Stop DVD drive reading? DVD bitstream copier?

On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 19:53:04 -0400, pjp wrote:

In article , not-
lid says...

On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:33:51 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 03:19:02 +0000, John wrote:

Wash the disk. Use warm, not hot, soapy water and a very, very soft
cloth, not tissue. Dry the disk with something lint free.

Rub radially, not sagitally...

If you add a scratch sagitally, it affects a lot of the error correction
info pertaining to a single record, whereas a radial scratch doesn't do
that.

I outsmarted myself...

Replace "sagitally" by "tangentially" in the above.

Sagittal is a synonym of radial :-)

Also, sagitally should have two t's.

Time to shut down and go watch the Oscars. Not really - they aren't due
for another hour or two - but my brain is due for an update right now.

I'd suggest that "pulp" ain't going to improve mental abilities at all


But *escape* might :-)

Some of it was really interesting - but I learned that the 90 minute Red
Carpet thing (with silly interviews with arriving guests and other
similar crap^h^h^h^h stuff) was of limited utility.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

In article ,
says...

In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 01:41:57 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Was the DVD finalized at the end of the recording process?

No; the disc played up just before I'd filled it.

I can't figure out what that means.

I tended to add to discs until they were full, or nearly so, then
finalise them. This one was fine (inasmuch as I could - on the original
recorder, of course - play the tracks I'd already recorded, which I did
several times). Until just before I was about to finalise it (or, during
finalisation, I can't remember - but I think I hadn't got to that
point), at which point the original recorder declared the disc was dud
(or tended to lock up, I can't remember).

Can you put it in the original recorder and try to finalize it?

Unfortunately, the original recorder died too.

I was (obviously) afraid of that.

The reason I asked is that for some reason, it seems (at east in my
experience) that the only place where you can finalize a CD or DVD is in
the drive that created it.

Certainly, most of the ones I've had have claimed that that is the case;
I never tried to close one in another recorder. At least one if not all
do let you take an unclosed disc out and return it later so you can do
further things with it (such as close it), so I'm _assuming_ the
information about what's been recorded so far is placed on the disc
somewhere.

I'd assumed there must be large parts of the disc that are _not_
corrupted; however, this doesn't seem to be the case.

I instead have never in my memory NOT finlaized a disk after burning. I
have some folders setup just to "hold" things until they fill a disk.
More often than not some files are left to start next disk. Mind you,
for me that means days and not weeks or months before another burn
required.

As best I can tell even the first cds I burned are still readable. Wish
I could say the same for all the old floppies I have saved in a box
downstairs. Same with a couple of boxes of reel-to-reel tape I have
(recorder still works).

I know optical disk have a "life". I assume they'll all be put thru a
player someday to be copied onto some "new" medi9a.

In article , lid
says...

On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 19:53:04 -0400, pjp wrote:

In article , not-
lid says...

On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:33:51 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 03:19:02 +0000, John wrote:

Wash the disk. Use warm, not hot, soapy water and a very, very soft
cloth, not tissue. Dry the disk with something lint free.

Rub radially, not sagitally...

If you add a scratch sagitally, it affects a lot of the error correction
info pertaining to a single record, whereas a radial scratch doesn't do
that.

I outsmarted myself...

Replace "sagitally" by "tangentially" in the above.

Sagittal is a synonym of radial :-)

Also, sagitally should have two t's.

Time to shut down and go watch the Oscars. Not really - they aren't due
for another hour or two - but my brain is due for an update right now.

I'd suggest that "pulp" ain't going to improve mental abilities at all


But *escape* might :-)

Some of it was really interesting - but I learned that the 90 minute Red
Carpet thing (with silly interviews with arriving guests and other
similar crap^h^h^h^h stuff) was of limited utility.

I happened to catch just one award (distratced while flipping). It was
for best sondtrack song. Couldn't care less as the movies didn't
interest me at all.

On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:45:48 -0400, pjp wrote:

In article , lid
says...

On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 19:53:04 -0400, pjp wrote:

In article , not-
lid says...

On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:33:51 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 03:19:02 +0000, John wrote:

Wash the disk. Use warm, not hot, soapy water and a very, very soft
cloth, not tissue. Dry the disk with something lint free.

Rub radially, not sagitally...

If you add a scratch sagitally, it affects a lot of the error correction
info pertaining to a single record, whereas a radial scratch doesn't do
that.

I outsmarted myself...

Replace "sagitally" by "tangentially" in the above.

Sagittal is a synonym of radial :-)

Also, sagitally should have two t's.

Time to shut down and go watch the Oscars. Not really - they aren't due
for another hour or two - but my brain is due for an update right now.

I'd suggest that "pulp" ain't going to improve mental abilities at all


But *escape* might :-)

Some of it was really interesting - but I learned that the 90 minute Red
Carpet thing (with silly interviews with arriving guests and other
similar crap^h^h^h^h stuff) was of limited utility.

I happened to catch just one award (distratced while flipping). It was
for best sondtrack song. Couldn't care less as the movies didn't
interest me at all.

