Rules about copies of XP?

What are the rules for installing XP Pro on multiple PCs?
1 - If you get a new PC, obviously you have to re-install. Do you get into
difficulties by "activating your system" more than once?
2 - I've been told that it's perfectly OK to install Windows on your home PC
and your laptop. Actually, I've been told that 3 installations is the legal
limit. Is this true?

Laurel;
1. You can install your retail Windows XP on the new computer as long as
you remove it from the first.
Activation should not be a problem.

2. You have been told wrong.
Some versions of Microsoft Office allow multiple installations but no
versions of retail Windows allow more than one installation at a time.

Read your specific EULA for details:
Start/Run
Type "winver" ENTER
Click "End-User..." to access the EULA.


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"Laurel" wrote in message
...
What are the rules for installing XP Pro on multiple PCs?
1 - If you get a new PC, obviously you have to re-install. Do you get
into
difficulties by "activating your system" more than once?
2 - I've been told that it's perfectly OK to install Windows on your home
PC
and your laptop. Actually, I've been told that 3 installations is the
legal
limit. Is this true?

How do I remove the OS from the first computer?

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Laurel;
1. You can install your retail Windows XP on the new computer as long as
you remove it from the first.
Activation should not be a problem.

2. You have been told wrong.
Some versions of Microsoft Office allow multiple installations but no
versions of retail Windows allow more than one installation at a time.

Read your specific EULA for details:
Start/Run
Type "winver" ENTER
Click "End-User..." to access the EULA.


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"Laurel" wrote in message
...
What are the rules for installing XP Pro on multiple PCs?
1 - If you get a new PC, obviously you have to re-install. Do you get
into
difficulties by "activating your system" more than once?
2 - I've been told that it's perfectly OK to install Windows on your
home
PC
and your laptop. Actually, I've been told that 3 installations is the
legal
limit. Is this true?

In ,
Laurel respectfully replied ;-)
How do I remove the OS from the first computer?


Format it.
Click on the link below, or copy and paste the link into the address box
if using the web based newsgroup.
How do I deactivate, move to another computer or sell a previously activated
XP?
#06 on the FAQ list
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Laurel;
1. You can install your retail Windows XP on the new computer as
long as you remove it from the first.
Activation should not be a problem.

2. You have been told wrong.
Some versions of Microsoft Office allow multiple installations but no
versions of retail Windows allow more than one installation at a
time.

Read your specific EULA for details:
Start/Run
Type "winver" ENTER
Click "End-User..." to access the EULA.


--
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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Laurel" wrote in message
...
What are the rules for installing XP Pro on multiple PCs?
1 - If you get a new PC, obviously you have to re-install. Do you
get into
difficulties by "activating your system" more than once?
2 - I've been told that it's perfectly OK to install Windows on
your home PC
and your laptop. Actually, I've been told that 3 installations is
the legal
limit. Is this true?

Thanks for the very helpful link. It did, however, leave me with a couple
of remaining questions. This article assumes that I have a "startup disk."
I have nothing. The PC was given to my granddaughter, but no disks of any
sort for the old operating system (XP home). The hard drive is partitioned
(C and D). XP/ME is installed on the C partition, and XP/Pro is installed
on the D partition. Since I don't want to revert to 95 or 98 (another
assumption the article seems to make), can I just right mouse on the C drive
(containing XP/ME) and click format? While logged onto XP/Pro, which lives
on the D drive, of course.

XP/ME is flakey, which is one reason for installing the new OS. I don't
know if there's an upgrade option from ME to Pro, but it didn't seem
advisable. For "flakiness" symptoms, see my other posting, "Content Advisor
is broken."


"Michael Stevens" wrote in message
...
In ,
Laurel respectfully replied ;-)
How do I remove the OS from the first computer?


Format it.
Click on the link below, or copy and paste the link into the address box
if using the web based newsgroup.
How do I deactivate, move to another computer or sell a previously
activated
XP?
#06 on the FAQ list
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Laurel;
1. You can install your retail Windows XP on the new computer as
long as you remove it from the first.
Activation should not be a problem.

2. You have been told wrong.
Some versions of Microsoft Office allow multiple installations but no
versions of retail Windows allow more than one installation at a
time.

