SSD Fitting Question

I have an old Dell Latitude D610 with a 'standard' 2.5 80GB spinning
rust drive, but the small size of the latter has always been a
thorough nuisance, and, although I haven't too much money to throw at
it, I'm wondering whether I might upgrade either the whole PC or at
least the drive.

Generally, what are the best SSDs about 120GB+, and in particular can
anyone tell me whether the following drive will fit in a laptop
directly or will it need the extra caddy in the 'Frequently bought
together section"?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-PLU.../dp/B01F9G414U

TIA
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 14:02:04 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

I have an old Dell Latitude D610 with a 'standard' 2.5 80GB spinning
rust drive, but the small size of the latter has always been a
thorough nuisance, and, although I haven't too much money to throw at
it, I'm wondering whether I might upgrade either the whole PC or at
least the drive.

Generally, what are the best SSDs about 120GB+, and in particular can
anyone tell me whether the following drive will fit in a laptop
directly or will it need the extra caddy in the 'Frequently bought
together section"?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-PLU.../dp/B01F9G414U

Just noticed that the 'extra caddy' is a 2.5in to 3.5in convertor, so
obviously *that* is *not* needed, but the question remains of whether
the drive will fit directly, or is some other form of mounting
required?
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On 04/23/2017 09:02 AM, Java Jive wrote:
I have an old Dell Latitude D610 with a 'standard' 2.5 80GB spinning
rust drive, but the small size of the latter has always been a
thorough nuisance, and, although I haven't too much money to throw at
it, I'm wondering whether I might upgrade either the whole PC or at
least the drive.

Generally, what are the best SSDs about 120GB+, and in particular can
anyone tell me whether the following drive will fit in a laptop
directly or will it need the extra caddy in the 'Frequently bought
together section"?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-PLU.../dp/B01F9G414U

TIA

I can't translate (easily) the dimensions but found the drive on Newegg
in US and it's spec'd out as 7mm. This is thin compared to some that
are 9mm thick.

My thoughts are that 1) it's thin and you have an older machine that
will take it, compared to some newer ultra thing laptops that demand
thin. 2) If Amazon will let you return it, then there isn't an issue.

"Java Jive" wrote

| Generally, what are the best SSDs about 120GB+, and in particular can
| anyone tell me whether the following drive will fit in a laptop
| directly or will it need the extra caddy in the 'Frequently bought
| together section"?
|

I don't know about laptops. Can't you tell
from your current drive spec? For a PC, the
drive you're looking at fits in a floppy adapter
to go into a 3.5" bay. Maybe you can tell from
that.

There's also a version that's still SATA but
more like a card, with exposed circuit board. I
bought one of those recently by accident. It's
meant for a laptop. I had to rig up an adapter
to get it stably mounted into a 3.5" PC bay. But
I can't say whether the card type will fit into
your laptop.

In message , Java Jive
writes:
I have an old Dell Latitude D610 with a 'standard' 2.5 80GB spinning
rust drive, but the small size of the latter has always been a
thorough nuisance, and, although I haven't too much money to throw at
it, I'm wondering whether I might upgrade either the whole PC or at
least the drive.

Generally, what are the best SSDs about 120GB+, and in particular can
anyone tell me whether the following drive will fit in a laptop
directly or will it need the extra caddy in the 'Frequently bought
together section"?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-PLU.../dp/B01F9G414U

TIA

They're usually designed to fit lengthwise and widthwise into the space
a laptop drive does; it's the thickness that seems to vary slightly -
someone else has already mentioned that. Probably not a problem with an
"old" laptop.

Of more concern, for an 80G drive, is: is it SATA or EIDE? If the latter
(44 way connector I think, for 2½" drives), I think you'll be in
trouble, as I don't think any EIDE SSDs are around.
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 14:02:04 +0100, Java Jive wrote:

Generally, what are the best SSDs about 120GB+, and in particular can
anyone tell me whether the following drive will fit in a laptop
directly or will it need the extra caddy in the 'Frequently bought
together section"?

Have you tried alt.comp.hardware and/or alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt?

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On 23/04/2017 14:02, Java Jive wrote:
I have an old Dell Latitude D610 with a 'standard' 2.5 80GB spinning
rust drive, but the small size of the latter has always been a
thorough nuisance, and, although I haven't too much money to throw at
it, I'm wondering whether I might upgrade either the whole PC or at
least the drive.

