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On 2/23/2020 6:12 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Ken Blake on Sun, 23 Feb 2020 10:24:45 -0700
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 2/23/2020 9:56 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" on Sun, 23 Feb 2020
11:11:42 +0000 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

In many of these cases, we probably have muscle memory of how to do it
in whichever one we're used to.

And that, as much as anything, is the basis for a lot of
complaints: WP v Word. Win-XP vs Windows 7,8,10..N, the new car vs the
old one, etc, etc.

I suppose that's possible for me with WordPerfect vs Word, but I don't
think so. I'll grant you the possibility, though.

But with XP vs later versions oF Windows, old car vs new car, definitely
not. Except for Windows Me and 8, I've always thought that each version
of Windows was better than its predecessor. Similarly, I've liked each
new car I've gotten better than the one before it.

Let me be clear, I do not care about the improvements to windows
"behind the screen." That is whether it is electrons or elves drawing
pictures, doesn't matter.


Just in case you thought otherwise of me, I completely agree with you on
that.


What annoys me is that when I look at the
desktop screen, I can't find the icon for "desktop". There is one,
but not the one that I'm looking for.
I recently bought a Toyota van, and for the first month or so,
regularly turned on the windshield wipers when I got home. Why?
Because the last van had the shifter on the column, and my "muscle
memory" had me putting it in park as part of stopping. Only on this
van, that lever ran the windshield wipers. (On my last Toyota, that
lever ran the lights).
And now, because the shifter is dash mounted, I find myself
unconsciously shifting out of gear at stops, because I drove four on
the floor alot.


Making changes just for the sake of making changes is reprehensible.
Yes, Microsoft and most car manufacturers are guilty of that. Something
should be changed only when the new way is clearly better than the old way.

And when a change is made, the manufacturer should make every effort to
clearly explain to the user what has been changed, why it was changed,
and how to do it the new way. Microsoft and and most car manufacturers
don't do that.


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Ken

On 2/23/2020 2:09 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , pyotr
filipivich writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" on Sun, 23 Feb 2020
11:11:42 +0000 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
[]
Word's style system _does_ have a "change all 36 examples of this
style?" prompt. (Thanks for mention of Format Painter - so that's what
it's for! I've never used it.)

And see, you've learned something new about your preferred
software.

Actually, it's not my _preferred_: unlike most other similar situations,
where the one I know _is_ my preferred, it's just the one I know (a lot
of) how to use. I suppose that does make it my preferred in that I don't
want to learn another one, but I don't really have an affection for it -
in fact much about it (Word) irritates me.
[]
Like engineering standards, (and computer standards), the nice
thing is there are so many to chose from.

"You are in a maze of twisty standards, all different." (Not original -
and only those of a certain age will get the reference ...)


Yep!

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Ken

On 2/23/2020 6:25 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 11:11:42 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

I actually see very little discussion of Wordpad.

It's a bit clunky.

When I want a simple rtf editor (no footnotes or indexes) I use
RoughDraft or Jarte in preference to WordPad -- both are free.



I know it's overkill. but I use WordPerfect. I use it because it's what
I'm most familiar with and it's therefore easiest for me.



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Ken

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 8:34:59 AM UTC-7, Ken Blake wrote:
On 2/23/2020 2:09 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , pyotr
filipivich writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" on Sun, 23 Feb 2020
11:11:42 +0000 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
[]
Word's style system _does_ have a "change all 36 examples of this
style?" prompt. (Thanks for mention of Format Painter - so that's what
it's for! I've never used it.)

And see, you've learned something new about your preferred
software.

Actually, it's not my _preferred_: unlike most other similar situations,
where the one I know _is_ my preferred, it's just the one I know (a lot
of) how to use. I suppose that does make it my preferred in that I don't
want to learn another one, but I don't really have an affection for it -
in fact much about it (Word) irritates me.
[]
Like engineering standards, (and computer standards), the nice
thing is there are so many to chose from.

"You are in a maze of twisty standards, all different." (Not original -
and only those of a certain age will get the reference ...)


Yep!

