Bloody Windoes 10

When I first goy my current machine (about two years ago) it wouldn't
sleep or hibernate under any circumstances. Suddenly, in the middle of
last year it started sleeping and hibernating with no problems at all.

Suddenly, in the middle of last week it stopped sleeping and
hibernating and so far I have found nothing which will make it do so.
Settings haven't changed. The timing doesn't seem to correspond to any
listed update. I now have no option but closing it down. A quick
browse of the internet suggests I am not the only person with this
problem.

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Eric Stevens

There are two classes of people. Those who divide people into
two classes and those who don't. I belong to the second class.

Eric Stevens wrote:
When I first goy my current machine (about two years ago) it wouldn't
sleep or hibernate under any circumstances. Suddenly, in the middle of
last year it started sleeping and hibernating with no problems at all.

Suddenly, in the middle of last week it stopped sleeping and
hibernating and so far I have found nothing which will make it do so.
Settings haven't changed. The timing doesn't seem to correspond to any
listed update. I now have no option but closing it down. A quick
browse of the internet suggests I am not the only person with this
problem.


There are tick boxes for that.

The exasperating part, is navigating to find them. You'll find
lots of tutorials around, but many will be for a version of
Windows 10 you're not using.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

If you have File Explorer properly configured, then you'll be
able to see hidden and system files. I like to browser the root of
C: and see if "hiberfil.sys" is present.

If it's not present, then in an Administrator shell window I would do:

powercfg /h on

A hiberfile can only be created, if sufficient room is left on C:
for it. For example, you do a "powercfg /h off", then download a
hundred movies, filling up C:, then you try and "powercfg /h on"
and "BARP" no can do. Because there isn't enough space.

The hiberfile uses some compression. It probably works with values
between 50% and 100% of system RAM. An 8GB RAM machine, needs at least
4GB for the hiberfil.sys. And the machine would whine about
available space anyway, if it was getting that low. On bigger
machines, you have to think carefully about whether there is
space for a hiberfile. During an install, some of the older
versions of Windows would remove the hiberfile, just so they
could complete the Upgrade cycle and look good doing it.

Hibernate needs the hiberfile.

Sleep, needs drivers that "warm start" properly on recovery.
The driver must reload chip registers, so your SATA ports
work and so on. Drivers which are not "sleep rated", can
drag the machine down. The machine will not sleep, if
something "blocks it". Adding a new ****ty addin card
or even some USB item, might trigger such a situation.
Stuff like this used to be a bitch on Apple computers
(lots of stuff wouldn't sleep, and hardware makers
needed to be mindful of what chips would work).

It used to be easy to use the Microsoft "dumppo" utility
to check for stuff like that. Dumppo no longer works on
Windows 10, and so other utilities must report such details.
It's possible powercfg has some "reports" it can generate
with details like that. Using my Google magic wand...

https://www.tenforums.com/general-su...ont-sleep.html

"powercfg /energy

the report showed the driver "High Definition Audio Device"
to be stopping the computer from sleeping
"

That's a very brief and non-exhaustive look at power and sleep.

Try:

powercfg /?

and you might find more gems hiding in there.

I would say, overall, the situation is better... because
you're not using dumppo any more :-)

Good luck,
Paul

On Mon, 02 Mar 2020 18:30:40 -0500, Paul
wrote:

Eric Stevens wrote:
When I first goy my current machine (about two years ago) it wouldn't
sleep or hibernate under any circumstances. Suddenly, in the middle of
last year it started sleeping and hibernating with no problems at all.

Suddenly, in the middle of last week it stopped sleeping and
hibernating and so far I have found nothing which will make it do so.
Settings haven't changed. The timing doesn't seem to correspond to any
listed update. I now have no option but closing it down. A quick
browse of the internet suggests I am not the only person with this
problem.


There are tick boxes for that.

The exasperating part, is navigating to find them. You'll find
lots of tutorials around, but many will be for a version of
Windows 10 you're not using.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

If you have File Explorer properly configured, then you'll be
able to see hidden and system files. I like to browser the root of
C: and see if "hiberfil.sys" is present.

That's interesting. I have Windows Explorer configured to show hidden
files but it does not find hiberfil.sys. But Everything locates it in
te root of C:.

If it's not present, then in an Administrator shell window I would do:

powercfg /h on

A hiberfile can only be created, if sufficient room is left on C:
for it. For example, you do a "powercfg /h off", then download a
hundred movies, filling up C:, then you try and "powercfg /h on"
and "BARP" no can do. Because there isn't enough space.

The hiberfile uses some compression. It probably works with values
between 50% and 100% of system RAM. An 8GB RAM machine, needs at least
4GB for the hiberfil.sys.

Drive C is 500 SSD of which 320 GB is free.

And the machine would whine about
available space anyway, if it was getting that low. On bigger
machines, you have to think carefully about whether there is
space for a hiberfile. During an install, some of the older
versions of Windows would remove the hiberfile, just so they
could complete the Upgrade cycle and look good doing it.

