OT Slightly Poor internet signal

With every thing going on, we are trying to view the live broadcast from
our church through the the internet. We are having problems getting it.

I have a Samsung Smart TV that can receive my wireless lan signal.
Using the TV I can connect to Facebook and to the church webpage. When
it comes to the live feed, it takes forever to buffer. Note: I watch
some of the YouTube videos on the TV with no problems.


The wireless router is about 35 feet away from the TV on the second
floor of the house, and there is no major items in the direct path of
the signal. My laptop near the TV has no problems receiving the
wireless signal. In fact today we watched the live feed by projecting
the laptop to the TV so both of us could see the service.

I have read that a bad wireless signal can lead to poor operation of the
TV for internet service.

While I cannot move the physical access connection for the internet, I
do have an old router. If I set up that old router as a slave to the
main router with a wireless connection, and hook the TV either hard
wired or wireless to the slave router will that improve the signal?

On 4/12/2020 10:59 AM, knuttle wrote:
With every thing going on, we are trying to view the live broadcast from
our church through the the internet. We are having problems getting it.

I have a Samsung Smart TV that can receive my wireless lan signal. Using
the TV I can connect to Facebook and to the church webpage.Â* When it
comes to the live feed, it takes forever to buffer.Â* Note: I watch some
of the YouTube videos on the TV with no problems.


The wireless router is about 35 feet away from the TV on the second
floor of the house, and there is no major items in the direct path of
the signal.Â* My laptop near the TV has no problems receiving the
wireless signal. In fact today we watched the live feed by projecting
the laptop to the TV so both of us could see the service.

I have read that a bad wireless signal can lead to poor operation of the
TV for internet service.

While I cannot move the physical access connection for the internet, I
do have an old router.Â* If I set up that old router as a slave to the
main router with a wireless connection, and hook the TV either hard
wired or wireless to the slave router will that improve the signal?



Worth a try.

Most of us have time for projects now

knuttle wrote:
With every thing going on, we are trying to view the live broadcast from
our church through the the internet. We are having problems getting it.

I have a Samsung Smart TV that can receive my wireless lan signal. Using
the TV I can connect to Facebook and to the church webpage.Â* When it
comes to the live feed, it takes forever to buffer.Â* Note: I watch some
of the YouTube videos on the TV with no problems.


The wireless router is about 35 feet away from the TV on the second
floor of the house, and there is no major items in the direct path of
the signal.Â* My laptop near the TV has no problems receiving the
wireless signal. In fact today we watched the live feed by projecting
the laptop to the TV so both of us could see the service.

I have read that a bad wireless signal can lead to poor operation of the
TV for internet service.

While I cannot move the physical access connection for the internet, I
do have an old router.Â* If I set up that old router as a slave to the
main router with a wireless connection, and hook the TV either hard
wired or wireless to the slave router will that improve the signal?

Maybe. You did not specify your router wifi speed though.
Try it with some other live feed and not youtube.
If it is ac then 35' is likely way too far and the housing
material would be a serious block.
g would go through the wood but is slow.
n _may_ be a workable compromise.
Wireless extenders work well, sometimes.

On 2020-04-12 12:02 p.m., Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
On 4/12/2020 8:59 AM, knuttle wrote:
With every thing going on, we are trying to view the live broadcast
from our church through the the internet. We are having problems
getting it.

I have a Samsung Smart TV that can receive my wireless lan signal.
Using the TV I can connect to Facebook and to the church webpage.Â*
When it comes to the live feed, it takes forever to buffer.Â* Note: I
watch some of the YouTube videos on the TV with no problems.


The wireless router is about 35 feet away from the TV on the second
floor of the house, and there is no major items in the direct path of
the signal.Â* My laptop near the TV has no problems receiving the
wireless signal. In fact today we watched the live feed by projecting
the laptop to the TV so both of us could see the service.

I have read that a bad wireless signal can lead to poor operation of
the TV for internet service.

While I cannot move the physical access connection for the internet, I
do have an old router.Â* If I set up that old router as a slave to the
main router with a wireless connection, and hook the TV either hard
wired or wireless to the slave router will that improve the signal?

