New, Non-Cosmetic Features In Vista -- Ten Good Reasons To Upgrade

No, Totally Mistaken -- as I've pointed out in previous posts.

No one has been able to come up with a bullet list of TEN good reasons to
move from XP Pro SP2 to Vista NOW.

The best one I've seen so far is the little box that springs up when you
move over a file to make sure you have the right one -- but I'm not even
sure about that one -- because with SP2 I THINK I already HAVE that
capability.

Microsoft needs to come up with that TEN POINT LIST -- if no one else will.

Vide infra.

DSH

"BSchnur" wrote in message
om...

The problem you pose is in part, while worded as if this is a simple
straightforward request, it really isn't. Face it, you control the
rules -- someone tries to respond to what on its face is a simple
request, but then you have the option (which you readily exercise) of
rejecting the response.

No, the responses have mostly been quite trivial. Some, honest ones, have
simply been admissions that they can't do it -- even FIVE.

Ten good reasons -- someone replies with what *for them* represents a
good set of reasons and you (for your own reasons which for you might
well be quite reasonable) reject them as not being 'good' reasons.

Have you seen a list of TEN -- in bullet form? I certainly haven't.

The nature of your responses to those who have tried to reply suggests
that quite frankly, you are not *really* interested in switching to
Vista from your existing XP SP2 environment. No problem with that, (by
and large that's my own inclination at this point in time), but at a
certain point, your approach just might put folks off.

Too Bad. I'm open to EVIDENCE. SHOW ME SOME.

No, I'm not from Missouri -- but SHOW ME.

DSH

--
Barry Schnur

"Justin" wrote in message
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Instant Search. Being able to search files and email, all with the same
search, one keystroke at a time. As well as network files.

Well, yes. That sounds worthwhile. What do you mean by "one keystroke at a
time"? Is it FAST -- or crawling and SLOW?

Fun stuff!

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...antsearch.mspx

You can come close with Windows Desktop Search on XP but then again, that
app is garbage. Especially when it comes to a large amount of files.

Being able to resize thumbnails and look inside documents (explorer).
This has made a few people at my place of work MUCH MORE productive as
well as myself.

Possibly. How does it help you save time?

Need more?

Yes, EIGHT. g

Could you please put these in bullet form -- as one-liners?

Muchas Gracias.

DSH

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
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Yes, you make sense -- wait a year or so.

However, I'm thinking of NEW FUNCTIONS...

Things I can do with Vista that I can't do with XP Pro SP2.

Everything I've seen and heard so far is just cosmetic -- no real
FUNCTIONAL upgrade.

But I'm still open to suggestions -- none have been offered.

I realize the next box I buy will have Vista.

I usually buy top of the line stuff for $4,000 or so -- and then keep it
for a while -- not act like a barking dog running after a garbage
truck -- which is what SOME early adopters act like.

Cheers,

DSH

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
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Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

Yes, I decided to do precisely that about three weeks ago --
or at least until SP1 -- preferably SP2.

What GOOD Things does Vista do for you that XP Pro SP2 could
NOT?

Can you come up with TEN of those?

'Nuff Said.

Spence, I dunno if I can think of a specific number of reasons
NOT to go to Vista right now, but I can think of only ONE reason
TO go to Vista - if I needed to buy a PC right now and could not
find one that I wanted without buying it. e.g., I want to buy an
OEM like Dell, Compaq, etc. and the ones in the store that fit my
price point or performance have already required Vista, OR I WANT
to buy a hotter PC and I believe - rightly or wrongly - that it
doesn't make any sense to use a legacy O/S.

Now, some folk who just go down to their local CompUSA, Circuit
City or Best Buy will buy whatever the sales droid tell them they
should, and they will likely hear the droid talking about all the
usual reasons to buy a new MS O/S, principly more robust, more
secure, more modern, more user features, etc. That isn't
necessarily bad for Mr.and Mrs. Newbie.

And, folks like me, MIGHT want to get a really hot PC built from
parts AND get a modern O/S to take advantage of anything the new
motherboard and video HW makers can throw at me. So, I think I
have only ONE reason to buy, but that just ain't enough right now
because as best I can tell, my key apps aren't ready yet and it
is dicey to expect that my still running but quite old HP 1220C
will have a driver nor my old but still running MicroTek
Scanmaker 4, but they might.

So, as this thread and one running on a Vista NG where I am
losing ground to the "surge", I COULD go now, in 6 months, or a
year. Think I'll opt for a year and give them who like to lead
with their chin a chance to be first. As you've seen me say, "if
it ain't broke, don't try to fix it" and "never give Murphy an
even break", both of which I would violate if I buy now.

Have a good Hump Day!

--
HP, aka Jerry

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
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Well, yes. That sounds worthwhile. What do you mean by "one keystroke at
a time"? Is it FAST -- or crawling and SLOW?

