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  #211  
Old February 24th 20, 01:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Worperfect vs Word et alia was Image formats

Ken Blake on Sun, 23 Feb 2020 10:24:45 -0700
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 2/23/2020 9:56 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" on Sun, 23 Feb 2020
11:11:42 +0000 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:


In many of these cases, we probably have muscle memory of how to do it
in whichever one we're used to.


And that, as much as anything, is the basis for a lot of
complaints: WP v Word. Win-XP vs Windows 7,8,10..N, the new car vs the
old one, etc, etc.


I suppose that's possible for me with WordPerfect vs Word, but I don't
think so. I'll grant you the possibility, though.

But with XP vs later versions oF Windows, old car vs new car, definitely
not. Except for Windows Me and 8, I've always thought that each version
of Windows was better than its predecessor. Similarly, I've liked each
new car I've gotten better than the one before it.


Let me be clear, I do not care about the improvements to windows
"behind the screen." That is whether it is electrons or elves drawing
pictures, doesn't matter. What annoys me is that when I look at the
desktop screen, I can't find the icon for "desktop". There is one,
but not the one that I'm looking for.
I recently bought a Toyota van, and for the first month or so,
regularly turned on the windshield wipers when I got home. Why?
Because the last van had the shifter on the column, and my "muscle
memory" had me putting it in park as part of stopping. Only on this
van, that lever ran the windshield wipers. (On my last Toyota, that
lever ran the lights).
And now, because the shifter is dash mounted, I find myself
unconsciously shifting out of gear at stops, because I drove four on
the floor alot.

I was used to XP, after however many years (12, I think). I had to
upgrade to 7 when the old box died, and I hadn't the time to figure
out how things work here. Like I say "The shift lever now runs the
windshield wiper."

For others, the basis for complaints? Yes, I agree with that.

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Old February 24th 20, 01:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Worperfect vs Word et alia was Image formats

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" on Sun, 23 Feb 2020
21:09:18 +0000 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
In message , pyotr
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" on Sun, 23 Feb 2020
11:11:42 +0000 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

[]
Word's style system _does_ have a "change all 36 examples of this
style?" prompt. (Thanks for mention of Format Painter - so that's what
it's for! I've never used it.)


And see, you've learned something new about your preferred
software.


Actually, it's not my _preferred_: unlike most other similar situations,
where the one I know _is_ my preferred, it's just the one I know (a lot
of) how to use. I suppose that does make it my preferred in that I don't
want to learn another one, but I don't really have an affection for it -
in fact much about it (Word) irritates me.


"It may be a poorly assembled kludge of unrelated subroutines, but
it is the one I know."
[]
Like engineering standards, (and computer standards), the nice
thing is there are so many to chose from.


"You are in a maze of twisty standards, all different." (Not original -
and only those of a certain age will get the reference ...)


LOL!
[]
I also suspect that that there is a lot of "legacy" standards from
the days of pen and parchment.

Quill pen, indeed, for legal work. (Actually, much has been done
recently - in UK legal circles, anyway - to improve the
comprehensibility of legal text: the days of hundreds-of-words sentences
and no punctuation are mostly gone.)

My understanding is that the UK requires all Statues to be
recorded using oak gall ink.
But I was thinking about paper sizes as well.
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  #213  
Old February 24th 20, 01:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"Mayayana" on Sun, 23 Feb 2020 08:36:08
-0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
"pyotr filipivich" wrote


| goes into a lot of the details of the inside goings on. Simply put,
| WP changes things "going forward" where as Word treats everything as
| an object.
| quote:
| "... illustrate these concepts further by using a real-life example
| that you would commonly encounter when word processing:
|

Thanks for that info. I'm used to the standardized menu
approach. Edit - Select All, etc. It sounds like WP is easier
but more esoteric. Not "discoverable".


Up to a point, you could just use it as any other. But even WP
recognized that the options for function keys were confusing enough
that they issued a template to fit around them, listing Plain, Alt,
Shift and Control results. E.G.,
F7 is a hard left indent
Shift F7 is Hard Center On Margin
Ctrl-F7 is Hard left tab followed by hard back tab. (Allows for
hanging indented paragraph)
Alt-F7 does a hard Flush Right.
and so on and so forth (fifth and sixth). Powerful, but not easily
discoverable.


