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Old December 23rd 10, 01:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup
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Default Using my extra RAM for other things in an old, updated 32-bitXP Pro. SP3. (OT -- Linux)

On 12/22/2010 09:44 PM, Ant wrote:
On 12/22/2010 12:39 PM PT, Alias typed:

So try out Linux Mint, 64 Bit. It's free and you can dual boot with XP.
It's pretty similar to XP but you will find it will make all your RAM
available, your Internet will be faster and no viruses or malware. Check
it out at http://www.linuxmint.com/ If you do it, download the DVD so
that Flash, Java, codecs, fonts, etc. get installed along with the OS.
When you start the install, it will detect XP and ask you if you want to
install Linux Mint side-by-side. It's pretty simple after that.


I am actually running an old 32-bit Debian on my older machine with its
2 GB of RAM. So if I ever wanted to go to another one, I would install
its 64-bit.

I don't really like having multi-boots since things get ugly and messy
when things go wrong (e.g., HDD problems, bugs, whatever). I used to do
that with Red Hat Linux 7.x and Windows 9x though. Things get crazy when
there are problems. I want to keep things simple now due to lack of free
time. I have free time during my Christmas break so I am taking
advantage of the upgrades and tweaks before things go nuts again! Boy,
my computers were super dusty after almost two years!

Thanks though.


I put all OSes on separate hard drives and use the BIOS (not grub) to
choose to which OS I want to boot into.

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  #17  
Old December 23rd 10, 01:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup
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Default Using my extra RAM for other things in an old, updated 32-bitXP Pro. SP3.

On 12/22/2010 10:15 PM, Patok wrote:
Alias wrote:

So try out Linux Mint, 64 Bit. It's free and you can dual boot with
XP. It's pretty similar to XP but you will find it will make all your
RAM available, your Internet will be faster and no viruses or malware.
Check it out at http://www.linuxmint.com/ If you do it, download the
DVD so that Flash, Java, codecs, fonts, etc. get installed along with
the OS. When you start the install, it will detect XP and ask you if
you want to install Linux Mint side-by-side. It's pretty simple after
that.


After multiple mentions (by you?) I went to that site to check it out.
And I see that Mint is based on Ubuntu. What is the difference, then? Here
http://www.linuxmint.com/about.php
they don't say anything that is not the same as Ubuntu. What is your
reason to like it better? (I already have Ubuntu installed in a
VirtualBox.)


If you download the DVD, you get Flash, Java, Fonts and many programs
installed at the same time as you install Mint. Mint installs T-Bird
instead of Evolution. I find it to be a polished Ubuntu. I also like the
default desktop lay out better. For people coming from Windows, it's
easier to manage the learning curve.

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  #18  
Old December 23rd 10, 01:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Bill in Co wrote:


I can't even see why anyone even needs 2 GB of RAM with WindowsXP, unless
they are 1) either going to run 10 huge apps simultaneously, OR 2) use a
few Virtual PC sessions.

I've got that much (2 GB) now, and don't think it's ever been close to being
fully used (and I've done some video processing work too, although I'm not
using the highest end video processing apps like Adobe Premiere or Vegas
Pro, or comparable).

I check the memory usage in Task Manager on various occasions, and it never
gets even close to reaching the 2 GB I've got installed. So it seems 1 GB
seems quite sufficient, as I think has been reported by many others, too.


On a typical day, I run two VMs at the same time on WinXP.
4GB (3.1GB free) does a good job for me, when I'm doing that.
I run two VMs, so I can compare software settings in each one
(typically, something is broken in one of them, and working
in the other, so I need to switch back and forth).

Before I got "hooked on VMs", I could comfortably run
with only 1GB installed, and even play the games I wanted to.

Paul
  #19  
Old December 23rd 10, 01:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup
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Default Using my extra RAM for other things in an old, updated 32-bitXP Pro. SP3. (OT -- Linux)

On 12/22/2010 4:00 PM PT, Alias typed:

I put all OSes on separate hard drives and use the BIOS (not grub) to
choose to which OS I want to boot into.


