Windows 8.1 on Tablet

I was looking at a tablet this morning with 16GB internal storage and
32GB on a microsd card.

Question: Since Microsoft is trying to get the tablet market have they
done any thing to reduce the update growth in the size of the OS.

At the size and rate of the updates to Windows, I could see the OS
quickly taking up the total available memory on the tablet.

On 04/10/2015 07:51 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I was looking at a tablet this morning with 16GB internal storage and
32GB on a microsd card.

Question: Since Microsoft is trying to get the tablet market have they
done any thing to reduce the update growth in the size of the OS.

At the size and rate of the updates to Windows, I could see the OS
quickly taking up the total available memory on the tablet.



First off...terminology.

memory= ram

It has nothing to do with space used on a hard drive (or ssd)


Windows 8 takes up approx 11 gigs so you should be OK

Keith Nuttle wrote:
I was looking at a tablet this morning with 16GB internal storage and
32GB on a microsd card.

Question: Since Microsoft is trying to get the tablet market have they
done any thing to reduce the update growth in the size of the OS.

At the size and rate of the updates to Windows, I could see the OS
quickly taking up the total available memory on the tablet.

Not enough memory! Certainly not.
I have a Linx 10. I've been running it for a few months now and it has a
32GB SSD, with just 9GB still free.
The SD card is almost full.
Oh, and all updates have been applied up to yesterday.

Ed

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Wolf K wrote:
Main downside of Windows tablets: only one USB port. Should be at
least two IMO.

Just curious... what uses have you run into that would need 2 USB ports
that
couldn't be served in some other way?
--
best regards,

Neil

I tried a Android tablet with mouse, in my opinion they work easier.

Strange... I replied to Neil Gould but answer appears aggregated to Wolf K.

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Wolf K wrote:
Main downside of Windows tablets: only one USB port. Should be at
least two IMO.

Just curious... what uses have you run into that would need 2 USB ports that
couldn't be served in some other way?
--
best regards,

Neil

In message , Ed Cryer
writes
I have a Linx 10. I've been running it for a few months now and it has
a 32GB SSD, with just 9GB still free.
The SD card is almost full.
Oh, and all updates have been applied up to yesterday.

My Linx 10 still has 15GB free after regular cleanups. The latest 14
updates are installing as I type. I have an internal SD card, and also
usually save media files to an external HD.

I've been looking into what a friend's son can use to get into computer
programming, and am currently looking at a thing called Terminal IDE
from the Google App Store. To get enough space on my Android tablet to
install and run this, I had to remove several other apps, so it's not
just Windows that has this problem on tablets.
--
Bill

Wolf K wrote:
Main downside of Windows tablets: only one USB port. Should be at
least two IMO.

Just curious... what uses have you run into that would need 2 USB ports that
couldn't be served in some other way?
--
best regards,

Neil

Keith Nuttle wrote:
I was looking at a tablet this morning with 16GB internal storage and
32GB on a microsd card.

Question: Since Microsoft is trying to get the tablet market have they
done any thing to reduce the update growth in the size of the OS.

At the size and rate of the updates to Windows, I could see the OS
quickly taking up the total available memory on the tablet.

The technology is called "WIM-boot".

http://blogs.windows.com/itpro/2014/...-boot-wimboot/

The original install.wim stays compressed on the flash.
When Windows Update changes something, only the "delta"
is placed on a live file system. This is intended to
save considerable space, and make these 32GB flash storage
tablets for $100, a practical thing.

It won't take many movie downloads, before you're out of
space. And some tablets lack an SD slot, so are pinched
for space later.

The price you pay for this, is decompression of the WIM
contents, on demand. With a quad core CPU on the tablet,
you might only notice a longer delay in some cases.

This same methodology has existed on Linux for a while.
The "persistent" storage casper-rw is an overlay for
the CD boot stuff. If you add a package, the package
manager puts something new in /usr/local/bin, it is
actually stored in the persistent store. So in a sense,
Linux had an overlay, allowing the boot CD to remain
as a read-only item. The install.wim works in a similar
way. Install.wim is never written to, and if Microsoft
needs to change it, that's done in an overlay file
system of some sort. So the fact the install.wim is
read only, is transparent to the user. For example,
if you tried to overwrite the copy of shell32.dll
stored inside the install.wim, instead your write
is redirected to the overlay file system and stored
there. You can then no longer "see" the old copy
of shell32.dll, just the new one staged in the
overlay.

Paul

On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 16:21:20 +0100, Bahabi wrote:

Strange... I replied to Neil Gould but answer appears aggregated to Wolf K.

Not here.

"Neil Gould" escreveu na mensagem ...

Wolf K wrote:
Main downside of Windows tablets: only one USB port. Should be at
least two IMO.

Just curious... what uses have you run into that would need 2 USB ports that
couldn't be served in some other way?


--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 4/10/2015 1:16 PM, Paul wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I was looking at a tablet this morning with 16GB internal storage and
32GB on a microsd card.

Question: Since Microsoft is trying to get the tablet market have they
done any thing to reduce the update growth in the size of the OS.

At the size and rate of the updates to Windows, I could see the OS
quickly taking up the total available memory on the tablet.