Generally, what are the best SSDs about 120GB+, and in particular can
anyone tell me whether the following drive will fit in a laptop
directly or will it need the extra caddy in the 'Frequently bought
together section"?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-PLU.../dp/B01F9G414U

TIA

The main issue is whether the existing HD is SATA or IDE. If it's the
older IDE type, the connectors certainly won't fit, and you probably
can't do it at all. [Since the Latitude D610 appears to be about 12
years old, it's quite likely that it *is* IDE]

If it's SATA, the SSD should just slot straight in. I have replaced the
SATA HDs with SSDs in both of my laptops. In one case, the old HD was a
bit thicker than the SSD, and I had to pack the SSD with a piece of
thick cardboard to make the connectors line up. You might have to do the
same.

Assuming that the current HD *is* SATA, it and its controller will
almost certainly not be SATA III. That would mean that you couldn't take
advantage of the full speed of the SATA drive - but it should still be
faster than the HD.

As far as capacity is concerned, going from 80GB to 120GB is hardly
worth doing. I would be looking at at least 240GB to make it worthwhile.
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In message , Java Jive
writes:
I have an old Dell Latitude D610 with a 'standard' 2.5 80GB spinning
rust drive, but the small size of the latter has always been a
thorough nuisance, and, although I haven't too much money to throw at
it, I'm wondering whether I might upgrade either the whole PC or at
least the drive.

Generally, what are the best SSDs about 120GB+, and in particular can
anyone tell me whether the following drive will fit in a laptop
directly or will it need the extra caddy in the 'Frequently bought
together section"?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-PLU.../dp/B01F9G414U

TIA

They're usually designed to fit lengthwise and widthwise into the space
a laptop drive does; it's the thickness that seems to vary slightly -
someone else has already mentioned that. Probably not a problem with an
"old" laptop.

Of more concern, for an 80G drive, is: is it SATA or EIDE? If the latter
(44 way connector I think, for 2?" drives), I think you'll be in
trouble, as I don't think any EIDE SSDs are around.

They are still available but expensive! I've checked for an old laptop I
have. Oh and not nearly the same size available, e.g. 60Gb rather than
250Gb.

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On 23/04/2017 14:02, Java Jive wrote:
I have an old Dell Latitude D610 with a 'standard' 2.5 80GB spinning
rust drive, but the small size of the latter has always been a
thorough nuisance, and, although I haven't too much money to throw at
it, I'm wondering whether I might upgrade either the whole PC or at
least the drive.

Generally, what are the best SSDs about 120GB+, and in particular can
anyone tell me whether the following drive will fit in a laptop
directly or will it need the extra caddy in the 'Frequently bought
together section"?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-PLU.../dp/B01F9G414U

TIA

The main issue is whether the existing HD is SATA or IDE. If it's the
older IDE type, the connectors certainly won't fit, and you probably
can't do it at all. [Since the Latitude D610 appears to be about 12
years old, it's quite likely that it *is* IDE]

If it's SATA, the SSD should just slot straight in. I have replaced the
SATA HDs with SSDs in both of my laptops. In one case, the old HD was a
bit thicker than the SSD, and I had to pack the SSD with a piece of
thick cardboard to make the connectors line up. You might have to do the
same.

Assuming that the current HD *is* SATA, it and its controller will
almost certainly not be SATA III. That would mean that you couldn't take
advantage of the full speed of the SATA drive - but it should still be
faster than the HD.

As far as capacity is concerned, going from 80GB to 120GB is hardly
worth doing. I would be looking at at least 240GB to make it worthwhile.

Agreed, might as well spring the extra for a 250Gb one instead.

On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 16:46:09 -0300, pjp
wrote:

In article ,
says...

As far as capacity is concerned, going from 80GB to 120GB is hardly
worth doing. I would be looking at at least 240GB to make it worthwhile.

Agreed, might as well spring the extra for a 250Gb one instead.


I would never recommend anything smaller than that. Even 250GB is the
low end, as far as I'm concerned. My C: SSD has 331GB used (and all
the data is on another D: HD).

Even if 250GB seems like enough today, it's likely not to be enough
tomorrow, and it's always a good idea to plan for the future, so you
don't have to do expensive upgrades later.

Java Jive wrote:

I have an old Dell Latitude D610 with a 'standard' 2.5 80GB spinning
rust drive, but the small size of the latter has always been a
thorough nuisance, and, although I haven't too much money to throw at
it, I'm wondering whether I might upgrade either the whole PC or at
least the drive.

Generally, what are the best SSDs about 120GB+, and in particular can
anyone tell me whether the following drive will fit in a laptop
directly or will it need the extra caddy in the 'Frequently bought
together section"?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-PLU.../dp/B01F9G414U

TIA

I upgraded a laptop from an HDD to an SDD thinking that I'd get a big
boost in performance. Some but not worth what I paid. The lowly mobile
CPU was the bottleneck along with only 4GB maximum of system RAM.

