One step shutdown

There were 2 events, but I'm only posting one as the other has to do with my
Microtek Scanner Finder (which sometimes doesn't show up, for some reason).
Event Type: Error
Event Source: Application Error
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1001
Date: 9/28/2006
Time: 9:35:21 AM
User: N/A
Computer: CAROL
Description:
Fault bucket 85524801.

There are no Problem Devices. No problems that I can detect today. I've
set the Auto Restart button as you said, but...... Tell me, please...... How
do I get out of the blue screen Stop error, should it present itself?

The info I've found, as per your instructions, seems Pretty slim evidence to
go on.......but will be hoping that it tells you more than it does me. 8^)

Carol2


"Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message
...
Sometimes you don't have a choice. In a case like this, the power button
is the only option.

In addition to the disk check, you might want to try some other
troubleshooting steps to see if this was just a glitch or something more
serious.

Check the Event Viewer for possible information. Go to start/Run and type
eventvwr and press OK. Click the Application menu item on the left and
look for any "X" error messages that coincide with when you last saw this
behavior. If any are found, double click the error entry to see the
details, click the Copy Icon on the right side of the details dialog
screen (looks like 2 pages of text) and paste the error details in a reply
to this message. You only need to post the text starting with Event Type:
and ending with the Description:. You can omit the Data section.

ie:

Event Type: Error
Event Source: source
Event Category: category
Event ID: ID #
Date: date
Time: time
User: user name
Computer: computer name
Description:
Hanging application program, version, address

----

Next:
Go to Start/Run and type msinfo32 and press OK. Click
Components/ComponentsProblemDevices to check for possible hardware device
problems. If anything is visible in this window, copy the information and
post it in a reply.

----

Open Control Panel and double click the System icon. Click the Advanced
tab, look in the Startup and Recovery section and press the Settings
button. In the System Failure section, remove the check mark from the
Automatically Restart option. Apply/OK.

This will allow any blue screen error messages to be displayed. If you do
see a blue screen "STOP" error, always write down the first line of the
message.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"Carol2" wrote in message
...
Hi Ronnie.... As a person who is constantly preaching against using the
power button (& even the 3-finger salute) to shut down Windows, I
suddenly found myself in a situation where I had no choice (that I could
see) this morning. My WinXP Media Center Ed. pc is 1 mo. old & runs 24/7
(tho it has been rebooted frequently, since I am still in the process of
Slowly installing programs.....a few at a time). When I turned on the
LCD monitor this morning, the screen saver was frozen & mouse/keyboard
couldn't cancel it to bring up the desktop. I've never had this happen
before on my old WinXP HE. Everything Seems to be OK, but I plan to run
a thorough CheckDisk tonight to be, hopefully, be sure I haven't caused
any damage. I currently have 2 MB ram, & the only change to the system
this week has been a change from dial-up to high speed cable (on Mon).

Can you think of any other way I could have proceeded, since I couldn't
get to the desktop or Start button?

Carol2

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message
...
John

Phil is correct about this. Pressing the power button is considered an
improper shutdown and does not give Windows time to close all running
software, services, and etc, before the computer disconnects. This can
cause file corruption or even worse, a system that refuses to boot.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of information on that fairly generic error message. The only thing I could find was a reference to a NVidia video card driver problem. You might want to check for any updated video card drivers for the system.

If you see this BSOD again, be sure to write down the first few lines of the STOP: error and post that information here. Take a look at the image on the following website. You want to write down everything in the "Bugcheck Information" section.

BSOD Details.
http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpub...p?id_=18255271


--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"Carol2" wrote in message ...
There were 2 events, but I'm only posting one as the other has to do with my
Microtek Scanner Finder (which sometimes doesn't show up, for some reason).
Event Type: Error
Event Source: Application Error
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1001
Date: 9/28/2006
Time: 9:35:21 AM
User: N/A
Computer: CAROL
Description:
Fault bucket 85524801.

