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  #31  
Old December 3rd 14, 03:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV

On 02/12/2014 7:03 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 00:00:58 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 02/12/2014 23:54, flatfish+++ wrote:
Might be a bad use of terminology on my part but basically what I am
saying is CD in apparently good, non scratched condition, fails to
play.
You are DOA.
Nothing you can do.

At least with vinyl or tape you can recover.


In practice trying another player/reader often works but yes that's
right, and not only that but the drives don't seem to be designed to
allow scanning to recover parts that are readable except in cases of
relatively minor problems.


Yep.
Using another player is my first line of attack.
I'm finding a decent number of my commercial CD's from the 90's are
having problems. I'm finding a LOT of my home burned data CD and DVD
are having even more problems despite using top quality media and
always good quality burners like Plextor, Sony etc.


So what I'm understanding is that it might be a good idea to rip all of
those CDs to FLAC and keep those albums on an external HD of some kind
forever. Considering the CDs won't last forever anyway.

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  #32  
Old December 3rd 14, 04:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 18:54:41 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 17:38:54 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:19:56 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD
they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore.
Even worse for DVD.


If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of
other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't
observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of
optical discs.

At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it.
With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead.


Don't let the kids handle it and don't store it in direct sunlight or in the
car where temps hit 140+ and you should be fine. In the life of a pressed CD
or DVD, the 1980's weren't that long ago.


Might be a bad use of terminology on my part but basically what I am
saying is CD in apparently good, non scratched condition, fails to
play.
You are DOA.
Nothing you can do.


Has that actually ever happened, or is it something you read about? I'd be
surprised to learn that it's a real concern. Again, I think we're talking
about pressed CDs and DVDs, not the stuff that someone recorded at home.

At least with vinyl or tape you can recover.


Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Both of those media types have their own
issues.

  #33  
Old December 3rd 14, 11:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV

Char Jackson wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 18:54:41 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 17:38:54 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:19:56 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD
they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore.
Even worse for DVD.

If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of
other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't
observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of
optical discs.

At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it.
With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead.

Don't let the kids handle it and don't store it in direct sunlight or in the
car where temps hit 140+ and you should be fine. In the life of a pressed CD
or DVD, the 1980's weren't that long ago.


Might be a bad use of terminology on my part but basically what I am
saying is CD in apparently good, non scratched condition, fails to
play.
You are DOA.
Nothing you can do.


Has that actually ever happened, or is it something you read about? I'd be
surprised to learn that it's a real concern. Again, I think we're talking
about pressed CDs and DVDs, not the stuff that someone recorded at home.

At least with vinyl or tape you can recover.


Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Both of those media types have their own
issues.


http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/

GNU ddrescue is a data recovery tool. It copies data from one file or
block device (hard disc, cdrom, etc) to another, trying to rescue the
good parts first in case of read errors.

Ddrescuelog is a tool that manipulates ddrescue logfiles, shows logfile
contents, converts logfiles to/from other formats, compares logfiles,
tests rescue status, and can delete a logfile if the rescue is done.
Ddrescuelog operations can be restricted to one or several parts of the
logfile if the domain setting options are used.

The basic operation of ddrescue is fully automatic. That is, you don't
have to wait for an error, stop the program, read the log, restart it
from a new position, etc.

No guarantees, of course.

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  #34  
Old December 3rd 14, 01:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV

Char Jackson wrote:

If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of
other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't
observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of
optical discs.


I've never had a normal audio CD go bad, even from the early days of
the technology.

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  #35  
Old December 3rd 14, 02:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 21:30:54 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 18:54:41 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 17:38:54 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:19:56 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD
they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore.
Even worse for DVD.

If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of
other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't
observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of
optical discs.

At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it.
With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead.

Don't let the kids handle it and don't store it in direct sunlight or in the
car where temps hit 140+ and you should be fine. In the life of a pressed CD
or DVD, the 1980's weren't that long ago.


Might be a bad use of terminology on my part but basically what I am
saying is CD in apparently good, non scratched condition, fails to
play.
You are DOA.
Nothing you can do.


Has that actually ever happened, or is it something you read about? I'd be
surprised to learn that it's a real concern. Again, I think we're talking
about pressed CDs and DVDs, not the stuff that someone recorded at home.


Happened several times with commercial recordings.


At least with vinyl or tape you can recover.


Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Both of those media types have their own
issues.


Even if it's gluing a record together or splicing back a tape you can
at least get "something" out of it.

With a CD, chances are slim to none.

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  #36  
Old December 3rd 14, 04:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV

On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:23:01 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 21:30:54 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 18:54:41 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 17:38:54 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:19:56 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD
they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore.
Even worse for DVD.

