Mr. Mirror and Windows 8

Has any one been able to get Mr. Mirror 2.1 to run in Windows 8.1
I have tried all the compatibility setting But Mr Mirror will not Run
all I get is a mr mirror error box with a RED X in it.
Mr. Mirror runs fine on my Win 7 laptop.
Thanks

Joseph Calderone wrote on 3/29/2015 7:29 AM:
Has any one been able to get Mr. Mirror 2.1 to run in Windows 8.1
I have tried all the compatibility setting But Mr Mirror will not Run
all I get is a mr mirror error box with a RED X in it.
Mr. Mirror runs fine on my Win 7 laptop.
Thanks

Could you tell us what it is? or give us a link to their website, I guess they have one?

On 3/29/2015 09:42 AM, Big_Al wrote:
Joseph Calderone wrote on 3/29/2015 7:29 AM:
Has any one been able to get Mr. Mirror 2.1 to run in Windows 8.1
I have tried all the compatibility setting But Mr Mirror will not Run
all I get is a mr mirror error box with a RED X in it.
Mr. Mirror runs fine on my Win 7 laptop.
Thanks

Could you tell us what it is? or give us a link to their website, I
guess they have one?

Big_Al, it is a file and folder backup program and can still be found he
http://web.archive.org/web/200910031...=mrmirror.html

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 10:39:44 -0400, Joseph Calderone wrote:

On 3/29/2015 09:42 AM, Big_Al wrote:
Joseph Calderone wrote on 3/29/2015 7:29 AM:
Has any one been able to get Mr. Mirror 2.1 to run in Windows 8.1
I have tried all the compatibility setting But Mr Mirror will not
Run
all I get is a mr mirror error box with a RED X in it.
Mr. Mirror runs fine on my Win 7 laptop.
Thanks

Could you tell us what it is? or give us a link to their website, I
guess they have one?

Big_Al, it is a file and folder backup program and can still be found
he
http://web.archive.org/web/200910031....warpgear.com/
index.php?f=mrmirror.html

Try FreeFileSync, great little program.

Joseph Calderone wrote on 3/29/2015 10:39 AM:
On 3/29/2015 09:42 AM, Big_Al wrote:
Joseph Calderone wrote on 3/29/2015 7:29 AM:
Has any one been able to get Mr. Mirror 2.1 to run in Windows 8.1
I have tried all the compatibility setting But Mr Mirror will not Run
all I get is a mr mirror error box with a RED X in it.
Mr. Mirror runs fine on my Win 7 laptop.
Thanks

Could you tell us what it is? or give us a link to their website, I
guess they have one?

Big_Al, it is a file and folder backup program and can still be found he
http://web.archive.org/web/200910031...=mrmirror.html

I found a copy finally on Download.com. I wouldn't download it from there but they had the writeup.

On 3/29/2015 11:14 AM, Big_Al wrote:
Joseph Calderone wrote on 3/29/2015 10:39 AM:
On 3/29/2015 09:42 AM, Big_Al wrote:
Joseph Calderone wrote on 3/29/2015 7:29 AM:
Has any one been able to get Mr. Mirror 2.1 to run in Windows 8.1
I have tried all the compatibility setting But Mr Mirror will not Run
all I get is a mr mirror error box with a RED X in it.
Mr. Mirror runs fine on my Win 7 laptop.
Thanks

Could you tell us what it is? or give us a link to their website, I
guess they have one?

Big_Al, it is a file and folder backup program and can still be found
he
http://web.archive.org/web/200910031...=mrmirror.html


I found a copy finally on Download.com. I wouldn't download it from
there but they had the writeup.


I did a download from there but i did not install the file either.

Joseph Calderone wrote:

Has any one been able to get Mr. Mirror 2.1 to run in Windows 8.1
I have tried all the compatibility setting But Mr Mirror will not Run
all I get is a mr mirror error box with a RED X in it.
Mr. Mirror runs fine on my Win 7 laptop.

So what BIOS type and formatting are used on the hard disks? Since it
looks like Windows 8.1 is for a new computer, it probably has UEFI BIOS
(instead of the old MBR BIOS) and the disks could be formatted using GPT
(instead of the old MBR layout). I brought these questions up in the
alt.comp.freeware newsgroup but you've moved here already (since Mr.
Mirror is not freeware). Was this a computer you built or a pre-built?

