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XP to XP network problem !
I have two old Dell machines, both running XP Pro.
Recently I connect two together in a network. The setup is like this: Machine A has two ethernet cards. Machine B has one. Machine A connects to the Internet (ADSL) with netcard 1. Machine A's netcard 2 connects to Machine B's only netcard. I have used XP's default "network connection" to set up a "workgroup", both with the same name. The network between Machine A and Machine B does function. Right now, Machine A can connects to the Internet but not Machine B. All the browsers in Machine B can't access to the Net. All report the same problem - can't find the server. Why? I have checked the IP addresses, the subnet mask, the default gateways of both machines - under the TCP/IP Under the "TCP/IP Properties": For Machine A, the IP address (under TCP/IP) is 192.168.0.1 and for Machine B, the IP address is 192.168.0.2 The subnet mask for both machines are 255.255.255.0. The Default Gateway for Machine B is 192.168.0.1 while the Default Gateway for Machine A is blank. I have checked every thing that I can think of, and still Machine B can't get to the Internet. It's a very simple network setup, I know, and I have set up much more complicated networks - and they work - but not this time. I have checked and re-checked, and re-checked it again. And still I can't find a clue what is going on. I have even disable the firewall on Machine B and still Machine B can't access the Internet. WHY ???? I have flushed the winsock cache on Machine B. Still no go. I have flushed all the browser caches of all the browsers (IE, Chrome, Opera, Firefox) and still none of the browsers on Machine B can access to the Internet. What have I missed? I dunno. What else should I do? Can someone please give me some advice, please? Thank you !! |
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XP to XP network problem !
"Tua Loh Au" wrote in message ... I have two old Dell machines, both running XP Pro. Recently I connect two together in a network. The setup is like this: Machine A has two ethernet cards. Machine B has one. Machine A connects to the Internet (ADSL) with netcard 1. Machine A's netcard 2 connects to Machine B's only netcard. I have used XP's default "network connection" to set up a "workgroup", both with the same name. The network between Machine A and Machine B does function. Right now, Machine A can connects to the Internet but not Machine B. All the browsers in Machine B can't access to the Net. All report the same problem - can't find the server. Why? I have checked the IP addresses, the subnet mask, the default gateways of both machines - under the TCP/IP Under the "TCP/IP Properties": For Machine A, the IP address (under TCP/IP) is 192.168.0.1 and for Machine B, the IP address is 192.168.0.2 The subnet mask for both machines are 255.255.255.0. The Default Gateway for Machine B is 192.168.0.1 while the Default Gateway for Machine A is blank. I have checked every thing that I can think of, and still Machine B can't get to the Internet. It's a very simple network setup, I know, and I have set up much more complicated networks - and they work - but not this time. I have checked and re-checked, and re-checked it again. And still I can't find a clue what is going on. I have even disable the firewall on Machine B and still Machine B can't access the Internet. WHY ???? I have flushed the winsock cache on Machine B. Still no go. I have flushed all the browser caches of all the browsers (IE, Chrome, Opera, Firefox) and still none of the browsers on Machine B can access to the Internet. What have I missed? I dunno. What else should I do? Can someone please give me some advice, please? Thank you !! Isn't that arrangement more like two separate networks that you have to bridge" together? Also, seems to me you're trying to not use a router which is a much easier way to do it. Cost of router isn't that much more than cost of a nic so ??? |
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XP to XP network problem !
sounds like you are trying to use 'Internet Connection Sharing' -
google it the problem with ICS is that Machine A must be turned on for Machine B to access the internet. far better to use a router. if you really want ICS see this MS link http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u..._02july01.mspx |
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XP to XP network problem !
On 02/28/2011 10:31 AM, Tua Loh Au wrote:
I have two old Dell machines, both running XP Pro. Tua http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijmVnXaa8fA |
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XP to XP network problem !