Read your specific EULA for details:
Start/Run
Type "winver" ENTER
Click "End-User..." to access the EULA.


--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Laurel" wrote in message
...
What are the rules for installing XP Pro on multiple PCs?
1 - If you get a new PC, obviously you have to re-install. Do you
get into
difficulties by "activating your system" more than once?
2 - I've been told that it's perfectly OK to install Windows on
your home PC
and your laptop. Actually, I've been told that 3 installations is
the legal
limit. Is this true?

The XP install CD is the only start-up disk required. It is bootable.


"Laurel" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the very helpful link. It did, however, leave me with a couple
of remaining questions. This article assumes that I have a "startup
disk."
I have nothing. The PC was given to my granddaughter, but no disks of any
sort for the old operating system (XP home). The hard drive is partitioned
(C and D). XP/ME is installed on the C partition, and XP/Pro is installed
on the D partition. Since I don't want to revert to 95 or 98 (another
assumption the article seems to make), can I just right mouse on the C
drive
(containing XP/ME) and click format? While logged onto XP/Pro, which
lives
on the D drive, of course.

XP/ME is flakey, which is one reason for installing the new OS. I don't
know if there's an upgrade option from ME to Pro, but it didn't seem
advisable. For "flakiness" symptoms, see my other posting, "Content
Advisor
is broken."


"Michael Stevens" wrote in message
...
In ,
Laurel respectfully replied ;-)
How do I remove the OS from the first computer?


Format it.
Click on the link below, or copy and paste the link into the address box
if using the web based newsgroup.
How do I deactivate, move to another computer or sell a previously
activated
XP?
#06 on the FAQ list
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Laurel;
1. You can install your retail Windows XP on the new computer as
long as you remove it from the first.
Activation should not be a problem.

2. You have been told wrong.
Some versions of Microsoft Office allow multiple installations but no
versions of retail Windows allow more than one installation at a
time.

Read your specific EULA for details:
Start/Run
Type "winver" ENTER
Click "End-User..." to access the EULA.


--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Laurel" wrote in message
...
What are the rules for installing XP Pro on multiple PCs?
1 - If you get a new PC, obviously you have to re-install. Do you
get into
difficulties by "activating your system" more than once?
2 - I've been told that it's perfectly OK to install Windows on
your home PC
and your laptop. Actually, I've been told that 3 installations is
the legal
limit. Is this true?

In ,
Laurel respectfully replied ;-)
Thanks for the very helpful link. It did, however, leave me with a
couple of remaining questions. This article assumes that I have a
"startup disk." I have nothing. The PC was given to my
granddaughter, but no disks of any sort for the old operating system
(XP home). The hard drive is partitioned (C and D). XP/ME is
installed on the C partition, and XP/Pro is installed on the D
partition. Since I don't want to revert to 95 or 98 (another
assumption the article seems to make), can I just right mouse on the
C drive (containing XP/ME) and click format? While logged onto
XP/Pro, which lives on the D drive, of course.

XP/ME is flakey, which is one reason for installing the new OS. I
don't know if there's an upgrade option from ME to Pro, but it didn't
seem advisable. For "flakiness" symptoms, see my other posting,
"Content Advisor is broken."


There is a link to specialized boot disks on the removal link. it is right
at the top of the page.

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"Michael Stevens" wrote in message
...
In ,
Laurel respectfully replied ;-)
How do I remove the OS from the first computer?


Format it.
Click on the link below, or copy and paste the link into the address
box if using the web based newsgroup.
How do I deactivate, move to another computer or sell a previously
activated XP?
#06 on the FAQ list
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Laurel;
1. You can install your retail Windows XP on the new computer as
long as you remove it from the first.
Activation should not be a problem.

2. You have been told wrong.
Some versions of Microsoft Office allow multiple installations but
no versions of retail Windows allow more than one installation at a
time.

Read your specific EULA for details:
Start/Run
Type "winver" ENTER
Click "End-User..." to access the EULA.


--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Laurel" wrote in message
...
What are the rules for installing XP Pro on multiple PCs?
1 - If you get a new PC, obviously you have to re-install. Do you
get into
difficulties by "activating your system" more than once?
2 - I've been told that it's perfectly OK to install Windows on
your home PC
and your laptop. Actually, I've been told that 3 installations is
the legal
limit. Is this true?