Can't tell what SSD would fit into an unknown bay size where currenlty
is the HDD. With Dell, specs don't give size of the HDD. You get specs
like those shown at:

http://www.dell.com/downloads/global...it_d610_en.pdf

The service and user guides are at:

http://downloads.dell.com/manuals/al...nual_en-us.pdf
http://downloads.dell.com/manuals/al...uide_en-us.pdf

They are no help since they give no form factor or dimensions of the
HDD. If you look at the HDD and get its brand and model, you should be
able to find out its form factor (its dimensions). Then you can
determine if the SSD will fit.

According to the manuals, the HDD is mounted to a chassis which (after
removing 2 screws on the bottom side) slides out. This is different
than an HDD bay with a cover plate where you slide back and lift out the
HDD. If it was a cover plate, the SSD could be smaller and you'd use
self-stick velcro to pad the drive bay or cover plate. For the chassis
in this laptop to fit to a new drive, the mounting holes in the drive
must match up with those in the chassis plus the power connectors match
up. I'd suggest sliding out the HDD and measuring it. They might use a
standard HDD so you could buy a non-Dell replacement but be sure the
connectors are the same offsets from the edges so the power/data
connectors will line up.

If not a Dell-custom HDD, and if the same form factor, the 2.5" SSD
should fit if the HDD currently in the laptop is also listed as a 2.5"
HDD. You need to check if the laptop's HDD chassis has its mounting
holes on the sides or bottom of the drive. From the manuals, looks like
the mounting screws in the chassis go into the bottom of the drive. The
pic at Amazon doesn't show that side so hopefully it has mounting holes
there. But you would still have to make sure the connectors on the SDD
were oriented the same way as the HDD after mounting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEeHxopvR3I

That shows removing the HDD out of a D600. Probably near the same for a
D610. From that video, the chassis for that model has mounting holes at
the sides and bottom of the drive. So even if the SSD only had side
holes (not likely) then it should fit as long as you put in the same
size drive (e.g., it was a 2.5" HDD and you put in a 2.5" SDD). I could
not tell from the D610 manuals if the HDD actually has a chassis to
which it mounts or just and end bracket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSp89mxGZQc

That shows the D630 which does not have a chassis but just an end
bracket. That requires attaching to the side mounts on the drive. I
did not find a Youtube video specifically on the D610 model.

Java Jive wrote:
I have an old Dell Latitude D610 with a 'standard' 2.5 80GB spinning
rust drive, but the small size of the latter has always been a
thorough nuisance, and, although I haven't too much money to throw at
it, I'm wondering whether I might upgrade either the whole PC or at
least the drive.

Generally, what are the best SSDs about 120GB+, and in particular can
anyone tell me whether the following drive will fit in a laptop
directly or will it need the extra caddy in the 'Frequently bought
together section"?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-PLU.../dp/B01F9G414U

TIA

When you use a 7mm SSD in a 9.5mm drive bay, you use the
2.5mm rectangular plastic spacer ring that comes with it,
to fill the additional space. Note that in addition to 9.5mm,
laptops come with a deeper drive bay than that, and then the
plastic spacer ring would be inappropriate. Generally, just
one spacer ring is provided, because the laptops with a
deeper bay, probably aren't even using SATA protocol.
The drive could be 44 pin IDE (the 2.5" version of IDE, where
the pins are on 2mm centers).

*******

The review for your machine, is dated 2005, or 12 years ago.

http://www.notebookreview.com/notebo...ew-pics-specs/

The processor is Pentium M 760. You could probably
upgrade the SODIMMs to at least 2x1GB, making the unit
workable with Windows 7.

The chipset block diagram *might* be similar to this. 855PM,
with two IDE ribbon cable busses for storage devices. That's
a different standard than the SATA drive you're trying to install,
with an entirely different (44 pin) connector. SATA is 7+15,
while IDE is 44 pin.

http://www.soundonsound.com/techniqu...-laptops-music

The SSD options for IDE are poor. You may find product in the
market, but it comes from less-trustworthy makers. Read the
reviews before buying anything.

This is an example of one that had customer reviews.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIA2F83U57438

So to verify what you've got, you could remove the
bottom plate on the machine and have a look. Or, you
could use CPUZ (portable version) from cpuid.com and
check the chipset.

Some laptop hard drives, come with an "interposer",
an adapter that sits between the drive and the bay. It
looks like the intention, is to provide some "flex" when
the laptop is torqued, so the connector doesn't snap. Don't
panic, if what you see in there, does not match Internet
pictures for SATA or 44 pin IDE.

On the SATA front, 1.8" drives use microSATA, while
2.5" and 3.5" drives use regular SATA. But with the
2005 vintage of the hardware, yours probably isn't
SATA anyway.

