IRQ Sharing Argh

Sigh'... I Don't Want To Change Sound Cards. I=20
Like My Sound Card. Im Not Going To Go Out And Waste=20
Money On Anouther, When What I Have Is Just Fine. All I=20
Want To Do Is Have The Power To Change IRQ's To Get Rid=20
Of The Nice Crackle I Do Love So Much. Its Not Hard For=20
You Microsoft People To Make A Simple Tweak That Will=20
Take You About 1 Minute To Make Since You Know Your=20
Products Oh So Well. Why Argue When You Can Simply Do?=20
You Come Out With Your All Big 2003 Servers And=20
Tablits...But No Simple Tweaky For IRQ User Power? Have=20
You No Heart?! If This IRQ Sharing Is As You Say So Good.=20
THen What Is The Point Of Having All THose IRQs To Choose=20
From? Why Not Just Eliminate Them?
-Chris






-----Original Message-----
Ah. Creative at it again. They do have a history with=20
drivers and standards.
;-)

Make sure you're running the latest driver. If you are=20
then best
recommendation is to switch to a different sound card. I=20
have a Santa Cruz
in my main machine and it happily shares IRQs with my=20
NIC, both video cards
(multi-mon), all my USB stuff and onboard Promise driver=20
running 4 HDs.

--=20
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is=20
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...ileversion/def
ault.asp


"Chris" wrote in message
...

Jerky Boy Skally. My Sound Blaster Drivers Don't Do Crap
For The Problem. The Only Advise They Give About IRQ's Is
To Change To Starndard PC and You Will Be Able To Change
IRQ's. But I Have Tried All That. It Does Not Good. You
Are Still Locked Out Of Changing IRQ's. I Don't Care If
It May Not Like Being Shared. But It Was Still ignoramus
Of Microsoft To Remove User Powers. Screw If There Are
People Wo Need Their User Friendly Systems And Don't
Know Diddly What To Do. It Only Limits Those Who DO Know
What They Are Doing And The Ways Of Dealing With It.
You All Anger Me.




-----Original Message-----
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:46:20 -0700, "Chris"

wrote:

Its Dumb Though, Why Do We Have TO Be THe Ones To Adapt
To Microsoft's Ideas On How Things Should Run. Im Cool
With It Being Plug And Play But You Should Still Give
Us
The Power To Change What We Want TO Change For Our Own
Unique Specs...This Angers Me!
-Chris


Why do you bitch about Microsoft? How about bitchin at
the vendor of
your card to come up with a good driver for XP?
Think about it.......If Microsoft included every driver
for every
version or every peripheral made, how big would your OS
be?
And why is it up to them to do work for companies not
associated with
them?

Your sound card manufacturer makes a statement on the
side of the box:
"Compatible with........" if the card does not state it
is compatible
with XP, that is YOUR problem. GOOD, reputable vendors
TRY to make
updates for future OS's........ but that's not their job
either.......it is an added service which keep customers
loyal to
them.
As far a being able to switch IRQ's........that was a
nice (and
needed) feature in earlier versions of Windows. I
personally have
never had a problem with IRQ's ever being shared except
with a few old
95/DOS games that have long since been laid to rest.
With supported hardware, and drivers, XP has no problems
with sharing.


=A7kullywag=A9-
.



.

Try putting the card in another slot to force the IRQ change :-)

"Chris" wrote in message
...
Sigh'... I Don't Want To Change Sound Cards. I
Like My Sound Card. Im Not Going To Go Out And Waste
Money On Anouther, When What I Have Is Just Fine. All I
Want To Do Is Have The Power To Change IRQ's To Get Rid
Of The Nice Crackle I Do Love So Much. Its Not Hard For
You Microsoft People To Make A Simple Tweak That Will
Take You About 1 Minute To Make Since You Know Your
Products Oh So Well. Why Argue When You Can Simply Do?
You Come Out With Your All Big 2003 Servers And
Tablits...But No Simple Tweaky For IRQ User Power? Have
You No Heart?! If This IRQ Sharing Is As You Say So Good.
THen What Is The Point Of Having All THose IRQs To Choose
From? Why Not Just Eliminate Them?

That's exactly what's happening now, as new standards are being developed
that rid us of IRQ's and their limitations :-)

-Chris






-----Original Message-----
Ah. Creative at it again. They do have a history with
drivers and standards.
;-)

Make sure you're running the latest driver. If you are
then best
recommendation is to switch to a different sound card. I
have a Santa Cruz
in my main machine and it happily shares IRQs with my
NIC, both video cards
(multi-mon), all my USB stuff and onboard Promise driver
running 4 HDs.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...ileversion/def
ault.asp


"Chris" wrote in message
...

Jerky Boy Skally. My Sound Blaster Drivers Don't Do Crap
For The Problem. The Only Advise They Give About IRQ's Is
To Change To Starndard PC and You Will Be Able To Change
IRQ's. But I Have Tried All That. It Does Not Good. You
Are Still Locked Out Of Changing IRQ's. I Don't Care If
It May Not Like Being Shared. But It Was Still ignoramus
Of Microsoft To Remove User Powers. Screw If There Are
People Wo Need Their User Friendly Systems And Don't
Know Diddly What To Do. It Only Limits Those Who DO Know
What They Are Doing And The Ways Of Dealing With It.
You All Anger Me.




