Top posters This month Nov 2009

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:01:00 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along with what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and top-post?

No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are replying to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

In my opinion in a one on one email exchange the conversation is more
fluent and natural when replied to the top, but to each his own. Are
you so forgetful that you don't remember what was said in the previous
email and that you must reread or scroll through the whole conversation
again before you read the reply from the other person? And who says
that private emails should follow top/bottom reply rules? What others
do in their private emails is nobody's business but their own and they
should do whatever pleases them! In my opinion replying to the bottom
in an email exchange is like having to repeat everything twice when you
engage in a verbal discussion.

By far the worse thing about top/bottom posting are the ones who
complain about it and who insist that others must do it their way. As
far as I am concerned it doesn't make any difference, if I'm interested
in a discussion thread I follow it and with top posting I don't need to
scroll or reread through what was previously posted, and if I have to
then with one click my newsreader can arrange the posts by thread so
it's easy enough to sort out. I use both posting methods, if I see that
the person who started the thread wants to post on top I do too, if I
see that he wants to post at the bottom I follow him down there and post
at the bottom. As far as I'm concerned it's nitpicking, especially in
these Microsoft groups where both posting methods have always been
accepted without too much fuss from any but the nitpicking crowd. And
of course we won't say anything about the ones who post at the bottom
without ever snipping anything, you know, the ones who make others
scroll through pages and and pages of text only to find silly one liners
at the very bottom...

John

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:01:00 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along with what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and top-post?

No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are replying to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

In my opinion in a one on one email exchange the conversation is more
fluent and natural when replied to the top, but to each his own. Are
you so forgetful that you don't remember what was said in the previous
email and that you must reread or scroll through the whole conversation
again before you read the reply from the other person? And who says
that private emails should follow top/bottom reply rules? What others
do in their private emails is nobody's business but their own and they
should do whatever pleases them! In my opinion replying to the bottom
in an email exchange is like having to repeat everything twice when you
engage in a verbal discussion.

By far the worse thing about top/bottom posting are the ones who
complain about it and who insist that others must do it their way. As
far as I am concerned it doesn't make any difference, if I'm interested
in a discussion thread I follow it and with top posting I don't need to
scroll or reread through what was previously posted, and if I have to
then with one click my newsreader can arrange the posts by thread so
it's easy enough to sort out. I use both posting methods, if I see that
the person who started the thread wants to post on top I do too, if I
see that he wants to post at the bottom I follow him down there and post
at the bottom. As far as I'm concerned it's nitpicking, especially in
these Microsoft groups where both posting methods have always been
accepted without too much fuss from any but the nitpicking crowd. And
of course we won't say anything about the ones who post at the bottom
without ever snipping anything, you know, the ones who make others
scroll through pages and and pages of text only to find silly one liners
at the very bottom...

John

Unknown wrote:
Simply ignore those that complain about top posting.
"Olórin" wrote in message
...
"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:01:00 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along with
what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and top-post?
No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are replying
to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

"No problem at all. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page and
read backwards."
"Only thing is ... I forgot where we started."
"How right you are."
"Yeah ... sure does make us stand out, doesn't it?"
"Maybe they're just not as clever as we are."
"I wonder why nobody else top-posts?"
"That's nice."
"I'm a top-poster too."
"Yes."
"Are you a top-poster?"
"Hi."
"Hi."

A conversation between two top-posters:

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop
uk
Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about
e-mail, here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and never in a
business setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work their way up
through exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

I bottom posted down here just to further confuse things and to annoy
others by making them scroll down here for nothing... I'm sure someone
will complain that I should have snipped...

John

On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:00:12 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

"Steve Hayes" wrote in message

No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are replying
to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about e-mail,
here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and never in a business
setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work their way up through
exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

This, however, is not a forum for discussing netiquette, but rather for
discussing one particular operating system.

I suggest you Google "netiquette" for more information.



