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  #16  
Old March 11th 18, 05:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 09:28:50 -0000, HB wrote:


"wg_2002" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell
MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.

It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always
choose
another alternative.


What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games
created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing
software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


Windows mail came AFTER OE.


You're right. But we were using WM *before* I got the copy of EO6 from
Runasxp a few years back.



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Old March 11th 18, 05:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Brick wrote:
On 11 Mar 2018 16:09:34 GMT, Frank Slootweg, thunk thusly:
HB wrote:
"wg_2002" wrote in message
news On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.

It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always choose
another alternative.

What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


Indeed! Classic example of shooting the messenger, instead of blaming
Microsoft for not providing an alternative for Outlook Express / Windows
Mail.


I run Windows Live Mail on Windows 10, so that's an option.


If you can stand the bugs [1] in Windows Live Mail.

I couldn't, so I 'switched' to Thunderbird (see my horror story on
that).

[1] No, I don't remember them all. Too long ago. But - for me - there
were too many. IIRC, the final straw was WLM not removing old messages
from the (POP) server.
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Old March 11th 18, 05:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 11 Mar 2018 16:40:54 GMT, Frank Slootweg, thunk thusly:
Brick wrote:
On 11 Mar 2018 16:09:34 GMT, Frank Slootweg, thunk thusly:
HB wrote:
"wg_2002" wrote in message
news On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.

It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always choose
another alternative.

What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.

Indeed! Classic example of shooting the messenger, instead of blaming
Microsoft for not providing an alternative for Outlook Express / Windows
Mail.


I run Windows Live Mail on Windows 10, so that's an option.


If you can stand the bugs [1] in Windows Live Mail.

I couldn't, so I 'switched' to Thunderbird (see my horror story on
that).

[1] No, I don't remember them all. Too long ago. But - for me - there
were too many. IIRC, the final straw was WLM not removing old messages
from the (POP) server.


That bug doesn't affect me for some reason, but my email requirements don't
include archiving or anything else that important.

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Old March 11th 18, 05:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Frank Slootweg" wrote

| Not only clunky, but completely fsck-ed up, unless your imported input
| was a straight-and-clean *file* (not mail folder) tree structure. TB's
| tools don't have a clue how OE's/WM's mail storage is/can_be organized
| and are quite happy to fsck it up. But heh, OE/WM was only the most used
| MUA, so why would TB bother to accomodate its users!?
|

Yes. It almost seems like they intended to be gruff
with OE refugees, doesn't it? A bit of Open Source
smugness. There was no excuse for not importing
OE accounts as normal TB accounts.

You might want to try undbx if you haven't already
got rid of your DBX files. I think that's what I'd do if I
switched: Just convert the email to files and import
those in a way that TB can understand.

Also, I don't know whether this might be useful:

https://www.jsware.net/jsware/scrfiles.php5#ebase

I wrote it recently for my own purposes. It's a database
program that uses Windows Installer MSI files (very
fast) to store several years worth of my old email for
easy search. It has to be set up by loading all relevant
email, but once set up it's easy to use. And there's
a script included to convert a TB email storage file to
separate .EML files.

There's a screenshot he
https://www.jsware.net/jsware/linkpics/ebase.gif

(I made a database for spam, just to make the screeshot
without giving away private info, but it shows the basic
functionality. The utility is an HTA. That is, it runs
in an IE window as a webpage and you can create
as many separate MSI database files as you like.)


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Old March 11th 18, 05:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Mayayana" wrote in message
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"HB" wrote

| ....wiped out OE6.
| There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this
| group must know how to stop these updates.
|

This has been established. Win10 is defined as a service.
You no longer have a choice. You can accept their spyware
and accept being an unpaid beta tester. Or you can reject
it. Even the EULA says you can't fix it. Unless someone
does something like forcing civility through a class action
lawsuit (very unlikely) you have no options with Win10.
What you're dealing with is only the beginning.


If that's the case, and I wish I had known before I bought the Tablet and
new Laptop, I would not have bought them. Family and friends keep
encouraging us (wife, kids and myself) to dump MS and go with Macs.
Honestly, the main reason there's hesitation is because of the software we
all have and use regularly. But if MS is going to make using that software
impossible or require things needing legal copies of XP, keys or hacks...
what the hell.