-----Original Message-----
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:46:20 -0700, "Chris"

wrote:

Its Dumb Though, Why Do We Have TO Be THe Ones To Adapt
To Microsoft's Ideas On How Things Should Run. Im Cool
With It Being Plug And Play But You Should Still Give
Us
The Power To Change What We Want TO Change For Our Own
Unique Specs...This Angers Me!
-Chris


Why do you bitch about Microsoft? How about bitchin at
the vendor of
your card to come up with a good driver for XP?
Think about it.......If Microsoft included every driver
for every
version or every peripheral made, how big would your OS
be?
And why is it up to them to do work for companies not
associated with
them?

Your sound card manufacturer makes a statement on the
side of the box:
"Compatible with........" if the card does not state it
is compatible
with XP, that is YOUR problem. GOOD, reputable vendors
TRY to make
updates for future OS's........ but that's not their job
either.......it is an added service which keep customers
loyal to
them.
As far a being able to switch IRQ's........that was a
nice (and
needed) feature in earlier versions of Windows. I
personally have
never had a problem with IRQ's ever being shared except
with a few old
95/DOS games that have long since been laid to rest.
With supported hardware, and drivers, XP has no problems
with sharing.


§kullywag©-
.



.

Follow the threads.

Creative has a reputation for not following standards. I have three
different video cards sharing IRQs without any issues and none of those are
Creative cards.

Let me put it another way. Do a net search for issues with Creative. True in
some instances Creative has addressed the issue and corrected the problems
in some instances. I'll leave it up to you to determine if that's the
exception or the norm. Regardless, giving the end user the ability to
specify IRQs is a pure cop out. It's irrelevant. For a vendor to state that
they must own an IRQ is the ultimate in hubris. It's literally the last
ditch effort of a vendor that chooses not to follow standards. All the PCI
IRQs are daisy chained anyway, so their demand is impossible to meet.

You have three options. You can live with things as they are. You can beat
on Creative for a set of drivers that follow spec. You can go with a
different sound card. There is nothing that MS nor you can do about drivers
that fail to follow standards.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"Chris" wrote in message
...
Sigh'... I Don't Want To Change Sound Cards. I
Like My Sound Card. Im Not Going To Go Out And Waste
Money On Anouther, When What I Have Is Just Fine. All I
Want To Do Is Have The Power To Change IRQ's To Get Rid
Of The Nice Crackle I Do Love So Much. Its Not Hard For
You Microsoft People To Make A Simple Tweak That Will
Take You About 1 Minute To Make Since You Know Your
Products Oh So Well. Why Argue When You Can Simply Do?
You Come Out With Your All Big 2003 Servers And
Tablits...But No Simple Tweaky For IRQ User Power? Have
You No Heart?! If This IRQ Sharing Is As You Say So Good.
THen What Is The Point Of Having All THose IRQs To Choose
From? Why Not Just Eliminate Them?
-Chris






-----Original Message-----
Ah. Creative at it again. They do have a history with
drivers and standards.
;-)

Make sure you're running the latest driver. If you are
then best
recommendation is to switch to a different sound card. I
have a Santa Cruz
in my main machine and it happily shares IRQs with my
NIC, both video cards
(multi-mon), all my USB stuff and onboard Promise driver
running 4 HDs.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...ileversion/def
ault.asp


"Chris" wrote in message
...

Jerky Boy Skally. My Sound Blaster Drivers Don't Do Crap
For The Problem. The Only Advise They Give About IRQ's Is
To Change To Starndard PC and You Will Be Able To Change
IRQ's. But I Have Tried All That. It Does Not Good. You
Are Still Locked Out Of Changing IRQ's. I Don't Care If
It May Not Like Being Shared. But It Was Still ignoramus
Of Microsoft To Remove User Powers. Screw If There Are
People Wo Need Their User Friendly Systems And Don't
Know Diddly What To Do. It Only Limits Those Who DO Know
What They Are Doing And The Ways Of Dealing With It.
You All Anger Me.




-----Original Message-----
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:46:20 -0700, "Chris"

wrote:

Its Dumb Though, Why Do We Have TO Be THe Ones To Adapt
To Microsoft's Ideas On How Things Should Run. Im Cool
With It Being Plug And Play But You Should Still Give
Us
The Power To Change What We Want TO Change For Our Own
Unique Specs...This Angers Me!
-Chris


Why do you bitch about Microsoft? How about bitchin at
the vendor of
your card to come up with a good driver for XP?
Think about it.......If Microsoft included every driver
for every
version or every peripheral made, how big would your OS
be?
And why is it up to them to do work for companies not
associated with
them?

Your sound card manufacturer makes a statement on the
side of the box:
"Compatible with........" if the card does not state it
is compatible
with XP, that is YOUR problem. GOOD, reputable vendors
TRY to make
updates for future OS's........ but that's not their job
either.......it is an added service which keep customers
loyal to
them.
As far a being able to switch IRQ's........that was a
nice (and
needed) feature in earlier versions of Windows. I
personally have
never had a problem with IRQ's ever being shared except
with a few old
95/DOS games that have long since been laid to rest.
With supported hardware, and drivers, XP has no problems
with sharing.


§kullywag©-
.



.

I tried changing slots..everyone of them ..windows always=20
gives it the same IRQ..like as if it needs to be=20
there..but shared with the promise board and USB.=20
-Chris






-----Original Message-----
Try putting the card in another slot to force the IRQ=20
change :-)

"Chris" wrote in message
...
Sigh'... I Don't Want To Change Sound Cards. I
Like My Sound Card. Im Not Going To Go Out And Waste
Money On Anouther, When What I Have Is Just Fine. All I
Want To Do Is Have The Power To Change IRQ's To Get Rid
Of The Nice Crackle I Do Love So Much. Its Not Hard For
You Microsoft People To Make A Simple Tweak That Will
Take You About 1 Minute To Make Since You Know Your
Products Oh So Well. Why Argue When You Can Simply Do?
You Come Out With Your All Big 2003 Servers And
Tablits...But No Simple Tweaky For IRQ User Power? Have
You No Heart?! If This IRQ Sharing Is As You Say So Good.
THen What Is The Point Of Having All THose IRQs To Choose
From? Why Not Just Eliminate Them?