If it is pre-built hardware with Windows 8.1 pre-installed then perhaps
UEFI is enabled and the disks are formatted using GPT. The 15-year old
Mr. Mirror program won't know how to handle the new UEFI BIOS and the
GPT formatting of the disks. For such an old program, you would have to
go into the UEFI BIOS and select to revert to legacy [MBR] mode which
probably means having to delete all GPT defined partitions and create
new MBR partitions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified...ware_Interface
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record

On 29/03/2015 18:52, VanguardLH wrote:
Joseph Calderone wrote:

Has any one been able to get Mr. Mirror 2.1 to run in Windows 8.1
I have tried all the compatibility setting But Mr Mirror will not Run
all I get is a mr mirror error box with a RED X in it.
Mr. Mirror runs fine on my Win 7 laptop.

So what BIOS type and formatting are used on the hard disks? Since it
looks like Windows 8.1 is for a new computer, it probably has UEFI BIOS
(instead of the old MBR BIOS) and the disks could be formatted using GPT
(instead of the old MBR layout). I brought these questions up in the
alt.comp.freeware newsgroup but you've moved here already (since Mr.
Mirror is not freeware). Was this a computer you built or a pre-built?

If it is pre-built hardware with Windows 8.1 pre-installed then perhaps
UEFI is enabled and the disks are formatted using GPT. The 15-year old
Mr. Mirror program won't know how to handle the new UEFI BIOS and the
GPT formatting of the disks. For such an old program, you would have to
go into the UEFI BIOS and select to revert to legacy [MBR] mode which
probably means having to delete all GPT defined partitions and create
new MBR partitions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified...ware_Interface
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record


From the website:
"Mr.Mirror creates mirror images of a selection of directories and/or
single files."

Therefore I don't think it'll be at all concerned about partition tables.

I think there's probably some other reason it doesn't like Windows 8.

--

Brian Gregory (in the UK).
To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.

On 3/29/2015 01:52 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Joseph Calderone wrote:

Has any one been able to get Mr. Mirror 2.1 to run in Windows 8.1
I have tried all the compatibility setting But Mr Mirror will not Run
all I get is a mr mirror error box with a RED X in it.
Mr. Mirror runs fine on my Win 7 laptop.

So what BIOS type and formatting are used on the hard disks? Since it
looks like Windows 8.1 is for a new computer, it probably has UEFI BIOS
(instead of the old MBR BIOS) and the disks could be formatted using GPT
(instead of the old MBR layout). I brought these questions up in the
alt.comp.freeware newsgroup but you've moved here already (since Mr.
Mirror is not freeware). Was this a computer you built or a pre-built?

If it is pre-built hardware with Windows 8.1 pre-installed then perhaps
UEFI is enabled and the disks are formatted using GPT. The 15-year old
Mr. Mirror program won't know how to handle the new UEFI BIOS and the
GPT formatting of the disks. For such an old program, you would have to
go into the UEFI BIOS and select to revert to legacy [MBR] mode which
probably means having to delete all GPT defined partitions and create
new MBR partitions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified...ware_Interface
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record

This PC is a Lenovo H530s
BIOS version IEKT20AUS
BIOS mode is UEFI
Formated NTFS

If its going to be to involved I will just try:
Syncback free

Brian Gregory wrote:

On 29/03/2015 18:52, VanguardLH wrote:
Joseph Calderone wrote:

Has any one been able to get Mr. Mirror 2.1 to run in Windows 8.1
I have tried all the compatibility setting But Mr Mirror will not Run
all I get is a mr mirror error box with a RED X in it.
Mr. Mirror runs fine on my Win 7 laptop.

So what BIOS type and formatting are used on the hard disks? Since it
looks like Windows 8.1 is for a new computer, it probably has UEFI BIOS
(instead of the old MBR BIOS) and the disks could be formatted using GPT
(instead of the old MBR layout). I brought these questions up in the
alt.comp.freeware newsgroup but you've moved here already (since Mr.
Mirror is not freeware). Was this a computer you built or a pre-built?

If it is pre-built hardware with Windows 8.1 pre-installed then perhaps
UEFI is enabled and the disks are formatted using GPT. The 15-year old
Mr. Mirror program won't know how to handle the new UEFI BIOS and the
GPT formatting of the disks. For such an old program, you would have to
go into the UEFI BIOS and select to revert to legacy [MBR] mode which
probably means having to delete all GPT defined partitions and create
new MBR partitions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified...ware_Interface
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record


From the website:
"Mr.Mirror creates mirror images of a selection of directories and/or
single files."

