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Old February 1st 05, 02:21 AM
Schooltech
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Default SP2 Security Center

If your PC is not connected to a domain, you see in the SP2 Security Center:
* A list of alert settings for the popup warnings
* Pop up warnings appear in the taskbar system notification area such as
"Your antivirus may be out of date."

As soon as you connect your PC to a domain, all these warnings disappear.

Microsoft in its infinite wisdom has not heard of domain users who aren't
plugged into the domain all the time, such as laptop users, or network
outages, or any other circumstance in which users of machines which are
plugged into the network might have their machines fail to continue to be
updated with automatic updates, or fail to receive antivirus updates.

It has apparently not occurred to Microsoft that
* since users can disconnect their machines from the network and still log
in, if the machine is not connected to the domain for an extended period it
might not receive automatic updates and thus be vulnerable
* if the antivirus updating is not working for some reason, the machine's
antivirus product could still become out of date with no warning to the
user.

It's a little much to expect any support from MS either for what is a new
product. There appears not to be one single security document or any useful
information on the Security Center.


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Old February 1st 05, 02:32 AM
Dave - Dave.net.nz
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Default SP2 Security Center

Schooltech wrote:
If your PC is not connected to a domain, you see in the SP2 Security Center:
* A list of alert settings for the popup warnings
* Pop up warnings appear in the taskbar system notification area such as
"Your antivirus may be out of date."


As soon as you connect your PC to a domain, all these warnings disappear.


really?
again I must be special... if I turn off the firewall I get it, and Im
sitting on a domain here.
  #3  
Old February 1st 05, 02:42 AM
Torgeir Bakken \(MVP\)
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Default SP2 Security Center

Schooltech wrote:

If your PC is not connected to a domain, you see in the SP2 Security Center:
* A list of alert settings for the popup warnings
* Pop up warnings appear in the taskbar system notification area such as
"Your antivirus may be out of date."

As soon as you connect your PC to a domain, all these warnings disappear.

Microsoft in its infinite wisdom has not heard of domain users who aren't
plugged into the domain all the time, such as laptop users, or network
outages, or any other circumstance in which users of machines which are
plugged into the network might have their machines fail to continue to be
updated with automatic updates, or fail to receive antivirus updates.
(snip)


You can turn it on again with a Group Policy setting.

From a previous post by me:

If the computer is member of a domain, the Security Center is
default disabled, and you will see this entry in the Application
event log (Source: SecurityCenter, Event ID: 1807):

"The Security Center service has been stopped. It was prevented
from running by a software group policy."

For a domain computer, this is normal and by design, the Security
Center is default turned off (and you will get the message mentioned
above in the event log). There is a Group Policy setting available
if you want to turn it on (domain wide or just for your computer
using Start/Run-- gpedit.msc).

Take a look at the chapter for the Security Center in
06_CIF_Maintenance.DOC

Security Center
What settings are added or changed in Windows XP Service Pack 2?
Group Policy settings (page 26 for me)


06_CIF_Maintenance.DOC ("Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP
Service Pack 2, Part 6: Computer Maintenance") can be downloaded from he

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en

Note: WinXPSP2_Documentation.zip contains all the .doc downloads...


It's a little much to expect any support from MS either for what is a new
product. There appears not to be one single security document or any useful
information on the Security Center.


In addition to the "Security Center" chapter in 06_CIF_Maintenance.DOC:

Frequently asked questions about Windows Security Center
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=883792



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Old February 1st 05, 05:14 AM
Colin Nash [MVP]
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Default SP2 Security Center


"Schooltech" wrote in message
...
If your PC is not connected to a domain, you see in the SP2 Security
Center:
* A list of alert settings for the popup warnings
* Pop up warnings appear in the taskbar system notification area such as
"Your antivirus may be out of date."

As soon as you connect your PC to a domain, all these warnings disappear.

