registry

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:27:31 -0400, Claire Brucker wrote:

Just what is the registry? Does it need regular cleaning? If so, how do you
clean it?

AUMHA Discussion: Should I Use a Registry Cleaner?
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
Note the comments from Dr. Mark Russinovich and the reference concerning
ERUNT.

Why I don¢t use registry cleaners!
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html

CCleaner - Free
Cleans temporary internet files, cookies, history, recent urls, application
MRUs, etc. ... (Tune out the registry scanning/fixing option!)
http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/
If Windows Defender is utilized go to Applications, under Utilities uncheck
"Windows Defender" (so it won't delete the history of WD);
Followed by:
NTREGOPT
http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/

Claire Brucker wrote:
Just what is the registry?


The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not turn loose a
poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that
he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every
change.


Does it need regular cleaning?


No, it most certainly does not!


If so, how do you
clean it?





Why do you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
using a registry cleaner?

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands
of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a
useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make
any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
in the hands of the inexperienced user.



--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

Twayne wrote:
Reply below.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

"A Day in the Life of a Web 2.0 Hacker" - PC Magazine
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2330952,00.asp

John John (MVP) wrote:
Twayne wrote:

answered inline

Claire Brucker wrote:

Just what is the registry?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Registry


Does it need regular cleaning? If so,
how do you clean it?

No. In fact - if you have to ask what tthe registry is (even
after you learn it and can explain it to others) - the registry
is better left alone except in particular cases where you are
following specific instructions to add or remove specific things.


That's a little condescending, don't you think? Especially
considering the stated purpose of the post was to find out WHAT
the registry is?

You never answered either question, although you gave a long
boilerplate spew about the perceived dangers of registry cleaners.
Your only purpose in answering thus had to be self-serving, with
no consideration of helping the OP.

The OP asked three questions:

1- Just what is the registry?
2- Does it need regular cleaning?
3- If so, how do you clean it?

Shenan aswered questions 1 & 2, question 3 does not need an answer
because the registry does not need cleaning.

John

I would steer clear of Twayne. S/He's on this crusade over registry
cleaners and won't be denied.

The "crusade" is really about misinformation; in this case against
closed minded zealots who refuse to verify/clarify/validate their
claims in any way. His adamancy is bolstered by absolutely nothing
based in fact and reality around the issue. Otherwise he would
either accept the challenge or admit to the "evidence" and other
things I've provided him over the last couple of years and tried to
convince me otherwise with facts rather than blind proclamations.

You haven't once provided any real *factual evidence* on this.
Oh, wait a minute, I stand corrected: you saw it as "factual
evidence". Point taken.

OH yes, I have. You just don't recall it and are too lazy to look for
it. It's there and Brucey boy knows it because he half responded to
one, ignored the others.


When one becomes that closed
minded they become dangerous to anyone who might listen to them
because they don't reason things out.

Self-projection noted, once again. And you have my sympathies.

I think you need to get down where the air supply to your brain is a
little better; t'ain't working.

Oh, come on now. Don't you know by now that Twayne knows much more about
this than Dr. Mark Russinovich? For shame, boy!

ROFL.

Kayman wrote:
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:27:31 -0400, Claire Brucker wrote:

Just what is the registry? Does it need regular cleaning? If so, how do
you
clean it?

AUMHA Discussion: Should I Use a Registry Cleaner?
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
Note the comments from Dr. Mark Russinovich and the reference concerning
ERUNT.

Why I don¢t use registry cleaners!
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html

CCleaner - Free
Cleans temporary internet files, cookies, history, recent urls,
application
MRUs, etc. ... (Tune out the registry scanning/fixing option!)
http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/
If Windows Defender is utilized go to Applications, under Utilities
uncheck
"Windows Defender" (so it won't delete the history of WD);
Followed by:
NTREGOPT
http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/

I find it of interest that Microsoft has chosen to provide the Live OneCare
registry cleaner in an product they call the free Live OneCare Safety Scanner
which has seen absolutely *NO* Microsoft maintenance or support since 2006,
yet that is the only Safety Scanner function not also provided as a part of
the Live OneCare subscription product that is supported functionally by
Microsoft. Particularly considering the recommendation to run regular
monthly registry cleanings in that referenced article, you would think
Microsoft's smart marketing folks would have sweetened the subscription
OneCare pot by throwing the scheduled run of a Registry Cleaner in too.
Perhaps they were concerned with having to actually support the repair of
broken registries... do you think?
--
Regards, Dave


"db.·.. ))) ·` .. ." wrote:

and the daily double is:

What is http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm


--

db·´¯`·...¸)))º


"Claire Brucker" wrote in message ...
Just what is the registry? Does it need regular cleaning? If so, how do you clean it?