The choices you do have would be to buy a copy of Win7
(assuming you can get the drivers your computer needs)
or go along with Win10. Have you tried Thunderbird?


Yes. Before I stumbled on the Runasxp site some years back. I tried several
and didn't like any of them. WindowsMail and OE6 are easy and fast to set up
and worked well for our needs. I'm technologically challanged so always look
for something easy to install and use.


Personally I sympathize with you. I use OE on XP for simple
reasons: I'm used to it, it does what I need, and it doesn't
get in the way. I have a Win7 computer, but I mostly just
use it for testing software and as a sacrificial lamb when
I need to sacrifice security and privacy online. Even 7 is
intrusive compared to XP. If I had to switch from OE I'd
use TBird. It's also what I set up for friends who need help.
It's free. It works. It's not too different from OE. There's
no other clear option that I'm aware of.

The process of switching to TBird is awkard. It doesn't
directly import email but instead imports it as a ridiculous
and clunky sub-branch. And the settings are poorly designed.
TBird also gets in the way trying to be helpful. It tries
hard not to let you set up your own email account.


Then it hasn't changed much over the years. The other email software I tried
was not at all intuitive either.


But with some work you can migrate your OE email and
I think you'll find TBird is serviceable.
One tool that might be useful:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/und...atest/download

Undbx will extract each email from a DBX database file.
As single EML files you can then drag/drop or import
those into a TBird account directly. TBird, fortunately, uses
a simpler system. The TBird email storage is a plain text file.
Easy to back up. Easy to parse. Once you get the settings
straight and get your email moved over it should work almost
the same way as OE.
There are a handful of problems, but workable: I don't
think there's any purely text-based option, as there is in
OE. (HTML email is unsafe, un-private and unnecessary.)
The outbound SMTP server settings are in a completely
different place from the inbound POP settings. Things like
that. On the other hand, TBird is also more up-to-date and
provides conveniences like blocking remote images from
loading inline by default.

But before you do anything, if you don't want to lose
your email, make sure to back up the folder with the
DBXs in it. It should be buried down in the App Data
catacombs, under your personal "user account".


When the updates removed OE6 to the desktop, yes removed the folder from
Programs (x86). I found the folder on the desktop near the recycle bin.
Saved email was still in it. I only had that LT for a few weeks so there
wasn't much saved. I could reinstall it but it wouldn't connect to the gmail
server. MS really messed it up.

I think it's time I look seriously at Macs. Maybe they have a demo in one of
the stores here. I don't like the fact we buy the PC and don't own what's in
it, MS does, that's a serious turnoff.





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Old March 11th 18, 06:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 16:53:40 +0000, Good Guy, thunk thusly:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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On 11/03/2018 16:46, Brick wrote:
That bug doesn't affect me for some reason, but my email requirements don't
include archiving or anything else that important.


So why not just use a WebMail? With webMail you don't have to worry
about backups of your mail. You need a client for Newsgroup only unless
you use Google Groups which I believe you don't like because Google is
spying on you. There are many nutters here who think they are so
important that Corporations like Microsoft and Google would waste
valuable time and resources spying on them.


I don't like webmail for my main email.
I do use webmail for hotmail and gmail, but they are throw away addys.
The phone uses my main email, and Windows Live Mail is where I retain or
permenantly delete from home.

I'm using a newsgroup client.


Are you the same Brick who once said that taking drugs is normal for you
when using a Windows System? We get all sorts here.


I don't think so.

/--- This email has been checked for viruses by Windows Defender
software.
//https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/comprehensive-security/


Phew, we're safe.