Hibernate needs the hiberfile.

Sleep, needs drivers that "warm start" properly on recovery.

Obviously they do, or they used to.
I've not knowingly changed a driver at the time that this stated
happening.

The driver must reload chip registers, so your SATA ports
work and so on. Drivers which are not "sleep rated", can
drag the machine down. The machine will not sleep, if
something "blocks it". Adding a new ****ty addin card
or even some USB item, might trigger such a situation.
Stuff like this used to be a bitch on Apple computers
(lots of stuff wouldn't sleep, and hardware makers
needed to be mindful of what chips would work).

It used to be easy to use the Microsoft "dumppo" utility
to check for stuff like that. Dumppo no longer works on
Windows 10, and so other utilities must report such details.
It's possible powercfg has some "reports" it can generate
with details like that. Using my Google magic wand...

https://www.tenforums.com/general-su...ont-sleep.html

"powercfg /energy

the report showed the driver "High Definition Audio Device"
to be stopping the computer from sleeping

In my case it reported problems with USB bus devices. This may turn
out to be as a result of me plugging in an elderly Wacom tablet to a
USB port on one of my monitors. I have now unplugged it and will have
to wait and see what happens. I will report back

"

That's a very brief and non-exhaustive look at power and sleep.

Try:

powercfg /?

and you might find more gems hiding in there.

I would say, overall, the situation is better... because
you're not using dumppo any more :-)

Good luck,
Paul

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Eric Stevens

There are two classes of people. Those who divide people into
two classes and those who don't. I belong to the second class.

Eric Stevens wrote:

On Mon, 02 Mar 2020 18:30:40 -0500, Paul
wrote:

Eric Stevens wrote:
When I first goy my current machine (about two years ago) it wouldn't
sleep or hibernate under any circumstances. Suddenly, in the middle of
last year it started sleeping and hibernating with no problems at all.

Suddenly, in the middle of last week it stopped sleeping and
hibernating and so far I have found nothing which will make it do so.
Settings haven't changed. The timing doesn't seem to correspond to any
listed update. I now have no option but closing it down. A quick
browse of the internet suggests I am not the only person with this
problem.


There are tick boxes for that.

The exasperating part, is navigating to find them. You'll find
lots of tutorials around, but many will be for a version of
Windows 10 you're not using.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

If you have File Explorer properly configured, then you'll be
able to see hidden and system files. I like to browser the root of
C: and see if "hiberfil.sys" is present.

That's interesting. I have Windows Explorer configured to show hidden
files but it does not find hiberfil.sys. But Everything locates it in
te root of C:.

If it's not present, then in an Administrator shell window I would do:

powercfg /h on

A hiberfile can only be created, if sufficient room is left on C:
for it. For example, you do a "powercfg /h off", then download a
hundred movies, filling up C:, then you try and "powercfg /h on"
and "BARP" no can do. Because there isn't enough space.

The hiberfile uses some compression. It probably works with values
between 50% and 100% of system RAM. An 8GB RAM machine, needs at least
4GB for the hiberfil.sys.

Drive C is 500 SSD of which 320 GB is free.

And the machine would whine about
available space anyway, if it was getting that low. On bigger
machines, you have to think carefully about whether there is
space for a hiberfile. During an install, some of the older
versions of Windows would remove the hiberfile, just so they
could complete the Upgrade cycle and look good doing it.

Hibernate needs the hiberfile.

Sleep, needs drivers that "warm start" properly on recovery.

Obviously they do, or they used to.
I've not knowingly changed a driver at the time that this stated
happening.

The driver must reload chip registers, so your SATA ports
work and so on. Drivers which are not "sleep rated", can
drag the machine down. The machine will not sleep, if
something "blocks it". Adding a new ****ty addin card
or even some USB item, might trigger such a situation.
Stuff like this used to be a bitch on Apple computers
(lots of stuff wouldn't sleep, and hardware makers
needed to be mindful of what chips would work).

It used to be easy to use the Microsoft "dumppo" utility
to check for stuff like that. Dumppo no longer works on
Windows 10, and so other utilities must report such details.
It's possible powercfg has some "reports" it can generate
with details like that. Using my Google magic wand...

https://www.tenforums.com/general-su...ont-sleep.html

"powercfg /energy

the report showed the driver "High Definition Audio Device"
to be stopping the computer from sleeping

In my case it reported problems with USB bus devices. This may turn
out to be as a result of me plugging in an elderly Wacom tablet to a
USB port on one of my monitors. I have now unplugged it and will have
to wait and see what happens. I will report back

"

That's a very brief and non-exhaustive look at power and sleep.

Try:

powercfg /?

and you might find more gems hiding in there.

I would say, overall, the situation is better... because
you're not using dumppo any more :-)

Good luck,
Paul

Eric,

In order to see Hiberfile.sys you need to change Windows exlorer settings... same place you change

to "Show hidden files"


UnCheck "Hide protected operating system files (Recommended)"

JT


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