This reminds me of the early "desktop publishing" by
yuppies showing off that they could print their party
announcement or lost cat notice with a boxy, robo-font,
and staple those to telephone poles. Which was amazing at
the time. I'd had some expeirence with paste-up. Want
a booklet? Call the typesetter, read out the text. Tell them
font, paragraph starts, etc. Order a photostat, or photo
of the text. Slice it up carefully and lay it out on cardboard,
using rubber cement. Then send that to the printer. Here were
people doing the whole thing in their home office. Primitive,
but it worked.


That was a "selling point" "You too can do ... on your computer
with your own dot matrix printer."
When it started, it was just so fantastically cool. "We are
living in the future, Soon, we'll have flying cars!" Etc, etc.

I never went to college and didn't know how to turn on
a computer in that timeframe. Nor did I have $5,000 to
buy one. As amazing as desktop publishing was, for most
of us there was no reason to be involved with it.


And for so many, even today, they turn on The Computer, type their
letter / email and send it off. How it gets from here to grandma's
they have no idea, anymore Grandma knew how Snail Mail gets from their
mailbox to their grandmother's house.

So I bypassed DOS and keyboard shortcuts entirely, as well
as the early days of MACs.

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  #214  
Old February 24th 20, 01:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"Mayayana" on Sun, 23 Feb 2020 09:06:16
-0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
"pyotr filipivich" wrote

| Back in the day, when I was doing that, it was 8.3. And all text
| files, even the uucp files. For me, it worked that I could save a
| posting as TECHREDU.TPM and know it was from talk.politics.misc

I see. But that was back when all files just
opened on your DOS screen, no?


Back when Windows was a shell script. (Windows 3.11 for
Workgroups. I had ... friends.)

I suppose back then
the whole point of an extension would have been what
you were doing. I hadn't thought of that. It's interesting
that we're all mostly in the same age range, yet
we come from different generations of computer
tech.


And that is it. I was talking with a couple kids (fresh out of
high school) and doing a bit of "I remember when 128k of Ram was
huge!" (When I was a your age there were only 4 elements, and three
continents; Snake wore shoes and dirt was two pounds a pound,if you
could get it!)
I recall stories from my time in the comsci world, of guys who
took the summer job and never did finish their AA.
Ha! I was visiting my brother, and his house mate said he was
unable to teach network protocols [he was one of The Gurus of an
arcane element of the subject, if there had been a textbook, he'd have
been the author] at the Berkeley extension program, because he lacked
a Bachelor's Degree. In anything.
My brother rounds on him, points his finger at him, and says "What
did I tell you, back at St Olaf'!? Graduate! Get the Degree, amount to
something, But nooo, you had to drop out, become the big time hotshot
consultant, flying allover the country making the hundreds of
thousands of dollars! And now you can't teach at Berkeley Because you
don't have a degree. Oy! Your mother and I as so ashamed."
Oy vey is right. The schtick sometimes got rather deep in that
household...

Whether there were giants in those days, or nobody knew better -
who knows.


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  #215  
Old February 24th 20, 01:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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nospam on Sun, 23 Feb 2020 12:31:56 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
In article , Ken Blake
wrote:
Again, what are you attempting to do? Send a letter? No need to
get out the printing press, a typewriter will do.

Two points:

The first one is personal: I used to own a very good, very expensive IBM
typewriter; I gave it away soon after I got my first PC, in 1987.

But more important, as far as I'm concerned, is that a typewriter is a
*very* poor substitute for almost any word processor. Even a primitive
word processor like WordPad (really more a glorified text editor than a
real word processor) is *far* better than a typewriter, for the
following reasons:

1. a word processor makes it much easier to correct errors.

2. a word processor makes it much easier to add text in the middle of
the letter, should it be desired.

3. a word processor makes it much easier to rearrange the order of the text.

4. a word processor lets you save the letter so it can be sent others,
with or without modifications.

5. a word processor lets you easily modify text as desired, changing to
bold, italics, larger font etc. Not only can you do this as you type,
but it's easy to go back and do it after you've finished typing the
letter. Even if you have a fancy typewriter that can do it, it can't go
back to do it.