That's exactly what's happening now, as new standards=20
are being developed
that rid us of IRQ's and their limitations :-)

-Chris






-----Original Message-----
Ah. Creative at it again. They do have a history with
drivers and standards.
;-)

Make sure you're running the latest driver. If you are
then best
recommendation is to switch to a different sound card. I
have a Santa Cruz
in my main machine and it happily shares IRQs with my
NIC, both video cards
(multi-mon), all my USB stuff and onboard Promise driver
running 4 HDs.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...fileversion/de
f
ault.asp


"Chris" wrote in message
...

Jerky Boy Skally. My Sound Blaster Drivers Don't Do Crap
For The Problem. The Only Advise They Give About IRQ's=20
Is
To Change To Starndard PC and You Will Be Able To Change
IRQ's. But I Have Tried All That. It Does Not Good. You
Are Still Locked Out Of Changing IRQ's. I Don't Care If
It May Not Like Being Shared. But It Was Still ignoramus
Of Microsoft To Remove User Powers. Screw If There Are
People Wo Need Their User Friendly Systems And Don't
Know Diddly What To Do. It Only Limits Those Who DO Know
What They Are Doing And The Ways Of Dealing With It.
You All Anger Me.




-----Original Message-----
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:46:20 -0700, "Chris"

wrote:

Its Dumb Though, Why Do We Have TO Be THe Ones To=20
Adapt
To Microsoft's Ideas On How Things Should Run. Im Cool
With It Being Plug And Play But You Should Still Give
Us
The Power To Change What We Want TO Change For Our Own
Unique Specs...This Angers Me!
-Chris


Why do you bitch about Microsoft? How about bitchin at
the vendor of
your card to come up with a good driver for XP?
Think about it.......If Microsoft included every driver
for every
version or every peripheral made, how big would your OS
be?
And why is it up to them to do work for companies not
associated with
them?

Your sound card manufacturer makes a statement on the
side of the box:
"Compatible with........" if the card does not state=20
it
is compatible
with XP, that is YOUR problem. GOOD, reputable vendors
TRY to make
updates for future OS's........ but that's not their=20
job
either.......it is an added service which keep=20
customers
loyal to
them.
As far a being able to switch IRQ's........that was a
nice (and
needed) feature in earlier versions of Windows. I
personally have
never had a problem with IRQ's ever being shared except
with a few old
95/DOS games that have long since been laid to rest.
With supported hardware, and drivers, XP has no=20
problems
with sharing.


=A7kullywag=A9-
.



.



.

Ok Set The Sound Issue In THe Corner For Right Now..Why=20
Can't You Just Let Use Manually Select IRQs such in 98. I=20
know that XP is rich with hybridness but even so, why=20
eliminate to choice to change IRQs manually? If there is=20
so many to choose from, whats the main purpose of sharing?




-----Original Message-----
Follow the threads.

Creative has a reputation for not following standards. I=20
have three
different video cards sharing IRQs without any issues=20
and none of those are
Creative cards.

Let me put it another way. Do a net search for issues=20
with Creative. True in
some instances Creative has addressed the issue and=20
corrected the problems
in some instances. I'll leave it up to you to determine=20
if that's the
exception or the norm. Regardless, giving the end user=20
the ability to
specify IRQs is a pure cop out. It's irrelevant. For a=20
vendor to state that
they must own an IRQ is the ultimate in hubris. It's=20
literally the last
ditch effort of a vendor that chooses not to follow=20
standards. All the PCI
IRQs are daisy chained anyway, so their demand is=20
impossible to meet.

You have three options. You can live with things as they=20
are. You can beat
on Creative for a set of drivers that follow spec. You=20
can go with a
different sound card. There is nothing that MS nor you=20
can do about drivers
that fail to follow standards.

--=20
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is=20
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...ileversion/def
ault.asp


"Chris" wrote in message
...
Sigh'... I Don't Want To Change Sound Cards. I
Like My Sound Card. Im Not Going To Go Out And Waste
Money On Anouther, When What I Have Is Just Fine. All I
Want To Do Is Have The Power To Change IRQ's To Get Rid
Of The Nice Crackle I Do Love So Much. Its Not Hard For
You Microsoft People To Make A Simple Tweak That Will
Take You About 1 Minute To Make Since You Know Your
Products Oh So Well. Why Argue When You Can Simply Do?
You Come Out With Your All Big 2003 Servers And
Tablits...But No Simple Tweaky For IRQ User Power? Have
You No Heart?! If This IRQ Sharing Is As You Say So Good.
THen What Is The Point Of Having All THose IRQs To Choose
From? Why Not Just Eliminate Them?
-Chris






-----Original Message-----
Ah. Creative at it again. They do have a history with
drivers and standards.
;-)

Make sure you're running the latest driver. If you are
then best
recommendation is to switch to a different sound card. I
have a Santa Cruz
in my main machine and it happily shares IRQs with my
NIC, both video cards
(multi-mon), all my USB stuff and onboard Promise driver
running 4 HDs.

--=20
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...fileversion/de
f
ault.asp


"Chris" wrote in message
...