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:30:40 -0600, Bill in Co. wrote:

Oh, come on now. Don't you know by now that Twayne knows much more about
this than Dr. Mark Russinovich? For shame, boy!

ROFL.

:-)

Twayne wrote:
Reply below.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

"A Day in the Life of a Web 2.0 Hacker" - PC Magazine
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2330952,00.asp

John John (MVP) wrote:
Twayne wrote:

answered inline

Claire Brucker wrote:

Just what is the registry?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Registry


Does it need regular cleaning? If so,
how do you clean it?
No. In fact - if you have to ask what tthe registry is (even after
you learn it and can explain it to others) - the registry is better
left alone except in particular cases where you are following
specific instructions to add or remove specific things.

That's a little condescending, don't you think? Especially
considering the stated purpose of the post was to find out WHAT the
registry is?

You never answered either question, although you gave a long
boilerplate spew about the perceived dangers of registry cleaners.
Your only purpose in answering thus had to be self-serving, with no
consideration of helping the OP.
The OP asked three questions:

1- Just what is the registry?
2- Does it need regular cleaning?
3- If so, how do you clean it?

Shenan aswered questions 1 & 2, question 3 does not need an answer
because the registry does not need cleaning.

John
I would steer clear of Twayne. S/He's on this crusade over registry
cleaners and won't be denied.

The "crusade" is really about misinformation; in this case against
closed minded zealots who refuse to verify/clarify/validate their claims
in any way. His adamancy is bolstered by absolutely nothing based in
fact and reality around the issue. Otherwise he would either accept the
challenge or admit to the "evidence" and other things I've provided him
over the last couple of years and tried to convince me otherwise with
facts rather than blind proclamations. When one becomes that closed
minded they become dangerous to anyone who might listen to them because
they don't reason things out.

If these cleaners are so darn good why are none of the MVPs or other
experts recommending them? It's quite a stretch for us to think that
you are right and that all the others who have a wealth of experience
and an immense collective amount of expertise are all wrong! The fact
is that there are only two or three persons here who think these
cleaners are worthwhile and all the others think that they provide
little to no benefits and that they do at times cause great damage. We
do see people posting reports of problems that they have had after using
these cleaners, these posters are not zealots with closed mind trying to
obfuscate the issues, they are real people with real problems caused by
those cleaners. I will take my advice from the pros and not use these
products, I have used them in the past but now my own experience tells
me that they do nothing at all to improve performance and reading posts
from those who have problems after using these programs is enough to
convince me that the pros are right and that you are wrong.

M

mark r. doesn't impress me.

he controdicts himself when
he says leave the registry alone,
but creates a freeware to
defrag it.

so he is a hypocrite and
manipulative or confused.

while he was still in diapers,
many of us were serving our
country in the military and have
already been using computers.


--

db·´¯`·...¸)))º


"Kayman" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:30:40 -0600, Bill in Co. wrote:

Oh, come on now. Don't you know by now that Twayne knows much more about
this than Dr. Mark Russinovich? For shame, boy!

ROFL.

:-)

well, because safety
scanner is a web interface,
so its engineering is different
from that which is fully installed
and integrated with the o.s.
on the h.d.

plus if one is going to pay
for something, then paying
customers always get priority.

likewise, wealthy citizens always
get priority with government while
poor ones do not.

--

db·´¯`·...¸)))º

"Dave M" wrote in message ...
I find it of interest that Microsoft has chosen to provide the Live OneCare
registry cleaner in an product they call the free Live OneCare Safety Scanner
which has seen absolutely *NO* Microsoft maintenance or support since 2006,
yet that is the only Safety Scanner function not also provided as a part of
the Live OneCare subscription product that is supported functionally by
Microsoft. Particularly considering the recommendation to run regular
monthly registry cleanings in that referenced article, you would think
Microsoft's smart marketing folks would have sweetened the subscription
OneCare pot by throwing the scheduled run of a Registry Cleaner in too.
Perhaps they were concerned with having to actually support the repair of
broken registries... do you think?
--
Regards, Dave


"db.·.. ))) ·` .. ." wrote:

and the daily double is:

What is http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm


--

db·´¯`·...¸)))º


"Claire Brucker" wrote in message ...
Just what is the registry? Does it need regular cleaning? If so, how do you clean it?