6. Probably lots of other reasons, but the above are the ones that
quickly come to mind.


embedded graphics. paste a photo or chart in the middle of the text,
with the text wrapping around if desired.

formatting and layout. text can easily be put in columns for a
brochure, flyer or booklet, including on both sides of the page and
done so that it folds properly.

interoperability with other apps. embed a chart from excel, and when
the spreadsheet data updates, so does the text document that has just
the chart.

table of contents & index automatically updated as the document changes.

hypertext and password protected documents.


But do I need that capacity in order to "jot down" the shopping
list? As I should have said: the analogy is between using a
typewriter to write a letter, and using a printing press.
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Old February 24th 20, 01:19 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 08:56:40 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Steve Hayes on Sun, 23 Feb 2020 10:23:09 +0200
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:


I still use Xywite, a DOS word rocessor that is more powerful than MS
Word, and fits on a 360 floppy disk.

It lacks the bells and whistles that Word has, but as wordprocessors
go, it has more pistons and cylinders.


Again, what are you attempting to do? Send a letter? No need to
get out the printing press, a typewriter will do.


I do have a typewiter, but haven't used it for 20 years. Getting it
out of the cupboard and dusting it off and finding the ink in the
ribbon has dried out is more schlep than simply typing it. And yes, I
use MS Word for snail mail letters. because its limited word
processing abilities are up to that task.

But for editing academic texts, XyWrite is better.




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Old February 24th 20, 01:25 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 11:11:42 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

I actually see very little discussion of Wordpad.


It's a bit clunky.

When I want a simple rtf editor (no footnotes or indexes) I use
RoughDraft or Jarte in preference to WordPad -- both are free.


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  #218  
Old February 24th 20, 01:30 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:19:43 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

You remind me of the old Works suite; a cheaper alternative to Office -
it had a word processor and a spreadsheet, I can't remember whether a
presentation package or anything else. It was basic, but I think the WP
was slightly better than Write (which is another WP that was better than
given credit for). Works also was undemanding on computer resources. The
last edition or two, it came with (the then-current version of) Word (or
it might have been the previous one) rather than its own WP, since WP
was all _most_ home users needed. I'm still convinced MS killed off
Works because it was affecting the sales of Office.


It came with my 10-year-old laptop, and I played with it a bit. It
seems quite nice but i haven't used it for any serious work.




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Old February 24th 20, 02:10 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Worperfect vs Word et alia was Image formats

In article , pyotr
filipivich wrote:

Again, what are you attempting to do? Send a letter? No need to
get out the printing press, a typewriter will do.
Two points:

The first one is personal: I used to own a very good, very expensive IBM
typewriter; I gave it away soon after I got my first PC, in 1987.

But more important, as far as I'm concerned, is that a typewriter is a
*very* poor substitute for almost any word processor. Even a primitive
word processor like WordPad (really more a glorified text editor than a
real word processor) is *far* better than a typewriter, for the
following reasons:

1. a word processor makes it much easier to correct errors.

2. a word processor makes it much easier to add text in the middle of
the letter, should it be desired.

3. a word processor makes it much easier to rearrange the order of the
text.

4. a word processor lets you save the letter so it can be sent others,
with or without modifications.

5. a word processor lets you easily modify text as desired, changing to
bold, italics, larger font etc. Not only can you do this as you type,
but it's easy to go back and do it after you've finished typing the
letter. Even if you have a fancy typewriter that can do it, it can't go
back to do it.

6. Probably lots of other reasons, but the above are the ones that
quickly come to mind.


embedded graphics. paste a photo or chart in the middle of the text,
with the text wrapping around if desired.

formatting and layout. text can easily be put in columns for a
brochure, flyer or booklet, including on both sides of the page and
done so that it folds properly.

interoperability with other apps. embed a chart from excel, and when
the spreadsheet data updates, so does the text document that has just
the chart.

table of contents & index automatically updated as the document changes.

hypertext and password protected documents.