--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

John John - MVP wrote:
Unknown wrote:
Simply ignore those that complain about top posting.
"Olórin" wrote in message
...
"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:01:00 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that
everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along
with what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and
top-post?
No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are
replying to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

"No problem at all. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page and
read backwards."
"Only thing is ... I forgot where we started."
"How right you are."
"Yeah ... sure does make us stand out, doesn't it?"
"Maybe they're just not as clever as we are."
"I wonder why nobody else top-posts?"
"That's nice."
"I'm a top-poster too."
"Yes."
"Are you a top-poster?"
"Hi."
"Hi."

A conversation between two top-posters:

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full
stop uk
Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about
e-mail, here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and never
in a business setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work their
way up through exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

I bottom posted down here just to further confuse things and to annoy
others by making them scroll down here for nothing... I'm sure someone
will complain that I should have snipped...

John

Did you see the part about Kill Files?

--
JD..

JD wrote:
John John - MVP wrote:
Unknown wrote:
Simply ignore those that complain about top posting.
"Olórin" wrote in message
...
"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:01:00 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that
everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along
with what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and
top-post?
No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are
replying to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

"No problem at all. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page and
read backwards."
"Only thing is ... I forgot where we started."
"How right you are."
"Yeah ... sure does make us stand out, doesn't it?"
"Maybe they're just not as clever as we are."
"I wonder why nobody else top-posts?"
"That's nice."
"I'm a top-poster too."
"Yes."
"Are you a top-poster?"
"Hi."
"Hi."

A conversation between two top-posters:

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full
stop uk
Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about
e-mail, here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and never
in a business setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work their
way up through exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

I bottom posted down here just to further confuse things and to annoy
others by making them scroll down here for nothing... I'm sure someone
will complain that I should have snipped...

John

Did you see the part about Kill Files?

Yes, you're welcome to use them, it doesn't bother me one iota what
others read or don't read.

John

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:00:12 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

"Steve wrote in message

No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are replying
to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about e-mail,
here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and never in a business
setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work their way up through
exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

This, however, is not a forum for discussing netiquette, but rather for
discussing one particular operating system.

I suggest you Google "netiquette" for more information.




This is the argument that nobody can win.

When I reply, I bottom post unless the person I'm replying to is a top
poster, then I top post. The bottom post makes sense to me just like it
does to you. I don't read the paper from bottom to top. But who reads
the paper anymore?

Bottom posters and top posters will never agree on this. You got to love
a newsgroup!

--
JD..

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:00:12 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

"Steve wrote in message

No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are replying
to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about e-mail,
here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and never in a business
setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work their way up through
exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

This, however, is not a forum for discussing netiquette, but rather for
discussing one particular operating system.

I suggest you Google "netiquette" for more information.




This is the argument that nobody can win.

When I reply, I bottom post unless the person I'm replying to is a top
poster, then I top post. The bottom post makes sense to me just like it
does to you. I don't read the paper from bottom to top. But who reads
the paper anymore?

Bottom posters and top posters will never agree on this. You got to love
a newsgroup!

--
JD..

John John - MVP wrote:
JD wrote:
John John - MVP wrote:
Unknown wrote:
Simply ignore those that complain about top posting.
"Olórin" wrote in message
...
"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:01:00 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that
everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along
with what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and
top-post?
No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are
replying to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

"No problem at all. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page and
read backwards."
"Only thing is ... I forgot where we started."
"How right you are."
"Yeah ... sure does make us stand out, doesn't it?"
"Maybe they're just not as clever as we are."
"I wonder why nobody else top-posts?"
"That's nice."
"I'm a top-poster too."
"Yes."
"Are you a top-poster?"
"Hi."
"Hi."

A conversation between two top-posters:

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full
stop uk
Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about
e-mail, here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and never
in a business setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work their
way up through exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

I bottom posted down here just to further confuse things and to annoy
others by making them scroll down here for nothing... I'm sure someone
will complain that I should have snipped...

John

Did you see the part about Kill Files?

Yes, you're welcome to use them, it doesn't bother me one iota what
others read or don't read.