--
Ken



-hh has a _lot_ of proficiency to contribute and he could learn to answer questions. Of course this is I think the least appropriate locale for doing that because much of the responses are whining, lying, and other crap. Pay for a consumer report on Apd and you will get proof that he was in a penitentiary more than once. Not surprising to anyone. The probes don't go into that level of specificity and court records need to be subpoenaed.

Several of us reported him years ago. As expected, it did naught to thwart the dunce. You can say I am James Bond for all I care.



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Steve Hayes on Mon, 24 Feb 2020 03:30:09 +0200
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:19:43 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
You remind me of the old Works suite; a cheaper alternative to Office -
it had a word processor and a spreadsheet, I can't remember whether a
presentation package or anything else. It was basic, but I think the WP
was slightly better than Write (which is another WP that was better than
given credit for). Works also was undemanding on computer resources. The
last edition or two, it came with (the then-current version of) Word (or
it might have been the previous one) rather than its own WP, since WP
was all _most_ home users needed. I'm still convinced MS killed off
Works because it was affecting the sales of Office.

It came with my 10-year-old laptop, and I played with it a bit. It
seems quite nice but i haven't used it for any serious work.

I had an old Zenith Laptop with Works on it. It beat the heck out
of copying from the reference to a notebook, and then from the
notebook into the spreadsheet. Fewer chances for error. "fewer".
I don't remember if it had the 'modern' efficiency which assumed
that certain number patters must be a date, and changes the display.
Eg entering "10-12" is not "December 10th" by the time before noon. I
understand that this "feature" has made many a scientific spreadsheet
unusable, because abbreviations get transformed into dates, destroying
the data along the way.

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Ken Blake on Mon, 24 Feb 2020 08:12:27 -0700
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:


But do I need that capacity in order to "jot down" the shopping
list?


No. I make shopping lists with a pencil and paper, and that's fine for
me. But the subthread you started is about writing a letter. My reply
was meant to point out some of the giant advantages of a word processor
over a typewriter in writing a letter.

And as I said, I think you missed the analogy.
Typewriter is to text editor
as
Printing Press is to Wordprocessor.

It is all about using the appropriate technique. For example, most
of us know what an Illuminated Manuscript is (Book of Kells.) Very
elaborate and stylized. But that was not used for contracts,
commentary, treaties, charters, and other documents. And then there
is/was the "hand" used for daily use: letters, memorandum, inventory
control, and other "data entry and record keeping". They don't call
it "******* secretary" for no reason.

Thinking about this some more, I remembered that back in the days before
word processors, when I used to occasionally write a letter, it was
almost always hand-written. The only time I ever typed anything was if I
was writing a business letter; even then I would usually hand-write it
and have it typed by a secretary.

I was, and still am, a terrible typist, and I make many typos.

In the words of my uncle, "I am a good speller, just a bad
typist."

So my first point above ("a word processor makes it much easier to correct
errors") is very significant to me.

And me too. OTOH, I find I don't make the spelling errors when
writing (and even fewer when I used the dip pen).
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pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

nospam on Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:10:26 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

But do I need that capacity in order to "jot down" the shopping
list? As I should have said: the analogy is between using a
typewriter to write a letter, and using a printing press.

a word processor is the wrong choice for a shopping list.

there are much better options, some of which can optimize the order of
the items to minimize the amount of walking between aisles in the
store.

use the best tool for the job.

Sometimes a text file shopping list is the best thing.

Some times I use a pen and paper notebook. Like when I don't have
a computer handy.
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pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

Steve Hayes on Mon, 24 Feb 2020 03:19:06 +0200
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 08:56:40 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Steve Hayes on Sun, 23 Feb 2020 10:23:09 +0200
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

I still use Xywite, a DOS word rocessor that is more powerful than MS
Word, and fits on a 360 floppy disk.

It lacks the bells and whistles that Word has, but as wordprocessors
go, it has more pistons and cylinders.

Again, what are you attempting to do? Send a letter? No need to
get out the printing press, a typewriter will do.

I do have a typewiter, but haven't used it for 20 years. Getting it
out of the cupboard and dusting it off and finding the ink in the
ribbon has dried out is more schlep than simply typing it. And yes, I
use MS Word for snail mail letters. because its limited word
processing abilities are up to that task.