"Tua Loh Au" wrote in message ... I have two old Dell machines, both running XP Pro. Recently I connect two together in a network. The setup is like this: Machine A has two ethernet cards. Machine B has one. Machine A connects to the Internet (ADSL) with netcard 1. Machine A's netcard 2 connects to Machine B's only netcard. I have used XP's default "network connection" to set up a "workgroup", both with the same name. The network between Machine A and Machine B does function. Right now, Machine A can connects to the Internet but not Machine B. All the browsers in Machine B can't access to the Net. All report the same problem - can't find the server. Why? I have checked the IP addresses, the subnet mask, the default gateways of both machines - under the TCP/IP Under the "TCP/IP Properties": For Machine A, the IP address (under TCP/IP) is 192.168.0.1 and for Machine B, the IP address is 192.168.0.2 The subnet mask for both machines are 255.255.255.0. The Default Gateway for Machine B is 192.168.0.1 while the Default Gateway for Machine A is blank. I have checked every thing that I can think of, and still Machine B can't get to the Internet. It's a very simple network setup, I know, and I have set up much more complicated networks - and they work - but not this time. I have checked and re-checked, and re-checked it again. And still I can't find a clue what is going on. I have even disable the firewall on Machine B and still Machine B can't access the Internet. WHY ???? I have flushed the winsock cache on Machine B. Still no go. I have flushed all the browser caches of all the browsers (IE, Chrome, Opera, Firefox) and still none of the browsers on Machine B can access to the Internet. What have I missed? I dunno. What else should I do? Can someone please give me some advice, please? Thank you !! If you are using internet connection sharing (ICS), give it away and buy yourself a router. Get one that has 4 ethernet connections and wireless capability for the best of both worlds. (You then only need one ethernet card in each PC) ICS requires the "master PC" to be on, but, with a router all PCs are capable of connecting to the internet. |
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XP to XP network problem !
On Feb 28, 2:20*pm, "Sunny" wrote:
"Tua Loh Au" wrote in ... I have two old Dell machines, both running XP Pro. Recently I connect two together in a network. The setup is like this: Machine A has two ethernet cards. Machine B has one. Machine A connects to the Internet (ADSL) with netcard 1. Machine A's netcard 2 connects to Machine B's only netcard. I have used XP's default "network connection" to set up a "workgroup", both with the same name. The network between Machine A and Machine B does function. Right now, Machine A can connects to the Internet but not Machine B. All the browsers in Machine B can't access to the Net. All report the same problem - can't find the server. Why? I have checked the IP addresses, the subnet mask, the default gateways of both machines - under the TCP/IP Under the "TCP/IP Properties": For Machine A, the IP address (under TCP/IP) is 192.168.0.1 and for Machine B, the IP address is 192.168.0.2 The subnet mask for both machines are 255.255.255.0. The Default Gateway for Machine B is 192.168.0.1 while the Default Gateway for Machine A is blank. I have checked every thing that I can think of, and still Machine B can't get to the Internet. It's a very simple network setup, I know, and I have set up much more complicated networks - and they work - but not this time. I have checked and re-checked, and re-checked it again. And still I can't find a clue what is going on. I have even disable the firewall on Machine B and still Machine B can't access the Internet. WHY ???? I have flushed the winsock cache on Machine B. Still no go. I have flushed all the browser caches of all the browsers (IE, Chrome, Opera, Firefox) and still none of the browsers on Machine B can access to the Internet. What have I missed? I dunno. What else should I do? Can someone please give me some advice, please? Thank you !! If you are using internet connection sharing (ICS), give it away and buy yourself a router. Get one that has 4 ethernet connections and wireless capability for the best of both worlds. (You then only need one ethernet card in each PC) ICS requires the "master PC" to be on, but, with a router all PCs are capable of connecting to the internet. First of all I thank you and all the rest who have so generously replied to my original message. However, if you were to check the headers of my message you would know that I am not from a First World Country. No, I am from a poor Third World Country and the two machines that I network together I did it for a non-profit organization, which is very very lack in funds and resources. In First World Country routers come by easily - and cheaply, by your living standard. But in Third World Country - while a router isn't something "luxurious", for that poor non-profit entity, to think of spending money that they don't have on a router is still a luxurious dream. In fact, the two old Dell computers I donated to that non-profit organization, and they have only ONE internet connection, and with no router, that's the only way I can get both computers online. I know, I know, I have to t urn on Machine A in order to have Machine B accessing the Net, but that's the way it is, right now, until of course, they can find a router. Back to the main topic - what have I done wrong and what should I do to make both machines accessible to the internet? I can ping from Machine A to Machine B without problem. I can ping from Machine B to Machine A without problem. That means the two Machines are talking to each others - the network between them is working. Then how come Machine A can access the Net but not Machine B? How come Machine B's browsers keep giving me that "Server Not Found" error? I need help to solve this problem withOUT the router. Can you help, please?? Thank you all again ! |
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XP to XP network problem !