There are no Problem Devices. No problems that I can detect today. I've
set the Auto Restart button as you said, but...... Tell me, please...... How
do I get out of the blue screen Stop error, should it present itself?

The info I've found, as per your instructions, seems Pretty slim evidence to
go on.......but will be hoping that it tells you more than it does me. 8^)

Carol2


"Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message
...
Sometimes you don't have a choice. In a case like this, the power button
is the only option.

In addition to the disk check, you might want to try some other
troubleshooting steps to see if this was just a glitch or something more
serious.

Check the Event Viewer for possible information. Go to start/Run and type
eventvwr and press OK. Click the Application menu item on the left and
look for any "X" error messages that coincide with when you last saw this
behavior. If any are found, double click the error entry to see the
details, click the Copy Icon on the right side of the details dialog
screen (looks like 2 pages of text) and paste the error details in a reply
to this message. You only need to post the text starting with Event Type:
and ending with the Description:. You can omit the Data section.

ie:

Event Type: Error
Event Source: source
Event Category: category
Event ID: ID #
Date: date
Time: time
User: user name
Computer: computer name
Description:
Hanging application program, version, address

----

Next:
Go to Start/Run and type msinfo32 and press OK. Click
Components/ComponentsProblemDevices to check for possible hardware device
problems. If anything is visible in this window, copy the information and
post it in a reply.

----

Open Control Panel and double click the System icon. Click the Advanced
tab, look in the Startup and Recovery section and press the Settings
button. In the System Failure section, remove the check mark from the
Automatically Restart option. Apply/OK.

This will allow any blue screen error messages to be displayed. If you do
see a blue screen "STOP" error, always write down the first line of the
message.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"Carol2" wrote in message
...
Hi Ronnie.... As a person who is constantly preaching against using the
power button (& even the 3-finger salute) to shut down Windows, I
suddenly found myself in a situation where I had no choice (that I could
see) this morning. My WinXP Media Center Ed. pc is 1 mo. old & runs 24/7
(tho it has been rebooted frequently, since I am still in the process of
Slowly installing programs.....a few at a time). When I turned on the
LCD monitor this morning, the screen saver was frozen & mouse/keyboard
couldn't cancel it to bring up the desktop. I've never had this happen
before on my old WinXP HE. Everything Seems to be OK, but I plan to run
a thorough CheckDisk tonight to be, hopefully, be sure I haven't caused
any damage. I currently have 2 MB ram, & the only change to the system
this week has been a change from dial-up to high speed cable (on Mon).

Can you think of any other way I could have proceeded, since I couldn't
get to the desktop or Start button?

Carol2

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message
...
John

Phil is correct about this. Pressing the power button is considered an
improper shutdown and does not give Windows time to close all running
software, services, and etc, before the computer disconnects. This can
cause file corruption or even worse, a system that refuses to boot.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

That's what I was afraid of, Ronnie.....not much to go on. I had to update
the nVIDIA driver a couple weeks ago in order to get PSP-X to even Install.
Am now using 91.47 ForceWare-winXpMCE, & everything has worked nicely for
the past couple weeks with it.

I viewed the site you posted & understand the lines you need, IF/When I have
another event like this. Thanks again. 8^)

Carol2

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of information on that fairly generic error
message. The only thing I could find was a reference to a NVidia video card
driver problem. You might want to check for any updated video card drivers
for the system.

If you see this BSOD again, be sure to write down the first few lines of the
STOP: error and post that information here. Take a look at the image on the
following website. You want to write down everything in the "Bugcheck
Information" section.

BSOD Details.
http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpub...p?id_=18255271


--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"Carol2" wrote in message
...
There were 2 events, but I'm only posting one as the other has to do with
my
Microtek Scanner Finder (which sometimes doesn't show up, for some
reason).
Event Type: Error
Event Source: Application Error
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1001
Date: 9/28/2006
Time: 9:35:21 AM
User: N/A
Computer: CAROL
Description:
Fault bucket 85524801.