Jerky Boy Skally. My Sound Blaster Drivers Don't Do Crap
For The Problem. The Only Advise They Give About IRQ's=20
Is
To Change To Starndard PC and You Will Be Able To Change
IRQ's. But I Have Tried All That. It Does Not Good. You
Are Still Locked Out Of Changing IRQ's. I Don't Care If
It May Not Like Being Shared. But It Was Still ignoramus
Of Microsoft To Remove User Powers. Screw If There Are
People Wo Need Their User Friendly Systems And Don't
Know Diddly What To Do. It Only Limits Those Who DO Know
What They Are Doing And The Ways Of Dealing With It.
You All Anger Me.




-----Original Message-----
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:46:20 -0700, "Chris"

wrote:

Its Dumb Though, Why Do We Have TO Be THe Ones To=20
Adapt
To Microsoft's Ideas On How Things Should Run. Im Cool
With It Being Plug And Play But You Should Still Give
Us
The Power To Change What We Want TO Change For Our Own
Unique Specs...This Angers Me!
-Chris


Why do you bitch about Microsoft? How about bitchin at
the vendor of
your card to come up with a good driver for XP?
Think about it.......If Microsoft included every driver
for every
version or every peripheral made, how big would your OS
be?
And why is it up to them to do work for companies not
associated with
them?

Your sound card manufacturer makes a statement on the
side of the box:
"Compatible with........" if the card does not state=20
it
is compatible
with XP, that is YOUR problem. GOOD, reputable vendors
TRY to make
updates for future OS's........ but that's not their=20
job
either.......it is an added service which keep=20
customers
loyal to
them.
As far a being able to switch IRQ's........that was a
nice (and
needed) feature in earlier versions of Windows. I
personally have
never had a problem with IRQ's ever being shared except
with a few old
95/DOS games that have long since been laid to rest.
With supported hardware, and drivers, XP has no=20
problems
with sharing.


=A7kullywag=A9-
.



.



.

Stumped Are We?...




-----Original Message-----
Ok Set The Sound Issue In THe Corner For Right Now..Why=20
Can't You Just Let Use Manually Select IRQs such in 98.=20
I=20
know that XP is rich with hybridness but even so, why=20
eliminate to choice to change IRQs manually? If there is=20
so many to choose from, whats the main purpose of=20
sharing?




-----Original Message-----
Follow the threads.

Creative has a reputation for not following standards.=20
I=20
have three
different video cards sharing IRQs without any issues=20
and none of those are
Creative cards.

Let me put it another way. Do a net search for issues=20
with Creative. True in
some instances Creative has addressed the issue and=20
corrected the problems
in some instances. I'll leave it up to you to determine=20
if that's the
exception or the norm. Regardless, giving the end user=20
the ability to
specify IRQs is a pure cop out. It's irrelevant. For a=20
vendor to state that
they must own an IRQ is the ultimate in hubris. It's=20
literally the last
ditch effort of a vendor that chooses not to follow=20
standards. All the PCI
IRQs are daisy chained anyway, so their demand is=20
impossible to meet.

You have three options. You can live with things as=20
they=20
are. You can beat
on Creative for a set of drivers that follow spec. You=20
can go with a
different sound card. There is nothing that MS nor you=20
can do about drivers
that fail to follow standards.

--=20
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is=20
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...fileversion/de
f
ault.asp


"Chris" wrote in message
...
Sigh'... I Don't Want To Change Sound Cards. I
Like My Sound Card. Im Not Going To Go Out And Waste
Money On Anouther, When What I Have Is Just Fine. All I
Want To Do Is Have The Power To Change IRQ's To Get Rid
Of The Nice Crackle I Do Love So Much. Its Not Hard For
You Microsoft People To Make A Simple Tweak That Will
Take You About 1 Minute To Make Since You Know Your
Products Oh So Well. Why Argue When You Can Simply Do?
You Come Out With Your All Big 2003 Servers And
Tablits...But No Simple Tweaky For IRQ User Power? Have
You No Heart?! If This IRQ Sharing Is As You Say So=20
Good.
THen What Is The Point Of Having All THose IRQs To=20
Choose
From? Why Not Just Eliminate Them?
-Chris






-----Original Message-----
Ah. Creative at it again. They do have a history with
drivers and standards.
;-)

Make sure you're running the latest driver. If you are
then best
recommendation is to switch to a different sound card.=20
I
have a Santa Cruz
in my main machine and it happily shares IRQs with my
NIC, both video cards
(multi-mon), all my USB stuff and onboard Promise=20
driver
running 4 HDs.

--=20
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/d
e
f
ault.asp


"Chris" wrote in message
.. .

Jerky Boy Skally. My Sound Blaster Drivers Don't Do=20
Crap
For The Problem. The Only Advise They Give About IRQ's=20
Is
To Change To Starndard PC and You Will Be Able To=20
Change
IRQ's. But I Have Tried All That. It Does Not Good. You
Are Still Locked Out Of Changing IRQ's. I Don't Care If
It May Not Like Being Shared. But It Was Still=20
ignoramus
Of Microsoft To Remove User Powers. Screw If There Are
People Wo Need Their User Friendly Systems And Don't
Know Diddly What To Do. It Only Limits Those Who DO=20
Know
What They Are Doing And The Ways Of Dealing With It.
You All Anger Me.




-----Original Message-----
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:46:20 -0700, "Chris"

wrote:

Its Dumb Though, Why Do We Have TO Be THe Ones To=20
Adapt
To Microsoft's Ideas On How Things Should Run. Im=20
Cool
With It Being Plug And Play But You Should Still Give
Us
The Power To Change What We Want TO Change For Our=20
Own
Unique Specs...This Angers Me!
-Chris


Why do you bitch about Microsoft? How about bitchin=20
at
the vendor of
your card to come up with a good driver for XP?
Think about it.......If Microsoft included every=20
driver
for every
version or every peripheral made, how big would your=20
OS
be?
And why is it up to them to do work for companies not
associated with
them?