Tua Loh Au wrote:
On Feb 28, 2:20 pm, "Sunny" wrote: "Tua Loh Au" wrote in ... I have two old Dell machines, both running XP Pro. Recently I connect two together in a network. The setup is like this: Machine A has two ethernet cards. Machine B has one. Machine A connects to the Internet (ADSL) with netcard 1. Machine A's netcard 2 connects to Machine B's only netcard. I have used XP's default "network connection" to set up a "workgroup", both with the same name. The network between Machine A and Machine B does function. Right now, Machine A can connects to the Internet but not Machine B. All the browsers in Machine B can't access to the Net. All report the same problem - can't find the server. Why? I have checked the IP addresses, the subnet mask, the default gateways of both machines - under the TCP/IP Under the "TCP/IP Properties": For Machine A, the IP address (under TCP/IP) is 192.168.0.1 and for Machine B, the IP address is 192.168.0.2 The subnet mask for both machines are 255.255.255.0. The Default Gateway for Machine B is 192.168.0.1 while the Default Gateway for Machine A is blank. I have checked every thing that I can think of, and still Machine B can't get to the Internet. It's a very simple network setup, I know, and I have set up much more complicated networks - and they work - but not this time. I have checked and re-checked, and re-checked it again. And still I can't find a clue what is going on. I have even disable the firewall on Machine B and still Machine B can't access the Internet. WHY ???? I have flushed the winsock cache on Machine B. Still no go. I have flushed all the browser caches of all the browsers (IE, Chrome, Opera, Firefox) and still none of the browsers on Machine B can access to the Internet. What have I missed? I dunno. What else should I do? Can someone please give me some advice, please? Thank you !! First of all I thank you and all the rest who have so generously replied to my original message. However, if you were to check the headers of my message you would know that I am not from a First World Country. No, I am from a poor Third World Country and the two machines that I network together I did it for a non-profit organization, which is very very lack in funds and resources. In First World Country routers come by easily - and cheaply, by your living standard. But in Third World Country - while a router isn't something "luxurious", for that poor non-profit entity, to think of spending money that they don't have on a router is still a luxurious dream. In fact, the two old Dell computers I donated to that non-profit organization, and they have only ONE internet connection, and with no router, that's the only way I can get both computers online. I know, I know, I have to t urn on Machine A in order to have Machine B accessing the Net, but that's the way it is, right now, until of course, they can find a router. Back to the main topic - what have I done wrong and what should I do to make both machines accessible to the internet? I can ping from Machine A to Machine B without problem. I can ping from Machine B to Machine A without problem. That means the two Machines are talking to each others - the network between them is working. Then how come Machine A can access the Net but not Machine B? How come Machine B's browsers keep giving me that "Server Not Found" error? I need help to solve this problem withOUT the router. Can you help, please?? Thank you all again ! The fact Machine B doesn't know the Gateway, means it's going to have trouble looking up addresses via DNS. You need to find a way to assign the gateway address. ******* I set up ICS here. This is what I got. 192.168.x.y 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.10 - - - -------------- Machine A ------------------------------ Machine B Core2 Duo Laptop Machine A: netsh interface ip dump # Interface IP Configuration for "Local Area Connection 2" set address name = "Local Area Connection 2" source = dhcp set dns name = "Local Area Connection 2" source = dhcp set wins name = "Local Area Connection 2" source = dhcp # Interface IP Configuration for "Local Area Connection" set address name = "Local Area Connection" source = static addr = 192.168.0.1 mask = 255.255.255.0 set dns name = "Local Area Connection" source = static addr = none set wins name = "Local Area Connection" source = static addr = none ipconfig Windows 2000 IP Configuration Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.x.y --- regular LAN address Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.x.1 --- regular LAN gateway Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : --- doesn't need a gateway here Machine B: ipconfig Windows IP Configuration Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::f1e4:2336:c548:d8f4%11 IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.10 --- (setup via DHCP, to Machine A) Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 --- should have a gateway The configuration of Machine B wasn't changed. It's always been set to DHCP, to automatically get an IP address from whatever server is next to it. The configuration of Machine A was changed, by enabling ICS on the left hand network interface. That caused the right hand interface to be assigned a static 192.168.0.1 . A dialog popped up, declaring an "unexpected error", but everything still works. I rebooted Machine A, after setting it up, just to make sure everything was OK. Machine B simply responded to the changed state of Machine A, and Machine B did all the right things on its own, without intervention. All networking works. Ping tests. Web browsing on Machine A and B. ******* Perhaps you could add the gateway manually to Machine B ? Or check to see what your setup looks like here. http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7169/addgateway.gif HTH, Paul |
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XP to XP network problem !
