

You didn't explain how that relates to your
product, but it sounded like you have a new version
that requires Win10 and it's not selling. Personally
I'd go for carrot rather than stick: Add relevant
features instead of dead-ending old versions. Or
just accept that there's a limited market for the
2016 Farmers Almanac. But that's a big topic.

Before Microsoft started trying to sell Windows
as a service they acknowledged and defined it as
a platform. A platform for software and hardware
functionality. Windows is only supposed to be the
framework that makes it all usable. It's not supposed
to be a barking trinket salesman or a spyware,
marketing data dealer. That's all a semi-visible sideline.
The role as a platform *is* its functionality. So, isn't
support for new hardware types, and new software
that uses new APIs, the main reason to update?

I built a new Win7-64 box for my ladyfriend awhile
back because she does a lot of high quality photo
editing/printing and I figured the 64-bit would be
worth it. If she'd wanted the latest version of
Paint Shop Pro or Aftershot Pro, that would have
also been a reason to move to Win7. Thus, software
update as motivater to update Windows.

(Though 7 is still sitting there. She doesn't want to
leave XP for a theoretical, mysterious benefit named
"ram". Especially given that she's not finding that
she has to wait for operations on XP, which already
provides her with about 3 GB RAM. Her ridiculously
expensive photo prointer laos has XP drivers. I'm
not sure about Win7 drivers. I doubt it has Win10
drivers.)

| New games may not run on Win7. Newer
| hardware might be an issue. Those are *real*
| reasons why you might need to update.
|
| All red herrings unrelated to the question.

New games are related to DirectX updates. Game
makers are the ones who provide the breakthroughs in
functionality. And game fans are fanatical about
getting maximum gaming function. They want their
hot e-chicks to have convincing hair and their fast
battle action to be as fast as possible. (It reminds
me of people who used to spend thousands on
4-foot-high quadrophonic speakers in the 70s, only
to pump Black Sabbath through them. Silly, but
their gotta-have-it attitude funds development.)

| The question is what is inherently a functionality in Win10 (the OS) that
| isn't in WinXP or Win7 that is useful to you, as a user?
|

So far I don't need anything past XP. 64-bit will be
important at some point, but it's just now achieving
compatibility. And I wrote my own Explorer Bar for
folders that I'm quite fond of, but which only works
in 32-bit Explorer. So I'm in no hurry for 64-bit.

But I don't think I'm typical. Gamers want new.
Corporate types who think of their conputer as
synonymous with MS Office want/need regular
updates.


| Windows 7? Win10 has barely caught up with
| Win7 usage online. It's probably still far behind
| among offline machines.
|
| Huh? What does that mean?
|

The various survey companies that count computers
by putting web bug spyware on website visitors' machines
(scorecardresearch, for instance) announced just
recently that Win10 users were finally more numerous
than Win7 users. But that's online. (And of course
it's also very rough guessing. Fox, Victorias Secret,
ESPN, CBS, Facebook and BBC probably each show
different numbers and each have different relevance.
For instance, what does 7 vs 10 mean on Facebook if
phones are the vast majority of their visitors?)

Older Windows versions are used in vast numbers that
often don't get counted simply because they're not
considered part of the visible "market". That includes retail
cash registers, work computers in the corporate world,
etc. Computers for work are practical. If they still work
there's no reason to update. Architects, sign makers,
artists, scientists, retail stores, restaurants.....
Those are all people who are likely to be faced with
extortionary software costs if they buy a new computer.
(I once knew an architect using AutoCAD on Win3 in
the late 90s. He'd got it cheap as a student and the
Win98 version was crazy expensive.)

There was an interesting article awhile back. (Maybe
a year or so. I don't remember.) At that time, Win10
showed a bigger fraction at US gov't sites on weekends
than on weekdays. The conclusion was that they were
seeing the avoidance of Win10 in the corporate world
and the inevitable increase among retail buyers.

So the real numbers are close to 50/50 online for
Win10 vs Win7, and the real numbers for total machines
actually in use would probably show a much smaller
fraction of win10 machines.

| And Win7 is still supported
| by MS.
|
| This is true, but we are combining WinXP and Win7 where you're
semantically
| correct, but it's just a point if we bought too many arguments.
|
We? XP and 7 are different. The reasons to stay
with them are different. There's no credible reason
for most people to leave Win7. WinXP, however,
now requires some work to maintain. The question
of what Win10 offers, therefore, varies with each.


  #37  
Old April 30th 18, 02:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"JJ" wrote

| I only need the Edge browser because it's me as a software developer.

Not as a web developer? What need is there of Edge
for software, since IE is still the IE automation provider?




  #38  
Old April 30th 18, 02:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:05:50 -0400, Mayayana wrote:
"JJ" wrote

| I only need the Edge browser because it's me as a software developer.

Not as a web developer? What need is there of Edge
for software, since IE is still the IE automation provider?


Web is a software, but not all softwares are web.
I do both.
  #39  
Old April 30th 18, 02:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 10:10:22 +0700, JJ wrote:

On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 20:56:00 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones wrote:
What top-ten FUNCTIONALITY can you do on Windows 10 that you just can't do
on Windows XP or Windows 7 (that is related directly to the OS)?