But do I need that capacity in order to "jot down" the shopping
list? As I should have said: the analogy is between using a
typewriter to write a letter, and using a printing press.


a word processor is the wrong choice for a shopping list.

there are much better options, some of which can optimize the order of
the items to minimize the amount of walking between aisles in the
store.

use the best tool for the job.
  #220  
Old February 24th 20, 02:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:10:31 PM UTC-7, nospam wrote:
In article , pyotr
filipivich wrote:

Again, what are you attempting to do? Send a letter? No need to
get out the printing press, a typewriter will do.
Two points:

The first one is personal: I used to own a very good, very expensive IBM
typewriter; I gave it away soon after I got my first PC, in 1987.

But more important, as far as I'm concerned, is that a typewriter is a
*very* poor substitute for almost any word processor. Even a primitive
word processor like WordPad (really more a glorified text editor than a
real word processor) is *far* better than a typewriter, for the
following reasons:

1. a word processor makes it much easier to correct errors.

2. a word processor makes it much easier to add text in the middle of
the letter, should it be desired.

3. a word processor makes it much easier to rearrange the order of the
text.

4. a word processor lets you save the letter so it can be sent others,
with or without modifications.

5. a word processor lets you easily modify text as desired, changing to
bold, italics, larger font etc. Not only can you do this as you type,
but it's easy to go back and do it after you've finished typing the
letter. Even if you have a fancy typewriter that can do it, it can't go
back to do it.

6. Probably lots of other reasons, but the above are the ones that
quickly come to mind.

embedded graphics. paste a photo or chart in the middle of the text,
with the text wrapping around if desired.

formatting and layout. text can easily be put in columns for a
brochure, flyer or booklet, including on both sides of the page and
done so that it folds properly.

interoperability with other apps. embed a chart from excel, and when
the spreadsheet data updates, so does the text document that has just
the chart.

table of contents & index automatically updated as the document changes.

hypertext and password protected documents.


But do I need that capacity in order to "jot down" the shopping
list? As I should have said: the analogy is between using a
typewriter to write a letter, and using a printing press.


a word processor is the wrong choice for a shopping list.

there are much better options, some of which can optimize the order of
the items to minimize the amount of walking between aisles in the
store.

use the best tool for the job.




Do you believe the lies Doomsdrzej is posting? It is easy as pie to cherrypick by focusing on a handful of special cases clashing from what's typical. What matters more from an honest advocates point of view are the common usages.

I will not ask Doomsdrzej how any part of F. Russell's body tastes no matter how regularly Doomsdrzej smooches it. Just look at Doomsdrzej's programs and look at F. Russell's, there is nothing for me to learn from an idiot like Doomsdrzej. But knock yourself out, let him keep making a cretin of himself. I am sure one of his stooges will come to the rescue. It's a spam message. Doomsdrzej has already decided what he is going to say before he calls.. What you say just a reaction. What F. Russell says is irrelevant. Both F. Russell and Doomsdrzej had their malfunctions and their messes. One presented it as the effect of ghosts and didn't do anything too appalling that could not be presented as the wagging of a dog. His desire is to see F. Russell chased away by killing of any discussion. And hey, that could work.

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  #221  
Old February 24th 20, 03:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 6:28:56 PM UTC-7, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:19:43 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

You remind me of the old Works suite; a cheaper alternative to Office -
it had a word processor and a spreadsheet, I can't remember whether a
presentation package or anything else. It was basic, but I think the WP
was slightly better than Write (which is another WP that was better than
given credit for). Works also was undemanding on computer resources. The
last edition or two, it came with (the then-current version of) Word (or
it might have been the previous one) rather than its own WP, since WP
was all _most_ home users needed. I'm still convinced MS killed off
Works because it was affecting the sales of Office.


It came with my 10-year-old laptop, and I played with it a bit. It
seems quite nice but i haven't used it for any serious work.




--
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http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
http://khanya.wordpress.com




Tattoo Vampire and RonB both lie repeatedly and flagrantly and continue to do so. So no sense in showing any further respect or judiciousness.

Nearly all advocates in this group do customizations either as a necessity or as a vocation, so I doubt RonB thinks of writing macros to be "black magic". It was Tattoo Vampire who flooded RonB's site hundreds of thousands of times and denied it. BTW, I've already shown that his use of "cult-like" to describe honest people is argumentum ad hominem, since he's likening them to sled dogs. Valuable content creation will leave once the druggies overindulge. That, and there will always be a snit thrower or two in an unmoderated usenet group. The flooding BS aside, we've all seen who usually blames others when he doesn't get anyone on his side.



