Which virtual machine

I want to load and try some OSs mostly Linux, Which VM would be the
essayist to set up and use, Virtualbox or VMware Player?
This is strictly a time killer and not a must do thing.
I am running Windows 10, 1909
Thanks for all your suggestions.

Rene

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:39:32 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I want to load and try some OSs mostly Linux, Which VM would be the
essayist to set up and use, Virtualbox or VMware Player?
This is strictly a time killer and not a must do thing.
I am running Windows 10, 1909
Thanks for all your suggestions.


I find VMware Player reasonably easy to set up and
install Linux in.


FYI on Windows 10 v.1909, you will need at least
version 15 of VMware Workstation Player.


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Kind regards
Ralph

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I want to load and try some OSs mostly Linux, Which VM would be the
essayist to set up and use, Virtualbox or VMware Player?
This is strictly a time killer and not a must do thing.
I am running Windows 10, 1909
Thanks for all your suggestions.

Rene

My personal favorite is VirtualBox.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

The best hosting ever was VPC2007, because it
allowed containers (.vhd) to be moved between
guest machines with no pesky "tracking" going on. The
other hosting softwares tend to "track" the containers,
and you can't copy/clone them, move them between
storage volumes and the like, without incurring
the wrath of VBoxManage. To move a container might
involve "unregistering it", "deleting it", "registering it",
as a sort of ceremony. I don't know what purpose all
that serves, when in the end "I'm going to get my
way anyway", but that's how these people think.

There was nothing else about VPC2007 worth having. It
only emulated a single CPU core. It sees to be
marginally smoother in terms of real time performance
(the Windows 7 startup animation is smoother).

Presumably if you did move the control file(s) and
container(s) to another physical computer while using
VirtualBox, all of these registration gadgets would pay off.
But I just don't buy that having all that heavy-handed
management is worth it in the long run. All it does is
it gets in your way. You get sick of saying
"Mother May I" after a while.

Paul

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 18:50:47 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:39:32 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I want to load and try some OSs mostly Linux, Which VM would be the
essayist to set up and use, Virtualbox or VMware Player?
This is strictly a time killer and not a must do thing.
I am running Windows 10, 1909
Thanks for all your suggestions.


I find VMware Player reasonably easy to set up and
install Linux in.

FYI on Windows 10 v.1909, you will need at least
version 15 of VMware Workstation Player.

I'm running multiple Win 10 1909 VMs on VMware Workstation 14 Pro.

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 01:05:19 -0500, Paul wrote:

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I want to load and try some OSs mostly Linux, Which VM would be the
essayist to set up and use, Virtualbox or VMware Player?
This is strictly a time killer and not a must do thing.
I am running Windows 10, 1909
Thanks for all your suggestions.

Rene

My personal favorite is VirtualBox.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

My personal favorite is the only one with which I have direct experience,
VMware Workstation Pro. This is the non-free product that gets compared to
the free-for-personal-use VMware Player.

The best hosting ever was VPC2007, because it
allowed containers (.vhd) to be moved between
guest machines with no pesky "tracking" going on. The
other hosting softwares tend to "track" the containers,
and you can't copy/clone them, move them between
storage volumes and the like, without incurring
the wrath of VBoxManage.

If I move a VM to another host, which is rare for me, VMware asks me if
I've moved it or copied it. That's the extent of the drama. I click the
appropriate button and life goes on.

To move a container might
involve "unregistering it", "deleting it", "registering it",
as a sort of ceremony. I don't know what purpose all
that serves, when in the end "I'm going to get my
way anyway", but that's how these people think.

There was nothing else about VPC2007 worth having. It
only emulated a single CPU core. It sees to be
marginally smoother in terms of real time performance
(the Windows 7 startup animation is smoother).

Ugh, none of those limitations with VMware. Use as few or as many cores as
you like, and the same with system memory.

Paul wrote:

My personal favorite is VirtualBox.

Has the incompatibility between Win10 sandbox and Virtualbox been sorted
out?