Ask yer phony god to help, asshole.

You're the asshole here. He's kindly asking for assistance and didn't
demand that anyone worship as he does.

To knuttle: chances are that the stream itself is the problem. If you
are watching the live broadcast being streamed to the whole world
simultaneously, there is a chance that equally sharing it across the
board will kill the bandwidth of the sender.

To be sure that your signal isn't weak though, try www.speedtest.net
from a variety of places in your establishment when connected to the
network. Connected to the same wireless network with a connection that
is, let's say, about 100Mbps, you might get 20Mbps in one corner of the
room, 50 in another and 1 in another. Ethernet connectivity is always
best even though wireless is obviously more convenient. My biggest
regret was not asking for the builders of my home to set up Ethernet
cables before closing the walls because my 500Mbps wireless gets me no
more than about 80Mbps one floor higher and about 20Mbps in my bedroom.

In article ,

knuttle says...

I have read that a bad wireless signal can lead to poor operation of the
TV for internet service.

Have you checked The speed your TV is getting using the inbuilt App?

Instructions at https://tinyurl.com/rzuv25d
which leads to:
https://www.samsung.com/au/support/t...-why-is-my-tv-
buffering-when-watching-videos-or-browsing-online/


--
Ken

On 12/04/2020 16:59, knuttle wrote:
With every thing going on, we are trying to view the live broadcast
from our church through the the internet. We are having problems
getting it.

I have a Samsung Smart TV that can receive my wireless lan signal.
Using the TV I can connect to Facebook and to the church webpage. When
it comes to the live feed, it takes forever to buffer.Â* Note: I watch
some of the YouTube videos on the TV with no problems.


The wireless router is about 35 feet away from the TV on the second
floor of the house, and there is no major items in the direct path of
the signal.Â* My laptop near the TV has no problems receiving the
wireless signal. In fact today we watched the live feed by projecting
the laptop to the TV so both of us could see the service.

I have read that a bad wireless signal can lead to poor operation of
the TV for internet service.

While I cannot move the physical access connection for the internet, I
do have an old router.Â* If I set up that old router as a slave to the
main router with a wireless connection, and hook the TV either hard
wired or wireless to the slave router will that improve the signal?

Can you create an extender with old routers or power plugs?Â* My TV is
connected with 12 inch cable (just 1 foot).Â* My broadband modem/router
is very close to it.Â* I have power plugs in other rooms and the signal
is fantastic in al rooms in the house including upstairs.

I am assuming your church broadcast is of better signal; sometimes the
problem lies at that end rather than in your own house.Â* Church people
are not used to online broadcast because this has never happened before
but now they are all learning fast and these are the things to come from
now onwards.Â* People are going to avoid each other even after the
pandemic is over.

--
With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On 4/12/2020 12:39 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
On 2020-04-12 12:02 p.m., Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
On 4/12/2020 8:59 AM, knuttle wrote:
With every thing going on, we are trying to view the live broadcast
from our church through the the internet. We are having problems
getting it.

I have a Samsung Smart TV that can receive my wireless lan signal.
Using the TV I can connect to Facebook and to the church webpage.
When it comes to the live feed, it takes forever to buffer.Â* Note: I
watch some of the YouTube videos on the TV with no problems.


The wireless router is about 35 feet away from the TV on the second
floor of the house, and there is no major items in the direct path of
the signal.Â* My laptop near the TV has no problems receiving the
wireless signal. In fact today we watched the live feed by projecting
the laptop to the TV so both of us could see the service.

I have read that a bad wireless signal can lead to poor operation of
the TV for internet service.

While I cannot move the physical access connection for the internet, I
do have an old router.Â* If I set up that old router as a slave to the
main router with a wireless connection, and hook the TV either hard
wired or wireless to the slave router will that improve the signal?

Ask yer phony god to help, asshole.

You're the asshole here. He's kindly asking for assistance and didn't
demand that anyone worship as he does.