If paying customers always get priority then why aren't they getting a
built-in registry cleaner? If this is as important as you claim surely
one would thing that it would be part of the "paid for" package? It
looks like you are contradicting yourself...

John

db.·.. ))) ·` .. . wrote:

well, because safety
scanner is a web interface,
so its engineering is different
from that which is fully installed
and integrated with the o.s.
on the h.d.

plus if one is going to pay
for something, then paying
customers always get priority.

likewise, wealthy citizens always
get priority with government while
poor ones do not.

Twayne wrote:
Reply below.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

"A Day in the Life of a Web 2.0 Hacker" - PC Magazine
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2330952,00.asp

John John (MVP) wrote:
Twayne wrote:

answered inline

Claire Brucker wrote:

Just what is the registry?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Registry


Does it need regular cleaning? If so,
how do you clean it?
No. In fact - if you have to ask what tthe registry is (even
after you learn it and can explain it to others) - the registry
is better left alone except in particular cases where you are
following specific instructions to add or remove specific things.

That's a little condescending, don't you think? Especially
considering the stated purpose of the post was to find out WHAT
the registry is?

You never answered either question, although you gave a long
boilerplate spew about the perceived dangers of registry cleaners.
Your only purpose in answering thus had to be self-serving, with
no consideration of helping the OP.
The OP asked three questions:

1- Just what is the registry?
2- Does it need regular cleaning?
3- If so, how do you clean it?

Shenan aswered questions 1 & 2, question 3 does not need an answer
because the registry does not need cleaning.

John
I would steer clear of Twayne. S/He's on this crusade over registry
cleaners and won't be denied.

The "crusade" is really about misinformation; in this case against
closed minded zealots who refuse to verify/clarify/validate their
claims in any way. His adamancy is bolstered by absolutely nothing
based in fact and reality around the issue. Otherwise he would
either accept the challenge or admit to the "evidence" and other
things I've provided him over the last couple of years and tried to
convince me otherwise with facts rather than blind proclamations.
When one becomes that closed minded they become dangerous to anyone
who might listen to them because they don't reason things out.

If these cleaners are so darn good why are none of the MVPs or other
experts recommending them? It's quite a stretch for us to think that
you are right and that all the others who have a wealth of experience
and an immense collective amount of expertise are all wrong! The fact
is that there are only two or three persons here who think these
cleaners are worthwhile and all the others think that they provide
little to no benefits and that they do at times cause great damage. We
do see people posting reports of problems that they have had after
using these cleaners, these posters are not zealots with closed mind
trying to obfuscate the issues, they are real people with real
problems caused by those cleaners. I will take my advice from the
pros and not use these products, I have used them in the past but now
my own experience tells me that they do nothing at all to improve
performance and reading posts from those who have problems after
using these programs is enough to convince me that the pros are right
and that you are wrong.
M

Your ability to count is certainly lacking. Also "MVP" means nothing
other than the fact that they passed a test and got the title handed to
them. It's easy enough to read about it on their site if you're really
interested. MVPs are also people; they are good, bad and indifferent
just like everyone else and there have been the occasional bad apples
and posers along the lines, too. Being an MVP doesn't make one a "PRO",
it simply means they demonstrated some knownledge of whatever area of
the computer they chose to take the test in. Most anyone can become an
MVP. That includes closed minded people who have NO evidence for the
things they post, and who also never have shown any valid representation
of what they are claiming. Be cautious or you'll end up being a sock
puppet for the wrong person; it's easy to do if you're too gullible and
don't bother to verify the claims that anyone, not just MVPs, make on
groups and around the 'net.
Actually, there is only one MVP with the ignorance and ego to have to
post years-old boilerplate about registry software and says it's all
"snake oil". Most of the other MVPs are reasonable, thinking people who
are intelligent and seldom simply concentrate on only one application,
registry cleaners, and who will paint the entire world a single color.
I tend to appreciate MVPs when I know one has his certificate based on
the area I may be seeking assistance with. Some however, think that
because they are certified for networks say, also feel it enables them
to hand out misinformation in any area they wish to, whether it relates
to their area of expertise or not.