FAST

Possibly. How does it help you save time?

Ugh, I'm tired of explaining this, sorry. Sometimes I spend a LOT of time
searching. Now I don't.

Yes, EIGHT. g

Where did TEN come from? Why do you need ten? Higher productivity is all I
need to justify Vista Business @ $120 per license.

It's going to cost less then the cost of a NAS storage extension for us to
upgrade.

For home, with Vista starting @ $99, it'll cost WAY LESS then a months worth
of gas.

"One keystroke at a time" -- sounds like AutoComplete writ large.

But it starts the search immediately, whether you want it to or not?

That sounds like a Time-Waster rather than a Time-Saver. You say you have
to paste what you want in? That certainly sounds primitive.

DSH

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
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But it starts the search immediately, whether you want it to or not?

It waits a split second for you to stop typing, but when I need to search
for gibberish for example, 008003654GHTF then I tend to type that out
slowly. The only reason it becomes a pain is because of the massive amount
of files I have. On a normal system you don't notice anything at all.

And that is an IMPROVEMENT feature?

Hilarious!

I'll bet SP1 fixes that or SHOULD fix that, so you type your desired search
in -- then hit a button to start the search....

Currently it just sounds like AutoComplete run amuck.

DSH

"Justin" wrote in message
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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
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But it starts the search immediately, whether you want it to or not?

It waits a split second for you to stop typing, but when I need to search
for gibberish for example, 008003654GHTF then I tend to type that out
slowly. The only reason it becomes a pain is because of the massive
amount of files I have. On a normal system you don't notice anything at
all.

Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:43:21 -0800 from Justin :
For home, with Vista starting @ $99, it'll cost WAY LESS then a months worth
of gas.

Are you serious? I commute every day to work, and make the usual
number of other trips, and gas costs me about $40 a month.

What do you drive, a Hummer?

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/

Who wants a LOW-END Vista to replace XP Pro SP2?

DSH

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
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Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:43:21 -0800 from Justin :

For home, with Vista starting @ $99, it'll cost WAY LESS then a months
worth of gas.

Are you serious? I commute every day to work, and make the usual
number of other trips, and gas costs me about $40 a month.

What do you drive, a Hummer?

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
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Who wants a LOW-END Vista to replace XP Pro SP2?

We give up. Who? Are you assuming that's what everyone has?

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
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Are you serious? I commute every day to work, and make the usual
number of other trips, and gas costs me about $40 a month.

A tank a month (or two)? I'd say you are below average.

Ok, hybrids aside!

Let's get some math in involved. You say you "commute"?

"to travel regularly over some distance, as from a suburb into a city and
back: He commutes to work by train."

Every day? I'll assume a normal work week so 5 days. I wont be absurd and
use the entire 7 days of "every day".

With the average gas price being $2.41 for regular:

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/

That almost gives us enough info:

20 days
$40 dollars
$2.40 per gallon

= 16.6666666 gallons per month

Now we need to know what car you drive in order to establish how many miles
you can drive per gallon. For now I'll just use a consumer average since
we're talking about the average consumer.

http://www.bts.gov/publications/tran...er_Gallon.html

This is old, so I'll bump it up to 28MPG (which is being very generous)

28 * 16.666666666 = 466.666666 per month

466.666666 / 20 = 23.333333

23.333333 / 2 = 11.66666 miles each way

I would hardly call that a commute. Plus we haven't even factored in lunch,
weekends or errands.

"Usual # of other trips" would bring you down to 5-6 miles to and from work.
This is also the BEST CASE scenario. Imagine worse mileage or needing
higher octane.

You do realize that you can save the planet a little and ride a bike to
work? Even more reason you can afford Vista! Yeah!!!!

Or we can look at it a different way. I'll spare you the individual steps:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Tra...=485098&page=1

26 miles each way @ $40 a month comes to you're getting - 62.40 miles per
gallon. WOW!!!!!!!!

So he commutes about 23 miles per day to and from work.

So What?

That's a quite reasonable commute for someone who is smart and has bought a
house in a nice leafy suburb.

Are you envious or just angry that he is doing far better than you?

Or is it both?

DSH

"Justin" wrote in message
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"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...

Are you serious? I commute every day to work, and make the usual
number of other trips, and gas costs me about $40 a month.

A tank a month (or two)? I'd say you are below average.

Ok, hybrids aside!

Let's get some math in involved. You say you "commute"?

"to travel regularly over some distance, as from a suburb into a city and
back: He commutes to work by train."

Every day? I'll assume a normal work week so 5 days. I wont be absurd
and use the entire 7 days of "every day".