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Old March 11th 18, 06:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"HB" wrote

| I could reinstall it but it wouldn't connect to the gmail
| server. MS really messed it up.
|
That might be a different issue. Different servers
vary in terms of what they support. Google is somewhat
militant. I don't know the specifics with them, but there
could be a problem with protocols. OE can only support
older, now defunct, versions of SSL, now TLS, for
email encryption. If gmail no longer support unencrypted
email then that could be the problem.

| I think it's time I look seriously at Macs. Maybe they have a demo in one
of
| the stores here. I don't like the fact we buy the PC and don't own what's
in
| it, MS does, that's a serious turnoff.
|

Part of what MS are doing is inspired by Apple, so
be careful. The whole idea of the Microsoft Store and
of limiting user control of the system come from Apple.
Apple makes $1 billion/year, last I heard, from selling
music alone through iTunes. MS see that and they
drool. They're moving very gradually toward an idea
of rental and/or ad-supported software. You see ads
in Windows. You buy stuff at their store. (MS gets
a 30% cut of any software you buy through them.)
You use their services. That's what their aiming for.
They want you to think of your computer as a kiosk
interface to shop and be entertained.

Apple have developed a reputation for
stability and ease of use. They've achieved that by
locking down the system, blocking access to both
hardware and the OS. That also allows them to price
gouge. They decide you don't need floppies... or CDs...
or DVDs... or the "old" kind of cable... and that's that.
You're out of luck. Then they'll charge you through the
nose for the new stuff.
(They actually designed their own custom, irregular
5-pointed-drive screws at one point, so that no one
would have tools to take apart their products. And
many of their laptops are 0-maintenance, encased in
glue resin on the inside. By contrast, I've been building my
own computers for the past 20 years. Windows runs on
generic hardware. As does Linux.)

Macs are good if you don't do much and have money
to burn. They're especially good for non-techie people.
Many of the people I know who switched did it mostly
because they just didn't want to have to figure out
security issues on Windows.

In short, Apple is the AOL of the computer world.
They charge a premium and that buys you a simpler,
managed system. Another kind of walled garden.
As with AOL, things like privacy are not an issue because
the customer base trusts them to manage their devices.

On the pro side it's very pretty and usually stable.
On the con side it's wildly overpriced and restrictive.

You might want to talk to people who do what you
do, but on Macs. I often find that the people who say
Macs are much better turn out to be running Windows
in a VM to use their old software. There's something wrong
when the computer you choose can't run the software
you use. No one should *need* to use a VM. And that's
another big expense. As I understand it, running Windows
on a Mac will only work with the Pro version. An extra
hundred dollars and an indefensible limitation.

But if you're tired of spending time on tech, and don't
mind the cost, and what you want to do is mostly
online, media, email, etc, then you might prefer a Mac.

One other point: It's a bit like Invasion of the Body
Snatchers. You don't have to become an AppleSeed
to use Macs, but most converts do become irrational,
partisan, pod people eventually. It's something about
the marketing, the charisma of Lord Jobs, and the
appeal of being a conformist who dreams of "thinking
different". You might feel pressured to visit your
local Apple Church regularly, for services or to talk
the the pleasant geniuses, or just to buy more stuff.
Because that's what AppleSeeds do. They buy more
Apple stuff. (Did you think it was nutty college students
who camp out to have their wallet vacuumed in exchange
for a new phone they don't need? No. Those are the
"normal" AppleSeeds.


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Old March 11th 18, 06:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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HB wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message
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HB wrote:
"wg_2002" wrote in message
news On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell
MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.
It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always
choose
another alternative.
What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games
created to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created
for windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing
software my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac
or other system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.

You can run a VM (virtual machine).

You'll need a WinXP license to use.

While Microsoft offered "XP Mode", a 500MB download
with a copy of WinXP inside, that was intended for Win7 users,
and the same methods don't work in Win10. The "Windows Virtual PC"
(related to VPC2007), a 20MB download, used to host "XP Mode".
But, Microsoft was careful to prevent "Windows Virtual PC"
from running on Win10. And the Hyper-V that does run on
Windows 10, doesn't have any special support for XP Mode.
Since Hyper-V is a bit of a pudge (needs SLAT/EPT),
we use VirtualBox instead. This is a product financed
by Oracle/Sun.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

If the Virtual PC method had worked, it would have been perfectly
free (in some strained sense of the word free).

To succeed at this today, you need one of:

1) A license key. A Retail license key from a PC you no longer
use, could be re-purposed for the job.

2) Use a hack to activate the WinXP virtual machine.