There are no Problem Devices. No problems that I can detect today. I've
set the Auto Restart button as you said, but...... Tell me, please......
How
do I get out of the blue screen Stop error, should it present itself?

The info I've found, as per your instructions, seems Pretty slim evidence
to
go on.......but will be hoping that it tells you more than it does me.
8^)

Carol2


"Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message
...
Sometimes you don't have a choice. In a case like this, the power button
is the only option.

In addition to the disk check, you might want to try some other
troubleshooting steps to see if this was just a glitch or something more
serious.

Check the Event Viewer for possible information. Go to start/Run and type
eventvwr and press OK. Click the Application menu item on the left and
look for any "X" error messages that coincide with when you last saw this
behavior. If any are found, double click the error entry to see the
details, click the Copy Icon on the right side of the details dialog
screen (looks like 2 pages of text) and paste the error details in a
reply
to this message. You only need to post the text starting with Event Type:
and ending with the Description:. You can omit the Data section.

ie:

Event Type: Error
Event Source: source
Event Category: category
Event ID: ID #
Date: date
Time: time
User: user name
Computer: computer name
Description:
Hanging application program, version, address

----

Next:
Go to Start/Run and type msinfo32 and press OK. Click
Components/ComponentsProblemDevices to check for possible hardware device
problems. If anything is visible in this window, copy the information and
post it in a reply.

----

Open Control Panel and double click the System icon. Click the Advanced
tab, look in the Startup and Recovery section and press the Settings
button. In the System Failure section, remove the check mark from the
Automatically Restart option. Apply/OK.

This will allow any blue screen error messages to be displayed. If you do
see a blue screen "STOP" error, always write down the first line of the
message.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"Carol2" wrote in message
...
Hi Ronnie.... As a person who is constantly preaching against using the
power button (& even the 3-finger salute) to shut down Windows, I
suddenly found myself in a situation where I had no choice (that I could
see) this morning. My WinXP Media Center Ed. pc is 1 mo. old & runs
24/7
(tho it has been rebooted frequently, since I am still in the process of
Slowly installing programs.....a few at a time). When I turned on the
LCD monitor this morning, the screen saver was frozen & mouse/keyboard
couldn't cancel it to bring up the desktop. I've never had this happen
before on my old WinXP HE. Everything Seems to be OK, but I plan to run
a thorough CheckDisk tonight to be, hopefully, be sure I haven't caused
any damage. I currently have 2 MB ram, & the only change to the system
this week has been a change from dial-up to high speed cable (on Mon).

Can you think of any other way I could have proceeded, since I couldn't
get to the desktop or Start button?

Carol2

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message
...
John

Phil is correct about this. Pressing the power button is considered an
improper shutdown and does not give Windows time to close all running
software, services, and etc, before the computer disconnects. This can
cause file corruption or even worse, a system that refuses to boot.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

'Vanguard' wrote, in part:
| No, you are wrong ... on how Ronnie configured his power options. ATX
| systems don't have a *power* switch anymore. They have a *soft*
| switch which goes to the motherboard, NOT to the power supply. You
| can configure Power Options, Advanced settings, so the soft switch
| will:
|
| - Do Nothing (which often means its action is under BIOS control)
| - Ask me what to do (you get the same popup window as when clicking
| Start - Shutdown menu).
| - Standby (puts you into low-power standby mode).
| - Hibernate (saves memory into a disk file and DOES power down).
| - Shut down (same as Start - Shutdown, select Shutdown, click OK).
_____

For an understanding of how ATX power supplies work, and what the front
panel 'Power Off' switch does, try
http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/atx2_2.pdf .

For an understanding why your post is incorrect, try what you suggest and
pay attention to the results.