Tua Loh Au wrote:
On Feb 28, 2:20 pm, wrote: "Tua Loh wrote in ... I have two old Dell machines, both running XP Pro. Recently I connect two together in a network. The setup is like this: Machine A has two ethernet cards. Machine B has one. Machine A connects to the Internet (ADSL) with netcard 1. Machine A's netcard 2 connects to Machine B's only netcard. I have used XP's default "network connection" to set up a "workgroup", both with the same name. The network between Machine A and Machine B does function. Right now, Machine A can connects to the Internet but not Machine B. All the browsers in Machine B can't access to the Net. All report the same problem - can't find the server. Why? I have checked the IP addresses, the subnet mask, the default gateways of both machines - under the TCP/IP Under the "TCP/IP Properties": For Machine A, the IP address (under TCP/IP) is 192.168.0.1 and for Machine B, the IP address is 192.168.0.2 The subnet mask for both machines are 255.255.255.0. The Default Gateway for Machine B is 192.168.0.1 while the Default Gateway for Machine A is blank. I have checked every thing that I can think of, and still Machine B can't get to the Internet. It's a very simple network setup, I know, and I have set up much more complicated networks - and they work - but not this time. I have checked and re-checked, and re-checked it again. And still I can't find a clue what is going on. I have even disable the firewall on Machine B and still Machine B can't access the Internet. WHY ???? I have flushed the winsock cache on Machine B. Still no go. I have flushed all the browser caches of all the browsers (IE, Chrome, Opera, Firefox) and still none of the browsers on Machine B can access to the Internet. What have I missed? I dunno. What else should I do? Can someone please give me some advice, please? Thank you !! If you are using internet connection sharing (ICS), give it away and buy yourself a router. Get one that has 4 ethernet connections and wireless capability for the best of both worlds. (You then only need one ethernet card in each PC) ICS requires the "master PC" to be on, but, with a router all PCs are capable of connecting to the internet. First of all I thank you and all the rest who have so generously replied to my original message. However, if you were to check the headers of my message you would know that I am not from a First World Country. No, I am from a poor Third World Country and the two machines that I network together I did it for a non-profit organization, which is very very lack in funds and resources. In First World Country routers come by easily - and cheaply, by your living standard. But in Third World Country - while a router isn't something "luxurious", for that poor non-profit entity, to think of spending money that they don't have on a router is still a luxurious dream. In fact, the two old Dell computers I donated to that non-profit organization, and they have only ONE internet connection, and with no router, that's the only way I can get both computers online. I know, I know, I have to t urn on Machine A in order to have Machine B accessing the Net, but that's the way it is, right now, until of course, they can find a router. Back to the main topic - what have I done wrong and what should I do to make both machines accessible to the internet? I can ping from Machine A to Machine B without problem. What are the IP of A and B? Note that the IP addresses must be in different subnets. do the following: IPCONFIG/ALL log.txt and post the content of log.txt |
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XP to XP network problem !