You'll also benefit from having a WinXP installer CD.
You use that to put a copy of Windows into the VM
environment, or use it to repair the VM if it's corrupted
or something.

WinXP then runs inside a "window" on your screen. Outlook
Express would then be a window within that "window".
Kinda like Russian dolls.

In terms of RAM usage, the reasonable bare minimum is a
machine with 2GB of RAM. That's a good start. I run VMs
on this machine, and it's got 8GB (still not a very big
machine). I've had as many as three (older) VMs running
on this machine at the same time. Win98SE would run with
256MB. WinXP would run with 512MB. The more modern OSes
will run with 1GB or more.

I even run a Win10 VM on this machine, but that really needs
more CPU cores to speed things up.

Paul


Thanks Paul. It's over my head. Setting something like that up. The laptop
in question has 8 GBs of RAM and a 1 TB HD. I have no idea where I'd get
the keys (or a hack) since those old PCs are long gone and their info with
them.



You start at the beginning.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

VirtualBox 5.2.8 platform packages

Windows hosts = https://download.virtualbox.org/virt...121009-Win.exe

After that one is installed, you can download this one.
Double-clicking this one, because you accepted the file extensions
that VirtualBox likes to use, this file triggers the
starting of VirtualBox, and it adds things such as passthru USB
support (so a USB scanner can be seen from inside the Guest OS).

https://download.virtualbox.org/virt...8.vbox-extpack

Before you become a whiz kid at VMs, you can start
with an Appliance. Microsoft offers these, for free.
They have no license key. The grace period (like with
normal licensing matters) is 30 days, with up to 3
re-arms (if they haven't used up the re-arms on purpose).

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-u...vms/#downloads

Select the VM you want to play with (for the purposes of
seeing what a VM is like).

IE8 on Win7 (x86)

Select the Platform. Because you installed VirtualBox, use...

VirtualBox

The ZIP file offered, will be on the order of 4GB in size.
Don't use an OS with a FAT32 C: drive, because of the danger
the downloaded file will be too big. Your existing machine
with its NTFS C: drive, won't have a problem with it.

https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/V...VirtualBox.zip

Inside there is a .ova. If you double-click the .ova,
VirtualBox should open and agree to unpack it. If you
accept the defaults, a new entry should appear in the
left hand side of the VirtualBox setup screen.

Double-clicking that, would start the virtual machine running.
The Microsoft password is "Passw0rd!" for the IEUser account.

The window might open at 1024x768 or so. If inside the
Guest OS, you use the Display control panel, you can
request a different size, and make the "window" containing
the OS larger. Grabbing the corner of a VirtualBox window
doesn't always work the best. And asking the VM to make
its own window larger works OK.

Inside the Guest, you use the menus like you always did.

It will take a little getting used to, to occasionally
need to use a hot key for something. You need one of the
keys to make the mouse "escape" from the Guest OS window.
One of my tools uses "right-control" key, another uses
"Alt" key for this. You'll get the hang of that after
a while.

And in the usual place, you can select shutdown in the
Guest, and it will stop running.

There are lots of other details that are important
in VirtualBox, but that's a "5GB trial run" for you :-)

*******

The appliance for WinXP is not offered for download any more
on the Microsoft site. It seems to be in archive.org but
they're not giving it to me :-) :-) I find it unbelievable
that the CDN at Microsoft got archived. You'd think there
was a norobots file on it. The checksum by the way, is of
the copy I've got. I don't have a working download today
to compare it to.

IE8.XP.For.Windows.VirtualBox.zip
1,229,679,520 bytes
SHA256: 0613AD942B46DCB9C83CA44644F7D4961606389C85C149FCB3 AC59169DCFAEE5

https://web.archive.org/web/20151013...VirtualBox.zip

Paul
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Old March 11th 18, 06:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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I use this to run OE6:

https://sites.google.com/site/simple...look-express-6

Once and a while after Microsoft updates I have to reinstall it. It only
takes a couple of minutes. Hopefully if it stops again Microsoft has not
done something that will not let me reinstall. I use this on both Windows
10 32 bit and 64 bit.

Bill

HB wrote:
....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now
I have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the
hell MS would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone
on this group must know how to stop these updates.