I didn't know that it was necessary to care about the movies :-)

It would be hard for me to explain why I watch. Maybe the ceremony,maybe
the interesting reactions and remarks of some of the people who get
awards, maybe it's the popcorn. Actually, we didn't have popcorn :-)

It was *not* for the host this year :-(

We have not seen any of the movies, and most likely we won't be seeing
many of them.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:46:09 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
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several times). Until just before I was about to finalise it (or, during
finalisation, I can't remember - but I think I hadn't got to that
point), at which point the original recorder declared the disc was dud
(or tended to lock up, I can't remember).

OK, I now realize that you left out a word: "up *until* just before...".

Typos happen, but you shouldn't make a typo when your reader is as
obtuse as I was :-)

No typo; I think this is one of the differences between American and
British English. We tend to use the little words - "up" in particular -
less (my favourite example being that where you'd meet UP WITH someone,
I'd just meet someone). Out of curiosity, what had you thought I meant
by the sentence without the "up" in it?
[]
I never tried to close one in another recorder. At least one if not all
do let you take an unclosed disc out and return it later so you can do
further things with it (such as close it),

That is by design.

so I'm _assuming_ the
information about what's been recorded so far is placed on the disc
somewhere.

Else even the original recorder couldn't play it or finalize it.

Well, it could if it allocated a serial number to each disc (including
recording it on the disc, so it could be recognised) and kept the
information locally (on the local hard disc, in memory, whatever). But
the information being stored on the disc does seem much more sensible!

I'd assumed there must be large parts of the disc that are _not_
corrupted; however, this doesn't seem to be the case.

It's hard to read a file system without some guidance. One bit well[1]
placed could conceivably kill a disk.

[1] I guess I mean *badly* placed :-)

Oh, I agree about the index; I was just thinking at the fundamental
level, seeing the disc as one continuous spiral (and then after the
error-correction).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Our sun is one of 100 billion stars in our galaxy. Our galaxy is one of the
billions of galaxies populating the universe. It would be the height of
presumption to think that we are the only living things within that enormous
immensity. -Wernher von Braun, rocket engineer (1912-1977)

In message , pjp
writes:
[]
I instead have never in my memory NOT finlaized a disk after burning. I

I think you're talking about a burning you do all in one go. I was
adding (camera output) to the disc, from time to time over several days,
until it was full, intending to finalise then.

have some folders setup just to "hold" things until they fill a disk.

Remember, this was in a stand-alone video recorder; I didn't necessarily
have a computer at hand there.
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Sometimes I believe we made up god just to have someone to blame for our
mistakes - "Sarah Sidle" (Jorja Fox), CSI

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:54:02 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:


No typo; I think this is one of the differences between American and
British English. We tend to use the little words - "up" in particular -
less (my favourite example being that where you'd meet UP WITH someone,
I'd just meet someone).


We're all different, both Americans and Brits. I'm not sure why you
think your favourite [sic g] example represents all Americans, but
speaking for myself, I would never say "meet *up* with." Like you, I
would simply say "meet."

In article ,
says...

In message , pjp
writes:
[]
I instead have never in my memory NOT finlaized a disk after burning. I

I think you're talking about a burning you do all in one go. I was
adding (camera output) to the disc, from time to time over several days,
until it was full, intending to finalise then.

have some folders setup just to "hold" things until they fill a disk.

Remember, this was in a stand-alone video recorder; I didn't necessarily
have a computer at hand there.
[]

Oops, sorry, yes I sometimes do partial records using my hardware dvd
recorder. I only finalize "that" disk when capacity reached and I want
to use it in another device, otherwise disk stays readable in original
recorder even unfinalized (as expected).

I have had to do "something" one time with a disk was somewhat odd. If I
remember correctly, I couldn't erase a RW disk recorded on the hardware
player on a pc, I had to erase it with the hardware player. Afterwards
it was ok on either player or pc.

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:54:02 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

several times). Until just before I was about to finalise it (or, during
finalisation, I can't remember - but I think I hadn't got to that
point), at which point the original recorder declared the disc was dud
(or tended to lock up, I can't remember).

OK, I now realize that you left out a word: "up *until* just before...".

Typos happen, but you shouldn't make a typo when your reader is as
obtuse as I was :-)

No typo; I think this is one of the differences between American and
British English. We tend to use the little words - "up" in particular -
less (my favourite example being that where you'd meet UP WITH someone,
I'd just meet someone). Out of curiosity, what had you thought I meant
by the sentence without the "up" in it?

No - the missing word was "until".

You said
"No; the disc played up just before I'd filled it".

I couldn't figure out what you meant by "played up".

In your sentence, "up" seems to modify "played", whereas "up until"
seems to modify "just before I filled it".

Like this:

1. "the disc played up | just before I'd filled it"

2. "the disc played | up until just before I'd filled it"

BTW, to me sentence 2 is equivalent to

"the disc played until just before I'd filled it"

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:59:54 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , pjp
writes:
[]
I instead have never in my memory NOT finlaized a disk after burning. I

I think you're talking about a burning you do all in one go. I was
adding (camera output) to the disc, from time to time over several days,
until it was full, intending to finalise then.

