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Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:31:05 -0400, "kurttrail" wrote: Life's all about helping others. Even if they are fools. Is the world better off when fools suffer than when fools don't suffer? It is better off when they aren't enabled by others to continue in their foolish ways. But earlier in the thread you (I think), said they deserve punishment. No I didn't. Quote me. But responding to your statement he How so? Give an example of the enabling you are referring to, and tell us how the world would be better off if that enabling did not occur. Right here. I have to admit that I'm not sure how to enable a fool to download bad stuff other than by making the software less safe - which you said you're not advocating. Actual examples will be meaningful. A habitually crying baby. Keep paying attention to them every time they cry, and all you teach them is that crying gets them attention. Same thing with people expecting to get help with preventable malware on their computer. Instead of learning how to avoid the malware in the first place, by coddling them and handing them removal instructions, they don't learn to prevent the malware, but become dependent on other to help them remove it. And these aren't forums, but newsgroups. Newsgroups aren't types of forums? Nope. Quick definitions (Forum) # noun: a public facility to meet for open discussion # noun: a public meeting or assembly for open discussion So what part of these definitions don't apply? MS groups aren't totally open discussions. They are often censored, especially when Brannugget is on the rag. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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-- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" "Howard Brazee" wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:31:05 -0400, "kurttrail" wrote: You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the consequences of their foolishness. LOL! You are a born enabler. By recognizing that I can't make people smarter? Or by protecting myself from them? If I am an enabler - what do I do, or what *can* I do to enable these fools? What do you do differently? |
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Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:31:05 -0400, "kurttrail" wrote: You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the consequences of their foolishness. LOL! You are a born enabler. By recognizing that I can't make people smarter? Or by protecting myself from them? By accepting that people cannot be motivated to rise above their own foolishness. How are you protecting yourself from them? If I am an enabler - what do I do, or what *can* I do to enable these fools? What do you do differently? LOL! Supplying them motivation not to continue in their foolish ways, by not excepting their excuses for getting their computers infected with spyware, and by telling them the truth that they are more fools, than victims. If someone tells you that a lamp is not plugged in, and to bend up the contact to fix a lamp socket, and you do it and get shocked, then you've been victimized. If you keep doing it over and over again, then you are just a fool. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:31:13 -0600, Notan wrote: If people deserve to be punished for being foolish, then the implication is that we shouldn't work to prevent them from their just consequences. You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the consequences of their foolishness. Again, I'd imagine that there's no reasoning with little Kurt. Apparently, he's the the type of person that thinks calling a fat person "fat" is a good motivator for weight loss. Anything else would be coddling. In the case of foolish computing the consequences are different from being fat. I could let someone play with a loaded handgun trusting that the only person who got hurt was the person playing with that gun, and he would deserve what he got. HUH? Both of those affect other people. I guess you never had to sit next to some fat f*#ker on an airplane. And playing with guns gets people shot, and not only those doing the playing. Except I'm smart enough to see that we all pay for the damage. And I would prefer to be protected from that fool's actions. But then I'd be as big of a fool as Kurt is, and just as deserving of the consequences. What consequences are there for you if someone gets spyware on their computer? -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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kurttrail wrote:
Howard Brazee wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:31:13 -0600, Notan wrote: If people deserve to be punished for being foolish, then the implication is that we shouldn't work to prevent them from their just consequences. You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the consequences of their foolishness. Again, I'd imagine that there's no reasoning with little Kurt. Apparently, he's the the type of person that thinks calling a fat person "fat" is a good motivator for weight loss. Anything else would be coddling. In the case of foolish computing the consequences are different from being fat. I could let someone play with a loaded handgun trusting that the only person who got hurt was the person playing with that gun, and he would deserve what he got. HUH? Both of those affect other people. I guess you never had to sit next to some fat f*#ker on an airplane. And playing with guns gets people shot, and not only those doing the playing. Except I'm smart enough to see that we all pay for the damage. And I would prefer to be protected from that fool's actions. But then I'd be as big of a fool as Kurt is, and just as deserving of the consequences. What consequences are there for you if someone gets spyware on their computer? My consequence, I get Paid for cleaning it. |
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:22:05 -0400, "kurttrail"
wrote: But earlier in the thread you (I think), said they deserve punishment. No I didn't. Quote me. OK. How's this? I am. Spreading the fact that mostly only deserving fools get their computers infected with spyware. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator I read this as saying they are deserving of getting infected. Maybe that's not what you meant. If not, well, I've been known to say other than I've meant too. |
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:22:05 -0400, "kurttrail" wrote: Quick definitions (Forum) # noun: a public facility to meet for open discussion # noun: a public meeting or assembly for open discussion So what part of these definitions don't apply? MS groups aren't totally open discussions. They are often censored, especially when Brannugget is on the rag. Virtually all forums have some degree of censorship sometimes. |
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:38:29 -0400, "kurttrail"