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:21:55 -0500, "Laurel"
wrote:

I have nothing. The PC was given to my granddaughter, but no disks of any
sort for the old operating system (XP home).

No chance of getting the CD from whoever gave her the computer?

If not, well, you have, after all, now got a free computer, so why not
break down and buy a copy of XP Home? If you can show an older copy
of Windows (98, say) the upgrade version is not so expensive.
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Laurel wrote:
How do I remove the OS from the first computer?


What are you doing with the old computer? If you are keeping it, then
don't bother.

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What a stimulating discussion! I'm not sure which side is the most
convincing. But I'm so happy to be introduced to the complexities and
ambiguities of all of this.

I do think that something someone said in this thread, about treating people
like criminals has some merit. It just doesn't "feel" right to have to by
multiple copies of a program for your laptop and your home computer and your
kid's computer. On the other hand, it also doesn't "feel" right to lend
your copy to your neighbors and uncles and aunts. My experience is that
analyzing such feelings can be revelatory. If Microsoft "licensed" its
Windows OS for "family" or "household," use (as, apparently they could do as
easily as what they're doing now), then individuals might be less likely to
fall into the "big company be damned" mindset, where they lend their disk to
all and sundry. Telling MS that the new installation is only for household
use would usually be the truth, and hence the edge would be maintained, and
normally moral people would be less likely to lie about it for their friends
and relatives' sake.

Or something like that.

"kurttrail" wrote in message
...
Laurel wrote:
How do I remove the OS from the first computer?


What are you doing with the old computer? If you are keeping it, then
don't bother.

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Laurel wrote:
What a stimulating discussion! I'm not sure which side is the most
convincing. But I'm so happy to be introduced to the complexities and
ambiguities of all of this.

I do think that something someone said in this thread, about treating
people like criminals has some merit. It just doesn't "feel" right
to have to by multiple copies of a program for your laptop and your
home computer and your kid's computer. On the other hand, it also
doesn't "feel" right to lend your copy to your neighbors and uncles
and aunts.

It isn't right to share your copies with those outside of your
household. And it is clearly a violation of Copyright Law to distribute
copies of copyrighted material to others without the express permission
of the copyright owner.

However, back before everyone had access to the internet and could share
with the whole world, it wasn't much of a problem. People would make
tapes of their albums to give to their friends. People lent each other
books to read. Hell we have a gov't agency that's whole purpose is the
sharing of books, the Free Public Library. And book publishers are
still making money in spite of it.

Yes, file sharing has changed the calculus when it comes to sharing with
thousands and millions of people, and something needs to be done about
it. But that is much different than "fairly using" your copies of
copyrighted material for in your own home, or even that of the causal
infringement of sharing with a few friends and family.

My experience is that analyzing such feelings can be
revelatory. If Microsoft "licensed" its Windows OS for "family" or
"household," use (as, apparently they could do as easily as what
they're doing now), then individuals might be less likely to fall
into the "big company be damned" mindset, where they lend their disk
to all and sundry.

Ah yes! Unfortunately that would be long-term thinking, and the
corporations of today are notoriously short-sighted, and can't see what
is in their best interests in the long run, because their stock holders
want to know how they are increasing revenues and reducing costs today,
and over the next quarter, not over the long haul. Emerging markets for
MS's OS are few and far between as compared to just six or seven years
ago, so in order to show a means for continuing revenue growth in the
short-term, MS needs to squeeze every red cent it can out of the
existing markets for its OS.

Telling MS that the new installation is only for
household use would usually be the truth, and hence the edge would be
maintained, and normally moral people would be less likely to lie
about it for their friends and relatives' sake.

Or something like that.

I wholeheartedly agree that would be great. I would even have less of a
problem with PA if MS did that. Tie the OS to the person and their
household, and not any specific computer. That would have been a much
better way to introduce copy-protection into its OS, and side-stepping
the natural ire of consumers over it. I wish you were running MS when
they instituted PA!

Wow! Reading your post really warmed my heart. Thank you.

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Apparently, _Laurel_, on 04/03/05 12:17,typed:
What a stimulating discussion! I'm not sure which side is the most
convincing. But I'm so happy to be introduced to the complexities and
ambiguities of all of this.