I have no problem with you or your opinion of the MVP situation;
that's your perogative. I do urge you however to verify information and
not just take it on blind faith because they put a title after their
name. I have a few titles too, but I don't find the need to advertise
them or worse yet use them as some kind of tool to make people think I'm
greater than I am. There are a couple of MVPs that would do well to
remember that for themselves, and to re-read their "rules of the road"
for MVPs. I won't but some people would report them for almost any
infraction. But I'm not out to punish; in tihs case I'm only out to
stop misinformation, which the "all registry cleaners are bad" line is;
it's pure bunk and the one touting that line even knows it.

Regards,

Twayne

MVPs don't take *tests*

"Twayne" wrote in message
...
: Twayne wrote:
: Reply below.
: ---
: Leonard Grey
: Errare humanum est
:
: "A Day in the Life of a Web 2.0 Hacker" - PC Magazine
: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2330952,00.asp
:
: John John (MVP) wrote:
: Twayne wrote:
:
: answered inline
:
: Claire Brucker wrote:
:
: Just what is the registry?
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Registry
:
:
: Does it need regular cleaning? If so,
: how do you clean it?
: No. In fact - if you have to ask what tthe registry is (even
: after you learn it and can explain it to others) - the registry
: is better left alone except in particular cases where you are
: following specific instructions to add or remove specific things.
:
: That's a little condescending, don't you think? Especially
: considering the stated purpose of the post was to find out WHAT
: the registry is?
:
: You never answered either question, although you gave a long
: boilerplate spew about the perceived dangers of registry cleaners.
: Your only purpose in answering thus had to be self-serving, with
: no consideration of helping the OP.
: The OP asked three questions:
:
: 1- Just what is the registry?
: 2- Does it need regular cleaning?
: 3- If so, how do you clean it?
:
: Shenan aswered questions 1 & 2, question 3 does not need an answer
: because the registry does not need cleaning.
:
: John
: I would steer clear of Twayne. S/He's on this crusade over registry
: cleaners and won't be denied.
:
: The "crusade" is really about misinformation; in this case against
: closed minded zealots who refuse to verify/clarify/validate their
: claims in any way. His adamancy is bolstered by absolutely nothing
: based in fact and reality around the issue. Otherwise he would
: either accept the challenge or admit to the "evidence" and other
: things I've provided him over the last couple of years and tried to
: convince me otherwise with facts rather than blind proclamations.
: When one becomes that closed minded they become dangerous to anyone
: who might listen to them because they don't reason things out.
:
: If these cleaners are so darn good why are none of the MVPs or other
: experts recommending them? It's quite a stretch for us to think that
: you are right and that all the others who have a wealth of experience
: and an immense collective amount of expertise are all wrong! The fact
: is that there are only two or three persons here who think these
: cleaners are worthwhile and all the others think that they provide
: little to no benefits and that they do at times cause great damage. We
: do see people posting reports of problems that they have had after
: using these cleaners, these posters are not zealots with closed mind
: trying to obfuscate the issues, they are real people with real
: problems caused by those cleaners. I will take my advice from the
: pros and not use these products, I have used them in the past but now
: my own experience tells me that they do nothing at all to improve
: performance and reading posts from those who have problems after
: using these programs is enough to convince me that the pros are right
: and that you are wrong.
: M
:
: Your ability to count is certainly lacking. Also "MVP" means nothing
: other than the fact that they passed a test and got the title handed to
: them. It's easy enough to read about it on their site if you're really
: interested. MVPs are also people; they are good, bad and indifferent
: just like everyone else and there have been the occasional bad apples
: and posers along the lines, too. Being an MVP doesn't make one a "PRO",
: it simply means they demonstrated some knownledge of whatever area of
: the computer they chose to take the test in. Most anyone can become an
: MVP. That includes closed minded people who have NO evidence for the
: things they post, and who also never have shown any valid representation
: of what they are claiming. Be cautious or you'll end up being a sock
: puppet for the wrong person; it's easy to do if you're too gullible and
: don't bother to verify the claims that anyone, not just MVPs, make on
: groups and around the 'net.
: Actually, there is only one MVP with the ignorance and ego to have to
: post years-old boilerplate about registry software and says it's all
: "snake oil". Most of the other MVPs are reasonable, thinking people who
: are intelligent and seldom simply concentrate on only one application,
: registry cleaners, and who will paint the entire world a single color.
: I tend to appreciate MVPs when I know one has his certificate based on
: the area I may be seeking assistance with. Some however, think that
: because they are certified for networks say, also feel it enables them
: to hand out misinformation in any area they wish to, whether it relates
: to their area of expertise or not.
:
: I have no problem with you or your opinion of the MVP situation;
: that's your perogative. I do urge you however to verify information and
: not just take it on blind faith because they put a title after their
: name. I have a few titles too, but I don't find the need to advertise
: them or worse yet use them as some kind of tool to make people think I'm
: greater than I am. There are a couple of MVPs that would do well to
: remember that for themselves, and to re-read their "rules of the road"
: for MVPs. I won't but some people would report them for almost any
: infraction. But I'm not out to punish; in tihs case I'm only out to
: stop misinformation, which the "all registry cleaners are bad" line is;
: it's pure bunk and the one touting that line even knows it.
:
: Regards,
:
: Twayne
:
:

"Twayne" wrote in message
...
Twayne wrote:
Reply below.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

"A Day in the Life of a Web 2.0 Hacker" - PC Magazine
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2330952,00.asp

John John (MVP) wrote:
Twayne wrote:

answered inline

Claire Brucker wrote:

Just what is the registry?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Registry


Does it need regular cleaning? If so,
how do you clean it?
No. In fact - if you have to ask what tthe registry is (even
after you learn it and can explain it to others) - the registry
is better left alone except in particular cases where you are
following specific instructions to add or remove specific things.

That's a little condescending, don't you think? Especially
considering the stated purpose of the post was to find out WHAT
the registry is?

You never answered either question, although you gave a long
boilerplate spew about the perceived dangers of registry cleaners.
Your only purpose in answering thus had to be self-serving, with
no consideration of helping the OP.
The OP asked three questions:

1- Just what is the registry?
2- Does it need regular cleaning?
3- If so, how do you clean it?

Shenan aswered questions 1 & 2, question 3 does not need an answer
because the registry does not need cleaning.

John
I would steer clear of Twayne. S/He's on this crusade over registry
cleaners and won't be denied.

The "crusade" is really about misinformation; in this case against
closed minded zealots who refuse to verify/clarify/validate their
claims in any way. His adamancy is bolstered by absolutely nothing
based in fact and reality around the issue. Otherwise he would
either accept the challenge or admit to the "evidence" and other
things I've provided him over the last couple of years and tried to
convince me otherwise with facts rather than blind proclamations. When
one becomes that closed minded they become dangerous to anyone
who might listen to them because they don't reason things out.

If these cleaners are so darn good why are none of the MVPs or other
experts recommending them? It's quite a stretch for us to think that
you are right and that all the others who have a wealth of experience
and an immense collective amount of expertise are all wrong! The fact
is that there are only two or three persons here who think these
cleaners are worthwhile and all the others think that they provide
little to no benefits and that they do at times cause great damage. We do
see people posting reports of problems that they have had after
using these cleaners, these posters are not zealots with closed mind
trying to obfuscate the issues, they are real people with real
problems caused by those cleaners. I will take my advice from the
pros and not use these products, I have used them in the past but now
my own experience tells me that they do nothing at all to improve
performance and reading posts from those who have problems after
using these programs is enough to convince me that the pros are right
and that you are wrong.
M

Your ability to count is certainly lacking. Also "MVP" means nothing
other than the fact that they passed a test and got the title handed to
them. It's easy enough to read about it on their site if you're really
interested. MVPs are also people; they are good, bad and indifferent just
like everyone else and there have been the occasional bad apples and
posers along the lines, too. Being an MVP doesn't make one a "PRO", it
simply means they demonstrated some knownledge of whatever area of the
computer they chose to take the test in. Most anyone can become an MVP.
That includes closed minded people who have NO evidence for the things
they post, and who also never have shown any valid representation of what
they are claiming. Be cautious or you'll end up being a sock puppet for
the wrong person; it's easy to do if you're too gullible and don't bother
to verify the claims that anyone, not just MVPs, make on groups and around
the 'net.
Actually, there is only one MVP with the ignorance and ego to have to
post years-old boilerplate about registry software and says it's all
"snake oil". Most of the other MVPs are reasonable, thinking people who
are intelligent and seldom simply concentrate on only one application,
registry cleaners, and who will paint the entire world a single color. I
tend to appreciate MVPs when I know one has his certificate based on the
area I may be seeking assistance with. Some however, think that because
they are certified for networks say, also feel it enables them to hand out
misinformation in any area they wish to, whether it relates to their area
of expertise or not.