Your sound card manufacturer makes a statement on the
side of the box:
"Compatible with........" if the card does not state=20
it
is compatible
with XP, that is YOUR problem. GOOD, reputable=20
vendors
TRY to make
updates for future OS's........ but that's not their=20
job
either.......it is an added service which keep=20
customers
loyal to
them.
As far a being able to switch IRQ's........that was a
nice (and
needed) feature in earlier versions of Windows. I
personally have
never had a problem with IRQ's ever being shared=20
except
with a few old
95/DOS games that have long since been laid to rest.
With supported hardware, and drivers, XP has no=20
problems
with sharing.


=A7kullywag=A9-
.



.



.

.

Im Not Saying Thats Its Your Products Fault But Why Did
You Get Rid Of Manual IRQ Changing In THe First Place,
When Clearly It was a life saver in 98 even though of
the..err..unstability and ME Edition. heh. But, Just Why
Get Rid Of IT?

On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:04:28 -0400, "Walter Clayton"
wrote:

Follow the threads.

Creative has a reputation for not following standards. I have three
different video cards sharing IRQs without any issues and none of those are
Creative cards.

Let me put it another way. Do a net search for issues with Creative. True in
some instances Creative has addressed the issue and corrected the problems
in some instances. I'll leave it up to you to determine if that's the
exception or the norm. Regardless, giving the end user the ability to
specify IRQs is a pure cop out. It's irrelevant. For a vendor to state that
they must own an IRQ is the ultimate in hubris. It's literally the last
ditch effort of a vendor that chooses not to follow standards. All the PCI
IRQs are daisy chained anyway, so their demand is impossible to meet.

You have three options. You can live with things as they are. You can beat
on Creative for a set of drivers that follow spec. You can go with a
different sound card. There is nothing that MS nor you can do about drivers
that fail to follow standards.

EXACTLY.
And I'll go one step further, and upset a few loyal Sound Blaster
users. Sound Blaster is not exactly "the best" sound card many people
think it is.....(and I have bought them too). Sound Blaster has had a
long history of buggy cards and drivers, with multiple patches, fixes,
and updates.
It took me 3 days to hash out conflicts with my Sound Blaster Maxi
Gamer card and Windows Me......after installing updated drivers, 2
patches, and applying a couple tweaks I found outside Creative's
support section, I simply found that Creative was no longer worth all
the effort I had to put in to get it to work each time I reloaded my
OS. I have never had a spot of trouble with any other sound card
since. They say they are compatible with 9x-XP.......and they are.
Why is Creative considered a "top card"? Because when you walk into
your local PC shop, it is usually the top priced among 3-4 entry level
brands carried, and they advertise massively in all magazines.

Did you know that many mother boards these days come with "on board"
sound that is comparable to Sound Blaster specs? That work flawlessly
without telling you that you need to change it's IRQ to function
properly?
Need better than on board for multimedia projects? The pro's consider
Sound Blaster "cheap" and "crap". A "pro" sound card can cost
$250-$400 and usually must be ordered, not found on the shelf. In the
"cheap" category (under $150), the pro's would recommend Turtle Beach,
or even Aureal over Creative.
Go to alt.binaries.sounds.utilities and see what the regulars there
have to say about Creative. These are people who hold pretty high
standards for their sound cards.

The need to change an IRQ for ANYTHING these days is unheard
of..............except for the folks at Creative, I guess.
Blame it on Microsoft. Blame them for getting rid of DOS too while
you're at it.


§kullywag©-

Not stumped. Just on the east coast and in bed when you asked the question
regarding manual IRQ assignments.

Basically it's an issue of complexity of modern hardware mixed with
maintaining backward compatibility as much as possible with older hardware.
In order for things to work the BIOS and the OS negotiate how they
communicate not only with each other, but the individual devices. And there
in lies another issue. If the BIOS has assigned an IRQ to a given device, it
may not be possible for the OS to change it. This is a highly formalized
process that is, unfortunately, implemented slightly differently by
different vendors. To add to the complexity, the devices and drivers must
adhere to a set of published standards. If any thing in that process
belches, burps or hiccups then things break.

I noticed up stream you implied that you attempted to use a standard HAL.
For that to work, you must reinstall and force the HAL selection. AFAIK, if
you reinstall and select a standard HAL you'll have *some* ability to
manually control resources. But it does require a full blown reinstall and
there's no guarantees that you'll like the results any better. Basically you
have a piece of hardware that is known to have issues with playing well with
other devices.

Personally in your shoes, I'd simply go pick up a sound card from a
different vendor. It'll save you a lot of grief.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"CHRIIS" wrote in message
...
Im Not Saying Thats Its Your Products Fault But Why Did
You Get Rid Of Manual IRQ Changing In THe First Place,
When Clearly It was a life saver in 98 even though of
the..err..unstability and ME Edition. heh. But, Just Why
Get Rid Of IT?

Well As You Mentioned Reinstalling Windows To use
Starndard, I Have Done That, But Nothing Changed, And As
You Mention, Poor Results... Can You Not Just Make A Tweak
For The People Who Want to change There settings? They
Shurly know the conciquences Of conflicting Everything.
But Still would alowed To Be Able To Change There
Settings, For Those Who Know How. Just Give Us A Little
credit, were not all computer Illiterate.
-Chris




-----Original Message-----
Not stumped. Just on the east coast and in bed when you
asked the question
regarding manual IRQ assignments.