The technology is called "WIM-boot".

http://blogs.windows.com/itpro/2014/...-boot-wimboot/


The original install.wim stays compressed on the flash.
When Windows Update changes something, only the "delta"
is placed on a live file system. This is intended to
save considerable space, and make these 32GB flash storage
tablets for $100, a practical thing.

It won't take many movie downloads, before you're out of
space. And some tablets lack an SD slot, so are pinched
for space later.

The price you pay for this, is decompression of the WIM
contents, on demand. With a quad core CPU on the tablet,
you might only notice a longer delay in some cases.

This same methodology has existed on Linux for a while.
The "persistent" storage casper-rw is an overlay for
the CD boot stuff. If you add a package, the package
manager puts something new in /usr/local/bin, it is
actually stored in the persistent store. So in a sense,
Linux had an overlay, allowing the boot CD to remain
as a read-only item. The install.wim works in a similar
way. Install.wim is never written to, and if Microsoft
needs to change it, that's done in an overlay file
system of some sort. So the fact the install.wim is
read only, is transparent to the user. For example,
if you tried to overwrite the copy of shell32.dll
stored inside the install.wim, instead your write
is redirected to the overlay file system and stored
there. You can then no longer "see" the old copy
of shell32.dll, just the new one staged in the
overlay.

Paul


OP: So the answer to my original question; "Will the Tablet eventually
run out of space?" The answer is YES.

Just not as fast as if it were on a standard computer. ????


Therefore I suspect that even after a dozen years, the internal memory
would not fill up because of the OS updates, to the point that the
computer would be unusable because of lack of operational memory.

The point where it become unusable because of the lack of memory space
would depend on the programs you load, and the pictures and music you
store on the computer

Hi, Gene, what's up?
Thanks for the confirmation. At this side the network is kidding me.

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On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 16:21:20 +0100, Bahabi wrote:

Strange... I replied to Neil Gould but answer appears aggregated to Wolf
K.

Not here.

"Neil Gould" escreveu na mensagem ...

Wolf K wrote:
Main downside of Windows tablets: only one USB port. Should be at
least two IMO.

Just curious... what uses have you run into that would need 2 USB ports
that
couldn't be served in some other way?


--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 22:30:23 +0100, Bahabi wrote:

Hi, Gene, what's up?

Not much.

Thanks for the confirmation. At this side the network is kidding me.

What confirmation? It fails for you but not for me...I'm confused :-)

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...

On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 16:21:20 +0100, Bahabi wrote:

Strange... I replied to Neil Gould but answer appears aggregated to Wolf
K.

Not here.

"Neil Gould" escreveu na mensagem ...

Wolf K wrote:
Main downside of Windows tablets: only one USB port. Should be at
least two IMO.

Just curious... what uses have you run into that would need 2 USB ports
that
couldn't be served in some other way?


--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

"Gene E. Bloch" escreveu na mensagem
...

On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 22:30:23 +0100, Bahabi wrote:

Hi, Gene, what's up?

Not much.

Thanks for the confirmation. At this side the network is kidding me.

What confirmation? It fails for you but not for me...I'm confused :-)

No you're ok, the problem is here.

"Gene E. Bloch" escreveu na mensagem
...

On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 16:21:20 +0100, Bahabi wrote:

Strange... I replied to Neil Gould but answer appears aggregated to Wolf
K.

Not here.

"Neil Gould" escreveu na mensagem ...

Wolf K wrote:
Main downside of Windows tablets: only one USB port. Should be at
least two IMO.

Just curious... what uses have you run into that would need 2 USB ports
that
couldn't be served in some other way?


--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Bill wrote:
In message , Ed Cryer
writes
I have a Linx 10. I've been running it for a few months now and it has
a 32GB SSD, with just 9GB still free.
The SD card is almost full.
Oh, and all updates have been applied up to yesterday.

My Linx 10 still has 15GB free after regular cleanups. The latest 14
updates are installing as I type. I have an internal SD card, and also
usually save media files to an external HD.

I've been looking into what a friend's son can use to get into computer
programming, and am currently looking at a thing called Terminal IDE
from the Google App Store. To get enough space on my Android tablet to
install and run this, I had to remove several other apps, so it's not
just Windows that has this problem on tablets.

The Linx 10 is remarkably solid. Engineered not far short of an iPad
Air, but for far less cash.
I have one gripe only so far. The SD card has a habit of flipping out of
its seating in the side; and being so small it's sometimes difficult to
find on the carpet.

I must admit that I've installed quite a range of stuff on it. And with
full USB capability it takes memory sticks, external HDs and DVD drives.

It's no toy. It's a very serious competitor against MS Surface.

Ed

Wolf K wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
Main downside of Windows tablets: only one USB port. Should be at
least two IMO.

Just curious... what uses have you run into that would need 2 USB
ports that
couldn't be served in some other way?
--
best regards,

Neil

I like to use a mouse instead of a touchpad, and I also want to attach
the camera for copying photos. The Surface's camera is OK for
grabshots.

Both/and... either/or.

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Cordl.../dp/B000BDH2Y8

http://techpp.com/2013/04/17/bluetoo...ct-smartphone/

--
best regards,

Neil