- Use larger RAM. i.e. the physical memory.

- Use new features/functions of DirectX v12. i.e. better 3D graphics. IOTW,
play the latest games.

- Scale text and GUI up to 200%. e.g. for 4K+ monitors.

- Run consoles in full screen mode. But still in graphics video mode,
though.

- Run "app" applications. i.e. those from Windows Store.

- Use Microsoft Edge web browser.

I only need the last one, though...


The ability to run Microsoft Edge isn't much of a feature though. It's
a pretty bad browser IMO but I use it only because it loads so fast
and doesn't require an additional installation.
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Old April 30th 18, 02:56 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 10:33:12 +0700, JJ wrote:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 02:29:15 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones wrote:

https://www.winxdvd.com/answers/wind...windows-xp.htm


WTF? Did a Microsoft Marketing intern write that article?

The biggest deal in Windows 10 over WinXP/Win7 is MKV?
Huh?

Windows 10 supports MKV?
WinXP & Win7 don't support MKV?

Makes no sense.
At least not to me.


MKV support is not provided by the OS. It's provided by the Windows Media
Foundation library (WMF). It's the main multimedia library for the Windows
OS, and it's required by Windows Media Player and Windows Media Center, but
WMF is not required by the system. It's actually separate from the system,
and it can be removed entirely without fatally crippling the system. Unlike
MSIE where its libraries has been heavily used by the system.


Windows 10 supports h264 and MKV but has no understanding of h265
which is a fantastic, space-saving codec.
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Old April 30th 18, 03:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Michael Logies wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 03:45:36 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones
wrote:

Can 64-bit Win10 use more ram than 64-bit Win7?


Win 10 can hold more in RAM because of compression of RAM.

Bitlocker is included in Win 10 Pro, but not in Win 7 Pro. But this
weekend I found, that an encrypted VHD (by Win 10) can be mounted and
used with Win 7 Pro.
The files of my main VM (terminal server for 6 people, Thinstuff,
VMWare Player) are laying in an encrypted VHD now and are used from
there. That makes safe backups of the VM very simple (=copying the
VHD) and protects data on stolen hardware.
On Win 7 Pro I was using Veracrypt in the same way before switching zu
Bitlocker. Bitlocker is a lot faster (factor 6) for random writes on
SSDs. That was my reason to switch to bitlocker.


And the Windows 10 BitLocker is missing the Elephant Diffuser.
That could be a reason it is faster.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitLoc...urity_concerns

"Starting with Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012 Microsoft removed the
Elephant Diffuser from the BitLocker scheme for no declared reason.

Dan Rosendorf's research shows that removing the Elephant Diffuser
had an "undeniably negative impact" on the security of BitLocker
encryption against a targeted attack. Microsoft later cited performance
concerns, and noncompliance with the Federal Information Processing
Standards (FIPS), to justify the diffuser's removal.

Starting with Windows 10 version 1511, however, Microsoft added a new
FIPS-compliant XTS-AES encryption algorithm to BitLocker.
"

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...-1507-and-1511

"Bitlocker

New Bitlocker features in Windows 10, version 1511

XTS-AES encryption algorithm...

Note: Drives encrypted with XTS-AES will not be
accessible on older version of Windows.
"

Paul
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Old April 30th 18, 03:28 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:42:33 -0400, Doomsdrzej wrote:

The ability to run Microsoft Edge isn't much of a feature though. It's
a pretty bad browser IMO but I use it only because it loads so fast
and doesn't require an additional installation.


Yes, that's true after some more thought. It's not an OS functionality. So,
scratch that.

What are the things that you consider as bad? Please do compare with other
browsers.
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Old April 30th 18, 04:00 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 10:25:05 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

BTW, Bob, thanks very much or raising the original question. So far, the
answers you've garnered do not persuade me to switch to W10.


It's actually a good thread to show that Windows 10 doesn't offer much.
Especially for those who already use Windows 8.x. After all, Windows 10 is
basically an NT 6.4. It doesn't have major changes in comparison with
earlier NT 6.x versions.

I don't really care what version number it claims to be. I only sees it as
an attempt to catch up with Mac OS X's version number. Just like Firefox
trying to catch up Chrome's version number. Trying not to look inferior to
the competitor.
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Old April 30th 18, 04:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 00:03:22 -0400, Paul wrote:

I hadn't heard about MKV support. The one I'd heard about
(and briefly tested) was FLAC support. But I don't have
any really good A/B FLAC samples for comparative listening.
(All I could find is some "scratchy" orchestral recordings.)
Some people apparently keep their music collections in
that format.


The parts of my music collection that I actually care about are all in
FLAC.

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Old April 30th 18, 05:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 23:00:24 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
wrote:

Bob J Jones wrote:
What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?

Stated more clearly, what FUNCTIONALITY is of importance to you, that you
do on Windows 10 by virtue of the operating system alone?


If you have a Kaby Lake, 6th gen Xeon, or a Ryzen then there will be no
win7 functionality without a hack that most people would not want to attempt.


Preventing certain processors from running on an older but still-used
version of your operating system seems like a dick move by Microsoft.
 




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