John

Ore you calling me an iota?

--
JD..

My post is at the bottom as some desired

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I thought "top posters" were bad and "bottom posters" were good?!
Rick Merrill wrote:
I thought "top posters" were bad and "bottom posters" were good?!

They're both superior to those who trim the entire text they are
replying to. ;-)
Daave wrote:
Rick Merrill wrote:
I thought "top posters" were bad and "bottom posters" were good?!

They're both superior to those who trim the entire text they are
replying to. ;-)



Top posters are the Devil. You are forced to read the message and rely
upside down. The end is the beginning. People that trim useless text
when they reply are OK by me. What really bothers me is people that
don't use their smell checkers. There is nothing like bad smelling.

So they're.

So their.

So there.

8-)

--
JD..
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:55:22 -0600, JD wrote Re
Top posters This month Nov 2009:

Top posters are the Devil. You are forced to read the message and rely
upside down.

Not if you put them in you kill file.
--
A: Yes.
Q: Does that happen with short messages too?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is it such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail?
: Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail?

Net nannies like you.
I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along with what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and top-post?

(He *killfiles* people who top-post? Sheesh!)


"Tom Willett" wrote in message
...

: Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail?

Net nannies like you.


On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:01:00 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along with what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and top-post?

No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are replying to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

"No problem at all. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page and
read backwards."
"Only thing is ... I forgot where we started."
"How right you are."
"Yeah ... sure does make us stand out, doesn't it?"
"Maybe they're just not as clever as we are."
"I wonder why nobody else top-posts?"
"That's nice."
"I'm a top-poster too."
"Yes."
"Are you a top-poster?"
"Hi."
"Hi."

A conversation between two top-posters:

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com

"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:01:00 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along with what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and top-post?

No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are replying
to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

"No problem at all. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page and
read backwards."
"Only thing is ... I forgot where we started."
"How right you are."
"Yeah ... sure does make us stand out, doesn't it?"
"Maybe they're just not as clever as we are."
"I wonder why nobody else top-posts?"
"That's nice."
"I'm a top-poster too."
"Yes."
"Are you a top-poster?"
"Hi."
"Hi."

A conversation between two top-posters:

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop
uk

Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about e-mail,
here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and never in a business
setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work their way up through
exchanges, and without their heads exploding.
Simply ignore those that complain about top posting.
"Olórin" wrote in message
...

"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:01:00 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along with
what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and top-post?

No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are replying
to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

"No problem at all. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page and
read backwards."
"Only thing is ... I forgot where we started."
"How right you are."
"Yeah ... sure does make us stand out, doesn't it?"
"Maybe they're just not as clever as we are."
"I wonder why nobody else top-posts?"
"That's nice."
"I'm a top-poster too."
"Yes."
"Are you a top-poster?"
"Hi."
"Hi."

A conversation between two top-posters:

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop
uk

Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about
e-mail, here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and never in a
business setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work their way up
through exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

Unknown wrote:
Simply ignore those that complain about top posting.
"Olórin" wrote in message
...
"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:01:00 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along with
what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and top-post?
No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are replying
to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

"No problem at all. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page and
read backwards."
"Only thing is ... I forgot where we started."
"How right you are."
"Yeah ... sure does make us stand out, doesn't it?"
"Maybe they're just not as clever as we are."
"I wonder why nobody else top-posts?"
"That's nice."
"I'm a top-poster too."
"Yes."
"Are you a top-poster?"
"Hi."
"Hi."

A conversation between two top-posters:

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop
uk
Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about
e-mail, here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and never in a
business setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work their way up
through exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

I bottom posted down here just to further confuse things and to annoy
others by making them scroll down here for nothing... I'm sure someone
will complain that I should have snipped...

