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  #46  
Old December 5th 07, 02:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
Daave
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Agreed. I felt your frustration! And I agree it's time to put this one
to rest, too.

"David B." wrote in message
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Good job deciphering Daave, all I originally wanted to do was get
people to realize WHAT the default page file setting was, and it
snowballed. I think it's time to put this one to rest.

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"Daave" wrote in message
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LOL

Now it looks like I'm adding to the confusion.

I'll correct my previous post... I left something out...

(see below)


Daave wrote:
I've been following this thread from the beginning and not only does
it all make sense to me, I can see why there's some confusion.

Hudster, David B., Leonard, and you are talking about different, yet
related things.

Hudster asked his initial question, wanting to know if XP will
recognize the extra RAM he planned on installing.

You correctly responded yes:

"No manual adjustments required. If the system recognizes the new
RAM
it is automatic."

David B. added:

"Except for the swapfile, it will be set for the pre upgrade amount
of
RAM"

What he clearly meant was (here's my paraphrase):

"Yes, the system will automatically recognize the new RAM. However,
if
Virtual Memory hadn't been changed to System Managed (which is often
recommended by many techs, especially for people who like to "set it
and forget it") and instead has its original default settings, then
it's possible that those settings may eventually lead to error
messages. True, a lot of the time, it won't matter, but it can and
has happened. Granted, it's more likely if someone is upgrading from
128 MB, which is quite rare these days. Still, it can and has
happened."

Gerry, you really latched on to David's statement. His "it" is not
referencing your "it." Your "it" is the system. His "it" is the
pagefile. It seems like you perceived he was disagreeing with you.
He
wasn't. He was adding information.

Then later, Leonard challenged him. Leonard said that:

"The correct setting for the page file is almost always 'system
managed size' and that's where you should have it."


My mistake.

For some reason, when I pasted the above, I had the following on the
brain (also said by Leonard):

"XP by default is set to system managed size."

That would have been the challenge. But Leonard hadn't said it yet!
(But
by the time he did, *that* is what the debate was really about. At
least
that's what I noticed more than anything else. Leonard was wrong. And
David B. wanted to point out the mistake.)

So going back, what Leonard said was more like a non sequitur. After
David B. made his remark that sometimes Virtual Memory settings need
to
be changed after the installation of memory (in instances when Let
System Manage had *not* been chosen), Leonard said:

"The correct setting for the page file is almost always 'system
managed
size' and that's where you should have it."

This was a non sequitur and also happened to be something David B.
agreed with! Perhaps David B. used a tone. But perhaps he didn't. And
in
Usenet, it's easy to assume there was a tone when there wasn't. So
maybe
you (and maybe Leonard) thought David B. was being snarky when he
replied:

"Umm, that's what I said, XP by default is set to a fixed size."

And then the thread devolved into its current mess!

Distilled:

Both Leonard and David B. think it's good to let the system manage
VM.

Leonard mistakenly said that by default XP lets the system manage VM.

That was the point that David B. disagreed with (correctly).

Leonard was under the impression that they both believed the same
thing:
that it is *good* to let the system manage VM. While that may be
true,
he didn't realize he had made a wrong statement and just saw the
disagreement as one over semantics. But it really wasn't. But it's
easy
to get lost and think that it's a pointless debate anyway.

Okay, I'm done now. Good night!


This is incorrect. David B. pointed that out. Leonard never admitted
he was in error and wanted to agree to disagree.

But David B. was correct. Leonard was wrong. And David B. correctly
pointed out that Leonard was:

"posting incorrect information."

Then you chimed in, answering Lil' Dave's post, stating that David
B.
and Leonard were having a pointless debate. And in most situations,
I
would agree (that is, even though David B. was correct about XP's
default settings for Virtual Memory, the end result is normally the
same).

Example: I have 256 MB of RAM in my PC. Max Virtual Memory is 768
MB.
If I were to double my RAM, even though Windows won't change the max
for VM, there wouldn't be a problem because (as pointed out in
Alex's
article) 700 to 800 MB as a maximum is good for *any* amount of RAM
(but he did suggest a higher value is also fine, provided that
there's
enough disk space)

So that's that. Stop picking on him! :-)






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  #47  
Old December 6th 07, 04:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
SG[_2_]
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Default Installing Extra RAM

Good Golly Mrs. Molly what a thread...
OK guys someone here is going to pay. After loading all these
thread/replies, my Swap file/Page File and my Memory is SHOT, so pay up now
:)

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"Daave" wrote in message
...
Agreed. I felt your frustration! And I agree it's time to put this one to
rest, too.

"David B." wrote in message
...
Good job deciphering Daave, all I originally wanted to do was get people
to realize WHAT the default page file setting was, and it snowballed. I
think it's time to put this one to rest.

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__________________________________________________ _______________________________

"Daave" wrote in message
...
LOL

Now it looks like I'm adding to the confusion.

I'll correct my previous post... I left something out...

(see below)


Daave wrote:
I've been following this thread from the beginning and not only does
it all make sense to me, I can see why there's some confusion.

Hudster, David B., Leonard, and you are talking about different, yet
related things.

Hudster asked his initial question, wanting to know if XP will
recognize the extra RAM he planned on installing.

You correctly responded yes:

"No manual adjustments required. If the system recognizes the new RAM
it is automatic."