wrote: You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the consequences of their foolishness. LOL! You are a born enabler. By recognizing that I can't make people smarter? Or by protecting myself from them? By accepting that people cannot be motivated to rise above their own foolishness. People will continue to be people. Being prepared for stupidity or war or crime is recognizing that they won't become what I wish they would become. How are you protecting yourself from them? I don't accept e-mail from them. I support software that makes it more difficult to pass on the results of their foolishness. |
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:43:56 -0400, "kurttrail"
wrote: Except I'm smart enough to see that we all pay for the damage. And I would prefer to be protected from that fool's actions. But then I'd be as big of a fool as Kurt is, and just as deserving of the consequences. What consequences are there for you if someone gets spyware on their computer? First, this discussion applies just as well for all mal-ware. 1. When the people who produce the mal-ware get rewarded, more gets created. They get more resources and develop ways to get into better protected systems. I have to spend more time and money protecting myself. I want to see those *******s in the poorhouse. 2. When the fools spread their mal-ware, more of our business resources are spent fighting them. When the costs of business rise, consumers pay. 3. When there is more noise on the Internet, it is more work to sift out the useful parts. I have better things to do. 4. Some people have reason to have data about people I care about on computers. I don't want those people compromised by phishers or others. In general, I'd rather see the mal-ware producers frustrated. They won't be as long as there are easy targets. |
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It sounds like you're advocating that newsgroups/forums be eliminated so
that no one with knowledge can be an "enabler". I've found that I gain a great deal of knowledge and information from these groups. I'd had to see the groups go. Didn't realize that I was being enabled by reading these groups. BTW, I don't have any scumware on my computer. -- *** NEVER download files from anywhere unless it is from the website of the developer, manufacturer or some entity that you trust. They ALWAYS have the most up to date files that haven't been tampered with by some third party who is "hosting" (read Leeching) those files without permission. *** "kurttrail" wrote in message ... Howard Brazee wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:31:05 -0400, "kurttrail" wrote: You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the consequences of their foolishness. LOL! You are a born enabler. By recognizing that I can't make people smarter? Or by protecting myself from them? By accepting that people cannot be motivated to rise above their own foolishness. How are you protecting yourself from them? If I am an enabler - what do I do, or what *can* I do to enable these fools? What do you do differently? LOL! Supplying them motivation not to continue in their foolish ways, by not excepting their excuses for getting their computers infected with spyware, and by telling them the truth that they are more fools, than victims. If someone tells you that a lamp is not plugged in, and to bend up the contact to fix a lamp socket, and you do it and get shocked, then you've been victimized. If you keep doing it over and over again, then you are just a fool. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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On Thursday 22 September 2005 07:17 am, kurttrail had this to say in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: winddancer wrote: is this a help/discussion forum or a bitch session.i'm just blown away with some of the bitchy crap....get on with it and assist someone I am. Spreading the fact that mostly only deserving fools get their computers infected with spyware. And only those running Windows, btw. :-) -- Now this is Eye-Candy! Most beautiful desktop in the world. Checkout ELive - a live Linux CD - run E17 http://www.elivecd.org/gb/About/index.html |
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Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:22:05 -0400, "kurttrail" wrote: But earlier in the thread you (I think), said they deserve punishment. No I didn't. Quote me. OK. How's this? "I am. Spreading the fact that mostly only deserving fools get their computers infected with spyware." I read this as saying they are deserving of getting infected. Maybe that's not what you meant. If not, well, I've been known to say other than I've meant too. People getting what they deserve is not "punishment," in my book. It is Karma. So you cannot quote me saying that fools "deserve punishment." -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:22:05 -0400, "kurttrail" wrote: Quick definitions (Forum) # noun: a public facility to meet for open discussion # noun: a public meeting or assembly for open discussion So what part of these definitions don't apply? MS groups aren't totally open discussions. They are often censored, especially when Brannugget is on the rag. Virtually all forums have some degree of censorship sometimes. Nope. Open discussion isn't one that is censored. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:38:29 -0400, "kurttrail" wrote: You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the consequences of their foolishness. LOL! You are a born enabler. By recognizing that I can't make people smarter? Or by protecting myself from them? By accepting that people cannot be motivated to rise above their own foolishness. People will continue to be people. Being prepared for stupidity or war or crime is recognizing that they won't become what I wish they would become. Defeatist nonsense. People sink down to low expectations. How are you protecting yourself from them? I don't accept e-mail from them. I support software that makes it more difficult to pass on the results of their foolishness. HUH? How are you protecting yourself from them by enabling them to keep repeating their ignorant actions? -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Fitz wrote:
It sounds like you're advocating that newsgroups/forums be eliminated so that no one with knowledge can be an "enabler". Again quote me. The OP is a self-professed "high level pro" and really has no good excuse for infecting his computer with spyware, and should be smart enough to find his own answer instead of begging for one. I suspect the OP is only a pro at getting high. I've found that I gain a great deal of knowledge and information from these groups. I'd had to see the groups go. Didn't realize that I was being enabled by reading these groups. If you ask questions that are easily found by googling and instead come begging for someone to give you the easy answer, then yes you are being enabled. BTW, I don't have any scumware on my computer. Did I say you did? -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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