To knuttle: chances are that the stream itself is the problem. If you
are watching the live broadcast being streamed to the whole world
simultaneously, there is a chance that equally sharing it across the
board will kill the bandwidth of the sender.

To be sure that your signal isn't weak though, try www.speedtest.net
from a variety of places in your establishment when connected to the
network. Connected to the same wireless network with a connection that
is, let's say, about 100Mbps, you might get 20Mbps in one corner of the
room, 50 in another and 1 in another. Ethernet connectivity is always
best even though wireless is obviously more convenient. My biggest
regret was not asking for the builders of my home to set up Ethernet
cables before closing the walls because my 500Mbps wireless gets me no
more than about 80Mbps one floor higher and about 20Mbps in my bedroom.

That is another question, When I check the speed using
https://www.speedtest.net/

I get a significantly different reading that I do when I do the test
through the ISP.


To the Colonel. It is sad that the paradigms you live by are so weak
that they can be destroyed by just knowing someone else believes
differently that you.

On 4/12/2020 1:00 PM, Unsteadyken wrote:
In article ,

knuttle says...

I have read that a bad wireless signal can lead to poor operation of the
TV for internet service.

Have you checked The speed your TV is getting using the inbuilt App?

Instructions at https://tinyurl.com/rzuv25d
which leads to:
https://www.samsung.com/au/support/t...-why-is-my-tv-
buffering-when-watching-videos-or-browsing-online/


I will check out the suggestions.

knuttle wrote:
With every thing going on, we are trying to view the live broadcast from
our church through the the internet. We are having problems getting it.

I have a Samsung Smart TV that can receive my wireless lan signal. Using
the TV I can connect to Facebook and to the church webpage. When it
comes to the live feed, it takes forever to buffer. Note: I watch some
of the YouTube videos on the TV with no problems.


The wireless router is about 35 feet away from the TV on the second
floor of the house, and there is no major items in the direct path of
the signal. My laptop near the TV has no problems receiving the
wireless signal. In fact today we watched the live feed by projecting
the laptop to the TV so both of us could see the service.

I have read that a bad wireless signal can lead to poor operation of the
TV for internet service.

While I cannot move the physical access connection for the internet, I
do have an old router. If I set up that old router as a slave to the
main router with a wireless connection, and hook the TV either hard
wired or wireless to the slave router will that improve the signal?

It could be that the Wifi antenna on the TV set, is on
the "wrong side" of the chassis. And is not really
isotropic (working equally in all directions).

As an example, when I couldn't get my Bluetooth experiment
working, I put one device on the end of a USB extension cable,
so the radio waves could be "line-of-sight".

You don't always have to do that, but it's one of many options.

The user manual for the TV set is unlikely to describe
where the Wifi antenna is in the set, it's physical location.

Routers with Wifi, the Wifi antennas can be inside the router
box, or there can be external SMA connectors and rubber ducky
antennas. The rubber ducky is isotropic, in the hope the
signal is received equally around the house.

When an external coax connector is available on the
router, you can connect your own antenna. If the antenna
is removable (not all of them are), you can fit an alternate
antenna.

They sell 30dBi parabolic antennas. But the beamwidth
on such an antenna is narrow. The beamwidth might be only
5 degrees. If you were standing in one end of the house,
and trying to point the antenna with 5 degree accuracy,
it's pretty hard to do it properly.

If you had a 15dBi antenna, maybe the beamwidth is 20 degrees,
and those are easier to tune up.

Naturally the 30dBi antenna would work better.

Strictly speaking, this is illegal, in the sense that
the FCC has unlicensed Wifi usage based on EIRP
(equivalent radiated power). The usage of the 30dBi
antenna, the power level in the middle of the beam,
is well over the "legal limit".

And using the beam, deprives other rooms in the
house, of the signal.

The only purpose of using such an antenna, is to determine
whether the issue is purely a power level issue.

Wifi signals, it would really help if the receiving device
has two "bar graphs" on the display

--- ---
--- ---
--- ---
--- ---
Signal SNR
Level

Now, everyone knows what "signal level" means. This is why
we reach for the beam antenna.