If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of
other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't
observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of
optical discs.

At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it.
With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead.

Don't let the kids handle it and don't store it in direct sunlight or in the
car where temps hit 140+ and you should be fine. In the life of a pressed CD
or DVD, the 1980's weren't that long ago.

Might be a bad use of terminology on my part but basically what I am
saying is CD in apparently good, non scratched condition, fails to
play.
You are DOA.
Nothing you can do.


Has that actually ever happened, or is it something you read about? I'd be
surprised to learn that it's a real concern. Again, I think we're talking
about pressed CDs and DVDs, not the stuff that someone recorded at home.


Happened several times with commercial recordings.


I still think you mean pressed CDs, which aren't recordings at all. They're
made by stamping a blank with a glass master.


At least with vinyl or tape you can recover.


Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Both of those media types have their own
issues.


Even if it's gluing a record together or splicing back a tape you can
at least get "something" out of it.


If you can glue a broken record album together and get listenable music from
it afterward, then your gluing skills are far better than mine. The other
common forms of damage, groove damage and warping, are also not likely to
yield enjoyable music after the fact. With tape, if it broke cleanly you can
splice it, but if it stretched or became degaussed or otherwise physically
damaged, you're not likely to get much from it.

With a CD, chances are slim to none.


I'll cross that bridge if I come to it. The vast majority of my CDs were
purchased between 1981-1992 and none have shown any issues yet. Thanks for
the heads up, though.

  #37  
Old December 3rd 14, 04:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV

On 03/12/2014 10:31 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:23:01 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 21:30:54 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 18:54:41 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 17:38:54 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:19:56 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD
they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore.
Even worse for DVD.

If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of
other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't
observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of
optical discs.

At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it.
With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead.

Don't let the kids handle it and don't store it in direct sunlight or in the
car where temps hit 140+ and you should be fine. In the life of a pressed CD
or DVD, the 1980's weren't that long ago.

Might be a bad use of terminology on my part but basically what I am
saying is CD in apparently good, non scratched condition, fails to
play.
You are DOA.
Nothing you can do.

Has that actually ever happened, or is it something you read about? I'd be
surprised to learn that it's a real concern. Again, I think we're talking
about pressed CDs and DVDs, not the stuff that someone recorded at home.


Happened several times with commercial recordings.


I still think you mean pressed CDs, which aren't recordings at all. They're
made by stamping a blank with a glass master.


At least with vinyl or tape you can recover.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Both of those media types have their own
issues.


Even if it's gluing a record together or splicing back a tape you can
at least get "something" out of it.


If you can glue a broken record album together and get listenable music from
it afterward, then your gluing skills are far better than mine. The other
common forms of damage, groove damage and warping, are also not likely to
yield enjoyable music after the fact. With tape, if it broke cleanly you can
splice it, but if it stretched or became degaussed or otherwise physically
damaged, you're not likely to get much from it.

With a CD, chances are slim to none.


I'll cross that bridge if I come to it. The vast majority of my CDs were
purchased between 1981-1992 and none have shown any issues yet. Thanks for
the heads up, though.


Is it even worth restoring a broken tape to working order? I can't
imagine the sound quality on that medium to be worth the effort.

In fact, according to a link I just read, it clearly states that
cassettes sound not only worse than vinyl but 8-tracks as well. To me,
that's absolute garbage

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  #38  
Old December 3rd 14, 04:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2014-12-02, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Slimer wrote:

On 02/12/2014 3:19 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:30:03 -0500, Slimer wrote:

On 02/12/2014 11:08 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
On 2014-12-02, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 01/12/2014 23:49, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:47:16 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 01/12/2014 01:37, JEDIDIAH wrote:
On 2014-11-29, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 28/11/2014 16:17, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
And will likely do a better job of implementing both than
GNU/Linux.

http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/11/27/1347217/windows-10-to-feature-native-support-for-mkv-and-flac?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed




VLC will play both formats in Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8. So,
BFD.


More than that - install any one of several widely available free
codec packs and any player will play them.


...and those will likely just be the same collection of free
software that powers VLC.


Well maybe, but I find more bugs in VLC than I do if I just install
Combined Community Codec Pack and play in Media Player Classic Home
Cinema.

VLC tends to be buggy but mPlayer is even worse.
The latest version of VLC has been working fine for me though.
Under Windows 8.1 of course.


The only problem I can remember with the current VLC 2.1.5 was that I
found a video file where seeking back and forth in it totally failed
taking me to somewhere totally different from where I wanted. Media
Player Classic Home Cinema played it perfectly.




Not so long ago I remember many versions of VLC on Windows couldn't
even play an audio CD without crashing. It was like the developers
weren't

Sounds like a reversion driven by the fact that it's not 1998
anymore.

