I need to clone my hard drive, Help Please

My hard drive C:, is starting to make a steady whirring noise
Sounds like snoring.
Grrrr, Grrrr, etc etc.

I think it would be prudent to change it out before it stops making any
noise. :-)

But I've got lots of files, programs, utilities set up just the way I want.

How do I clone it so I can take the old C: out and slip in the new one.

It is a registered, paid for, version of win xp with sp2. And this computer
is normally on 24/7.
I'd like to make this as painless as possible.


Please and thank you.


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Bill H. in Chicagoland

Hi Firebrick,

I just did this recently myself. It was pretty simple. :-)
You'll need a 3rd party software program such as Norton Ghost.
Also, if your current hard drive had software that came with it, you
may be able to use that as well. At any rate, the new hard will have
a set up disk and instructions on how to clone the old to the new.

Good luck!
Newtechie


"FireBrick" wrote in message
...
My hard drive C:, is starting to make a steady whirring noise
Sounds like snoring.
Grrrr, Grrrr, etc etc.

I think it would be prudent to change it out before it stops making any
noise. :-)

But I've got lots of files, programs, utilities set up just the way I
want.

How do I clone it so I can take the old C: out and slip in the new one.

It is a registered, paid for, version of win xp with sp2. And this
computer
is normally on 24/7.
I'd like to make this as painless as possible.


Please and thank you.


--


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Lottery: A tax on people who don't understand statistics.
-----------------------------------------------------

Bill H. in Chicagoland

"FireBrick" wrote in message
...
My hard drive C:, is starting to make a steady whirring noise
Sounds like snoring.
Grrrr, Grrrr, etc etc.

I think it would be prudent to change it out before it stops making any
noise. :-)

But I've got lots of files, programs, utilities set up just the way I
want.

How do I clone it so I can take the old C: out and slip in the new one.

It is a registered, paid for, version of win xp with sp2. And this
computer
is normally on 24/7.
I'd like to make this as painless as possible.


Please and thank you.


--


-----------------------------------------------------
Lottery: A tax on people who don't understand statistics.
-----------------------------------------------------

Bill H. in Chicagoland




Get DrvClonerXP from
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...ClonerXP.shtml

I just cloned my Windows XP boot partition(3.5GB) to a bigger(and faster)
hard disk and it took just 15 minutes. After cloning, I can tell no
difference between the old and new hard disks(except a small increase in
speed). Also, very easy to use.

You may get a disk cloning utility with the new hard drive and you should be
able to download it from the manufacturer's web site.


"FireBrick" wrote in message
...
My hard drive C:, is starting to make a steady whirring noise
Sounds like snoring.
Grrrr, Grrrr, etc etc.

I think it would be prudent to change it out before it stops making any
noise. :-)

But I've got lots of files, programs, utilities set up just the way I
want.

How do I clone it so I can take the old C: out and slip in the new one.

It is a registered, paid for, version of win xp with sp2. And this
computer
is normally on 24/7.
I'd like to make this as painless as possible.


Please and thank you.


--


-----------------------------------------------------
Lottery: A tax on people who don't understand statistics.
-----------------------------------------------------

Bill H. in Chicagoland

"Abhilash Tibrewal(MCSA)" wrote:
Get DrvClonerXP from
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...ClonerXP.shtml

I just cloned my Windows XP boot partition(3.5GB) to a bigger
(and faster) hard disk and it took just 15 minutes. After cloning,
I can tell no difference between the old and new hard disks
(except a small increase in speed). Also, very easy to use.


It's also downloadable from:
http://www.sofotex.com/DrvClonerXP-download_L7530.html

Another free cloning utility is xxClone, a simplified version
of the well-reputed xxCopy. See: http://www.xxClone.com/

In all cloning ops for WinNT/2K/XP, remember to have the clone
OS start up for the 1st time in isolation from the "parent" OS.
If you don't, it will become dependent on the continued presence
of the "parent" OS. Once the 1st startup of the clone is done,
subsequent startups can include the presence of the "parent" OS.
The easiest way to accomplish this isolation is to merely
disconnect the power cable from the "parent's" HD during the
1st startup of the clone.

*TimDaniels*

It worked .... partly.
As long as it was the D drive, It showed and looked like an exact copy.