With the average gas price being $2.41 for regular:

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/

That almost gives us enough info:

20 days
$40 dollars
$2.40 per gallon

= 16.6666666 gallons per month

Now we need to know what car you drive in order to establish how many
miles you can drive per gallon. For now I'll just use a consumer average
since we're talking about the average consumer.

http://www.bts.gov/publications/tran...er_Gallon.html

This is old, so I'll bump it up to 28MPG (which is being very generous)

28 * 16.666666666 = 466.666666 per month

466.666666 / 20 = 23.333333

23.333333 / 2 = 11.66666 miles each way

I would hardly call that a commute. Plus we haven't even factored in
lunch, weekends or errands.

"Usual # of other trips" would bring you down to 5-6 miles to and from
work. This is also the BEST CASE scenario. Imagine worse mileage or
needing higher octane.

You do realize that you can save the planet a little and ride a bike to
work? Even more reason you can afford Vista! Yeah!!!!

Or we can look at it a different way. I'll spare you the individual
steps:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Tra...=485098&page=1

26 miles each way @ $40 a month comes to you're getting - 62.40 miles per
gallon. WOW!!!!!!!!

Stan Brown wrote:

Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:43:21 -0800 from Justin :
For home, with Vista starting @ $99, it'll cost WAY LESS then a
months worth of gas.

Are you serious? I commute every day to work, and make the usual
number of other trips, and gas costs me about $40 a month.

What do you drive, a Hummer?


If you're talking about averages, I think you're both wrong. Gas in the USA
runs around $2.50 a gallon. Assuming that the average car (not a Hummer)
gets around 25 miles to the gallon., it takes $.10 worth of gas to drive a
mile. The average driver drives around 12,000 miles a year. That's $1,200,
or $100 a month.

I'm using round numbers to make the arithmetic easy, not precise ones, but
they are pretty close.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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If you're talking about averages, I think you're both wrong. Gas in the
USA runs around $2.50 a gallon.

How do you figure? $2.50 isn't far from $2.41 anyway. At least I provided
backup with a link.

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com:80/

Today it's up to $2.433. I used regular to prove without any doubt that the
average commuter can not spend $40 a month on gas.

Assuming that the average car (not a Hummer) gets around 25 miles to the
gallon.

You say 25, I said 28. At least I was giving a little onto his side. Just
to prove without any doubt that the average commuter can not spend $40 a
month on gas.

, it takes $.10 worth of gas to drive a mile. The average driver drives
around 12,000 miles a year. That's $1,200, or $100 a month.

That's fine, but you fail to address his quote of $40 a month and apply it
to the fact that he claims to be a commuter.

Either way, with the direct upgrade from XP Home being $99, you further
prove my point. If you can afford more "Vista" in your Vista then great!

I posted this question on a forum. So far, only one response:

Statement - It's easy for a COMMUTER to spends $40 a month on gas. Please
respond.

First Reply -
really?
are they commuting to their fridge?

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:24:18 -1000, D. Spencer Hines wrote:

"Justin" wrote in message
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Instant Search. Being able to search files and email, all with the same
search, one keystroke at a time. As well as network files.

Well, yes. That sounds worthwhile. What do you mean by "one keystroke at a
time"? Is it FAST -- or crawling and SLOW?

The same search function is already provided for XP my Microsoft, but
Justin doesn't have enough experience to know that.


--
Leythos
(remove 999 for proper email address)

No really worried about points here. I am using Vista. I have no problems. I
am happy. I have a 4-5 year old box that was last upgraded 2 years ago.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
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No, Totally Mistaken -- as I've pointed out in previous posts.

No one has been able to come up with a bullet list of TEN good reasons to
move from XP Pro SP2 to Vista NOW.

The best one I've seen so far is the little box that springs up when you
move over a file to make sure you have the right one -- but I'm not even
sure about that one -- because with SP2 I THINK I already HAVE that
capability.

Microsoft needs to come up with that TEN POINT LIST -- if no one else
will.

Vide infra.

DSH

"BSchnur" wrote in message
om...

The problem you pose is in part, while worded as if this is a simple
straightforward request, it really isn't. Face it, you control the
rules -- someone tries to respond to what on its face is a simple
request, but then you have the option (which you readily exercise) of
rejecting the response.

No, the responses have mostly been quite trivial. Some, honest ones, have
simply been admissions that they can't do it -- even FIVE.

Ten good reasons -- someone replies with what *for them* represents a
good set of reasons and you (for your own reasons which for you might
well be quite reasonable) reject them as not being 'good' reasons.

Have you seen a list of TEN -- in bullet form? I certainly haven't.

The nature of your responses to those who have tried to reply suggests
that quite frankly, you are not *really* interested in switching to
Vista from your existing XP SP2 environment. No problem with that, (by
and large that's my own inclination at this point in time), but at a
certain point, your approach just might put folks off.

Too Bad. I'm open to EVIDENCE. SHOW ME SOME.

No, I'm not from Missouri -- but SHOW ME.

DSH

--
Barry Schnur