Which is a perfectly legitimate way to do it, IMO.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

In message , "Ken Blake,
MVP" writes
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:54:02 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:


No typo; I think this is one of the differences between American and
British English. We tend to use the little words - "up" in particular -
less (my favourite example being that where you'd meet UP WITH someone,
I'd just meet someone).


We're all different, both Americans and Brits. I'm not sure why you
think your favourite [sic g] example represents all Americans, but
speaking for myself, I would never say "meet *up* with." Like you, I
would simply say "meet."

"Meet up with" with is not uncommon In BrE, It often (but not
necessarily) suggests a planned meeting, or that some time was spent in
the company of the person(s) met. Note that "meet with" is essentially
imported AmE, but is more acceptable when the context is to "have a
meeting with".



--
Ian

In message , "Ken Blake,
MVP" writes:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:54:02 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:


No typo; I think this is one of the differences between American and
British English. We tend to use the little words - "up" in particular -
less (my favourite example being that where you'd meet UP WITH someone,
I'd just meet someone).


We're all different, both Americans and Brits. I'm not sure why you
think your favourite [sic g] example represents all Americans, but
speaking for myself, I would never say "meet *up* with." Like you, I
would simply say "meet."

I'm delighted to hear it. I'm still curious to know what Gene thought
"Until just before I was about to finalise it" meant, _without_ the
"up". He wrote as if the meaning was confusing him.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

TV and radio presenters are just like many people, except they tend to wear
make-up all the time. Especially the radio presenters. - Eddie Mair, in Radio
Times 25-31 August 2012

In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:54:02 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

several times). Until just before I was about to finalise it (or, during
finalisation, I can't remember - but I think I hadn't got to that
point), at which point the original recorder declared the disc was dud
(or tended to lock up, I can't remember).

OK, I now realize that you left out a word: "up *until* just before...".

Typos happen, but you shouldn't make a typo when your reader is as
obtuse as I was :-)

No typo; I think this is one of the differences between American and
British English. We tend to use the little words - "up" in particular -
less (my favourite example being that where you'd meet UP WITH someone,
I'd just meet someone). Out of curiosity, what had you thought I meant
by the sentence without the "up" in it?

No - the missing word was "until".

You said
"No; the disc played up just before I'd filled it".

I couldn't figure out what you meant by "played up".

In your sentence, "up" seems to modify "played", whereas "up until"
seems to modify "just before I filled it".

Aha! All becomes clear. "Played up" is a more colloquial form of
"malfunctioned". "It's playing up" == "it's misbehaving". The "until"
was a red herring! I shouldn't have used "played up".

Like this:

1. "the disc played up | just before I'd filled it"

2. "the disc played | up until just before I'd filled it"

BTW, to me sentence 2 is equivalent to

"the disc played until just before I'd filled it"

Agreed. It was 1 I meant!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Our enemies are inventive and resourceful. And so are we. They never stop
thinking of ways to harm out country and our people. And neither do we. -
George
W Bush, quoted by Rory Bremner in Radio Times, 10-16 January 2009

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 20:45:20 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:54:02 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

several times). Until just before I was about to finalise it (or, during
finalisation, I can't remember - but I think I hadn't got to that
point), at which point the original recorder declared the disc was dud
(or tended to lock up, I can't remember).

OK, I now realize that you left out a word: "up *until* just before...".

Typos happen, but you shouldn't make a typo when your reader is as
obtuse as I was :-)

No typo; I think this is one of the differences between American and
British English. We tend to use the little words - "up" in particular -
less (my favourite example being that where you'd meet UP WITH someone,
I'd just meet someone). Out of curiosity, what had you thought I meant
by the sentence without the "up" in it?

No - the missing word was "until".

You said
"No; the disc played up just before I'd filled it".

I couldn't figure out what you meant by "played up".

In your sentence, "up" seems to modify "played", whereas "up until"
seems to modify "just before I filled it".

Aha! All becomes clear. "Played up" is a more colloquial form of
"malfunctioned". "It's playing up" == "it's misbehaving". The "until"
was a red herring! I shouldn't have used "played up".

Like this:

1. "the disc played up | just before I'd filled it"

2. "the disc played | up until just before I'd filled it"

BTW, to me sentence 2 is equivalent to

"the disc played until just before I'd filled it"

Agreed. It was 1 I meant!

Thanks for the language lesson. If "played up" as you defined it has
crossed the Atlantic, it still hadn't gotten all the way to my brain :-)

So my adding of "until" was in fact wrong, and I really did fail to
understand "played up", thanks to a language difference.

Somehow, though, I can't find your use of it blameworthy[1] in any way.
You couldn't & shouldn't be held responsible for knowing all the
differences between our respective versions of the language.

[1] I.e., where you said you shouldn't have used it.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)