Paul

Ken Blake wrote:

On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 16:46:09 -0300, pjp
wrote:

In article ,
says...

As far as capacity is concerned, going from 80GB to 120GB is hardly
worth doing. I would be looking at at least 240GB to make it worthwhile.

Agreed, might as well spring the extra for a 250Gb one instead.

I would never recommend anything smaller than that. Even 250GB is the
low end, as far as I'm concerned. My C: SSD has 331GB used (and all
the data is on another D: HD).

Even if 250GB seems like enough today, it's likely not to be enough
tomorrow, and it's always a good idea to plan for the future, so you
don't have to do expensive upgrades later.

Guess that depends on how much software you load onto the computer. I
have a 256 GB SSD in my desktop PC and, so far, only 40 GB is used.
Like you, I keep the data elsewhere, along with other large files (ISOs,
videos, download repository, backups, OneDrive and Google Drive, etc).
None of that needs to be on the SSD. I just have the programs and OS on
the SSD, and even a video game, or two.

I put in the SSD (with the old HDD becoming a data drive) by cloning the
HDD to the SSD, so I was already stabilized in what I have in that
image. The SSD is 5 days shy of 1 year old. However, just recently I
got rid of a several programs that were handy at the time but I've never
used since. So consumption might've been more like maybe 50 GB a couple
weeks ago.

When you already have a setup that has stabilized when using an HDD, you
pretty much have a measure of what size new drive you need whether you
are replacing with another HDD or SDD. It's when you're doing a new
build that you have to do some size planning. What the OS consumes
isn't going to change much after its install other than for the update
repository which you can purge later. Moving the data elsewhere removes
that sizing from the planning. It's how many apps you are going to
install and what type of apps that will eat up the drive at a variable
rate after the OS install.

Since the OP is replacing an old HDD with a new SSD, my guess is that he
pretty much knows what size he needs. There are price points in
hardware where value is best, like what size SSDs sell most. Personally
I'd go with a Samsung EVO instead of a Sandisk just because of all the
problems reported by users of Sandisk. The Sandisk 120 GB SSD the OP
pointed to at Amazon cost £47.99. A Samsung 840 EVO 250 GB is about
twice the price; however, unless the OP really needs that extra space,
even when future planning on sizing, there's no point in wasting the
money on such an old laptop. He's probably not going to see the old
laptop turn into a blazing fast desktop equivalent, anyway. Still the
same old CPU and system RAM limitations.

On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 16:01:38 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 16:46:09 -0300, pjp
wrote:

In article ,
says...

As far as capacity is concerned, going from 80GB to 120GB is hardly
worth doing. I would be looking at at least 240GB to make it worthwhile.

Agreed, might as well spring the extra for a 250Gb one instead.

I would never recommend anything smaller than that. Even 250GB is the
low end, as far as I'm concerned. My C: SSD has 331GB used (and all
the data is on another D: HD).

Even if 250GB seems like enough today, it's likely not to be enough
tomorrow, and it's always a good idea to plan for the future, so you
don't have to do expensive upgrades later.

Guess that depends on how much software you load onto the computer.


Of course. But my point was that the amount of software you have today
is likely to be less than you will have tomorrow. I don't want to have
to upgrade the drive later on.


unless the OP really needs that extra space,
even when future planning on sizing, there's no point in wasting the
money on such an old laptop. He's probably not going to see the old
laptop turn into a blazing fast desktop equivalent, anyway. Still the
same old CPU and system RAM limitations.


Yes, you're right, of course; "there's no point in wasting the money
on such an old laptop." I either missed that it was an old laptop or
had forgotten it.

If it were me with an old laptop, I probably wouldn't spend anything
on upgrading to a SSD; I'd just buy a new laptop.

On 4/23/2017 9:02 AM, Java Jive wrote:
I have an old Dell Latitude D610 with a 'standard' 2.5 80GB spinning
rust drive, but the small size of the latter has always been a
thorough nuisance, and, although I haven't too much money to throw at
it, I'm wondering whether I might upgrade either the whole PC or at
least the drive.

Generally, what are the best SSDs about 120GB+, and in particular can
anyone tell me whether the following drive will fit in a laptop
directly or will it need the extra caddy in the 'Frequently bought
together section"?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-PLU.../dp/B01F9G414U

TIA

Go to youtube and search.
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+Latitude+D610
There are several links on doing it. They may give you some ideas on
fitage. I did that to my Dell and the video was very helpful. On my
DELL Inspiron iM101z-3980BK, I had to remove the keyboard to get to the
hard drive. It was very simple after seeing it done. I used Macrium
Reflect to do the software transfer.