OK, what happens if "Signal Level" bar graph is high,
but SNR is low ? This means that we don't need the beam
antenna, as there is currently enough signal. But, there
*could* be a multipath problem. The signal takes a straight
line path. But the signal also happens to bounce off
the side of the fridge in the kitchen, and arrives at the
antenna 3 nanoseconds later than the straight line signal
does. The radio receiver then becomes "confused" when
extracting the signal. The equivalent SNR metric drops
drastically, and Netflix is now "buffering".

The propagation of Wifi "waves" in a house is quite
chaotic from an "I will adjust this" point of view. It's
hard to use "reasoning" to say "well, if I moved the
fridge three inches to the left, this would stop".
We don't know this. We just know there is an
interference pattern or a reflection or whatever.

The smallnetbuilder.com guy did an experiment once, in
his Wifi test chamber. There is always lots of signal
in his chamber. He threw a "Wifi absorptive mat" into
the lab, and the data transfer rate went *up*, not down.
This was absorbing some multipath signals and improving
the SNR. As it is, when he is doing real testing, he
uses attenuators (because he knows using all the power
of the equipment is detrimental to success).

*******

When Paul wants an A vs B test, he reaches for his
50 foot roll of Ethernet cable. Does Netflix buffer
when the cable is used ? If it did, then we would know
the Wifi wasn't necessarily the whole problem. We
expect the TV to behave itself, when the 50 foot
Ethernet cable is used. (And I use the 50 foot number,
as that is the length of my "emergency cable". When
I do my taxes on the kitchen table, that's the cable
I use :-) )

Paul

"knuttle" wrote

| I have a Samsung Smart TV that can receive my wireless lan signal.
| Using the TV I can connect to Facebook and to the church webpage. When
| it comes to the live feed, it takes forever to buffer. Note: I watch
| some of the YouTube videos on the TV with no problems.
|

Are you sure it's not a bad signal from the webpage?
A lot of people are streaming now who didn't used to be.
Assuming that's not it, why not figure out if you can
wire it? We now have 4 computers and a Pi, all hard
wired back to the router. I wouldn't mess with WiFi
when I can have better security and better signal with
a wire. And 50' or 100' cables are only about $10-15 at
Home Depot.
An iPad with just one wall between it and the router
gets a noticeably degraded signal here. Though that will
also depend on your walls. Mortar walls with metal lathe
will stop the signal. Horsehair plaster is better but not so
great. modern drywall will probably be best, assuming a
minimum of wires and chimneys.

One other thing: I have no idea whether this helps, but maybe
others do. Last week I had trouble streaming a movie. I think it
was the website. But in the meantime I started looking
up settings in Firefox. I increased the values of

media.cache_readahead_limit
media.cache_resume_threshold
media.cache_size

My theory was that if it used a larger cache buffer then
it would be more protected from glitches caused by streaming
not keeping up.

On 4/12/2020 4:56 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"knuttle" wrote

| I have a Samsung Smart TV that can receive my wireless lan signal.
| Using the TV I can connect to Facebook and to the church webpage. When
| it comes to the live feed, it takes forever to buffer. Note: I watch
| some of the YouTube videos on the TV with no problems.
|

Are you sure it's not a bad signal from the webpage?
A lot of people are streaming now who didn't used to be.
Assuming that's not it, why not figure out if you can
wire it? We now have 4 computers and a Pi, all hard
wired back to the router. I wouldn't mess with WiFi
when I can have better security and better signal with
a wire. And 50' or 100' cables are only about $10-15 at
Home Depot.
An iPad with just one wall between it and the router
gets a noticeably degraded signal here. Though that will
also depend on your walls. Mortar walls with metal lathe
will stop the signal. Horsehair plaster is better but not so
great. modern drywall will probably be best, assuming a
minimum of wires and chimneys.

One other thing: I have no idea whether this helps, but maybe
others do. Last week I had trouble streaming a movie. I think it
was the website. But in the meantime I started looking
up settings in Firefox. I increased the values of

media.cache_readahead_limit
media.cache_resume_threshold
media.cache_size

My theory was that if it used a larger cache buffer then
it would be more protected from glitches caused by streaming
not keeping up.