Microsoft in its infinite wisdom has not heard of domain users who aren't
plugged into the domain all the time, such as laptop users, or network
outages, or any other circumstance in which users of machines which are
plugged into the network might have their machines fail to continue to be
updated with automatic updates, or fail to receive antivirus updates.

It has apparently not occurred to Microsoft that
* since users can disconnect their machines from the network and still log
in, if the machine is not connected to the domain for an extended period
it
might not receive automatic updates and thus be vulnerable
* if the antivirus updating is not working for some reason, the machine's
antivirus product could still become out of date with no warning to the
user.

It's a little much to expect any support from MS either for what is a new
product. There appears not to be one single security document or any
useful
information on the Security Center.



That's because they assume that most domains are run by professionals who
will take their own precautions to ensure that the systems are up-to-date
(and possibly, these professionals will want to do their own testing before
deploying patches through something like SUS or SMS.) The automatic updates
+ security center features in SP2 is really geared toward pure home users,
but as others have mentioned, system admins can turn its components on or
off on domains.


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Microsoft MVP
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Old February 1st 05, 07:36 AM
Schooltech
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Default SP2 Security Center


"Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" wrote in message
...
Schooltech wrote:

If your PC is not connected to a domain, you see in the SP2 Security

Center:
* A list of alert settings for the popup warnings
* Pop up warnings appear in the taskbar system notification area such as
"Your antivirus may be out of date."

As soon as you connect your PC to a domain, all these warnings

disappear.

Microsoft in its infinite wisdom has not heard of domain users who

aren't
plugged into the domain all the time, such as laptop users, or network
outages, or any other circumstance in which users of machines which are
plugged into the network might have their machines fail to continue to

be
updated with automatic updates, or fail to receive antivirus updates.
(snip)


You can turn it on again with a Group Policy setting.

From a previous post by me:

If the computer is member of a domain, the Security Center is
default disabled, and you will see this entry in the Application
event log (Source: SecurityCenter, Event ID: 1807):

"The Security Center service has been stopped. It was prevented
from running by a software group policy."

For a domain computer, this is normal and by design, the Security
Center is default turned off (and you will get the message mentioned
above in the event log). There is a Group Policy setting available
if you want to turn it on (domain wide or just for your computer
using Start/Run-- gpedit.msc).


OK I looked in gpedit.msc as this is per computer - only for a few computers
not all

Turn on Security Center (computers in Windows domain only)
Administrative Templates \System\ Security Center
N/A Not configured
On, Off

The problem is that there is not a Security Center under System

Are there new admin templates I need to install on SP2 computers to access
these settings?




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Old February 1st 05, 12:27 PM
Torgeir Bakken \(MVP\)
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Default SP2 Security Center

Schooltech wrote:

OK I looked in gpedit.msc as this is per computer - only for a few computers
not all

Turn on Security Center (computers in Windows domain only)
Administrative Templates \System\ Security Center
N/A Not configured
On, Off

The problem is that there is not a Security Center under System

Are there new admin templates I need to install on SP2 computers to access
these settings?

Hi

I see that the documentation is in error, you should find it he

Administrative Templates\WINDOWS COMPONENTS\Security Center



--
torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway
Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scr...r/default.mspx
  #7  
Old February 2nd 05, 01:00 AM
Schooltech
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Default SP2 Security Center


"Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" wrote in message
...
Schooltech wrote:

OK I looked in gpedit.msc as this is per computer - only for a few

computers
not all

Turn on Security Center (computers in Windows domain only)
Administrative Templates \System\ Security Center
N/A Not configured
On, Off

The problem is that there is not a Security Center under System

Are there new admin templates I need to install on SP2 computers to

access
these settings?

Hi

I see that the documentation is in error, you should find it he

Administrative Templates\WINDOWS COMPONENTS\Security Center


Thanks that works perfectly

My comments about support of Security Center relates to the fact that I
searched the Windows XP Knowledge Base, but was not able to find a single
article relating to the Security Center.


 




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