On 01/03/2011 12:10, me again wrote:
Tua Loh Au wrote: On Feb 28, 2:20 pm, wrote: "Tua Loh wrote in ... I have two old Dell machines, both running XP Pro. Recently I connect two together in a network. The setup is like this: Machine A has two ethernet cards. Machine B has one. Machine A connects to the Internet (ADSL) with netcard 1. Machine A's netcard 2 connects to Machine B's only netcard. I have used XP's default "network connection" to set up a "workgroup", both with the same name. The network between Machine A and Machine B does function. Right now, Machine A can connects to the Internet but not Machine B. All the browsers in Machine B can't access to the Net. All report the same problem - can't find the server. Why? I have checked the IP addresses, the subnet mask, the default gateways of both machines - under the TCP/IP Under the "TCP/IP Properties": For Machine A, the IP address (under TCP/IP) is 192.168.0.1 and for Machine B, the IP address is 192.168.0.2 The subnet mask for both machines are 255.255.255.0. The Default Gateway for Machine B is 192.168.0.1 while the Default Gateway for Machine A is blank. I have checked every thing that I can think of, and still Machine B can't get to the Internet. It's a very simple network setup, I know, and I have set up much more complicated networks - and they work - but not this time. I have checked and re-checked, and re-checked it again. And still I can't find a clue what is going on. I have even disable the firewall on Machine B and still Machine B can't access the Internet. WHY ???? I have flushed the winsock cache on Machine B. Still no go. I have flushed all the browser caches of all the browsers (IE, Chrome, Opera, Firefox) and still none of the browsers on Machine B can access to the Internet. What have I missed? I dunno. What else should I do? Can someone please give me some advice, please? Thank you !! If you are using internet connection sharing (ICS), give it away and buy yourself a router. Get one that has 4 ethernet connections and wireless capability for the best of both worlds. (You then only need one ethernet card in each PC) ICS requires the "master PC" to be on, but, with a router all PCs are capable of connecting to the internet. First of all I thank you and all the rest who have so generously replied to my original message. However, if you were to check the headers of my message you would know that I am not from a First World Country. No, I am from a poor Third World Country and the two machines that I network together I did it for a non-profit organization, which is very very lack in funds and resources. In First World Country routers come by easily - and cheaply, by your living standard. But in Third World Country - while a router isn't something "luxurious", for that poor non-profit entity, to think of spending money that they don't have on a router is still a luxurious dream. In fact, the two old Dell computers I donated to that non-profit organization, and they have only ONE internet connection, and with no router, that's the only way I can get both computers online. I know, I know, I have to t urn on Machine A in order to have Machine B accessing the Net, but that's the way it is, right now, until of course, they can find a router. Back to the main topic - what have I done wrong and what should I do to make both machines accessible to the internet? I can ping from Machine A to Machine B without problem. What are the IP of A and B? Note that the IP addresses must be in different subnets. They are in the original post. The OP needs a router EOT |
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XP to XP network problem !
Desk Rabbit wrote:
On 01/03/2011 12:10, me again wrote: Tua Loh Au wrote: On Feb 28, 2:20 pm, wrote: "Tua Loh wrote in ... They are in the original post. The problem is that BOTH nic are in the same subnet!!! The OP needs a router EOT Bull****! |
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XP to XP network problem !
"Tua Loh Au" wrote in message ... I have two old Dell machines, both running XP Pro. Recently I connect two together in a network. The setup is like this: Machine A has two ethernet cards. Machine B has one. Machine A connects to the Internet (ADSL) with netcard 1. Machine A's netcard 2 connects to Machine B's only netcard. Try removing MachineA's NIC2 from the loop and setting up Internet Connection Sharing again through machineA's NIC1 ... I'm pretty sure you only need one NIC on each computer .. actually as suggested below. |
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XP to XP network problem !
On 01/03/2011 19:22, me again wrote:
Desk Rabbit wrote: On 01/03/2011 12:10, me again wrote: Tua Loh Au wrote: On Feb 28, 2:20 pm, wrote: "Tua Loh wrote in ... They are in the original post. The problem is that BOTH nic are in the same subnet!!! Indeed they are. If you knew that, why did you ask for the IP addresses again. The OP needs a router EOT Bull****! Are you saying a router won't fix his problem? Given that he is even asking the question, it is extremely unlikely that he will be able to undestand the concept of bridging and ICS will be a PITA. Routers are cheap and readily available and if the OP is truly in a thrid world country working for a charity, I'll send him a router FOC! |
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