John
John John - MVP wrote:
Unknown wrote:
Simply ignore those that complain about top posting.
"Olórin" wrote in message
...
"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:01:00 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that
everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along
with what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and
top-post?
No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are
replying to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

"No problem at all. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page and
read backwards."
"Only thing is ... I forgot where we started."
"How right you are."
"Yeah ... sure does make us stand out, doesn't it?"
"Maybe they're just not as clever as we are."
"I wonder why nobody else top-posts?"
"That's nice."
"I'm a top-poster too."
"Yes."
"Are you a top-poster?"
"Hi."
"Hi."

A conversation between two top-posters:

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full
stop uk
Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about
e-mail, here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and never
in a business setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work their
way up through exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

I bottom posted down here just to further confuse things and to annoy
others by making them scroll down here for nothing... I'm sure someone
will complain that I should have snipped...

John

Did you see the part about Kill Files?

--
JD..
JD wrote:
John John - MVP wrote:
Unknown wrote:
Simply ignore those that complain about top posting.
"Olórin" wrote in message
...
"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:01:00 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that
everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along
with what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and
top-post?
No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are
replying to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

"No problem at all. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page and
read backwards."
"Only thing is ... I forgot where we started."
"How right you are."
"Yeah ... sure does make us stand out, doesn't it?"
"Maybe they're just not as clever as we are."
"I wonder why nobody else top-posts?"
"That's nice."
"I'm a top-poster too."
"Yes."
"Are you a top-poster?"
"Hi."
"Hi."

A conversation between two top-posters:

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full
stop uk
Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about
e-mail, here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and never
in a business setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work their
way up through exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

I bottom posted down here just to further confuse things and to annoy
others by making them scroll down here for nothing... I'm sure someone
will complain that I should have snipped...

John

Did you see the part about Kill Files?

Yes, you're welcome to use them, it doesn't bother me one iota what
others read or don't read.

John
John John - MVP wrote:
JD wrote:
John John - MVP wrote:
Unknown wrote:
Simply ignore those that complain about top posting.
"Olórin" wrote in message
...
"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:01:00 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that
everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along
with what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and
top-post?
No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are
replying to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

"No problem at all. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page and
read backwards."
"Only thing is ... I forgot where we started."
"How right you are."
"Yeah ... sure does make us stand out, doesn't it?"
"Maybe they're just not as clever as we are."
"I wonder why nobody else top-posts?"
"That's nice."
"I'm a top-poster too."
"Yes."
"Are you a top-poster?"
"Hi."
"Hi."

A conversation between two top-posters:

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full
stop uk
Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about
e-mail, here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and never
in a business setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work their
way up through exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

I bottom posted down here just to further confuse things and to annoy
others by making them scroll down here for nothing... I'm sure someone
will complain that I should have snipped...

John

Did you see the part about Kill Files?

Yes, you're welcome to use them, it doesn't bother me one iota what
others read or don't read.

John

Ore you calling me an iota?

--
JD
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:00:12 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

"Steve Hayes" wrote in message

No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are replying
to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about e-mail,
here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and never in a business
setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work their way up through
exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

This, however, is not a forum for discussing netiquette, but rather for
discussing one particular operating system.

I suggest you Google "netiquette" for more information.



--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:00:12 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

"Steve wrote in message

No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are replying
to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about e-mail,
here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and never in a business
setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work their way up through
exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

This, however, is not a forum for discussing netiquette, but rather for
discussing one particular operating system.

I suggest you Google "netiquette" for more information.




This is the argument that nobody can win.

When I reply, I bottom post unless the person I'm replying to is a top
poster, then I top post. The bottom post makes sense to me just like it
does to you. I don't read the paper from bottom to top. But who reads
the paper anymore?

Bottom posters and top posters will never agree on this. You got to love
a newsgroup!

--
JD..
Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:01:00 -0000, "Olórin"
wrote:

I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along with what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and top-post?

No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are replying to.

And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

In my opinion in a one on one email exchange the conversation is more
fluent and natural when replied to the top, but to each his own. Are
you so forgetful that you don't remember what was said in the previous
email and that you must reread or scroll through the whole conversation
again before you read the reply from the other person? And who says
that private emails should follow top/bottom reply rules? What others
do in their private emails is nobody's business but their own and they
should do whatever pleases them! In my opinion replying to the bottom
in an email exchange is like having to repeat everything twice when you
engage in a verbal discussion.