1998 is about the last time I directly played a CD.

CDs are still the least expensive way to get high quality sound. M4A
from iTunes and MP3 from 7digital don't cut it for everyone.


That's disputable. Thumbdrives are cheap and plentiful. Meanwhile, CDs
are a single use medium. The smallest available thumb drives are cheap enough
to treat as disposable and can be used over and over again.

If you've got a fetish for optical media, even DVD makes more sense as it
has more capacity. That's the last optical media I bothered with (about 10 years
ago) before I switched completely to thumbdrives and the like.

Although anyone snooty enough to turn his nose up at any of the CD alternatives
that have arisen in the last 20 years isn't going to be dickering around with a PC.

[deletia]

Vinyl will not corrupt if stored correctly


That's a very big if. Vinyl requires more care and effort than most consumers
are willing to expend. H*LL. This is why I liked them so much back when this
would have been an argument between LP and cassette.

[deletia]

I have *lots* of vinyl disks, and they still sound nearly as new, even after
40 years and having often been played in some cases. But then, my record
player costs more than a high end apple toy.



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  #39  
Old December 3rd 14, 04:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2014-12-02, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:19:56 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD
they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore.
Even worse for DVD.


If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of
other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't
observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of
optical discs.


Apparently the Library of Congress has a lot of problems with this. Although
I don't think I have seen any of it myself.


At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it.
With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead.


Don't let the kids handle it and don't store it in direct sunlight or in the
car where temps hit 140+ and you should be fine. In the life of a pressed CD
or DVD, the 1980's weren't that long ago.


Back in the day, people thought that CDs were indestructible and treated
them accordingly. They bragged about doing things to their CDs that would now
make us all shudder. On the other hand, if you are only "using" a bit of media
once (to rip it) then you can treat it very gently and easily keep it out of the
sunlight.


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  #40  
Old December 3rd 14, 04:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2014-12-03, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Char Jackson wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:19:56 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD
they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore.
Even worse for DVD.


If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of
other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't
observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of
optical discs.

At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it.
With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead.


Don't let the kids handle it and don't store it in direct sunlight or in the
car where temps hit 140+ and you should be fine. In the life of a pressed CD
or DVD, the 1980's weren't that long ago.


http://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub121/sec4.html

Among the manufacturers that have done testing, there is consensus that,
under recommended storage conditions, CD-R, DVD-R, and DVD+R discs
should have a life expectancy of 100 to 200 years or more; CD-RW,
DVD-RW, DVD+RW, and DVD-RAM discs should have a life expectancy of 25
years or more. Little information is available for CD-ROM and DVD-ROM
discs (including audio and video), resulting in an increased level of
uncertainty for their life expectancy. Expectations vary from 20 to 100
years for these discs.



Apparently it varies by manufacturer and apparently some were very bad.

Yet another reason to rip everything and back up stuff as much as you can
and do as much as you can to avoid bit rot on your ripped copies.


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  #41  
Old December 3rd 14, 05:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:47:54 -0500, Slimer wrote:

On 03/12/2014 10:31 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:23:01 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 21:30:54 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 18:54:41 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 17:38:54 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:19:56 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD
they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore.
Even worse for DVD.

If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of
other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't
observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of
optical discs.

At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it.
With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead.

Don't let the kids handle it and don't store it in direct sunlight or in the
car where temps hit 140+ and you should be fine. In the life of a pressed CD
or DVD, the 1980's weren't that long ago.

Might be a bad use of terminology on my part but basically what I am
saying is CD in apparently good, non scratched condition, fails to
play.
You are DOA.
Nothing you can do.

Has that actually ever happened, or is it something you read about? I'd be
surprised to learn that it's a real concern. Again, I think we're talking
about pressed CDs and DVDs, not the stuff that someone recorded at home.

Happened several times with commercial recordings.


I still think you mean pressed CDs, which aren't recordings at all. They're
made by stamping a blank with a glass master.


At least with vinyl or tape you can recover.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Both of those media types have their own
issues.

Even if it's gluing a record together or splicing back a tape you can
at least get "something" out of it.


If you can glue a broken record album together and get listenable music from
it afterward, then your gluing skills are far better than mine. The other
common forms of damage, groove damage and warping, are also not likely to
yield enjoyable music after the fact. With tape, if it broke cleanly you can
splice it, but if it stretched or became degaussed or otherwise physically
damaged, you're not likely to get much from it.

With a CD, chances are slim to none.


I'll cross that bridge if I come to it. The vast majority of my CDs were
purchased between 1981-1992 and none have shown any issues yet. Thanks for
the heads up, though.