Ah, that's a good idea. How did you install OS without touching the
other drive? Did you disconnect the other drive?
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Old December 23rd 10, 01:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 12/22/2010 4:12 PM PT, Paul typed:

I can't even see why anyone even needs 2 GB of RAM with WindowsXP,
unless they are 1) either going to run 10 huge apps simultaneously, OR
2) use a few Virtual PC sessions.

I've got that much (2 GB) now, and don't think it's ever been close to
being fully used (and I've done some video processing work too,
although I'm not using the highest end video processing apps like
Adobe Premiere or Vegas Pro, or comparable).

I check the memory usage in Task Manager on various occasions, and it
never gets even close to reaching the 2 GB I've got installed. So it
seems 1 GB seems quite sufficient, as I think has been reported by
many others, too.


On a typical day, I run two VMs at the same time on WinXP.
4GB (3.1GB free) does a good job for me, when I'm doing that.
I run two VMs, so I can compare software settings in each one
(typically, something is broken in one of them, and working
in the other, so I need to switch back and forth).

Before I got "hooked on VMs", I could comfortably run
with only 1GB installed, and even play the games I wanted to.


Exactly. I run VMware Workstations too. Some newer games are such hogs
now.
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  #21  
Old December 23rd 10, 01:31 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup
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Default Using my extra RAM for other things in an old, updated 32-bitXP Pro. SP3.

Alias wrote:
On 12/22/2010 10:15 PM, Patok wrote:

After multiple mentions (by you?) I went to that site to check it out.
And I see that Mint is based on Ubuntu. What is the difference, then?
Here
http://www.linuxmint.com/about.php
they don't say anything that is not the same as Ubuntu. What is your
reason to like it better? (I already have Ubuntu installed in a
VirtualBox.)


If you download the DVD, you get Flash, Java, Fonts and many programs
installed at the same time as you install Mint. Mint installs T-Bird
instead of Evolution. I find it to be a polished Ubuntu. I also like the
default desktop lay out better. For people coming from Windows, it's
easier to manage the learning curve.


I see. Thanks.

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  #22  
Old December 23rd 10, 01:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co
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Ant wrote:
On 12/22/2010 4:12 PM PT, Paul typed:


No, I typed the first 3 paragraphs below. Paul typed what followed that.
:-)

I can't even see why anyone even needs 2 GB of RAM with WindowsXP,
unless they are 1) either going to run 10 huge apps simultaneously, OR
2) use a few Virtual PC sessions.

I've got that much (2 GB) now, and don't think it's ever been close to
being fully used (and I've done some video processing work too,
although I'm not using the highest end video processing apps like
Adobe Premiere or Vegas Pro, or comparable).

I check the memory usage in Task Manager on various occasions, and it
never gets even close to reaching the 2 GB I've got installed. So it
seems 1 GB seems quite sufficient, as I think has been reported by
many others, too.


THIS part was from Paul:

On a typical day, I run two VMs at the same time on WinXP.
4GB (3.1GB free) does a good job for me, when I'm doing that.
I run two VMs, so I can compare software settings in each one
(typically, something is broken in one of them, and working
in the other, so I need to switch back and forth).

Before I got "hooked on VMs", I could comfortably run
with only 1GB installed, and even play the games I wanted to.


Exactly. I run VMware Workstations too. Some newer games are such hogs
now.
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Old December 23rd 10, 02:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp
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Default Using my extra RAM for other things in an old, updated 32-bitXP Pro. SP3. (OT -- Linux)

On 12/23/2010 01:26 AM, Ant wrote:
On 12/22/2010 4:00 PM PT, Alias typed:

I put all OSes on separate hard drives and use the BIOS (not grub) to
choose to which OS I want to boot into.


Ah, that's a good idea. How did you install OS without touching the
other drive? Did you disconnect the other drive?