By far the worse thing about top/bottom posting are the ones who
complain about it and who insist that others must do it their way. As
far as I am concerned it doesn't make any difference, if I'm interested
in a discussion thread I follow it and with top posting I don't need to
scroll or reread through what was previously posted, and if I have to
then with one click my newsreader can arrange the posts by thread so
it's easy enough to sort out. I use both posting methods, if I see that
the person who started the thread wants to post on top I do too, if I
see that he wants to post at the bottom I follow him down there and post
at the bottom. As far as I'm concerned it's nitpicking, especially in
these Microsoft groups where both posting methods have always been
accepted without too much fuss from any but the nitpicking crowd. And
of course we won't say anything about the ones who post at the bottom
without ever snipping anything, you know, the ones who make others
scroll through pages and and pages of text only to find silly one liners
at the very bottom...
John
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



And now is my turn to write to this post


Chapter 62 and I hope you all enjoyed the book

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged

WHO cares just answer a posters post if you can help.
this isn't perfection class is it?


--
AL'S COMPUTERS
"Olórin" wrote in message
...
I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along with what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and top-post?

(He *killfiles* people who top-post? Sheesh!)


"Tom Willett" wrote in message
...

: Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail?

Net nannies like you.

WHO cares just answer a posters post if you can help.
this isn't perfection class is it?


--
AL'S COMPUTERS
"Olórin" wrote in message
...
I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that everyone
should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go along with what
(in my experience) the overwhelming majority of people do, and top-post?

(He *killfiles* people who top-post? Sheesh!)


"Tom Willett" wrote in message
...

: Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail?

Net nannies like you.

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Bill P wrote:
Make that 18

Rick Merrill wrote:
I thought "top posters" were bad and "bottom posters" were good?!

Daave wrote:
They're both superior to those who trim the entire text they are
replying to. ;-)

JD wrote:
Top posters are the Devil. You are forced to read the message and
rely upside down. The end is the beginning. People that trim
useless text when they reply are OK by me. What really bothers me
is people that don't use their smell checkers. There is nothing
like bad smelling.
So they're.
So their.
So there.

8-)

Caesar Romano wrote:
Not if you put them in you kill file.

A: Yes.
Q: Does that happen with short messages too?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally
read text.
Q: Why is it such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail?

Tom Willett wrote:
Net nannies like you.

Olórin wrote:
I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that
everyone should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go
along with what (in my experience) the overwhelming majority of
people do, and top-post?
(He *killfiles* people who top-post? Sheesh!)

Steve Hayes wrote:
No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are
replying to.
And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

"No problem at all. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page and
read backwards."
"Only thing is ... I forgot where we started."
"How right you are."
"Yeah ... sure does make us stand out, doesn't it?"
"Maybe they're just not as clever as we are."
"I wonder why nobody else top-posts?"
"That's nice."
"I'm a top-poster too."
"Yes."
"Are you a top-poster?"
"Hi."
"Hi."

A conversation between two top-posters:

there is a split in the conversation here, two diverging threads
continues below and further below a note will be made
titled "In Response to Steve Hayes"

Olórin wrote:
Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about
e-mail, here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and
never in a business setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work
their way up through exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

there is a split in the conversation here, two diverging threads
continues below and further below a note will be made
titled "In response to Olórin"

Unknown wrote:
Simply ignore those that complain about top posting.

John John - MVP wrote:
I bottom posted down here just to further confuse things and to
annoy others by making them scroll down here for nothing... I'm
sure someone will complain that I should have snipped...

JD wrote:
Did you see the part about Kill Files?

John John - MVP wrote:
Yes, you're welcome to use them, it doesn't bother me one iota what
others read or don't read.

JD wrote:
Ore you calling me an iota?