Is it even worth restoring a broken tape to working order? I can't
imagine the sound quality on that medium to be worth the effort.


It depends upon what's on it.
If it's junior's 5th grade recital, it will probably be worth saving.

In fact, according to a link I just read, it clearly states that
cassettes sound not only worse than vinyl but 8-tracks as well. To me,
that's absolute garbage


8 tracks are clearly the worst. They are also ticking time bombs
because as the lubricant in the tape dries out, they implode.




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  #42  
Old December 3rd 14, 05:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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JEDIDIAH wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

On 2014-12-02, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:19:56 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD
they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore.
Even worse for DVD.


If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of
other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't
observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of
optical discs.


Apparently the Library of Congress has a lot of problems with this.
Although I don't think I have seen any of it myself.


What!?? Don't they dump it all to paper tape? :-D

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or a bad reason. In this case it's a good reason. :-)
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  #43  
Old December 3rd 14, 05:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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JEDIDIAH wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

On 2014-12-03, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Char Jackson wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:19:56 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD
they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore.
Even worse for DVD.

If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of
other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't
observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of
optical discs.

At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it.
With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead.

Don't let the kids handle it and don't store it in direct sunlight or in the
car where temps hit 140+ and you should be fine. In the life of a pressed CD
or DVD, the 1980's weren't that long ago.


http://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub121/sec4.html

Among the manufacturers that have done testing, there is consensus that,
under recommended storage conditions, CD-R, DVD-R, and DVD+R discs
should have a life expectancy of 100 to 200 years or more; CD-RW,
DVD-RW, DVD+RW, and DVD-RAM discs should have a life expectancy of 25
years or more. Little information is available for CD-ROM and DVD-ROM
discs (including audio and video), resulting in an increased level of
uncertainty for their life expectancy. Expectations vary from 20 to 100
years for these discs.


Apparently it varies by manufacturer and apparently some were very bad.

Yet another reason to rip everything and back up stuff as much as you can
and do as much as you can to avoid bit rot on your ripped copies.


I have this USB stick I use in my car; it often sits for hours in the hot
sun. So now I sometimes get "Bad Media" or sound glitches, when I know the
file was initially good.

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Old December 3rd 14, 06:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2014-12-03, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
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On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:19:56 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD
they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore.
Even worse for DVD.

If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of
other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't
observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of
optical discs.

At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it.
With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead.

Don't let the kids handle it and don't store it in direct sunlight or in the
car where temps hit 140+ and you should be fine. In the life of a pressed CD
or DVD, the 1980's weren't that long ago.

http://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub121/sec4.html

Among the manufacturers that have done testing, there is consensus that,
under recommended storage conditions, CD-R, DVD-R, and DVD+R discs
should have a life expectancy of 100 to 200 years or more; CD-RW,
DVD-RW, DVD+RW, and DVD-RAM discs should have a life expectancy of 25
years or more. Little information is available for CD-ROM and DVD-ROM
discs (including audio and video), resulting in an increased level of
uncertainty for their life expectancy. Expectations vary from 20 to 100
years for these discs.


Apparently it varies by manufacturer and apparently some were very bad.

Yet another reason to rip everything and back up stuff as much as you can
and do as much as you can to avoid bit rot on your ripped copies.


I have this USB stick I use in my car; it often sits for hours in the hot
sun. So now I sometimes get "Bad Media" or sound glitches, when I know the
file was initially good.


I dunno. I am more inclined to blame the head unit for glitches than the media.

For every technology you can name, there are people that have their own horror stories.

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Old December 3rd 14, 06:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:47:54 -0500, Slimer wrote:

Is it even worth restoring a broken tape to working order? I can't
imagine the sound quality on that medium to be worth the effort.


Silly me, within the context of tape I was thinking of high end reel to
reel, since that was my last exposure to audio tape. Way back in the day, I
have experience with splicing 8-track tapes and the small 3"-3.5" reel
tapes, and I spliced a VHS tape a time or two.

In general, you're right. Sound quality usually leaves much to be desired
when it comes to tape, and cassette is arguably the worst of it. The tracks
are too narrow and the speed is too slow.

In fact, according to a link I just read, it clearly states that
cassettes sound not only worse than vinyl but 8-tracks as well. To me,
that's absolute garbage


Within the cassette world, commercially recorded tapes were usually the
absolute worst with regards to sound quality, so I used to buy record albums
and record them onto higher grade cassette tapes. For a dozen years or so, I
used dbx noise reduction which virtually eliminated tape hiss and other
system noise, but of course it's still cassette tape, so you're still
dealing with the rest of that format's limitations. Plus, there were no
automotive cassette decks that could decode dbx, so those tapes had to stay
in the house.

 




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