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What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 02:29:08 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones
wrote: That makes it, so far, this as the major differences in functionality: 1. 64-bit As far as I am aware, there have been 64-bit versions of Windows XP, Vista and 7, so you can scrub that one. If I ever hace to xgrade to Windows 10, I'll be looking for a 32-bit version. -- Steve Hayes http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm http://khanya.wordpress.com |
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What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 02:28:59 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones wrote:
What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7? Talk to Cortana? |
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What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?
On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 22:29:22 -0400, Mayayana wrote:
Anyone currently running XP has to accept that support is going to start being dropped. You mean that people should realise that it's no longer 2014? There have been at least six OS upgrades since then. |
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What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP orWindows 7?
On 4/29/2018 1:56 PM, Bob J Jones wrote:
What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP snip Run modern browsers so you can render modern web pages correctly. |
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What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 03:45:36 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones
wrote: Can 64-bit Win10 use more ram than 64-bit Win7? Win 10 can hold more in RAM because of compression of RAM. Bitlocker is included in Win 10 Pro, but not in Win 7 Pro. But this weekend I found, that an encrypted VHD (by Win 10) can be mounted and used with Win 7 Pro. The files of my main VM (terminal server for 6 people, Thinstuff, VMWare Player) are laying in an encrypted VHD now and are used from there. That makes safe backups of the VM very simple (=copying the VHD) and protects data on stolen hardware. On Win 7 Pro I was using Veracrypt in the same way before switching zu Bitlocker. Bitlocker is a lot faster (factor 6) for random writes on SSDs. That was my reason to switch to bitlocker. |
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What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?
"Bob J Jones" wrote
| ?? Have I missed something? Start Menu and | program menus cascade on Win98. | You both attacked and apologized on this one, but I'm still trying to figure out what the heck you're talking about with "cascading". I've only dabbled with Win10 UI, but I don't remember anything especially novel about it. Unless you count the "anti-3D" design trend, which is as trivial as it is tasteless. | Adobe Photoshop doesn't support XP. | | That's a red herring since it's not functionality "of" the operating | system. | You said you were trying to think through your stategy in the face of customers who aren't buying new software from you. I daresay that new, incompatible software versions is a big reason for updating the OS. You didn't explain how that relates to your product, but it sounded like you have a new version that requires Win10 and it's not selling. Personally I'd go for carrot rather than stick: Add relevant features instead of dead-ending old versions. Or just accept that there's a limited market for the 2016 Farmers Almanac. But that's a big topic. Before Microsoft started trying to sell Windows as a service they acknowledged and defined it as a platform. A platform for software and hardware functionality. Windows is only supposed to be the framework that makes it all usable. It's not supposed to be a barking trinket salesman or a spyware, marketing data dealer. That's all a semi-visible sideline. The role as a platform *is* its functionality. So, isn't support for new hardware types, and new software that uses new APIs, the main reason to update? I built a new Win7-64 box for my ladyfriend awhile back because she does a lot of high quality photo editing/printing and I figured the 64-bit would be worth it. If she'd wanted the latest version of Paint Shop Pro or Aftershot Pro, that would have also been a reason to move to Win7. Thus, software update as motivater to update Windows. (Though 7 is still sitting there. She doesn't want to leave XP for a theoretical, mysterious benefit named "ram". Especially given that she's not finding that she has to wait for operations on XP, which already provides her with about 3 GB RAM. Her ridiculously expensive photo prointer laos has XP drivers. I'm not sure about Win7 drivers. I doubt it has Win10 drivers.) | New games may not run on Win7. Newer | hardware might be an issue. Those are *real* | reasons why you might need to update. | | All red herrings unrelated to the question. New games are related to DirectX updates. Game makers are the ones who provide the breakthroughs in functionality. And game fans are fanatical about getting maximum gaming function. They want their hot e-chicks to have convincing hair and their fast battle action to be as fast as possible. (It reminds me of people who used to spend thousands on 4-foot-high quadrophonic speakers in the 70s, only to pump Black Sabbath through them. Silly, but their gotta-have-it attitude funds development.) | The question is what is inherently a functionality in Win10 (the OS) that | isn't in WinXP or Win7 