Basically it's an issue of complexity of modern hardware
mixed with
maintaining backward compatibility as much as possible
with older hardware.
In order for things to work the BIOS and the OS negotiate
how they
communicate not only with each other, but the individual
devices. And there
in lies another issue. If the BIOS has assigned an IRQ to
a given device, it
may not be possible for the OS to change it. This is a
highly formalized
process that is, unfortunately, implemented slightly
differently by
different vendors. To add to the complexity, the devices
and drivers must
adhere to a set of published standards. If any thing in
that process
belches, burps or hiccups then things break.

I noticed up stream you implied that you attempted to use
a standard HAL.
For that to work, you must reinstall and force the HAL
selection. AFAIK, if
you reinstall and select a standard HAL you'll have
*some* ability to
manually control resources. But it does require a full
blown reinstall and
there's no guarantees that you'll like the results any
better. Basically you
have a piece of hardware that is known to have issues
with playing well with
other devices.

Personally in your shoes, I'd simply go pick up a sound
card from a
different vendor. It'll save you a lot of grief.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...leversion/defa
ult.asp


"CHRIIS" wrote in message
...
Im Not Saying Thats Its Your Products Fault But Why Did
You Get Rid Of Manual IRQ Changing In THe First Place,
When Clearly It was a life saver in 98 even though of
the..err..unstability and ME Edition. heh. But, Just Why
Get Rid Of IT?


.

You missed where I stated:

in lies another issue. If the BIOS has assigned an IRQ to
a given device, it
may not be possible for the OS to change it. This is a

as well as

better. Basically you
have a piece of hardware that is known to have issues
with playing well with
other devices.

Between the two, there's no choice. If a standard HAL did not allow you to
change the IRQ of the device, then your BIOS is at fault. See first
reminder.

Of course there is another option. You could drop back to 9x.

BTW: I don't work for MS. I just help people out as much as I can. However
MS internal folk do peruse the NGs and some post here from time to time.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"Chris" wrote in message
...
Well As You Mentioned Reinstalling Windows To use
Starndard, I Have Done That, But Nothing Changed, And As
You Mention, Poor Results... Can You Not Just Make A Tweak
For The People Who Want to change There settings? They
Shurly know the conciquences Of conflicting Everything.
But Still would alowed To Be Able To Change There
Settings, For Those Who Know How. Just Give Us A Little
credit, were not all computer Illiterate.
-Chris




-----Original Message-----
Not stumped. Just on the east coast and in bed when you
asked the question
regarding manual IRQ assignments.

Basically it's an issue of complexity of modern hardware
mixed with
maintaining backward compatibility as much as possible
with older hardware.
In order for things to work the BIOS and the OS negotiate
how they
communicate not only with each other, but the individual
devices. And there
in lies another issue. If the BIOS has assigned an IRQ to
a given device, it
may not be possible for the OS to change it. This is a
highly formalized
process that is, unfortunately, implemented slightly
differently by
different vendors. To add to the complexity, the devices
and drivers must
adhere to a set of published standards. If any thing in
that process
belches, burps or hiccups then things break.

I noticed up stream you implied that you attempted to use
a standard HAL.
For that to work, you must reinstall and force the HAL
selection. AFAIK, if
you reinstall and select a standard HAL you'll have
*some* ability to
manually control resources. But it does require a full
blown reinstall and
there's no guarantees that you'll like the results any
better. Basically you
have a piece of hardware that is known to have issues
with playing well with
other devices.

Personally in your shoes, I'd simply go pick up a sound
card from a
different vendor. It'll save you a lot of grief.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...leversion/defa
ult.asp


"CHRIIS" wrote in message
...
Im Not Saying Thats Its Your Products Fault But Why Did
You Get Rid Of Manual IRQ Changing In THe First Place,
When Clearly It was a life saver in 98 even though of
the..err..unstability and ME Edition. heh. But, Just Why
Get Rid Of IT?


.

This thread has run so long, and IMHO is so far off topic, that I am taking
the liberty to chime in.

Chris,

4 things to consider:

1. You might be able to force a IRQ change in your BIOS settings. I can on
my Shuttle AK32A AND on my Compaq (Talk about non-conformity!!!!!!)
motherboard. True, I only had a few choices, but I did have a few options.
It MIGHT work. Judging from your thread, I would think you had checked this
already. Of course, if your motherboard doesn't offer any options like this,
*!^%#*& Your Blanking Motherboard Manufacturer For Not Allowing You To Have
Those Options. Don't They Know That We Don't Need The Auto-Configuration
Specs They Have? We All Prefer To Enter The KB of Ram, And Every Cylinder
Head, And Pre-Comp Landing, And Cluster Size And IRQ By Ourselves. (Did I
make my point? Typing this way is hard! :-D)

2. Aren't you expecting a little much out of Microsoft? I mean, come on,
they are only releasing another "security patch" every five minutes. Look,
we all have to download so many of these "updates" that the engineers at MS
wrote a little utility that will do it for us automatically. Could it be
they made a mistake? And, in light of all the other messes they have to
clean up, this one just isn't very high on the priority list?

3. I am guessing that Microsoft DID NOT REMOVE this feature. All the Windows
versions you mention are DOS based. XP is based upon the NT framework. Don't
quote me on it, but I think if you went back to NT 3.51 or 4.0, or even 2000
(I used the later two for a while), you would find that they didn't offer
this feature. (Might I add that a WHOLE LOT of hardware wouldn't even run on
NT? Many printers, sound cards, video cards, etc. weren't made to be
operated under the NT code structure.) In which case, the thing to do is not
whine about the stuff XP doesn't have, but send an email to
and ask they add the feature to the next NT-based OS
release.