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  #222  
Old February 24th 20, 03:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:10:31 PM UTC-7, nospam wrote:
In article , pyotr
filipivich wrote:

Again, what are you attempting to do? Send a letter? No need to
get out the printing press, a typewriter will do.
Two points:

The first one is personal: I used to own a very good, very expensive IBM
typewriter; I gave it away soon after I got my first PC, in 1987.

But more important, as far as I'm concerned, is that a typewriter is a
*very* poor substitute for almost any word processor. Even a primitive
word processor like WordPad (really more a glorified text editor than a
real word processor) is *far* better than a typewriter, for the
following reasons:

1. a word processor makes it much easier to correct errors.

2. a word processor makes it much easier to add text in the middle of
the letter, should it be desired.

3. a word processor makes it much easier to rearrange the order of the
text.

4. a word processor lets you save the letter so it can be sent others,
with or without modifications.

5. a word processor lets you easily modify text as desired, changing to
bold, italics, larger font etc. Not only can you do this as you type,
but it's easy to go back and do it after you've finished typing the
letter. Even if you have a fancy typewriter that can do it, it can't go
back to do it.

6. Probably lots of other reasons, but the above are the ones that
quickly come to mind.

embedded graphics. paste a photo or chart in the middle of the text,
with the text wrapping around if desired.

formatting and layout. text can easily be put in columns for a
brochure, flyer or booklet, including on both sides of the page and
done so that it folds properly.

interoperability with other apps. embed a chart from excel, and when
the spreadsheet data updates, so does the text document that has just
the chart.

table of contents & index automatically updated as the document changes.

hypertext and password protected documents.


But do I need that capacity in order to "jot down" the shopping
list? As I should have said: the analogy is between using a
typewriter to write a letter, and using a printing press.


a word processor is the wrong choice for a shopping list.

there are much better options, some of which can optimize the order of
the items to minimize the amount of walking between aisles in the
store.

use the best tool for the job.




Yup. Clearly this is what we have to stop. Psychopaths who clearly have no reason for being here other than to flood. Why would Shadow understand me if you believe there is a possibility that I use sock puppets? That literally makes you feel OK? This is the classic 'principle' by those calling themselves 'liberals', you must 'absolve' yourself, you are no longer presumed innocent, you are presumed guilty until you are forced to use socks, which I can not do in this environment. These morons get their jollies out of triggering emotional replies to their nonsense, which is the very definition of a troll.

"Somewhere between 1999 or 2008 I trusted Shadow - the absolutely irrational liar" - Peter the Cöwardly Liön. His goal is to see me irritated by nonstop flooding. And hey, that could or could not... you know what I mean.



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  #223  
Old February 24th 20, 03:12 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 2/23/2020 6:12 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
nospam on Sun, 23 Feb 2020 12:31:56 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
In article , Ken Blake
wrote:
Again, what are you attempting to do? Send a letter? No need to
get out the printing press, a typewriter will do.
Two points:

The first one is personal: I used to own a very good, very expensive IBM
typewriter; I gave it away soon after I got my first PC, in 1987.

But more important, as far as I'm concerned, is that a typewriter is a
*very* poor substitute for almost any word processor. Even a primitive
word processor like WordPad (really more a glorified text editor than a
real word processor) is *far* better than a typewriter, for the
following reasons:

1. a word processor makes it much easier to correct errors.

2. a word processor makes it much easier to add text in the middle of
the letter, should it be desired.

3. a word processor makes it much easier to rearrange the order of the text.

4. a word processor lets you save the letter so it can be sent others,
with or without modifications.

5. a word processor lets you easily modify text as desired, changing to
bold, italics, larger font etc. Not only can you do this as you type,
but it's easy to go back and do it after you've finished typing the
letter. Even if you have a fancy typewriter that can do it, it can't go
back to do it.

6. Probably lots of other reasons, but the above are the ones that
quickly come to mind.


embedded graphics. paste a photo or chart in the middle of the text,
with the text wrapping around if desired.

formatting and layout. text can easily be put in columns for a
brochure, flyer or booklet, including on both sides of the page and
done so that it folds properly.

interoperability with other apps. embed a chart from excel, and when
the spreadsheet data updates, so does the text document that has just
the chart.

table of contents & index automatically updated as the document changes.

hypertext and password protected documents.