I do think that something someone said in this thread, about treating people
like criminals has some merit. It just doesn't "feel" right to have to by
multiple copies of a program for your laptop and your home computer and your
kid's computer. On the other hand, it also doesn't "feel" right to lend
your copy to your neighbors and uncles and aunts. My experience is that
analyzing such feelings can be revelatory. If Microsoft "licensed" its
Windows OS for "family" or "household," use (as, apparently they could do as
easily as what they're doing now), then individuals might be less likely to
fall into the "big company be damned" mindset, where they lend their disk to
all and sundry. Telling MS that the new installation is only for household
use would usually be the truth, and hence the edge would be maintained, and
normally moral people would be less likely to lie about it for their friends
and relatives' sake.


Yup!! You have hit the nail right on it's head. A typical family
shouldn't be compared to a corporation/company. It is quite different
making a company buy licences for each of their Windows OS installations
(and make money out of that) from allowing a family install the OS on 2
or 3 home PCs and a couple of laptops. A typical family usage of Windows
OS is not just for raking in money like a company. All this basically
means MS need to make their EULA more reasonable. And, they are going to
win people's trust and support. Profit and customer's trust and support,
what more does a company want?

Sam.


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Laurel;
It would be nice if Microsoft allowed a single purchase to be installed on
multiple computers in a household.
But that is not what the EULA says.
As with any product purchased, we have a choice and if the terms are not
acceptable we do not buy.

"...where they lend their disk to all and sundry."
The same for any product.
Pick a product, any product you want.
What would happen to theft of that product if the manufacturers gave it to
everyone who wanted their product?
Is that a reason to force that business to give their product away or even
lower their price?
After all theft of that product would most likely go down.

It is easy to justify ourselves because we feel the price is high or the
terms are not as we would like.
But that does not change the agreement.
If the price does not justify upgrading multiple computers, then perhaps
some computers should not be upgraded at this time.
Ignoring an agreement is not a good option.

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"Laurel" wrote in message
...
What a stimulating discussion! I'm not sure which side is the most
convincing. But I'm so happy to be introduced to the complexities and
ambiguities of all of this.

I do think that something someone said in this thread, about treating
people
like criminals has some merit. It just doesn't "feel" right to have to by
multiple copies of a program for your laptop and your home computer and
your
kid's computer. On the other hand, it also doesn't "feel" right to lend
your copy to your neighbors and uncles and aunts. My experience is that
analyzing such feelings can be revelatory. If Microsoft "licensed" its
Windows OS for "family" or "household," use (as, apparently they could do
as
easily as what they're doing now), then individuals might be less likely
to
fall into the "big company be damned" mindset, where they lend their disk
to
all and sundry. Telling MS that the new installation is only for
household
use would usually be the truth, and hence the edge would be maintained,
and
normally moral people would be less likely to lie about it for their
friends
and relatives' sake.

Or something like that.

Laurel wrote:
What are the rules for installing XP Pro on multiple PCs?

MS's "rules," or those of reality?

1 - If you get a new PC, obviously you have to re-install. Do you
get into difficulties by "activating your system" more than once?

Not really. If it has been over 120 days since you last activated that
copy, then activation should go smoothly over the internet just like the
first time you activated XP, and if it has been less than 120 days, then
you'll have to phone MS to get activated. If asked why you are
activating, just tell the phone rep that you've upgrade YOUR computer.

2 - I've been told that it's perfectly OK to install Windows on your
home PC and your laptop. Actually, I've been told that 3
installations is the legal limit. Is this true?

There is no "legal limit." There is just the limits MS tries to impose
in the privacy of your home, and the limit of reality. MS's legally
unsubstantiated EULA claim is that they only allow installation of XP on
one computer. The limit of reality is that you can get away with
installing it on ALL of YOUR PCs. Through activation, MS cannot
determine what specific computer or computer components XP is installed
on, so unless you actually tell MS that XP is installed on more than one
computer, they have no way of knowing.

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Perhaps integrity and following the EULA already agreed has some meaning.
"reality"?
The "MS's "rules,"" as you put it became part of "reality" once an agreement
is accepted.
Is following an agreement not reality?
Is it to difficult for you to follow and agreement you have accepted?

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"kurttrail" wrote in message
MS's "rules," or those of reality?
SNIPPED mot of the garbage.

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