that is useful to you, as a user? | So far I don't need anything past XP. 64-bit will be important at some point, but it's just now achieving compatibility. And I wrote my own Explorer Bar for folders that I'm quite fond of, but which only works in 32-bit Explorer. So I'm in no hurry for 64-bit. But I don't think I'm typical. Gamers want new. Corporate types who think of their conputer as synonymous with MS Office want/need regular updates. | Windows 7? Win10 has barely caught up with | Win7 usage online. It's probably still far behind | among offline machines. | | Huh? What does that mean? | The various survey companies that count computers by putting web bug spyware on website visitors' machines (scorecardresearch, for instance) announced just recently that Win10 users were finally more numerous than Win7 users. But that's online. (And of course it's also very rough guessing. Fox, Victorias Secret, ESPN, CBS, Facebook and BBC probably each show different numbers and each have different relevance. For instance, what does 7 vs 10 mean on Facebook if phones are the vast majority of their visitors?) Older Windows versions are used in vast numbers that often don't get counted simply because they're not considered part of the visible "market". That includes retail cash registers, work computers in the corporate world, etc. Computers for work are practical. If they still work there's no reason to update. Architects, sign makers, artists, scientists, retail stores, restaurants..... Those are all people who are likely to be faced with extortionary software costs if they buy a new computer. (I once knew an architect using AutoCAD on Win3 in the late 90s. He'd got it cheap as a student and the Win98 version was crazy expensive.) There was an interesting article awhile back. (Maybe a year or so. I don't remember.) At that time, Win10 showed a bigger fraction at US gov't sites on weekends than on weekdays. The conclusion was that they were seeing the avoidance of Win10 in the corporate world and the inevitable increase among retail buyers. So the real numbers are close to 50/50 online for Win10 vs Win7, and the real numbers for total machines actually in use would probably show a much smaller fraction of win10 machines. | And Win7 is still supported | by MS. | | This is true, but we are combining WinXP and Win7 where you're semantically | correct, but it's just a point if we bought too many arguments. | We? XP and 7 are different. The reasons to stay with them are different. There's no credible reason for most people to leave Win7. WinXP, however, now requires some work to maintain. The question of what Win10 offers, therefore, varies with each. |
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What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?
"JJ" wrote
| I only need the Edge browser because it's me as a software developer. Not as a web developer? What need is there of Edge for software, since IE is still the IE automation provider? |
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What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:05:50 -0400, Mayayana wrote:
"JJ" wrote | I only need the Edge browser because it's me as a software developer. Not as a web developer? What need is there of Edge for software, since IE is still the IE automation provider? Web is a software, but not all softwares are web. I do both. |
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What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 10:10:22 +0700, JJ wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 20:56:00 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones wrote: What top-ten FUNCTIONALITY can you do on Windows 10 that you just can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7 (that is related directly to the OS)? - Use larger RAM. i.e. the physical memory. - Use new features/functions of DirectX v12. i.e. better 3D graphics. IOTW, play the latest games. - Scale text and GUI up to 200%. e.g. for 4K+ monitors. - Run consoles in full screen mode. But still in graphics video mode, though. - Run "app" applications. i.e. those from Windows Store. - Use Microsoft Edge web browser. I only need the last one, though... The ability to run Microsoft Edge isn't much of a feature though. It's a pretty bad browser IMO but I use it only because it loads so fast and doesn't require an additional installation. |
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What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 10:33:12 +0700, JJ wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 02:29:15 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones wrote: https://www.winxdvd.com/answers/wind...windows-xp.htm WTF? Did a Microsoft Marketing intern write that article? The biggest deal in Windows 10 over WinXP/Win7 is MKV? Huh? Windows 10 supports MKV? WinXP & Win7 don't support MKV? Makes no sense. At least not to me. MKV support is not provided by the OS. It's provided by the Windows Media Foundation library (WMF). It's the main multimedia library for the Windows OS, and it's required by Windows Media Player and Windows Media Center, but WMF is not required by the system. It's actually separate from the system, and it can be removed entirely without fatally crippling the system. Unlike MSIE where its libraries has been heavily used by the system. Windows 10 supports h264 and MKV but has no understanding of h265 which is a fantastic, space-saving codec. |
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What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XPor Windows 7?
