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February 15th 17, 06:08 PM
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How to construct a Google Groups non-redundant URL for reference purposes
Here is how I just now figured out how to construct a non-redundant Google
Groups URL to a Usenet post from years ago. If you have a better method, please share, as I post this merely to share to help others use Usenet as a reference. I just did this today for the alt-home-repair newsgroup, so all I'm doing is documenting the steps for others to be able to leverage in the future. 1. I needed to look up an old URL on how to wind garage door torsion springs so that I could cut and paste a short Google URL as a reference. 2. I knew the original thread was posted to alt.home.repair by me on Usenet years ago, so I searched using this easily remembered URL. http://tinyurl.com/alt-home-repair 3. That easily remembered URL, of course, takes you to the canonical GG search URL which is the one to use (but it's harder to remember): https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.home.repair 4. My search was "Danny garage torsion" which came up with four thread titles: a. Lessons learned installing a torsion spring in a typical residential garage b. Update to the "lessons learned" garage door torsion spring DIY thread (new lessons learned) c. Garage door torsion spring relocation project (Status = Not going well) d. Garage door torsion spring broken ... and ... I have no questions!  5. The initial URLs are messy because they include redundant terms: a. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...lt.home.repair b. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...lt.home.repair c. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...lt.home.repair d. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...lt.home.repair 6. Notice the unique ultimate characters: a. LASTID=BRHYK3X71BAJ b. LASTID=8Ff3HsrmASEJ c. LASTID=Hk0mfwDsQooJ d. LASTID=I0TP541gGk4J 7. Now you need a normal short URL, where a "normal" URL can be gotten simply by looking up the *latest* page and choosing any URL found on that latest page as of the current date. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.home.repair The first URL (at the moment) uses this non-redundant syntax: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ir/i9nfxKFjZE0 8. You'd think you can just cut the *last* argument out, to reconstruct the desired non-redundant Google URLs (but you can't). So these won't work: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/cut this out https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/insert LASTID a. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...r/BRHYK3X71BAJ b. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...r/8Ff3HsrmASEJ c. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...r/Hk0mfwDsQooJ d. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...r/I0TP541gGk4J But that doesn't work. 9. What you can do though, is cut TWO ID sections out: a. LAST2IDs=738YR8CPsLI/BRHYK3X71BAJ b. LAST2IDs=AGrGZc4i-RA/8Ff3HsrmASEJ c. LAST2IDs=ifuMBLOoGXY/Hk0mfwDsQooJ d. LAST2IDs=s0zBJNaT89Q/I0TP541gGk4J 10. Using those two sections, you reconstruct a Google URL: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...t.home.repair/ + LAST2IDs a. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...I/BRHYK3X71BAJ b. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...A/8Ff3HsrmASEJ c. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...Y/Hk0mfwDsQooJ d. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...Q/I0TP541gGk4J 11. When you go to those four URLs, you get *new* Google URLs for each: a. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ir/738YR8CPsLI b. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ir/AGrGZc4i-RA c. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ir/ifuMBLOoGXY d. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ir/s0zBJNaT89Q 12. So, one way to reconstruct a non-redundant Google Groups URL is to put these three syntactical items together: A. The base URL (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/) B. The newsgroup (alt.home.repair) C. The penultimate ID https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ + alt.home.repair/ + PENULTIMATEID 
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February 15th 17, 10:36 PM
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How to construct a Google Groups non-redundant URL for referencepurposes
Read in aol, replied in aol, xposts deleted.
Danny D. wrote: If you have a better method, please share, 'Better' in that it is more efficient then you described. If you want to link to a specific message in a thread, GG will give you a link to that message with the message options menu; which link you can shorten with your favorite link shortener, or alternatively, you can use the message's M-ID (obtained from GG original view) to get a nice link to HK's system. Here's one of your messages in the thread as GG provides the link: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....I/yG26L005-aAJ Some people can just click on a m-id and their newsagent will fetch the message from the server, so I also provide the M-ID, the group, subject, and date and the HK shortened form: Newsgroups: alt.home.repair Subject: Lessons learned installing a torsion spring in a typical residential garage Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 08:41:54 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=148719768400 If you want to link to a particular thread, which is what you did with your work described and snipped, GG will give you a link to that thread by using the menu provided in the topic options. One of yours is (as provided by GG without having to do your work): https://groups.google.com/d/topic/al...sLI/discussion An example of a previewable shortened form: http://bit.ly/2l9rnIc+ Many people don't like to click non-previewable shortened links, so I not only post the previewable form, but announce that it is previewable. The HK system is good for single m-id messages, but can't deliver like GG for the thread. I prefer HK for single messages, GG for the thread. If you provide the group, subject, date info, (along with the m-id when appropriate) some people will access the thread from their news server instead of GG. -- Mike Easter
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February 17th 17, 06:01 PM
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How to construct a Google Groups non-redundant URL for reference purposes
Or you could just click the down arrow in the upper right:
"More Message Options - [Link Icon]" And copy the Link Location To help others, here is a simpler method to obtain a reference link: http://i.cubeupload.com/pa5vGa.jpg Both methods start from this easy to remember search start point: http://tinyurl.com/alt-home-repair That takes us to the standard Google "Groups" (also Usenet) search: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.home.repair Which results in the following four long "message-style" URLs: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...lt.home.repair https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...lt.home.repair https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...lt.home.repair https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...lt.home.repair The suggested simple method results in these "message-style" references: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....I/_XhsH8wCbfUJ https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....A/fiVMoz_brDYJ https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....Y/IHjGymHVhmQJ https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....Q/zdTATJHAnOMJ The suggested manual method results in these "topic-style" references: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ir/738YR8CPsLI https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ir/AGrGZc4i-RA https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ir/ifuMBLOoGXY https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ir/s0zBJNaT89Q Both results seem functionally equivalent in my initial test just now.