If it is nothing more than a file copying utility, there are tons of
much newer replacements for that. FreeFileSync was mentioned. In their
other newsgroup, I mentions SyncBack Free and xxcopy. Another is
Robocopy. Since the product had "mirror" in its title, I figured it was
actually doing a mirror operation (aka RAID 1). If you are correct, the
product was misnamed.

Therefore I don't think it'll be at all concerned about partition tables.
I think there's probably some other reason it doesn't like Windows 8.

In the other newsgroup, I mentioned that many programs that write to
data files in their own install folder won't work because the C:\Program
Files [(x86)] folder is protected; however, that was true back in Win7,
too, where the OP said the program worked okay.

Joseph Calderone wrote:

On 3/29/2015 01:52 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Joseph Calderone wrote:

Has any one been able to get Mr. Mirror 2.1 to run in Windows 8.1
I have tried all the compatibility setting But Mr Mirror will not Run
all I get is a mr mirror error box with a RED X in it.
Mr. Mirror runs fine on my Win 7 laptop.

So what BIOS type and formatting are used on the hard disks? Since it
looks like Windows 8.1 is for a new computer, it probably has UEFI BIOS
(instead of the old MBR BIOS) and the disks could be formatted using GPT
(instead of the old MBR layout). I brought these questions up in the
alt.comp.freeware newsgroup but you've moved here already (since Mr.
Mirror is not freeware). Was this a computer you built or a pre-built?

If it is pre-built hardware with Windows 8.1 pre-installed then perhaps
UEFI is enabled and the disks are formatted using GPT. The 15-year old
Mr. Mirror program won't know how to handle the new UEFI BIOS and the
GPT formatting of the disks. For such an old program, you would have to
go into the UEFI BIOS and select to revert to legacy [MBR] mode which
probably means having to delete all GPT defined partitions and create
new MBR partitions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified...ware_Interface
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record

This PC is a Lenovo H530s
BIOS version IEKT20AUS
BIOS mode is UEFI
Formated NTFS

If its going to be to involved I will just try:
Syncback free

As Brian mentioned, it appears Mr. Mirror, despite its title, is not
performing an mirror operation (RAID 1). It just copies files while
maintaining a folder tree.

Although I mentioned SyncBack Free in the other newsgroup, I used it for
several months but quit because the free version doesn't offer to zip up
the copied files into a compressed archive file (.zip). I wasn't
copying to another hard disk but to my OneDrive online storage which has
a 25GB quota. Compressing the files into a .zip archive let me store
more versions of the backed up files. I wasn't interested in having
just one copy of each data file which would be the last one when it got
copied. I eventually went with a backup program so I could have
multiple backups of files which would allow me to have multiple versions
of the backed up files. If my computer got infected, I wouldn't want to
have just 1 copy of the file because that would also probably be
infected. I'd have to walk back through multiple versions of the file
to find a clean one.

I saw FreeFileSync mentioned as another alternative but don't see
mentioned on their web site that it supports compressing the files into
an archive file (.zip, .7z, whatever). If you don't care about saving
space in the destination then SyncBack Free or FreeFileSync should work.
SyncBack Free says it "Runs on Windows 8, 7, Vista, and XP".
FreeFileSync says it "runs natively on all 32 and 64-bit Windows
versions: Windows 10, Windows 8.1, Windows 8, Windows 7, Windows Vista,
Windows XP, Windows 2000."

I forgot to re-ask: Under what folder is Mr. Mirror installed? If under
C:\Program Files, did you try a different parent folder (as suggested in
the other newsgroup reply)?

On 3/29/2015 07:00 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
I forgot to re-ask: Under what folder is Mr. Mirror installed? If under
C:\Program Files, did you try a different parent folder (as suggested in
the other newsgroup reply)?

Yes i installed in "Program files1"

I had also tried Aiome but didn,t like it because it compressed files
you might try it:
http://www.aomeitech.com/aomei-backupper.html

Joseph Calderone wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

I forgot to re-ask: Under what folder is Mr. Mirror installed? If under
C:\Program Files, did you try a different parent folder (as suggested in
the other newsgroup reply)?

Yes i installed in "Program files1"

Guess it's not the OS protecting C:\Program Files then.