Michael Logies wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 03:45:36 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones wrote: Can 64-bit Win10 use more ram than 64-bit Win7? Win 10 can hold more in RAM because of compression of RAM. Bitlocker is included in Win 10 Pro, but not in Win 7 Pro. But this weekend I found, that an encrypted VHD (by Win 10) can be mounted and used with Win 7 Pro. The files of my main VM (terminal server for 6 people, Thinstuff, VMWare Player) are laying in an encrypted VHD now and are used from there. That makes safe backups of the VM very simple (=copying the VHD) and protects data on stolen hardware. On Win 7 Pro I was using Veracrypt in the same way before switching zu Bitlocker. Bitlocker is a lot faster (factor 6) for random writes on SSDs. That was my reason to switch to bitlocker. And the Windows 10 BitLocker is missing the Elephant Diffuser. That could be a reason it is faster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitLoc...urity_concerns "Starting with Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012 Microsoft removed the Elephant Diffuser from the BitLocker scheme for no declared reason. Dan Rosendorf's research shows that removing the Elephant Diffuser had an "undeniably negative impact" on the security of BitLocker encryption against a targeted attack. Microsoft later cited performance concerns, and noncompliance with the Federal Information Processing Standards (FIPS), to justify the diffuser's removal. Starting with Windows 10 version 1511, however, Microsoft added a new FIPS-compliant XTS-AES encryption algorithm to BitLocker. " https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...-1507-and-1511 "Bitlocker New Bitlocker features in Windows 10, version 1511 XTS-AES encryption algorithm... Note: Drives encrypted with XTS-AES will not be accessible on older version of Windows. " Paul |
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What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:42:33 -0400, Doomsdrzej wrote:
The ability to run Microsoft Edge isn't much of a feature though. It's a pretty bad browser IMO but I use it only because it loads so fast and doesn't require an additional installation. Yes, that's true after some more thought. It's not an OS functionality. So, scratch that. What are the things that you consider as bad? Please do compare with other browsers. |
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OT: RARE engineers (Was: What can you do on Windows 10 etc]
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 10:25:05 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
BTW, Bob, thanks very much or raising the original question. So far, the answers you've garnered do not persuade me to switch to W10. It's actually a good thread to show that Windows 10 doesn't offer much. Especially for those who already use Windows 8.x. After all, Windows 10 is basically an NT 6.4. It doesn't have major changes in comparison with earlier NT 6.x versions. I don't really care what version number it claims to be. I only sees it as an attempt to catch up with Mac OS X's version number. Just like Firefox trying to catch up Chrome's version number. Trying not to look inferior to the competitor. |
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What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 00:03:22 -0400, Paul wrote:
I hadn't heard about MKV support. The one I'd heard about (and briefly tested) was FLAC support. But I don't have any really good A/B FLAC samples for comparative listening. (All I could find is some "scratchy" orchestral recordings.) Some people apparently keep their music collections in that format. The parts of my music collection that I actually care about are all in FLAC. |
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What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?
On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 23:00:24 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
wrote: Bob J Jones wrote: What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7? Stated more clearly, what FUNCTIONALITY is of importance to you, that you do on Windows 10 by virtue of the operating system alone? If you have a Kaby Lake, 6th gen Xeon, or a Ryzen then there will be no win7 functionality without a hack that most people would not want to attempt. Preventing certain processors from running on an older but still-used version of your operating system seems like a dick move by Microsoft. |
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