Phil Weldon

"Vanguard" wrote in message
...
| "Phil Weldon" wrote in message
| ink.net...
| 'John Nice' wrote:
| | "When I press the power button: do nothing, stand by, hibernate,
| shut
| down"
|
| Wrong on both counts. I suggest you read your manual to better
| understand
| what you are doing.
|
|
| No, you are wrong ... on how Ronnie configured his power options. ATX
| systems don't have a *power* switch anymore. They have a *soft*
| switch which goes to the motherboard, NOT to the power supply. You
| can configure Power Options, Advanced settings, so the soft switch
| will:
|
| - Do Nothing (which often means its action is under BIOS control)
| - Ask me what to do (you get the same popup window as when clicking
| Start - Shutdown menu).
| - Standby (puts you into low-power standby mode).
| - Hibernate (saves memory into a disk file and DOES power down).
| - Shut down (same as Start - Shutdown, select Shutdown, click OK).
|
| The first option might end up with a hard power kill on the computer
| depending on what you have configured in BIOS. The rest of the power
| options are graceful and safe since the OS intercepts and handles the
| soft switch event.
|
| Have a glance at the Power Options applet in Control Panel. You might
| find some interesting settings.
|

Carol2

OK, Ill keep my fingers crossed.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"Carol2" wrote in message
...
That's what I was afraid of, Ronnie.....not much to go on. I had to
update the nVIDIA driver a couple weeks ago in order to get PSP-X to even
Install. Am now using 91.47 ForceWare-winXpMCE, & everything has worked
nicely for the past couple weeks with it.

I viewed the site you posted & understand the lines you need, IF/When I
have another event like this. Thanks again. 8^)

Carol2

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of information on that fairly generic
error message. The only thing I could find was a reference to a NVidia
video card driver problem. You might want to check for any updated video
card drivers for the system.

If you see this BSOD again, be sure to write down the first few lines of
the STOP: error and post that information here. Take a look at the image
on the following website. You want to write down everything in the
"Bugcheck Information" section.

BSOD Details.
http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpub...p?id_=18255271


--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"Carol2" wrote in message
...
There were 2 events, but I'm only posting one as the other has to do with
my
Microtek Scanner Finder (which sometimes doesn't show up, for some
reason).
Event Type: Error
Event Source: Application Error
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1001
Date: 9/28/2006
Time: 9:35:21 AM
User: N/A
Computer: CAROL
Description:
Fault bucket 85524801.

There are no Problem Devices. No problems that I can detect today. I've
set the Auto Restart button as you said, but...... Tell me, please......
How
do I get out of the blue screen Stop error, should it present itself?

The info I've found, as per your instructions, seems Pretty slim evidence
to
go on.......but will be hoping that it tells you more than it does me.
8^)

Carol2


"Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message
...
Sometimes you don't have a choice. In a case like this, the power button
is the only option.

In addition to the disk check, you might want to try some other
troubleshooting steps to see if this was just a glitch or something more
serious.

Check the Event Viewer for possible information. Go to start/Run and
type
eventvwr and press OK. Click the Application menu item on the left and
look for any "X" error messages that coincide with when you last saw
this
behavior. If any are found, double click the error entry to see the
details, click the Copy Icon on the right side of the details dialog
screen (looks like 2 pages of text) and paste the error details in a
reply
to this message. You only need to post the text starting with Event
Type:
and ending with the Description:. You can omit the Data section.

ie:

Event Type: Error
Event Source: source
Event Category: category
Event ID: ID #
Date: date
Time: time
User: user name
Computer: computer name
Description:
Hanging application program, version, address

----

Next:
Go to Start/Run and type msinfo32 and press OK. Click
Components/ComponentsProblemDevices to check for possible hardware
device
problems. If anything is visible in this window, copy the information
and
post it in a reply.

----

Open Control Panel and double click the System icon. Click the Advanced
tab, look in the Startup and Recovery section and press the Settings
button. In the System Failure section, remove the check mark from the
Automatically Restart option. Apply/OK.