Yes, and when there's a kernel or grub update, I disconnect it before
installing. Currently I have Win 7, XP and Mint on three different
drives in the same computer.

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  #24  
Old December 23rd 10, 03:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp
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Default Using my extra RAM for other things in an old, updated 32-bitXP Pro. SP3. (OT -- Linux)

On 12/22/2010 5:05 PM PT, Alias typed:

I put all OSes on separate hard drives and use the BIOS (not grub) to
choose to which OS I want to boot into.


Ah, that's a good idea. How did you install OS without touching the
other drive? Did you disconnect the other drive?


Yes, and when there's a kernel or grub update, I disconnect it before
installing. Currently I have Win 7, XP and Mint on three different
drives in the same computer.


Ah, that would be a pain for me since I am disabled.
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Old December 23rd 10, 04:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Bill in Co
I have 4Gb with a Windows 98
Why to Run my Server, it help MySql run, my PHP, and my CGI, to save Time
For when you go to MyNews.ath.cx it get all up date info for aioe and put it
in the RAM ! send you the Info from HDD. at the Same time my Ram Up date it
HDD with the New Info!

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  #26  
Old December 23rd 10, 04:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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MyNews wrote:

I have 4Gb with a Windows 98



Win98 cannot and will not recognize all of your 4GB RAM. There is a
limit on all Win32 architecture.

Personally, it is crazy to run a server on Win98 unless you are using it
as a hobby to pass time!!

hth
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Old December 23rd 10, 05:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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Tester wrote:


MyNews wrote:

I have 4Gb with a Windows 98



Win98 cannot and will not recognize all of your 4GB RAM. There is a
limit on all Win32 architecture.

Personally, it is crazy to run a server on Win98 unless you are using it
as a hobby to pass time!!

hth


For that case, you need to set up the MaxPhysPage thing. That
makes Win98 ignore the excess RAM present in the computer.
20000 = 512MB is a nice safe value. Between 512MB and 1GB,
you need to throw in the MaxFileCache thing too.

*******

C:\Windows\system.ini

[vcache]
MaxFileCache=524288 (or a lesser number if you want)

[386enh]
MaxPhysPage=20000

Paul
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Old December 23rd 10, 06:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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Hi Paul,

Thanks for this info but I am not using Win98. My present server is
Windows 2003 with 2MB ram. Sometimes in January, I expect to get a new
Dell Server with 16MB Ram running on Windows Server 2008 SP2 64 bit.

I was simply replying to "MyNews" but he replied back in his pigeon
English which I fail to understand and so out of politeness I decided
not to reply back.

hth


Paul wrote:
For that case, you need to set up the MaxPhysPage thing. That
makes Win98 ignore the excess RAM present in the computer.
20000 = 512MB is a nice safe value. Between 512MB and 1GB,
you need to throw in the MaxFileCache thing too.

*******

C:\Windows\system.ini

[vcache]
MaxFileCache=524288 (or a lesser number if you want)

[386enh]
MaxPhysPage=20000

Paul

  #29  
Old December 23rd 10, 01:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup
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Default Using my extra RAM for other things in an old, updated 32-bitXP Pro. SP3.

Ant wrote:
[snip]

I heard that I can use the unused memory for other things like a RAM
drive for swap files, %temp%, etc. How do I do that?
[snip]


I suspect you heard a reference to expanded memory and/or
extended memory from DOS era. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanded_memory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_memory

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Old December 23rd 10, 01:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp
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On 12/23/2010 03:47 AM, Ant wrote:
On 12/22/2010 5:05 PM PT, Alias typed:

I put all OSes on separate hard drives and use the BIOS (not grub) to
choose to which OS I want to boot into.

Ah, that's a good idea. How did you install OS without touching the
other drive? Did you disconnect the other drive?


Yes, and when there's a kernel or grub update, I disconnect it before
installing. Currently I have Win 7, XP and Mint on three different
drives in the same computer.


Ah, that would be a pain for me since I am disabled.


How so?

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