In Response to Steve Hayes
this is where a new conversation thread starts

John John - MVP wrote:
In my opinion in a one on one email exchange the conversation is
more fluent and natural when replied to the top, but to each his
own. Are you so forgetful that you don't remember what was said in
the previous email and that you must reread or scroll through the
whole conversation again before you read the reply from the other
person? And who says that private emails should follow top/bottom
reply rules? What others do in their private emails is nobody's
business but their own and they should do whatever pleases them! In my
opinion replying to the bottom in an email exchange is like
having to repeat everything twice when you engage in a verbal
discussion.
By far the worse thing about top/bottom posting are the ones who
complain about it and who insist that others must do it their way. As far
as I am concerned it doesn't make any difference, if I'm
interested in a discussion thread I follow it and with top posting
I don't need to scroll or reread through what was previously
posted, and if I have to then with one click my newsreader can
arrange the posts by thread so it's easy enough to sort out. I use
both posting methods, if I see that the person who started the
thread wants to post on top I do too, if I see that he wants to
post at the bottom I follow him down there and post at the bottom. As far
as I'm concerned it's nitpicking, especially in these
Microsoft groups where both posting methods have always been
accepted without too much fuss from any but the nitpicking crowd. And of
course we won't say anything about the ones who post at the
bottom without ever snipping anything, you know, the ones who make
others scroll through pages and and pages of text only to find
silly one liners at the very bottom...

/In Response to Steve Hayes
/this is where a new conversation thread ends


In response to Olórin
this is where a new conversation thread starts

Steve Hayes wrote:
This, however, is not a forum for discussing netiquette, but rather
for discussing one particular operating system.

I suggest you Google "netiquette" for more information.

JD wrote:
This is the argument that nobody can win.

When I reply, I bottom post unless the person I'm replying to is a
top poster, then I top post. The bottom post makes sense to me just
like it does to you. I don't read the paper from bottom to top. But
who reads the paper anymore?

Bottom posters and top posters will never agree on this. You got to
love a newsgroup!

/In response to Olórin
/this is where a new conversation thread ends


In response to Southern Gospel News Updates
this is where a new conversation thread starts

Peter Foldes wrote:
My post is at the bottom as some desired

And now is my turn to write to this post

Chapter 62 and I hope you all enjoyed the book

/In response to Southern Gospel News Updates
/this is where a new conversation thread ends

Just quoting because it's fun...

The above is the "LONG" way of quoting this conversation in my opinion.

My next response - on the same level as this thread - is likely how I would
do it normally (not this way - ridiculously long IMHO.)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

One way to quote this entire message in some readable format:

Southern Gospel News Updates wrote:
This month 17
15
14
13
13
13
12
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11

All time 13473
6866
5421
5160
4088
3281
3231
3083
2233
2140

Bill P wrote:
Make that 18

Rick Merrill wrote:
I thought "top posters" were bad and "bottom posters" were good?!

Daave wrote:
They're both superior to those who trim the entire text they are
replying to. ;-)

JD wrote:
Top posters are the Devil. You are forced to read the message and
rely upside down. The end is the beginning. People that trim
useless text when they reply are OK by me. What really bothers me
is people that don't use their smell checkers. There is nothing
like bad smelling.
So they're.
So their.
So there.

8-)

Caesar Romano wrote:
Not if you put them in you kill file.

A: Yes.
Q: Does that happen with short messages too?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally
read text.
Q: Why is it such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail?

Tom Willett wrote:
Net nannies like you.

Olórin wrote:
I'm always curious about those who *insist* in newsgroups that
everyone should bottom-post - do they do the same in e-mails, or go
along with what (in my experience) the overwhelming majority of
people do, and top-post?
(He *killfiles* people who top-post? Sheesh!)

Steve Hayes wrote:
No you should post your reply immediately below the text you are
replying to.
And yes, that goes for e-mails as well.