David B. added:

"Except for the swapfile, it will be set for the pre upgrade amount of
RAM"

What he clearly meant was (here's my paraphrase):

"Yes, the system will automatically recognize the new RAM. However, if
Virtual Memory hadn't been changed to System Managed (which is often
recommended by many techs, especially for people who like to "set it
and forget it") and instead has its original default settings, then
it's possible that those settings may eventually lead to error
messages. True, a lot of the time, it won't matter, but it can and
has happened. Granted, it's more likely if someone is upgrading from
128 MB, which is quite rare these days. Still, it can and has
happened."

Gerry, you really latched on to David's statement. His "it" is not
referencing your "it." Your "it" is the system. His "it" is the
pagefile. It seems like you perceived he was disagreeing with you. He
wasn't. He was adding information.

Then later, Leonard challenged him. Leonard said that:

"The correct setting for the page file is almost always 'system
managed size' and that's where you should have it."

My mistake.

For some reason, when I pasted the above, I had the following on the
brain (also said by Leonard):

"XP by default is set to system managed size."

That would have been the challenge. But Leonard hadn't said it yet! (But
by the time he did, *that* is what the debate was really about. At least
that's what I noticed more than anything else. Leonard was wrong. And
David B. wanted to point out the mistake.)

So going back, what Leonard said was more like a non sequitur. After
David B. made his remark that sometimes Virtual Memory settings need to
be changed after the installation of memory (in instances when Let
System Manage had *not* been chosen), Leonard said:

"The correct setting for the page file is almost always 'system managed
size' and that's where you should have it."

This was a non sequitur and also happened to be something David B.
agreed with! Perhaps David B. used a tone. But perhaps he didn't. And in
Usenet, it's easy to assume there was a tone when there wasn't. So maybe
you (and maybe Leonard) thought David B. was being snarky when he
replied:

"Umm, that's what I said, XP by default is set to a fixed size."

And then the thread devolved into its current mess!

Distilled:

Both Leonard and David B. think it's good to let the system manage VM.

Leonard mistakenly said that by default XP lets the system manage VM.

That was the point that David B. disagreed with (correctly).

Leonard was under the impression that they both believed the same thing:
that it is *good* to let the system manage VM. While that may be true,
he didn't realize he had made a wrong statement and just saw the
disagreement as one over semantics. But it really wasn't. But it's easy
to get lost and think that it's a pointless debate anyway.

Okay, I'm done now. Good night!


This is incorrect. David B. pointed that out. Leonard never admitted
he was in error and wanted to agree to disagree.

But David B. was correct. Leonard was wrong. And David B. correctly
pointed out that Leonard was:

"posting incorrect information."

Then you chimed in, answering Lil' Dave's post, stating that David B.
and Leonard were having a pointless debate. And in most situations, I
would agree (that is, even though David B. was correct about XP's
default settings for Virtual Memory, the end result is normally the
same).

Example: I have 256 MB of RAM in my PC. Max Virtual Memory is 768 MB.
If I were to double my RAM, even though Windows won't change the max
for VM, there wouldn't be a problem because (as pointed out in Alex's
article) 700 to 800 MB as a maximum is good for *any* amount of RAM
(but he did suggest a higher value is also fine, provided that there's
enough disk space)

So that's that. Stop picking on him! :-)







  #48  
Old December 6th 07, 12:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
Lil' Dave
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Generally speaking (doesn't fit all), if you have adequate hard drive space,
leave the swapfile at default location and assure its system managed size
after increasing RAM.

I can imagine many exceptions.
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Dave
"Gerry" wrote in message
...
David

That's not the debate you were having with Leonard as it looked to me. It
was pointless because pursuing it as you both did did not achieve much for
either of you.

I answer a lot of questions in these newsgroups relating to managing
memory. There is no one solution suits all. I am not convinced that system
managed is the best solution but there you are. We all have our funny
ideas.

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Gerry
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



David B. wrote:
Not pointless at all, more than once I've had a customer come in
because they were getting low virtual memory errors in XP, after
questioning I find out they upgrade from 128 or 256 MB to a GB, I go
in set the swap file from factory fixed size (it's still set to the
proper size for the original 128 or 256MB) to system managed, problem
solved.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Dave

Your point is correct but the point David B and Leonard were at
loggerheads over was a different point. A bit of a pointless debate
because the pagefile sizing assumptions by Microsoft were, with the
advent of larger drives, demonstrably wrong. The late Alex Nichol
pointed this out in his still relevant Article in 2004.
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm





  #49  
Old December 6th 07, 04:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
David B.[_3_]
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Default Installing Extra RAM

Remove your sound card and drop in boiling water for 45 minutes, reinstall
while still wet, that should take care of it

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"SG" wrote in message
...
Good Golly Mrs. Molly what a thread...
OK guys someone here is going to pay. After loading all these
thread/replies, my Swap file/Page File and my Memory is SHOT, so pay up
now :)

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All the best,
SG
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  #50  
Old December 6th 07, 10:15 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
SG[_2_]
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Default Installing Extra RAM

OH Great, now my speakers have a bubbling sound coming from them. :
Last post, but it was fun to ease the tension in this thread.

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"David B." wrote in message
...
Remove your sound card and drop in boiling water for 45 minutes, reinstall
while still wet, that should take care of it

--

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How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
__________________________________________________ _______________________________


"SG" wrote in message
...
Good Golly Mrs. Molly what a thread...
OK guys someone here is going to pay. After loading all these
thread/replies, my Swap file/Page File and my Memory is SHOT, so pay up
now :)

--
All the best,
SG
How to Write a Newsgroup Post:
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Usenet



 




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