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  #241  
Old February 26th 20, 12:09 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"PeteG" wrote

| This guy?
|
| https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/
|
Yes. That's it. I didn't find it in the MS index.


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  #242  
Old February 26th 20, 12:11 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"Ken Blake" wrote

| Then there's "bespoke", to describe custom software.
| Lots of words I never heard before computers.
|
| I've never seen or heard "bespoke" used for anything but custom-made
| clothing.

Nor had I. But in programming groups people
commonly use it to mean basically the same thing:
Software custom tailored to the customer's needs.


  #243  
Old February 26th 20, 01:54 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Worperfect vs Word et alia was Image formats

Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Blake" wrote

| Then there's "bespoke", to describe custom software.
| Lots of words I never heard before computers.
|
| I've never seen or heard "bespoke" used for anything but custom-made
| clothing.

Nor had I. But in programming groups people
commonly use it to mean basically the same thing:
Software custom tailored to the customer's needs.



The term hails from a particular country.

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/bespoke

That's why nobody is going to recognize that here.

The very same people who keep their spare tire in the "boot"
invented that term.

Paul
  #244  
Old February 26th 20, 04:21 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mayayana
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"Paul" wrote

| The term hails from a particular country.
|
| https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/bespoke
|
| That's why nobody is going to recognize that here.
|
| The very same people who keep their spare tire in the "boot"
| invented that term.
|

I didn't know that. It helps explain why it's
such an odd usage, and why I hadn't heard
of it before.


  #245  
Old February 26th 20, 04:35 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , Paul
writes:
Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Blake" wrote

| Then there's "bespoke", to describe custom software.
| Lots of words I never heard before computers.
|
| I've never seen or heard "bespoke" used for anything but custom-made
| clothing.
Nor had I. But in programming groups people
commonly use it to mean basically the same thing:
Software custom tailored to the customer's needs.


The term hails from a particular country.

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/bespoke

That's why nobody is going to recognize that here.

The very same people who keep their spare tire in the "boot"
invented that term.

Paul


Close but no cigar - if it's in the boot, it's a spare tyre (-:.

As for "bespoke" as applied to software, it appeared as suddenly for me
as for you; I'd assumed it was a US usage we'd adopted! I knew it as
applied to tailoring (though not a word much in use here for that either
- not many can afford bespoke tailoring!).
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  #246  
Old February 26th 20, 01:26 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| Close but no cigar - if it's in the boot, it's a spare tyre (-:.
|

He was probably trying to help you save face by
not pointing out that you spell it wrong. What colour
is your tire? Or is it aluminnium?

| As for "bespoke" as applied to software, it appeared as suddenly for me
| as for you; I'd assumed it was a US usage we'd adopted!

A curious mystery. It's probably safe to say that whoever
coined it, it was an attempt by marketers and trade
organizations to valorize the field, generally. Contract
software sounds nuts-and-bolts. Bespoke is suggestive of
that magical word that everyone wants to apply to their
business these days: artisanal. As in, artisanal beer or
artisanal bread. It's what "natural" was in the 80s. Vague,
pretentious, signalling a very high price, and claiming to
be a work of art.

I remember in the early days of PC mania there were all
sorts of changes in the term for people who write software.
Author, developer, builder, architect, engineer. Architect
then got corralled into the horrendous verb form: to
architect a solution. These people were so lacking in
aesthetic sense that they didn't even understand that
an architect's job is partially aesthetic. They just thought
the title sounded swank.
Finally people settled on engineer, even though most
software authors are not engineers and the licensing generally
casts software as a creative product, worthy of copyright.

Apropos of that, I was recently on a job where the owner
wanted to check for mice in her new house. A "pest technician"
was scheduled to come and inspect... I expect he's architecting
a bleeding edge mitigation protocol.


  #247  
Old February 26th 20, 03:22 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 2/25/2020 6:54 PM, Paul wrote:
Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Blake" wrote

| Then there's "bespoke", to describe custom software.
| Lots of words I never heard before computers.
|
| I've never seen or heard "bespoke" used for anything but custom-made
| clothing.

Nor had I. But in programming groups people
commonly use it to mean basically the same thing:
Software custom tailored to the customer's needs.



The term hails from a particular country.

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/bespoke

That's why nobody is going to recognize that here.

The very same people who keep their spare tire in the "boot"
invented that term.



No, those people don't have spare tires. They have spare tyres.


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  #248  
Old February 26th 20, 07:55 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_7_]
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Default Worperfect vs Word et alia was Image formats

In message , Mayayana
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| Close but no cigar - if it's in the boot, it's a spare tyre (-:.
|

He was probably trying to help you save face by
not pointing out that you spell it wrong. What colour
is your tire? Or is it aluminnium?


(No double n.)

| As for "bespoke" as applied to software, it appeared as suddenly for me
| as for you; I'd assumed it was a US usage we'd adopted!

A curious mystery. It's probably safe to say that whoever
coined it, it was an attempt by marketers and trade
organizations to valorize the field, generally. Contract
software sounds nuts-and-bolts. Bespoke is suggestive of
that magical word that everyone wants to apply to their
business these days: artisanal. As in, artisanal beer or
artisanal bread. It's what "natural" was in the 80s. Vague,
pretentious, signalling a very high price, and claiming to
be a work of art.


Exactly. I'm happy with "custom" - though that usually means software
more or less written from scratch for the job, whereas "bespoke" _tends_
to be some standard package, tweaked a bit (say by incorporating the
customer's name/logo). Definitely pretentious.

I remember in the early days of PC mania there were all
sorts of changes in the term for people who write software.
Author, developer, builder, architect, engineer. Architect
then got corralled into the horrendous verb form: to
architect a solution. These people were so lacking in
aesthetic sense that they didn't even understand that
an architect's job is partially aesthetic. They just thought
the title sounded swank.


(-:

Finally people settled on engineer, even though most
software authors are not engineers and the licensing generally
casts software as a creative product, worthy of copyright.


And they don't stop using other engineering terms - everything's a
"tool", for example. To me, a profiling tool is something I might buy as
an attachment to a drill or other machine tool, to put a shaped edge on
something (such as beading); however, these days, journalists use them
when writing about people. (Not that there aren't some people -
politicians in particular - I'd like to take my sort of profiling tool
to ...!)

Apropos of that, I was recently on a job where the owner
wanted to check for mice in her new house. A "pest technician"
was scheduled to come and inspect... I expect he's architecting
a bleeding edge mitigation protocol.

Rodent operative? I think pest control expert is probably what we'd say.
(Or, if employed by the local authority, pest control officer - I
think.)

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Michel Roux Jr in Radio Times 2-8 February 2013
  #249  
Old February 27th 20, 01:55 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" on Wed, 26 Feb 2020
19:55:51 +0000 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

Apropos of that, I was recently on a job where the owner
wanted to check for mice in her new house. A "pest technician"
was scheduled to come and inspect... I expect he's architecting
a bleeding edge mitigation protocol.

Rodent operative? I think pest control expert is probably what we'd say.
(Or, if employed by the local authority, pest control officer - I
think.)


I love the euphemism / buzzword job descriptions. "retail
associate for a international recreational pharmaceutical import and
distribution association."
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