Microsoft to allow partial control over updates, even for home users.

Yep, they have caved in to the pressure, at least partially, on the
forced update issue.

Read the article by Ed Bott at ZDNet for the method to accomplish it as
it's not automatic.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microso...tag=YHFb1d24ec

Note, the turning back on of System Restore (which the W10 Upgrade will
turn off) near the end of the article so you will have the chance of
rolling back a defective update long enough to work the procedure to
keep the bad update from reinstalling.

GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Yep, they have caved in to the pressure, at least partially, on the
forced update issue.

Read the article by Ed Bott at ZDNet for the method to accomplish it as
it's not automatic.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microso...tag=YHFb1d24ec


Note, the turning back on of System Restore (which the W10 Upgrade will
turn off) near the end of the article so you will have the chance of
rolling back a defective update long enough to work the procedure to
keep the bad update from reinstalling.

I like the explanation of why MS wanted to force updates. Nothing
sinister; quite the opposite. And, quite frankly, I admire their guts in
trying to force it through (and also their good sense in reacting to the
storm of user outrage against it).

So then, this compromise solution will offer what?
1. Install all updates (keeping SR going), uninstall bad ones with a
system roll-back, and then hide the update.
2. Hide all updates, vet them one by one, install chosen ones.
This latter option is a major concession from MS; a major concession.

Ed

Ken1943 wrote:
I bet their programmers are so into code they never even "use" a
computer. Or they use Apples !!


I watch a lot of modern films. And every time someone uses a computer
it's always an Apple Mac laptop with the back facing the camera and
displaying that Apple logo.

Ed

"Ed Cryer" wrote in message
...
Ken1943 wrote:
I bet their programmers are so into code they never even "use" a
computer. Or they use Apples !!


I watch a lot of modern films. And every time someone uses a computer it's
always an Apple Mac laptop with the back facing the camera and displaying
that Apple logo.


Apple pays well for people to do that in films and TV shows. If you watch
any NBC programs such as the NCIS series, you'll notice they always use
Microsoft Surface Pro's ( NBC=MSNBC :-) ). Since Bill owns NBC, he probably
doesn't want to see no stinkin' Apples on HIS network :-)
--
SC Tom

Ed Cryer wrote in :

Ken1943 wrote:
I bet their programmers are so into code they never even "use" a
computer. Or they use Apples !!


I watch a lot of modern films. And every time someone uses a computer
it's always an Apple Mac laptop with the back facing the camera and
displaying that Apple logo.

Ed




product placement

a practice in which manufacturers of goods or providers of a service gain
exposure for their products by paying for them to be featured in movies and
television programs.

SC Tom wrote:

Apple pays well for people to do that in films and TV shows. If you
watch any NBC programs such as the NCIS series, ...

As the NCIS series is a CBS network program, this renders the rest of your
paragraph moot. ;-)

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-bts
-This space for rent, but the price is high

On 27 Jul 2015, john szalay john.szalayatatt.net wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

product placement

a practice in which manufacturers of goods or providers of a
service gain exposure for their products by paying for them to be
featured in movies and television programs.

Same reason the cereal box front is always facing the camera and why
they hold the soda can in an unnatural way so as not to obscure the
logo.

On 27 Jul 2015, GlowingBlueMist wrote
in alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Yep, they have caved in to the pressure, at least partially, on
the forced update issue.

Read the article by Ed Bott at ZDNet for the method to accomplish
it as it's not automatic.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microso...to-hide-or-blo
ck-unwanted-windows-10-updates/#ftag=YHFb1d24ec

I don't quite get how this works. When you check for updates, they
download and install automatically, so when do you get the chance to
hide them?

I suppose it will become clearer when I try it for myself, which I will
do ASAP. This has been my major objection to Win10.

On 7/27/2015 12:21 PM, Nil wrote:
On 27 Jul 2015, GlowingBlueMist wrote
in alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Yep, they have caved in to the pressure, at least partially, on
the forced update issue.

Read the article by Ed Bott at ZDNet for the method to accomplish
it as it's not automatic.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microso...to-hide-or-blo
ck-unwanted-windows-10-updates/#ftag=YHFb1d24ec

I don't quite get how this works. When you check for updates, they
download and install automatically, so when do you get the chance to
hide them?

I suppose it will become clearer when I try it for myself, which I will
do ASAP. This has been my major objection to Win10.

My impression is that the updates will be all installed for you. Only
if you have a problem will you roll back the upgrade and then use the
optional troubleshooter (if you activate it) to look at the list of what
you removed and tell the PC which items NOT to try installing again.

So it's basically, Oops we goofed, hopefully you can still boot up so
that you can remove the offending update and block it.

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:19:29 -0400, "SC Tom" wrote:



"Ed Cryer" wrote in message
...
Ken1943 wrote:
I bet their programmers are so into code they never even "use" a
computer. Or they use Apples !!