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February 17th 17, 06:36 PM
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How to construct a Google Groups non-redundant URL for referencepurposes
On 2/15/17, 11:08 AM, in article , "Danny D."
wrote: Here is how I just now figured out how to construct a non-redundant Google Groups URL to a Usenet post from years ago. If you have a better method, please share, as I post this merely to share to help others use Usenet as a reference. I just did this today for the alt-home-repair newsgroup, so all I'm doing is documenting the steps for others to be able to leverage in the future. 1. I needed to look up an old URL on how to wind garage door torsion springs so that I could cut and paste a short Google URL as a reference. 2. I knew the original thread was posted to alt.home.repair by me on Usenet years ago, so I searched using this easily remembered URL. http://tinyurl.com/alt-home-repair 3. That easily remembered URL, of course, takes you to the canonical GG search URL which is the one to use (but it's harder to remember): https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.home.repair 4. My search was "Danny garage torsion" which came up with four thread titles: a. Lessons learned installing a torsion spring in a typical residential garage b. Update to the "lessons learned" garage door torsion spring DIY thread (new lessons learned) c. Garage door torsion spring relocation project (Status = Not going well) d. Garage door torsion spring broken ... and ... I have no questions! 5. The initial URLs are messy because they include redundant terms: a. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...I/BRHYK3X71BAJ ;context-place=forum/alt.home.repair b. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...A/8Ff3HsrmASEJ ;context-place=forum/alt.home.repair c. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...Y/Hk0mfwDsQooJ ;context-place=forum/alt.home.repair d. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...Q/I0TP541gGk4J ;context-place=forum/alt.home.repair 6. Notice the unique ultimate characters: a. LASTID=BRHYK3X71BAJ b. LASTID=8Ff3HsrmASEJ c. LASTID=Hk0mfwDsQooJ d. LASTID=I0TP541gGk4J 7. Now you need a normal short URL, where a "normal" URL can be gotten simply by looking up the *latest* page and choosing any URL found on that latest page as of the current date. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.home.repair The first URL (at the moment) uses this non-redundant syntax: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ir/i9nfxKFjZE0 8. You'd think you can just cut the *last* argument out, to reconstruct the desired non-redundant Google URLs (but you can't). So these won't work: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/cut this out https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/insert LASTID a. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...r/BRHYK3X71BAJ b. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...r/8Ff3HsrmASEJ c. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...r/Hk0mfwDsQooJ d. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...r/I0TP541gGk4J But that doesn't work. 9. What you can do though, is cut TWO ID sections out: a. LAST2IDs=738YR8CPsLI/BRHYK3X71BAJ b. LAST2IDs=AGrGZc4i-RA/8Ff3HsrmASEJ c. LAST2IDs=ifuMBLOoGXY/Hk0mfwDsQooJ d. LAST2IDs=s0zBJNaT89Q/I0TP541gGk4J 10. Using those two sections, you reconstruct a Google URL: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...t.home.repair/ + LAST2IDs a. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...sLI/BRHYK3X71B AJ b. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...-RA/8Ff3HsrmAS EJ c. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...GXY/Hk0mfwDsQo oJ d. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...89Q/I0TP541gGk 4J 11. When you go to those four URLs, you get *new* Google URLs for each: a. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ir/738YR8CPsLI b. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ir/AGrGZc4i-RA c. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ir/ifuMBLOoGXY d. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ir/s0zBJNaT89Q 12. So, one way to reconstruct a non-redundant Google Groups URL is to put these three syntactical items together: A. The base URL (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/) B. The newsgroup (alt.home.repair) C. The penultimate ID https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ + alt.home.repair/ + PENULTIMATEID Any good method to go from Message-ID to a Google Groups link? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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