All of the things he added *are* advantages of a word processor. But
they have nothing to do with writing a letter, which is what you posted
about and my reply was about. So everything he added is irrelevant.



But do I need that capacity in order to "jot down" the shopping
list?



No. I make shopping lists with a pencil and paper, and that's fine for
me. But the subthread you started is about writing a letter. My reply
was meant to point out some of the giant advantages of a word processor
over a typewriter in writing a letter.

Thinking about this some more, I remembered that back in the days before
word processors, when I used to occasionally write a letter, it was
almost always hand-written. The only time I ever typed anything was if I
was writing a business letter; even then I would usually hand-write it
and have it typed by a secretary.

I was, and still am, a terrible typist, and I make many typos. So my
first point above ("a word processor makes it much easier to correct
errors") is very significant to me.

And concerning correcting errors, let me add two other points:

1. A word processor (or other software running on the computer, such as
AutoHotkey, which I use) can correct many errors automatically, so you
don't have to do anything; for example, I often mistype "teh" for "the."
but I never even get to see the "teh"; AutoHotkey changes it as soon as
I type it.

2. Yes, if you use a typewriter you can use white paint to paint out a
word and then retype the correct word over it. So if I type "teh," I can
paint it out and retype "the." But it's a nuisance to do that, and if
you don't do it before you've removed the page from the typewriter, it's
very hard to put the page back and line it up properly. And if the
erroneous word isn't the same length as the correct one, this doesn't
work at all; for example, I often type "rember" when I mean "remember."
Painting out the error won't work for that.


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Old February 24th 20, 03:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Worperfect vs Word et alia was Image formats

On 2/23/2020 6:55 AM, Mayayana wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| I actually see very little discussion of Wordpad.

I don't think most people know it exists. I find that
most people don't even know Notepad exists.



I wouldn't say "most" for either of those, but I agree that it's a lot.


Either they
use MS Word for work, or they don't need word processing
outside of email. I run into people who don't know cut,
copy, paste!



Yep! I run into such people too.


But it's been my impression that Wordpad is essentially
the old version of Word.



No, I'm almost sure it's not. Rather, it's a stripped down version of
Word. It's stripped down to give people with Windows *something* but not
too much. If it got too close to Word, Word would be very hard to sell.


It could probably easily satisfy
most peoples' needs if it were polished up a bit.



Yes.


MS probably
keep it primitive deliberately.



Yes, for the reason I stated above.


Though RTF format has had
several upgrades over the years. (I know that because
my own code editor uses a RichEdit window -- the basis
of Wordpad -- and I do the formatting "by hand", building
the RTF code for syntax color highlighting by parsing the
text and adding the RTF markers, because it's much faster than
using SendMessage API to a RichEdit window. A RichEdit
is amazingly capable, yet it's also a standard component
of any Windows install.)

I think that, also, standardization can't be overestimated.
Schools and businesses use MS Word. If you don't have
the latest version "you're a rotten egg". It really is that
childish. When my neice was at college around 2005-ish
she told me they were forced to buy MS Office. I don't
know exactly what "forced" meant, but to her it clearly
meant there was no choice in the classes she was taking.
Which makes sense. The teachers probably all had MS Office
and it's likely that not one of them would have had any idea
how to deal with anything but a DOC file. Most of them
probably didn't even know about file extensions. The
conveniences also serve as chains, locking people in.



I agree with most of that paragraph.


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Old February 24th 20, 03:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Worperfect vs Word et alia was Image formats

On 2/24/2020 8:12 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

And concerning correcting errors, let me add two other points:

1. A word processor (or other software running on the computer, such as
AutoHotkey, which I use) can correct many errors automatically, so you
don't have to do anything; for example, I often mistype "teh" for "the."
but I never even get to see the "teh"; AutoHotkey changes it as soon as
I type it.



By the way, I prefer AutoHotkey to what my word processor (WordPerfect)
can do. That's because AutoHothey's corrections work in all programs
(here for example) not just in WordPerfect.


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