I had also tried Aiome but didn,t like it because it compressed files
you might try it:
http://www.aomeitech.com/aomei-backupper.html

That's a backup program. I have a paid copy of Acronis True Image (ATI)
but found that 3 out of 6 or 7 attempts to restore it couldn't read the
backup image. The last time it took 3 attempts before it finally could
read the files in the backup partition. Before that it complained the
file system was corrupt in the backup partition (on a different disk
dedicated solely for backups) yet a fresh install of the OS and ATI had
it mount the image as an emulated drive just fine from where I could
retrieve the files. So ATI is unreliable when I need to do restores
which is the whole purpose of saving backups.

I'm now using EaseUs ToDo Backup Workstation 8.2 (trial version). I was
going to pay for an upgrade ($19.99) but EaseUs is having a World Backup
Day sale where the Home edition is only $10. Both the Home and
Workstation editions include the pre- and post-command features that let
me run commands to put the backup disk either online or offline (which
means Windows won't let any process write to a disk when offline) and
assign or remove a drive letter (to make it difficult for malware or
users to find the backup files), all of which uses diskpart.exe that
comes in Windows. The pre-command puts the disk online and assigns a
drive letter. The scheduled backup job runs. The post-command removes
the drive letter and offlines the disk. I could even use devcon.exe, a
command-line version of Disk Management (diskmgmt.msc) to enable the
disk (before onlining it and assigning a drive letter) and disable the
disk (after removing the drive letter and offlining the disk but that's
probably more protection than needed for the backups.

I've told EaseUs about Paragon's Backup Capsule and Acronis' Secure Zone
and how they work to get a similar feature into EaseUs ToDo products so
they can read and write to a partition that doesn't have a drive letter
assigned and has a non-standard partition type (so most utilities, even
those in Windows, can't be used to assign a drive letter). While I
protect the backups, there is a window of opportunity to get at them
during the backup job but it's better than leaving the backups always
unprotected. Paragon's Backup Capsule and Acronis' Secure Zone keep the
backups hidden and inaccessible all the time.

I knew about AOEMEI BackUpper but haven't investigated how crippled is
their freeware version. They describe a lot of features but many are
only for their payware versions. Most free backup programs allow you to
only save a full image backup (I think Macrium Reflect Free is that
way). Some freeware backup programs only let you do differential
backups (to reduce the backup size where only the full backup and 1 diff
backup are needed) or only let you do incremental backups (to severely
reduce the backup size but at the cost of a longer and more fragile
backup chain - if one incr backup is lost [corrupted or deleted] then
all incr backups after that are also lost). From their comparison page
(http://www.backup-utility.com/edition-comparison.html), it looks like
AOEMEI's freeware version (if that's their Standard edition) allows for
full, differential, and incremental backups. Didn't see anything about
pre-/post-commands you could add to a scheduled backup job, and you have
to buy their Pro version at $39 to get the CLI (command-line interface)
to run their backup job from the command line (so you could use a batch
file to unhide the backup partition, do the backup, and hide the backup
partition). No mention of something equivalent to Paragon's Backup
Capsule or Acronis' Secure Zone. So I'll probably go with EaseUs ToDo
Backup Home for just $10 until March 30, 2015 (today).

Then there are my data-only backups. One is a "smart" backup that saves
(at 5-minute minimum intervals) an incremental backup of any changes to
the folders with my data files. Every night it rolls (merges) the daily
incrementals into a differential which eventually gets rolled into a
full backup once per month. That is for convenience to give me smaller
granularity in backups, so those go to a partition that isn't hidden.

I also have a data-only backup to goes to a folder which gets
synchronized to online storage (I used OneDrive with my 25GB quota but
it won't reinstall anymore so I went to Google Drive with its 15GB quota
- and both are okay since I don't use more than 7GB with a full plus
daily incrementals for 1 week's retention). At one time, I used
SyncBack Free for these daily data-only backups to online storage.
Alas, I needed something that would compress the backups so there was
room in online storage for them. That would require buying a payware
version of SyncBack. A .zip file means I could use any unzipper to get
at the files within. A backup program does nicely, even a free one,
because it will compress the backup image to save space. Alas, backup
programs each have their own proprietary backup file format.

On 3/30/2015 03:23 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Joseph Calderone wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

I forgot to re-ask: Under what folder is Mr. Mirror installed? If under
C:\Program Files, did you try a different parent folder (as suggested in
the other newsgroup reply)?

Yes i installed in "Program files1"

Guess it's not the OS protecting C:\Program Files then.