4. Have you tried to buy a new IDE controller? What business do little
pipsqueak companies have trying to manufacture devices for Windows? I mean,
Windows is supposed to be SO proprietary that only Microsoft software and
hardware will run, right? Seriously, if you don't want to have compatibility
problems, buy a Mac. You won't ever have to worry about customizing or
tweaking anything again. Mac does it all for you. Oh, did I mention that all
those cool movies and games you wanted your sound card for won't run?

TTFN!

--
The Rock

"I ain't no rookie, but..."

Remove the spaces (_) in the username to reply.

"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
Not stumped. Just on the east coast and in bed when you asked the question
regarding manual IRQ assignments.

Basically it's an issue of complexity of modern hardware mixed with
maintaining backward compatibility as much as possible with older
hardware.
In order for things to work the BIOS and the OS negotiate how they
communicate not only with each other, but the individual devices. And
there
in lies another issue. If the BIOS has assigned an IRQ to a given device,
it
may not be possible for the OS to change it. This is a highly formalized
process that is, unfortunately, implemented slightly differently by
different vendors. To add to the complexity, the devices and drivers must
adhere to a set of published standards. If any thing in that process
belches, burps or hiccups then things break.

I noticed up stream you implied that you attempted to use a standard HAL.
For that to work, you must reinstall and force the HAL selection. AFAIK,
if
you reinstall and select a standard HAL you'll have *some* ability to
manually control resources. But it does require a full blown reinstall and
there's no guarantees that you'll like the results any better. Basically
you
have a piece of hardware that is known to have issues with playing well
with
other devices.

Personally in your shoes, I'd simply go pick up a sound card from a
different vendor. It'll save you a lot of grief.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"CHRIIS" wrote in message
...
Im Not Saying Thats Its Your Products Fault But Why Did
You Get Rid Of Manual IRQ Changing In THe First Place,
When Clearly It was a life saver in 98 even though of
the..err..unstability and ME Edition. heh. But, Just Why
Get Rid Of IT?

Well Just Say You have More Power Then The Rest.

VIA Chipsets Are As Crappy As Can Be.



-----Original Message-----
You missed where I stated:

in lies another issue. If the BIOS has assigned an
IRQ to
a given device, it
may not be possible for the OS to change it. This is a

as well as

better. Basically you
have a piece of hardware that is known to have issues
with playing well with
other devices.

Between the two, there's no choice. If a standard HAL
did not allow you to
change the IRQ of the device, then your BIOS is at
fault. See first
reminder.

Of course there is another option. You could drop back
to 9x.

BTW: I don't work for MS. I just help people out as much
as I can. However
MS internal folk do peruse the NGs and some post here
from time to time.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...ileversion/def
ault.asp


"Chris" wrote in message
...
Well As You Mentioned Reinstalling Windows To use
Starndard, I Have Done That, But Nothing Changed, And
As
You Mention, Poor Results... Can You Not Just Make A
Tweak
For The People Who Want to change There settings? They
Shurly know the conciquences Of conflicting Everything.
But Still would alowed To Be Able To Change There
Settings, For Those Who Know How. Just Give Us A Little
credit, were not all computer Illiterate.
-Chris




-----Original Message-----
Not stumped. Just on the east coast and in bed when
you
asked the question
regarding manual IRQ assignments.

Basically it's an issue of complexity of modern
hardware
mixed with
maintaining backward compatibility as much as possible
with older hardware.
In order for things to work the BIOS and the OS
negotiate
how they
communicate not only with each other, but the
individual
devices. And there
in lies another issue. If the BIOS has assigned an
IRQ to
a given device, it
may not be possible for the OS to change it. This is a
highly formalized
process that is, unfortunately, implemented slightly
differently by
different vendors. To add to the complexity, the
devices
and drivers must
adhere to a set of published standards. If any thing
in
that process
belches, burps or hiccups then things break.

I noticed up stream you implied that you attempted to
use
a standard HAL.
For that to work, you must reinstall and force the HAL
selection. AFAIK, if
you reinstall and select a standard HAL you'll have
*some* ability to
manually control resources. But it does require a full
blown reinstall and
there's no guarantees that you'll like the results any
better. Basically you
have a piece of hardware that is known to have issues
with playing well with
other devices.

Personally in your shoes, I'd simply go pick up a
sound
card from a
different vendor. It'll save you a lot of grief.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org

http://support.microsoft.com/service...ileversion/def
a
ult.asp


"CHRIIS" wrote in message
...
Im Not Saying Thats Its Your Products Fault But Why
Did
You Get Rid Of Manual IRQ Changing In THe First
Place,
When Clearly It was a life saver in 98 even though
of
the..err..unstability and ME Edition. heh. But,
Just Why
Get Rid Of IT?


.



.

I'm guessing that you tried the VIA 4 in 1 update? What mobo. do you =
have?

Eric.


"Chris" wrote in message =
...
Well Just Say You have More Power Then The Rest.=20
=20
VIA Chipsets Are As Crappy As Can Be.
=20
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
You missed where I stated:

in lies another issue. If the BIOS has assigned an=20
IRQ to
a given device, it
may not be possible for the OS to change it. This is a

as well as

better. Basically you
have a piece of hardware that is known to have issues
with playing well with
other devices.

Between the two, there's no choice. If a standard HAL=20
did not allow you to
change the IRQ of the device, then your BIOS is at=20
fault. See first
reminder.

Of course there is another option. You could drop back=20
to 9x.