But for editing academic texts, XyWrite is better.

Exactly.

While talking about this with my wife, I used the term "text editing".
Which notepad is excellent for: text in, text out, nothing fancy
embedded in said file.
For the note to mother, it "works". For the plain text document,
it works. For trying to produce a complex document, with headers,
footnotes, chapter breaks, etc, it doesn't work. (It is days like
this when I am reminded of the "simplicity" of vi.)

Like I said, I have a manual typewriter (somewhere) which is great
for filling out those multi-part time"cards" I needed as a temp to get
paid. (WD-40 will rejuvenate most typewriter ribbons "enough".) But
I'm not a great typists, so anything more than a three by five card is
going to get done on the computer.
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pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

Ken Blake on Mon, 24 Feb 2020 08:33:56 -0700
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

Making changes just for the sake of making changes is reprehensible.

I suspect that a lot of the nerds at MS make those changes because
they can, they think it a better way, they want to improve this. The
issue is that their work is the software / interface. They don't
really think about the people whose "work" is using the
software/interface.
(I remember a short story: the protagonist memorized the German
Railroad time table, and he thought that people took trains because
they didn't know/believe the timetables. It was quite a shock when he
learned that the time tables were published so that people could take
trains to places. After a period of despondency, he decided he would
count all the front steps in Germany. And so he set out to travel
Germany (by train) to count all the steps in all the cities.)

Yes, Microsoft and most car manufacturers are guilty of that. Something
should be changed only when the new way is clearly better than the old way.

And sometimes it is, but I'm _used_ to having the high beam
selector on the floor.
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pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 10:34:16 AM UTC-7, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Ken Blake on Mon, 24 Feb 2020 08:12:27 -0700
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:


But do I need that capacity in order to "jot down" the shopping
list?


No. I make shopping lists with a pencil and paper, and that's fine for
me. But the subthread you started is about writing a letter. My reply
was meant to point out some of the giant advantages of a word processor
over a typewriter in writing a letter.

And as I said, I think you missed the analogy.
Typewriter is to text editor
as
Printing Press is to Wordprocessor.

It is all about using the appropriate technique. For example, most
of us know what an Illuminated Manuscript is (Book of Kells.) Very
elaborate and stylized. But that was not used for contracts,
commentary, treaties, charters, and other documents. And then there
is/was the "hand" used for daily use: letters, memorandum, inventory
control, and other "data entry and record keeping". They don't call
it "******* secretary" for no reason.

Thinking about this some more, I remembered that back in the days before
word processors, when I used to occasionally write a letter, it was
almost always hand-written. The only time I ever typed anything was if I
was writing a business letter; even then I would usually hand-write it
and have it typed by a secretary.

I was, and still am, a terrible typist, and I make many typos.

In the words of my uncle, "I am a good speller, just a bad
typist."

So my first point above ("a word processor makes it much easier to correct
errors") is very significant to me.

And me too. OTOH, I find I don't make the spelling errors when
writing (and even fewer when I used the dip pen).
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pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?



Well... like I said, Jeff Relf would never deny the flooder is Shadow, who is a self professed AppleScripter but I don't know if it could be used to spam like this. How long has this debate been going on? What were you expecting? No-one gets it, I don't get it.

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In message , pyotr
filipivich writes:
Ken Blake on Mon, 24 Feb 2020 08:33:56 -0700
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
[]
Yes, Microsoft and most car manufacturers are guilty of that. Something
should be changed only when the new way is clearly better than the old way.

And sometimes it is, but I'm _used_ to having the high beam
selector on the floor.

Yes; the difficulty is who decides whether it's "clearly" better.
Especially if the new way is very _different_ to* the old way.

Then there's the question of whether you still allow the old way to
work. Microsoft sometimes do that for one version in Word (I've seen a
popup "legacy** key sequence recognised" or something like that), less
so in Windows itself.

* substitute "from" or "than" as you wish.

** I detest the term "legacy"; it's shorthand for "you are a dinosaur".
(Similarly, "deprecated". [Which has the added taint of third-party
buck-dodging.])
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If vegetarians eat vegetables,..beware of humanitarians!