On 16/01/2020 07:20, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 18:50:47 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:39:32 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I want to load and try some OSs mostly Linux, Which VM would be the
essayist to set up and use, Virtualbox or VMware Player?
This is strictly a time killer and not a must do thing.
I am running Windows 10, 1909
Thanks for all your suggestions.


I find VMware Player reasonably easy to set up and
install Linux in.

FYI on Windows 10 v.1909, you will need at least
version 15 of VMware Workstation Player.

I'm running multiple Win 10 1909 VMs on VMware Workstation 14 Pro.


*WHY*?

I've read that *CRIMINALS* do such things when engaged in *CYBERCRIME
ACTIVITIES*.

Best NOT to 'Blow your own horn', Jackson!

There's always someone watching.

--
The truth *WILL* out - always!

David wrote:
On 16/01/2020 07:20, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 18:50:47 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:39:32 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I want to load and try some OSs mostly Linux, Which VM would be the
essayist to set up and use, Virtualbox or VMware Player?
This is strictly a time killer and not a must do thing.
I am running Windows 10, 1909
Thanks for all your suggestions.


I find VMware Player reasonably easy to set up and
install Linux in.

FYI on Windows 10 v.1909, you will need at least
version 15 of VMware Workstation Player.

I'm running multiple Win 10 1909 VMs on VMware Workstation 14 Pro.


*WHY*?

I've read that *CRIMINALS* do such things when engaged in *CYBERCRIME
ACTIVITIES*.

Best NOT to 'Blow your own horn', Jackson!

There's always someone watching.


I have used multiple VMs for testing, playing, messing with scam artists,
recording videos, etc.

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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 01:20:16 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 18:50:47 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:39:32 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I want to load and try some OSs mostly Linux, Which VM would be the
essayist to set up and use, Virtualbox or VMware Player?
This is strictly a time killer and not a must do thing.
I am running Windows 10, 1909
Thanks for all your suggestions.


I find VMware Player reasonably easy to set up and
install Linux in.

FYI on Windows 10 v.1909, you will need at least
version 15 of VMware Workstation Player.

I'm running multiple Win 10 1909 VMs on VMware Workstation 14 Pro.


You appear to say you are running multiple Win 10 1909 _guests_.

The OP wants to run multiple Linux guests on a Win 10 1909 _host_.

Win 10 (as _host_) last year blacklisted VMware Workstation 14 from running.
See this forum thread: https://communities.vmware.com/thread/619804
Also https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/07/windows_update_vmware_workstation/


--
Kind regards
Ralph
🦊

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 01:05:19 -0500, Paul
wrote:

To move a container might
involve "unregistering it", "deleting it", "registering it",
as a sort of ceremony.

For VMWare Player it es easy: Put the files of the VM on another host
and on first start of the VM choose "I moved it" instead of "copied".

VMWare Player has been very reliable for me. My VM files are even
running from an encrypted container (Veracrypt, NTFS)). And because
Veracrypt and VMWare Player (and NTFS) are available and well
supported with MX Linux, it was easy for me to switch from a Windows
host to a MX19 host.

Regards

M.

Andy Burns wrote:
Paul wrote:

My personal favorite is VirtualBox.

Has the incompatibility between Win10 sandbox and Virtualbox been sorted
out?

Am I using the Sandbox ? Yet ?

I'd test but I don't know what triggers that.

Knowing me, I might have unconsciously turned that off :-)

Paul

Paul wrote:

Am I using the Sandbox ? Yet ?

I'd test but I don't know what triggers that.

Knowing me, I might have unconsciously turned that off :-)

You have to enable it, but when I did, it installed som hyperv(?)
componenr and tat killed virtualbox, I'll try VB6.1

Ralph Fox wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 01:20:16 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 18:50:47 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:39:32 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I want to load and try some OSs mostly Linux, Which VM would be the
essayist to set up and use, Virtualbox or VMware Player?
This is strictly a time killer and not a must do thing.
I am running Windows 10, 1909
Thanks for all your suggestions.

I find VMware Player reasonably easy to set up and
install Linux in.

FYI on Windows 10 v.1909, you will need at least
version 15 of VMware Workstation Player.
I'm running multiple Win 10 1909 VMs on VMware Workstation 14 Pro.