I had also tried Aiome but didn,t like it because it compressed files
you might try it:
http://www.aomeitech.com/aomei-backupper.html

That's a backup program. I have a paid copy of Acronis True Image (ATI)
but found that 3 out of 6 or 7 attempts to restore it couldn't read the
backup image. The last time it took 3 attempts before it finally could
read the files in the backup partition. Before that it complained the
file system was corrupt in the backup partition (on a different disk
dedicated solely for backups) yet a fresh install of the OS and ATI had
it mount the image as an emulated drive just fine from where I could
retrieve the files. So ATI is unreliable when I need to do restores
which is the whole purpose of saving backups.

I'm now using EaseUs ToDo Backup Workstation 8.2 (trial version). I was
going to pay for an upgrade ($19.99) but EaseUs is having a World Backup
Day sale where the Home edition is only $10. Both the Home and
Workstation editions include the pre- and post-command features that let
me run commands to put the backup disk either online or offline (which
means Windows won't let any process write to a disk when offline) and
assign or remove a drive letter (to make it difficult for malware or
users to find the backup files), all of which uses diskpart.exe that
comes in Windows. The pre-command puts the disk online and assigns a
drive letter. The scheduled backup job runs. The post-command removes
the drive letter and offlines the disk. I could even use devcon.exe, a
command-line version of Disk Management (diskmgmt.msc) to enable the
disk (before onlining it and assigning a drive letter) and disable the
disk (after removing the drive letter and offlining the disk but that's
probably more protection than needed for the backups.

I've told EaseUs about Paragon's Backup Capsule and Acronis' Secure Zone
and how they work to get a similar feature into EaseUs ToDo products so
they can read and write to a partition that doesn't have a drive letter
assigned and has a non-standard partition type (so most utilities, even
those in Windows, can't be used to assign a drive letter). While I
protect the backups, there is a window of opportunity to get at them
during the backup job but it's better than leaving the backups always
unprotected. Paragon's Backup Capsule and Acronis' Secure Zone keep the
backups hidden and inaccessible all the time.

I knew about AOEMEI BackUpper but haven't investigated how crippled is
their freeware version. They describe a lot of features but many are
only for their payware versions. Most free backup programs allow you to
only save a full image backup (I think Macrium Reflect Free is that
way). Some freeware backup programs only let you do differential
backups (to reduce the backup size where only the full backup and 1 diff
backup are needed) or only let you do incremental backups (to severely
reduce the backup size but at the cost of a longer and more fragile
backup chain - if one incr backup is lost [corrupted or deleted] then
all incr backups after that are also lost). From their comparison page
(http://www.backup-utility.com/edition-comparison.html), it looks like
AOEMEI's freeware version (if that's their Standard edition) allows for
full, differential, and incremental backups. Didn't see anything about
pre-/post-commands you could add to a scheduled backup job, and you have
to buy their Pro version at $39 to get the CLI (command-line interface)
to run their backup job from the command line (so you could use a batch
file to unhide the backup partition, do the backup, and hide the backup
partition). No mention of something equivalent to Paragon's Backup
Capsule or Acronis' Secure Zone. So I'll probably go with EaseUs ToDo
Backup Home for just $10 until March 30, 2015 (today).

Then there are my data-only backups. One is a "smart" backup that saves
(at 5-minute minimum intervals) an incremental backup of any changes to
the folders with my data files. Every night it rolls (merges) the daily
incrementals into a differential which eventually gets rolled into a
full backup once per month. That is for convenience to give me smaller
granularity in backups, so those go to a partition that isn't hidden.

I also have a data-only backup to goes to a folder which gets
synchronized to online storage (I used OneDrive with my 25GB quota but
it won't reinstall anymore so I went to Google Drive with its 15GB quota
- and both are okay since I don't use more than 7GB with a full plus
daily incrementals for 1 week's retention). At one time, I used
SyncBack Free for these daily data-only backups to online storage.
Alas, I needed something that would compress the backups so there was
room in online storage for them. That would require buying a payware
version of SyncBack. A .zip file means I could use any unzipper to get
at the files within. A backup program does nicely, even a free one,
because it will compress the backup image to save space. Alas, backup
programs each have their own proprietary backup file format.

I Believe that aiome now will backup and compress individual folders,
Vanguard
Also have you seen that google drive will no longer be free?
You can still retrieve data from the drive but not upload new data.