"No problem at all. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page and
read backwards."
"Only thing is ... I forgot where we started."
"How right you are."
"Yeah ... sure does make us stand out, doesn't it?"
"Maybe they're just not as clever as we are."
"I wonder why nobody else top-posts?"
"That's nice."
"I'm a top-poster too."
"Yes."
"Are you a top-poster?"
"Hi."
"Hi."

A conversation between two top-posters:

there is a split in the conversation here, two diverging threads
continues below and further below a note will be made
titled "In Response to Steve Hayes"

Olórin wrote:
Okay, that's one opinion on the way to work (I'm just talking about
e-mail, here). Just one that I've rarely seen in practice, and
never in a business setting. If necessary, people DO manage to work
their way up through exchanges, and without their heads exploding.

there is a split in the conversation here, two diverging threads
continues below and further below a note will be made
titled "In response to Olórin"

Unknown wrote:
Simply ignore those that complain about top posting.

John John - MVP wrote:
I bottom posted down here just to further confuse things and to
annoy others by making them scroll down here for nothing... I'm
sure someone will complain that I should have snipped...

JD wrote:
Did you see the part about Kill Files?

John John - MVP wrote:
Yes, you're welcome to use them, it doesn't bother me one iota what
others read or don't read.

JD wrote:
Ore you calling me an iota?


In Response to Steve Hayes
this is where a new conversation thread starts

John John - MVP wrote:
In my opinion in a one on one email exchange the conversation is
more fluent and natural when replied to the top, but to each his
own. Are you so forgetful that you don't remember what was said in
the previous email and that you must reread or scroll through the
whole conversation again before you read the reply from the other
person? And who says that private emails should follow top/bottom
reply rules? What others do in their private emails is nobody's
business but their own and they should do whatever pleases them! In my
opinion replying to the bottom in an email exchange is like
having to repeat everything twice when you engage in a verbal
discussion.
By far the worse thing about top/bottom posting are the ones who
complain about it and who insist that others must do it their way. As far
as I am concerned it doesn't make any difference, if I'm
interested in a discussion thread I follow it and with top posting
I don't need to scroll or reread through what was previously
posted, and if I have to then with one click my newsreader can
arrange the posts by thread so it's easy enough to sort out. I use
both posting methods, if I see that the person who started the
thread wants to post on top I do too, if I see that he wants to
post at the bottom I follow him down there and post at the bottom. As far
as I'm concerned it's nitpicking, especially in these
Microsoft groups where both posting methods have always been
accepted without too much fuss from any but the nitpicking crowd. And of
course we won't say anything about the ones who post at the
bottom without ever snipping anything, you know, the ones who make
others scroll through pages and and pages of text only to find
silly one liners at the very bottom...

/In Response to Steve Hayes
/this is where a new conversation thread ends


In response to Olórin
this is where a new conversation thread starts

Steve Hayes wrote:
This, however, is not a forum for discussing netiquette, but rather
for discussing one particular operating system.

I suggest you Google "netiquette" for more information.

JD wrote:
This is the argument that nobody can win.

When I reply, I bottom post unless the person I'm replying to is a
top poster, then I top post. The bottom post makes sense to me just
like it does to you. I don't read the paper from bottom to top. But
who reads the paper anymore?

Bottom posters and top posters will never agree on this. You got to
love a newsgroup!

/In response to Olórin
/this is where a new conversation thread ends


In response to Southern Gospel News Updates
this is where a new conversation thread starts

Peter Foldes wrote:
My post is at the bottom as some desired

And now is my turn to write to this post

Chapter 62 and I hope you all enjoyed the book

/In response to Southern Gospel News Updates
/this is where a new conversation thread ends

Just quoting because it's fun...

The above is the "LONG" way of quoting this conversation in my opinion.

My next response - on the same level as this thread - is likely how I would
do it normally (not this way - ridiculously long IMHO.)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

The post in its entirety:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b5c76d5be72bf/



Peter Foldes wrote:
My post is at the bottom as some desired
snipped - see above
And now is my turn to write to this post

Chapter 62 and I hope you all enjoyed the book

Peter,

I believe you were chapter 20, not 62. ;-)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html