BTW: I don't work for MS. I just help people out as much=20
as I can. However
MS internal folk do peruse the NGs and some post here=20
from time to time.

--=20
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is=20
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...ileversion/def
ault.asp


"Chris" wrote in message
...
Well As You Mentioned Reinstalling Windows To use
Starndard, I Have Done That, But Nothing Changed, And=20
As
You Mention, Poor Results... Can You Not Just Make A=20
Tweak
For The People Who Want to change There settings? They
Shurly know the conciquences Of conflicting Everything.
But Still would alowed To Be Able To Change There
Settings, For Those Who Know How. Just Give Us A Little
credit, were not all computer Illiterate.
-Chris




-----Original Message-----
Not stumped. Just on the east coast and in bed when=20
you
asked the question
regarding manual IRQ assignments.

Basically it's an issue of complexity of modern=20
hardware
mixed with
maintaining backward compatibility as much as possible
with older hardware.
In order for things to work the BIOS and the OS=20
negotiate
how they
communicate not only with each other, but the=20
individual
devices. And there
in lies another issue. If the BIOS has assigned an=20
IRQ to
a given device, it
may not be possible for the OS to change it. This is a
highly formalized
process that is, unfortunately, implemented slightly
differently by
different vendors. To add to the complexity, the=20
devices
and drivers must
adhere to a set of published standards. If any thing=20
in
that process
belches, burps or hiccups then things break.

I noticed up stream you implied that you attempted to=20
use
a standard HAL.
For that to work, you must reinstall and force the HAL
selection. AFAIK, if
you reinstall and select a standard HAL you'll have
*some* ability to
manually control resources. But it does require a full
blown reinstall and
there's no guarantees that you'll like the results any
better. Basically you
have a piece of hardware that is known to have issues
with playing well with
other devices.

Personally in your shoes, I'd simply go pick up a=20
sound
card from a
different vendor. It'll save you a lot of grief.

--=20
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
=20
http://support.microsoft.com/service...ileversion/def
a
ult.asp


"CHRIIS" wrote in message
...
Im Not Saying Thats Its Your Products Fault But Why=20
Did
You Get Rid Of Manual IRQ Changing In THe First=20
Place,
When Clearly It was a life saver in 98 even though=20
of
the..err..unstability and ME Edition. heh. But,=20
Just Why
Get Rid Of IT?


.



.

Yes 4 in 1....Darn Them 4in1...Im Assuming Mobo Means
MotherBoard So..I Have An ABIT KT7A 1.3 Its The Only One
That Will Run My AMD 2100+ XP Chip.

Nothing Works Without the 4in1 its fustrating.




-----Original Message-----
I'm guessing that you tried the VIA 4 in 1 update? What
mobo. do you have?

Eric.


"Chris" wrote in message
...
Well Just Say You have More Power Then The Rest.

VIA Chipsets Are As Crappy As Can Be.



-----Original Message-----
You missed where I stated:

in lies another issue. If the BIOS has assigned an
IRQ to
a given device, it
may not be possible for the OS to change it. This
is a

as well as

better. Basically you
have a piece of hardware that is known to have
issues
with playing well with
other devices.

Between the two, there's no choice. If a standard HAL
did not allow you to
change the IRQ of the device, then your BIOS is at
fault. See first
reminder.

Of course there is another option. You could drop
back
to 9x.

BTW: I don't work for MS. I just help people out as
much
as I can. However
MS internal folk do peruse the NGs and some post here
from time to time.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org

http://support.microsoft.com/service...ileversion/def
ault.asp


"Chris" wrote in message
...
Well As You Mentioned Reinstalling Windows To use
Starndard, I Have Done That, But Nothing Changed,
And
As
You Mention, Poor Results... Can You Not Just Make
A
Tweak
For The People Who Want to change There settings?
They
Shurly know the conciquences Of conflicting
Everything.
But Still would alowed To Be Able To Change There
Settings, For Those Who Know How. Just Give Us A
Little
credit, were not all computer Illiterate.
-Chris




-----Original Message-----
Not stumped. Just on the east coast and in bed
when
you
asked the question
regarding manual IRQ assignments.

Basically it's an issue of complexity of modern
hardware
mixed with
maintaining backward compatibility as much as
possible
with older hardware.
In order for things to work the BIOS and the OS
negotiate
how they
communicate not only with each other, but the
individual
devices. And there
in lies another issue. If the BIOS has assigned an
IRQ to
a given device, it
may not be possible for the OS to change it. This
is a
highly formalized
process that is, unfortunately, implemented
slightly
differently by
different vendors. To add to the complexity, the
devices
and drivers must
adhere to a set of published standards. If any
thing
in
that process
belches, burps or hiccups then things break.

I noticed up stream you implied that you attempted
to
use
a standard HAL.
For that to work, you must reinstall and force the
HAL
selection. AFAIK, if
you reinstall and select a standard HAL you'll have
*some* ability to
manually control resources. But it does require a
full
blown reinstall and
there's no guarantees that you'll like the results
any
better. Basically you
have a piece of hardware that is known to have
issues
with playing well with
other devices.

Personally in your shoes, I'd simply go pick up a
sound
card from a
different vendor. It'll save you a lot of grief.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is
insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org


http://support.microsoft.com/service...ileversion/def
a
ult.asp


"CHRIIS" wrote in message
...
Im Not Saying Thats Its Your Products Fault But
Why
Did
You Get Rid Of Manual IRQ Changing In THe First
Place,
When Clearly It was a life saver in 98 even
though
of
the..err..unstability and ME Edition. heh. But,
Just Why
Get Rid Of IT?


.



.

.