Mine are set to:

media.cache_readahead_limit --- 60
media.cache_resume_threshold --- 30
media.cache_size --- 512000

What do you recomend I change them to.

The only thing we service is the chruch service so it will be a week
before I will see if it fixes it.

"knuttle" wrote

| Mine are set to:
|
| media.cache_readahead_limit --- 60
| media.cache_resume_threshold --- 30
| media.cache_size --- 512000
|
| What do you recomend I change them to.
|

I just guessed and went with 240, 90, 2048000.
My reasoning was that if it's set to keep a bigger
cache and resume the read before the cache gets
so low, that should protect against gaps. But I
really don't know if it will work that way.

I made the adjustment because one night we
were watching a movie on Hoopla and it kept pausing.
But I suspect it was a Hoopla problem. It was also very
slow logging in. It was fixed a couple of days later.
So I don't know how these settings could even be
tested.

On 2020-04-12 2:42 p.m., knuttle wrote:
On 4/12/2020 12:39 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
On 2020-04-12 12:02 p.m., Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
On 4/12/2020 8:59 AM, knuttle wrote:
With every thing going on, we are trying to view the live broadcast
from our church through the the internet. We are having problems
getting it.

I have a Samsung Smart TV that can receive my wireless lan signal.
Using the TV I can connect to Facebook and to the church webpage.
When it comes to the live feed, it takes forever to buffer.Â* Note: I
watch some of the YouTube videos on the TV with no problems.


The wireless router is about 35 feet away from the TV on the second
floor of the house, and there is no major items in the direct path of
the signal.Â* My laptop near the TV has no problems receiving the
wireless signal. In fact today we watched the live feed by projecting
the laptop to the TV so both of us could see the service.

I have read that a bad wireless signal can lead to poor operation of
the TV for internet service.

While I cannot move the physical access connection for the internet, I
do have an old router.Â* If I set up that old router as a slave to the
main router with a wireless connection, and hook the TV either hard
wired or wireless to the slave router will that improve the signal?

Ask yer phony god to help, asshole.

You're the asshole here. He's kindly asking for assistance and didn't
demand that anyone worship as he does.

To knuttle: chances are that the stream itself is the problem. If you
are watching the live broadcast being streamed to the whole world
simultaneously, there is a chance that equally sharing it across the
board will kill the bandwidth of the sender.

To be sure that your signal isn't weak though, try www.speedtest.net
from a variety of places in your establishment when connected to the
network. Connected to the same wireless network with a connection that
is, let's say, about 100Mbps, you might get 20Mbps in one corner of the
room, 50 in another and 1 in another. Ethernet connectivity is always
best even though wireless is obviously more convenient. My biggest
regret was not asking for the builders of my home to set up Ethernet
cables before closing the walls because my 500Mbps wireless gets me no
more than about 80Mbps one floor higher and about 20Mbps in my bedroom.Â*
That is another question, When I check the speed using
https://www.speedtest.net/

I get a significantly different reading that I do when I do the test
through the ISP.

Do you go to the ISP's site or do you do the test from within the
router's configuration page? On my router, my speed test is around
600Mbps up and down but once I get to the next room (the router is in
the garage because of how this house was built), I'm already down to
around 350Mbps. One floor, right above the router and I'm already down
to about 120Mbps. The insulation here is wonderful though and my heating
bills are nil.

On 4/12/2020 11:59 AM, knuttle wrote:
With every thing going on, we are trying to view the live broadcast from
our church through the the internet. We are having problems getting it.

The church's own outgoing Internet connection might be the issue. It
also depends on which software they are using to stream the broadcast.
If they are attempting to stream it directly out of the church to each
individual subscriber then you're going to run into the issues of
bandwidth limitation. If on the other hand, the church is simply
streaming it to Youtube or Twitch, or the various other bandwidth
multiplier sites, then you shouldn't have a problem, other than the
broadcast maybe delayed by a few seconds.

Yousuf Khan