But when I put the jumper onto Cable Select, and removed the old C drive, it
would not boot fully.
And once when I did a reset and got the message saying it needed to check
the disk for errors, the top line still showed it to be D:

I expected the process to change the drive letter and wonder if that is why
it won't boot as the startup programs still have C: in their properties.


"Abhilash Tibrewal(MCSA)" abhionnetATnospamsify.com wrote in message
...

"FireBrick" wrote in message
...
My hard drive C:, is starting to make a steady whirring noise
Sounds like snoring.
Grrrr, Grrrr, etc etc.

I think it would be prudent to change it out before it stops making any
noise. :-)

But I've got lots of files, programs, utilities set up just the way I
want.

How do I clone it so I can take the old C: out and slip in the new one.

It is a registered, paid for, version of win xp with sp2. And this
computer
is normally on 24/7.
I'd like to make this as painless as possible.


Please and thank you.


--


-----------------------------------------------------
Lottery: A tax on people who don't understand statistics.
-----------------------------------------------------

Bill H. in Chicagoland




Get DrvClonerXP from
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...ClonerXP.shtml

I just cloned my Windows XP boot partition(3.5GB) to a bigger(and faster)
hard disk and it took just 15 minutes. After cloning, I can tell no
difference between the old and new hard disks(except a small increase in
speed). Also, very easy to use.

It worked .... partly.
As long as it was the D drive, It showed and looked like an exact copy.

But when I put the jumper onto Cable Select, and removed the old C drive, it
would not boot fully.
And once when I did a reset and got the message saying it needed to check
the disk for errors, the top line still showed it to be D:

I expected the process to change the drive letter and wonder if that is why
it won't boot as the startup programs still have C: in their properties.


"Abhilash Tibrewal(MCSA)" abhionnetATnospamsify.com wrote in message
...

"FireBrick" wrote in message
...
My hard drive C:, is starting to make a steady whirring noise
Sounds like snoring.
Grrrr, Grrrr, etc etc.

I think it would be prudent to change it out before it stops making any
noise. :-)

But I've got lots of files, programs, utilities set up just the way I
want.

How do I clone it so I can take the old C: out and slip in the new one.

It is a registered, paid for, version of win xp with sp2. And this
computer
is normally on 24/7.
I'd like to make this as painless as possible.


Please and thank you.


--


-----------------------------------------------------
Lottery: A tax on people who don't understand statistics.
-----------------------------------------------------

Bill H. in Chicagoland




Get DrvClonerXP from
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...ClonerXP.shtml

I just cloned my Windows XP boot partition(3.5GB) to a bigger(and faster)
hard disk and it took just 15 minutes. After cloning, I can tell no
difference between the old and new hard disks(except a small increase in
speed). Also, very easy to use.

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:08:40 -0600, "FireBrick"
wrote:

It worked .... partly.
As long as it was the D drive, It showed and looked like an exact copy.

But when I put the jumper onto Cable Select, and removed the old C drive, it
would not boot fully.

If you change it to CS, you've got to put it on the end of that cable.


Have a nice one...

Trent

Budweiser: Helping ugly people have sex since 1876!

"Trent©" wrote:
But when I put the jumper onto Cable Select, and removed the old C drive, it
would not boot fully.

If you change it to CS, you've got to put it on the end of that cable.


Why?

*TimDaniels*

CS stands for Cable Select. The location of the drive on the cable
determines whether it is the Master or Slave.

Using CS the drive on the end of the cable is the Master (boot drive), and
the drive in the middle is the Slave drive.

r.

"Timothy Daniels" wrote in message
...
"Trent©" wrote:
But when I put the jumper onto Cable Select, and removed the old C drive,
it
would not boot fully.

If you change it to CS, you've got to put it on the end of that cable.


Why?

*TimDaniels*

"namniar" wrote:
"Timothy Daniels" wrote:
"Trent©" wrote:
But when I put the jumper onto Cable Select, and removed
the old C drive, it would not boot fully.

If you change it to CS, you've got to put it on the end of that cable.

Why?

CS stands for Cable Select. The location of the drive on the cable determines whether it is the Master or Slave.

Using CS the drive on the end of the cable is the Master (boot drive),
and the drive in the middle is the Slave drive.


And why must the boot drive be Master?
(Hint: It doesn't have to be a Master to boot.)