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" on Tue, 25 Feb 2020
03:08:59 +0000 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
In message , pyotr
filipivich writes:
Ken Blake on Mon, 24 Feb 2020 08:33:56 -0700
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
[]
Yes, Microsoft and most car manufacturers are guilty of that. Something
should be changed only when the new way is clearly better than the old way.

And sometimes it is, but I'm _used_ to having the high beam
selector on the floor.

Yes; the difficulty is who decides whether it's "clearly" better.
Especially if the new way is very _different_ to* the old way.

One advantage to a major change - you're less likely to do the new
thing by mistake. Downside, you're less likely to remember the new
way when reacting by "habit." (E.G., driving in England. Your
reflexes are to turn in the "wrong" direction.)

Then there's the question of whether you still allow the old way to
work. Microsoft sometimes do that for one version in Word (I've seen a
popup "legacy** key sequence recognised" or something like that), less
so in Windows itself.

* substitute "from" or "than" as you wish.

** I detest the term "legacy"; it's shorthand for "you are a dinosaur".
(Similarly, "deprecated". [Which has the added taint of third-party
buck-dodging.])

yeah. Too often, words are used to obscure, rather than clarify.
(On another tangent, friend was a Boeing Engineer. Boeing manuals do
not have you "paint" the aircraft, they have you "apply paint". It
sounds awkward, but the distinction make machine translation of the
manuals "simpler.")

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pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| ** I detest the term "legacy"; it's shorthand for "you are a dinosaur".
| (Similarly, "deprecated". [Which has the added taint of third-party
| buck-dodging.])

Then there's "bespoke", to describe custom software.
Lots of words I never heard before computers. Raymond
Chen, a Microsoft old-timer, used to have a blog called
TheOldNewThing where one of his regular topics was
Microsoft Speak. It's a curious mixture of technical mindset,
marketing jargon, and the generally shocking illiteracy
of geeks. As in, "leverage cutting edge solutions across
the enterprise". It sounds very mechanical. I never heard
leverage or solution used that way before computers.
(Most people define a solution as something that solves a
problem. Microsoft uses it as a synonym for "product" or
"thing related to us".)

Similarly with "enterpise". It just means "company".
So leveraging a solution across the enterprise means
buying some software for the company. But it sounds as
grand as the exploits of Alexander the Great.

Which brings up another unique incompetency at
Microsoft: I went to look for Raymond Chen's blog and
it's gone. He couldn't be bothered to set up his own site,
so his blog was at the mercy of Microsoft management.
The standard method when a website is re-organized is
for a server to send a 301 error code when a page is
permanently moved. So a browser will transparently find
the new page location. Microsoft? No. They break page
links constantly and then send you to a useless page
that says something like, "What are you looking for?
Wanna buy a tablet?"

Apparently all of their blogs have suffered that fate.
I ended up at a pointless page that tells me nothing but
provides a link to a new index of blogs.
And of course I can't just look at a list. They spread the
items across a vast number of pages. I looked under C
for Chen, R for Raymond, up to page 5 of "T" for The,
and under O for Old. No luck.

On 2/25/2020 6:10 AM, Mayayana wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| ** I detest the term "legacy"; it's shorthand for "you are a dinosaur".
| (Similarly, "deprecated". [Which has the added taint of third-party
| buck-dodging.])

Then there's "bespoke", to describe custom software.
Lots of words I never heard before computers.



I've never seen or heard "bespoke" used for anything but custom-made
clothing.


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Ken

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 08:10:05 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

Lots of words I never heard before computers. Raymond
Chen, a Microsoft old-timer, used to have a blog called
TheOldNewThing where one of his regular topics was
Microsoft Speak. It's a curious mixture of technical mindset,
marketing jargon, and the generally shocking illiteracy
of geeks. As in, "leverage cutting edge solutions across
the enterprise". It sounds very mechanical. I never heard
leverage or solution used that way before computers.
(Most people define a solution as something that solves a
problem. Microsoft uses it as a synonym for "product" or
"thing related to us".)

This guy?

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/


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