I watch a lot of modern films. And every time someone uses a computer it's
always an Apple Mac laptop with the back facing the camera and displaying
that Apple logo.


Apple pays well for people to do that in films and TV shows. If you watch
any NBC programs such as the NCIS series, you'll notice they always use
Microsoft Surface Pro's ( NBC=MSNBC :-) ). Since Bill owns NBC, he probably
doesn't want to see no stinkin' Apples on HIS network :-)

BTS addressed the NBC/CBS issue, so my question is, who is Bill? When I look
at the key executives of NBC and CBS, I don't see anyone by that name.

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:52:56 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:

GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Yep, they have caved in to the pressure, at least partially, on the
forced update issue.

Read the article by Ed Bott at ZDNet for the method to accomplish it as
it's not automatic.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microso...tag=YHFb1d24ec


Note, the turning back on of System Restore (which the W10 Upgrade will
turn off) near the end of the article so you will have the chance of
rolling back a defective update long enough to work the procedure to
keep the bad update from reinstalling.

I like the explanation of why MS wanted to force updates. Nothing
sinister; quite the opposite.

What was their explanation? I skimmed the article, read your post, then
skimmed the article again, but I didn't see it.

Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:52:56 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:

GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Yep, they have caved in to the pressure, at least partially, on the
forced update issue.

Read the article by Ed Bott at ZDNet for the method to accomplish it as
it's not automatic.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microso...tag=YHFb1d24ec


Note, the turning back on of System Restore (which the W10 Upgrade will
turn off) near the end of the article so you will have the chance of
rolling back a defective update long enough to work the procedure to
keep the bad update from reinstalling.

I like the explanation of why MS wanted to force updates. Nothing
sinister; quite the opposite.

What was their explanation? I skimmed the article, read your post, then
skimmed the article again, but I didn't see it.


Try with your glasses on next time, Char. And if that doesn't work then
move from "skimming" to either "thumbing through" or "perusing".

"Clearly, one of Microsoft's goals in changing the behavior of Windows
Update in Windows 10 was to drag customers, kicking and screaming if
necessary, into the always-up-to-date world, in the process removing
many of the most common vectors for malware, unpatched systems."

Ed

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 22:18:56 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:52:56 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:

GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Yep, they have caved in to the pressure, at least partially, on the
forced update issue.

Read the article by Ed Bott at ZDNet for the method to accomplish it as
it's not automatic.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microso...tag=YHFb1d24ec


Note, the turning back on of System Restore (which the W10 Upgrade will
turn off) near the end of the article so you will have the chance of
rolling back a defective update long enough to work the procedure to
keep the bad update from reinstalling.

I like the explanation of why MS wanted to force updates. Nothing
sinister; quite the opposite.

What was their explanation? I skimmed the article, read your post, then
skimmed the article again, but I didn't see it.


Try with your glasses on next time, Char. And if that doesn't work then
move from "skimming" to either "thumbing through" or "perusing".

"Clearly, one of Microsoft's goals in changing the behavior of Windows
Update in Windows 10 was to drag customers, kicking and screaming if
necessary, into the always-up-to-date world, in the process removing
many of the most common vectors for malware, unpatched systems."

My apologies. I did see that section, (both times), but I dismissed it since
it was very clearly an assumption made by the author and not something that
Microsoft had said, plus, it wasn't really an explanation at all. Thanks for
clarifying!

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote in message
...
SC Tom wrote:

Apple pays well for people to do that in films and TV shows. If you
watch any NBC programs such as the NCIS series, ...

As the NCIS series is a CBS network program, this renders the rest of your
paragraph moot. ;-)

You are correct. Got my Bs and Cs out of line :-) They DO use Surface Pros
though, so I got about half of it right (give or take) :-)
--
SC Tom

"Char Jackson" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:19:29 -0400, "SC Tom" wrote:



"Ed Cryer" wrote in message
...
Ken1943 wrote:
I bet their programmers are so into code they never even "use" a
computer. Or they use Apples !!


I watch a lot of modern films. And every time someone uses a computer
it's
always an Apple Mac laptop with the back facing the camera and
displaying
that Apple logo.


Apple pays well for people to do that in films and TV shows. If you watch
any NBC programs such as the NCIS series, you'll notice they always use
Microsoft Surface Pro's ( NBC=MSNBC :-) ). Since Bill owns NBC, he
probably
doesn't want to see no stinkin' Apples on HIS network :-)

BTS addressed the NBC/CBS issue, so my question is, who is Bill? When I
look
at the key executives of NBC and CBS, I don't see anyone by that name.


Since Bill Gates is somewhat involved with Microsoft, and Microsoft owns
NBC, I would think Bill's last name is Gates :-) May be a round-about
ownership, but I bet he's in there in some way.
--
SC Tom