I have no problem with you or your opinion of the MVP situation; that's
your perogative. I do urge you however to verify information and not just
take it on blind faith because they put a title after their name. I have
a few titles too, but I don't find the need to advertise them or worse yet
use them as some kind of tool to make people think I'm greater than I am.
There are a couple of MVPs that would do well to remember that for
themselves, and to re-read their "rules of the road" for MVPs. I won't
but some people would report them for almost any infraction. But I'm not
out to punish; in tihs case I'm only out to stop misinformation, which the
"all registry cleaners are bad" line is; it's pure bunk and the one
touting that line even knows it.

Regards,

Twayne

Your BS is no more useful than the BS of others although you seem to think
it is. Your long and tiresome posts and tirades advocating the usefulness
of Registry Cleaners are to most nothing other then nonsense, surely even
you must have detected that from the responses you have received. If
Registry Cleaners are as useful as you seem to think it would be very
obvious to all and their usefulness would be simply verifiable and no debate
would be necessary, in fact that is not the case. Further, I would think
that those that market these programs would by now have devised a very
simple 'test' to show how useful their programs are, as far as I know no
such test or demonstration of their efficacy exists. I know you have made
such an offer but you have no credibility. From your responses to your
critics it appears you must believe there exists some sort of conspiracy to
discredit these programs. Why would that be the case?

We all know by now how much you faith you have in these programs, please
give the 'unconverted' the courtesy to know you are totally wrong in
everything you have said on the subject.

Twayne wrote:
Twayne wrote:
Reply below.
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John John (MVP) wrote:
Twayne wrote:

answered inline

Claire Brucker wrote:

Just what is the registry?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Registry


Does it need regular cleaning? If so,
how do you clean it?
No. In fact - if you have to ask what tthe registry is (even
after you learn it and can explain it to others) - the registry
is better left alone except in particular cases where you are
following specific instructions to add or remove specific things.
That's a little condescending, don't you think? Especially
considering the stated purpose of the post was to find out WHAT
the registry is?

You never answered either question, although you gave a long
boilerplate spew about the perceived dangers of registry cleaners.
Your only purpose in answering thus had to be self-serving, with
no consideration of helping the OP.
The OP asked three questions:

1- Just what is the registry?
2- Does it need regular cleaning?
3- If so, how do you clean it?

Shenan aswered questions 1 & 2, question 3 does not need an answer
because the registry does not need cleaning.

John
I would steer clear of Twayne. S/He's on this crusade over registry
cleaners and won't be denied.
The "crusade" is really about misinformation; in this case against
closed minded zealots who refuse to verify/clarify/validate their
claims in any way. His adamancy is bolstered by absolutely nothing
based in fact and reality around the issue. Otherwise he would
either accept the challenge or admit to the "evidence" and other
things I've provided him over the last couple of years and tried to
convince me otherwise with facts rather than blind proclamations.
When one becomes that closed minded they become dangerous to anyone
who might listen to them because they don't reason things out.
If these cleaners are so darn good why are none of the MVPs or other
experts recommending them? It's quite a stretch for us to think that
you are right and that all the others who have a wealth of experience
and an immense collective amount of expertise are all wrong! The fact
is that there are only two or three persons here who think these
cleaners are worthwhile and all the others think that they provide
little to no benefits and that they do at times cause great damage. We
do see people posting reports of problems that they have had after
using these cleaners, these posters are not zealots with closed mind
trying to obfuscate the issues, they are real people with real
problems caused by those cleaners. I will take my advice from the
pros and not use these products, I have used them in the past but now
my own experience tells me that they do nothing at all to improve
performance and reading posts from those who have problems after
using these programs is enough to convince me that the pros are right
and that you are wrong.
M

Your ability to count is certainly lacking.

Maybe you are right, I said that only two or three persons in these
groups recommend these utilities, in reality there are only two persons
who recommend them, you and that horrible person who goes by the
initials "db". db is suffering from disillusions, he now thinks that he
knows more about these things than Dr. Russinovich!

As for your comments about MVPs all I can say is that they certainly
know more about Windows than you or I do so I'll take their word before
yours. I said that "none of the MVPs or other experts" are recommending
these cleaners, the "other experts" includes all the other very
knowledgeable persons here who aren't MVPs, I don't see any of them
supporting your position so please excuse me but I think that you are
wrong about these cleaners.

M

db.·.. ))) ·` .. . wrote:
mark r. doesn't impress me.

he controdicts himself when
he says leave the registry alone,
but creates a freeware to
defrag it.

so he is a hypocrite and
manipulative or confused.

while he was still in diapers,
many of us were serving our
country in the military and have
already been using computers.

Oh the irony of it all. Now you are the one in diapers and you still
don't know anything about computers!