You appear to say you are running multiple Win 10 1909 _guests_.

The OP wants to run multiple Linux guests on a Win 10 1909 _host_.

Win 10 (as _host_) last year blacklisted VMware Workstation 14 from running.
See this forum thread: https://communities.vmware.com/thread/619804
Also https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/07/windows_update_vmware_workstation/

Stuff like this happens, when some feature you will probably
never use, conflicts with an application, and the application
then gets bumped off. For all we know, perhaps that's the
Sandbox reference Andy made.

Considering the direction the feature set of a lot of
OSes is taking, I wouldn't be surprised to see all
VM hosting softwares get plopped into the nearest toilet.
Sandboxing, where the designers get greedy and "eat
available subsystems" for their own pleasure, means
end-users will be "sucking it" later (do their VMing
elsewhere). The problem being, that in some cases,
two virtualizing solutions cannot execute at the
same time.

Paul

"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

|I want to load and try some OSs mostly Linux, Which VM would be the
| essayist to set up and use, Virtualbox or VMware Player?
| This is strictly a time killer and not a must do thing.
| I am running Windows 10, 1909
| Thanks for all your suggestions.
|

I know you said VM but there are also other options.

1) Run it from a DVD. Some versions offer a bootable
disk version for experimenting.

2) Swappable hard disks. There used to be special
caddies for that, so you could just hot-swap between
booots. I don't know if those still exist. You could
also hand-switch them or install 2+ hard disks in the
machine. I just bought a 1 TB WD spinner for $35 to
use for backup, so storing Linux on its own hard disk
is not expensive.

3) Multi-boot. I've used BootIt for many years as a boot
manager, disk utility for partitioning, and disk image backup
tool. I've multi-booted with Suse and Mandrake/Mandriva
to experiment with Linux.

The only tricky part is that over the years both Windows
and Linux have become increasingly intrusive and parochial
about assuming the computer belongs to them. With Linux
I found that I had to be careful not to let the increasing
"convenience" overwrite Windows. Starting with Win7 the
Windows booter is very nosey and the boot partition should
be cleaned up if you want multiple systems on one hard disk.
I found it was easier to make a disk image of 7 and then
install that next to other systems.

If you don't mind one or the other system hijacking the
boot then that might work OK. But that's another place where
Windows gets obnoxious: It wants to be in charge but at the
same time MS have rigged it to pretend that "non-supported"
systems are not there.

David wrote:
On 16/01/2020 07:20, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 18:50:47 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:39:32 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I want to load and try some OSs mostly Linux, Which VM would be the
essayist to set up and use, Virtualbox or VMware Player?
This is strictly a time killer and not a must do thing.
I am running Windows 10, 1909
Thanks for all your suggestions.


I find VMware Player reasonably easy to set up and
install Linux in.

FYI on Windows 10 v.1909, you will need at least
version 15 of VMware Workstation Player.

I'm running multiple Win 10 1909 VMs on VMware Workstation 14 Pro.


*WHY*?

I've read that *CRIMINALS* do such things when engaged in *CYBERCRIME
ACTIVITIES*.

Best NOT to 'Blow your own horn', Jackson!

There's always someone watching.


Yes. And many of them can be jammed into the same police car.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Cops

https://images.fineartamerica.com/im...944--album.jpg

What size helmet do you wear, officer ?

*******

You do realize, Toby, that setting up multiple VMs and a virtual
LAN, is used for load generation testing and network arch design.
It avoids the need to keep 20 physical computers running, when
you can virtualize the whole lot, on a single big machine,
and not need a lot of table space, power wasting LCD monitors
and so on, to do your testing. The VMs talk to one another.
You can quietly set up complex test conditions, all without
getting out of your chair! One chair runs the whole lot.

I could do that here, but it's not my job to be doing
stuff like that. My days of network testing are over.
I was a "criminal" by testing networks, so others
could get their job done... Be careful not to paint
others too broadly with that big paint brush of yours.

Now, imagine if Char had *one* different email account in each VM.
Why, he'd be almost as bad as Winston :-/ Now
where did I put my big paint brush.

Paul