This will allow any blue screen error messages to be displayed. If you
do
see a blue screen "STOP" error, always write down the first line of the
message.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"Carol2" wrote in message
...
Hi Ronnie.... As a person who is constantly preaching against using
the
power button (& even the 3-finger salute) to shut down Windows, I
suddenly found myself in a situation where I had no choice (that I
could
see) this morning. My WinXP Media Center Ed. pc is 1 mo. old & runs
24/7
(tho it has been rebooted frequently, since I am still in the process
of
Slowly installing programs.....a few at a time). When I turned on the
LCD monitor this morning, the screen saver was frozen & mouse/keyboard
couldn't cancel it to bring up the desktop. I've never had this happen
before on my old WinXP HE. Everything Seems to be OK, but I plan to
run
a thorough CheckDisk tonight to be, hopefully, be sure I haven't caused
any damage. I currently have 2 MB ram, & the only change to the system
this week has been a change from dial-up to high speed cable (on Mon).

Can you think of any other way I could have proceeded, since I couldn't
get to the desktop or Start button?

Carol2

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message
...
John

Phil is correct about this. Pressing the power button is considered an
improper shutdown and does not give Windows time to close all running
software, services, and etc, before the computer disconnects. This can
cause file corruption or even worse, a system that refuses to boot.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

"Phil Weldon" wrote in message
ink.net...
'Vanguard' wrote:
| No, you are wrong ... on how Ronnie configured his power options.
ATX
| systems don't have a *power* switch anymore. They have a *soft*
| switch which goes to the motherboard, NOT to the power supply.
You
| can configure Power Options, Advanced settings, so the soft switch
| will:
|
| - Do Nothing (which often means its action is under BIOS control)
| - Ask me what to do (you get the same popup window as when
clicking
| Start - Shutdown menu).
| - Standby (puts you into low-power standby mode).
| - Hibernate (saves memory into a disk file and DOES power down).
| - Shut down (same as Start - Shutdown, select Shutdown, click
OK).

For an understanding of how ATX power supplies work, and what the
front
panel 'Power Off' switch does, try
http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/atx2_2.pdf .

For an understanding why your post is incorrect, try what you
suggest and
pay attention to the results.


So you already forgot how the front power switch went directly to the
PSU for the prior AT spec? And you think that the soft switch that
now goes to the motherboard and controls the PS-ON signal under ATX is
the same thing? The PSU is now controlled by "soft" power options,
not by a direct connect from front switch to PSU.

I have used all the settings for the Power switch in the Power Options
applet. I've used the hibernate (which copies the memory to the
hiberfil.sys file and then powers down the PSU), the shutdown, and the
standby setting and they worked for me. Guess you'll need to figure
out why yours doesn't, or maybe get a motherboard that is less than 8
years old, or maybe your screwed up the BIOS settings and set it to
use APM instead of ACPI or you configured Windows' power options to
use APM instead of ACPI (which, as I recall, required you screw up the
BIOS to have it use APM unless you tell it to let the OS handle the
power control).

You really shouldn't spout specifications that you haven't even
bothered to read. Nowhere in the ATX spec does it specify how PS-ON
is controlled nor does it describe BIOS and OS control over the
various power modes. That's defined by the ACPI spec and which is
independent of the ATX spec. The only control described by the ATX
spec is the PS-ON signal that is used to actually control the on-off
state of the PSU itself, not the various power modes supported by the
mobo. It also describes why the 5VSB must still be active when the
PSU is powered down so those circuits on the MOTHERBOARD can control
when and if the PSU gets powered up or down.

The ATX spec does *not* define the various power modes of which some
are available as OS settings on the Power button (or for other keys on
your keyboard) as to how the OS will handle that event (i.e., what
power mode it will initiate). The ATX spec only describes how the
PS-ON signal is used to power up or power down the PSU and does NOT
define the various power *modes* supported by the motherboard.

Maybe you should go read:
http://www.intel.com/technology/iapc/acpi/faq.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acpi

S3 mode = Standby
S4 mode = Hibernate
S5 mode = Shutdown