And why must an only drive be at the end of the cable?
(Hint: With modern controllers and hard drives, it doesn't.)

*TimDaniels*

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:03:35 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
wrote:

"namniar" wrote:
"Timothy Daniels" wrote:
"Trent©" wrote:
But when I put the jumper onto Cable Select, and removed
the old C drive, it would not boot fully.

If you change it to CS, you've got to put it on the end of that cable.

Why?

CS stands for Cable Select. The location of the drive on the cable determines whether it is the Master or Slave.

Using CS the drive on the end of the cable is the Master (boot drive),
and the drive in the middle is the Slave drive.


And why must the boot drive be Master?
(Hint: It doesn't have to be a Master to boot.)

Am I missing something here? Isn't the normal configuration for the
boot sector the master on the primary?

And why must an only drive be at the end of the cable?
(Hint: With modern controllers and hard drives, it doesn't.)

Define 'modern'? And how does the OP's computer relate to this?


Have a nice one...

Trent

Budweiser: Helping ugly people have sex since 1876!

"And why must an only drive be at the end of the cable?
(Hint: With modern controllers and hard drives, it doesn't.)"

now I maybe wrong, but I believe that even with "modern controllers and hard
drives" the cable position still matters......



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"Trent©" wrote:
Am I missing something here? Isn't the normal configuration
for the boot sector the master on the primary?


Yes, you're missing something. All that is necessary for
a bootable hard drive to boot is that it be at the head of the
hard drive boot order and that the boot files (i.e. boot.ini,
ntldr, ntdetect.com) be in the "active" partition on that hard
drive, and that the boot.ini file in that "active" partition have
at least one option that selects a primary partition (that may
even be on another hard drive) that contains the OS. If these
conditions are met, a Slave hard drive can be selected as the
"boot drive", and that "boot drive's" boot.ini file can select a
partition on another hard drive from which to load the OS.

If this sounds strange, it's only because the default and
*usual* conditions include just one hard drive with one
partition on it, and that partition usually contains the OS,
and people like the sound of "Master" more than "Slave".

Using my own computer, I have tried booting an OS from
a hard drive jumpered "Master" and located at the middle
connector of a dual-device IDE cable. I have also booted
the same hard drive jumpered as "Slave" when it was
located at the end connector. The Master/Slave setting
does only two things:

1) It differentiates the two drives on a single cable for
the controller. (If there is only one drive on a cable,
"Master" and "Slave" are meaningless.)

2) It sets the initial (default) boot order, with the "Master"
hard drive ahead of the "Slave" hard drive, and those
hard drives on the Primary channel ahead of those on
the Secondary channel. If this boot order is not reset
by the user, it continues to determine which hard drive
will be the one that the boot manager consults to select
the partition to load the OS from. But the user can reset
the boot order to be whatever he/she desires, and the
"Master" and "Slave" settings thereafter are only useful
to distinguish 2 devices which may be on the same
cable (i.e. same channel), and Primary and Secondary
are only useful to the controller to distinguish channels.


And why must an only drive be at the end of the cable?
(Hint: With modern controllers and hard drives, it doesn't.)

Define 'modern'? And how does the OP's computer relate to this?


The ATA specs include a cable with well-defined lengths, including
the lengths between all 3 connectors. This was to avoid problems of
signal reflections in the cables interfering with the data and confusing
the controller. But although data speeds have changed, those defined
lengths haven't. Why not? The probable reason is that the electronic
circuitry has gotten sophisticated enough to sort out data from the
reflections, and the result is that lone devices no longer have to be put
at the end connector to avoid the reflections coming back from the
open circuit there that results if there is no end device to absorb the
signal. But does a lone hard drive at the middle connector work?
Well, it worked for me when I tried it. How recent a vintage must a
hard drive be to be considered "modern" in this respect. Probably
if it has a data rate of 100MB/s or 133MB/s, its electronics (and that
of the controller) can handle the reflections. Remember that the specs
for the cable lengths were designed when hard drive data speeds were
33MB/s, and the reflection timing then was considerably different from
what they are now. Yet, the dimensions of the cable remain the same.

*TimDaniels*

"EasyFeelings" wrote:
now I maybe wrong, but I believe that even with "modern controllers
and hard drives" the cable position still matters......


First read my reply to Trent. Then test it.

*TimDaniels*