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Old March 11th 18, 06:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 11 Mar 2018 16:09:34 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


Indeed! Classic example of shooting the messenger, instead of blaming
Microsoft for not providing an alternative for Outlook Express / Windows
Mail.




I disagree that Microsoft should be blamed, for several reasons.

1.Windows 10 *does* come with an alternative to Outlook
Express/Windows Mail. The mail program that comes with Windows is
essentially an upgraded version of Outlook Express. I personally think
it's a poor choice, but it is a choice.

2. Many people thought Outlook Express was a poor choice. I never
thought it was a very good choice, but I didn't think it was as
terrible as many people thought. On the other hand I thought Windows
Mail was a poor choice

3. Windows Live Mail is another choice. I also think that's a poor
choice, but it too is a choice.

4. Outlook.exe (part of Microsoft Office) is still another choice.
It's not free, but it's available, and in my view it's a decent
choice.

5. The web-based Outlook.com is still another choice

6. Although most versions of Windows have come with an e-mail program,
as far as I'm concerned, there's no particular reason why they should.
Sending and receiving e-mail is not an operating system function, and
there's no more reason for Windows to come with one than there is for
Windows to come with a spreadsheet program, database program, etc.

7. Regardless of whether or not Microsoft provides an e-mail program
with Windows, there are lots of third-party e-mail programs available,
many of them free, and many better than what comes with Windows.

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Old March 11th 18, 07:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 17:11:12 -0000 (UTC), Brick
wrote:

I don't like webmail for my main email.



Good! as far as I'm concerned, webmail is far and away the worst way
to do e-mail.


I do use webmail for hotmail and gmail, but they are throw away addys.




Are you aware that using web-mail for them is not necessary? You can
access them with your e-mail client. Doing so is not only a better
way, but it lets you get all your mail in a single place.
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Old March 11th 18, 07:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2018-03-11, HB wrote:
Where would I start? This looks way beyond what I can handle without
screwing up the new laptop.


First things you need are a Windows XP license key and the matching
type of XP installation CD. To stay legal you would need to use a retail
edition of XP. (However, I have seen where people have used an OEM edition
with the key salvaged from a dead XP computer and it worked and activated
OK. Of course I would never suggest that anyone actually do such a thing
since it violates Microsoft's licensing.)

Then you have your choice of virtualization software. The one I'm
most familiar with is Virtualbox (virtualbox.org) which is free
for noncommercial use. You create the new virtual machine with
the desired amount of memory and storage, install XP, and then
install the Virtualbox guest software for seamless operation.

Here's a tutorial, there are plenty of others around as well:

http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-1...irtualbox.html

Needless to say you need enough memory and disk space to allocate to the
virtual machine but that's seldom a problem on modern hardware, especially
for Windows XP whose requirements are minimal by today's standards.

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Old March 11th 18, 07:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 11:02:05 -0700, Ken Blake, thunk thusly:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 17:11:12 -0000 (UTC), Brick
wrote:

I don't like webmail for my main email.



Good! as far as I'm concerned, webmail is far and away the worst way
to do e-mail.


I do use webmail for hotmail and gmail, but they are throw away addys.




Are you aware that using web-mail for them is not necessary? You can
access them with your e-mail client. Doing so is not only a better
way, but it lets you get all your mail in a single place.


Yeah, but I haven't bothered
By throw away, I usually logon, scan the senders, mark all for deletion.
I use them for companies like Advance Auto and Lego.

Just how often do they think I need to buy Legos'?

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Old March 11th 18, 07:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 16:40:54 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Brick wrote:
On 11 Mar 2018 16:09:34 GMT, Frank Slootweg, thunk thusly:
HB wrote:
"wg_2002" wrote in message
news On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work
anymore. So now I have a laptop I can't use for email. I
don't understand why the hell MS would give a &^%$ that
someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED
on us. Our choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry.
Someone on this group must know how to stop these updates.

It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to
pasture just like the OS that is shipped with. If you do not
care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always choose
another alternative.

What other alternative is there where the kids can play their
games created to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design
software created for windows, or music editing software my son
uses, the image editing software my daughter uses... all this
software would be useless on a Mac or other system. And we all
used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.

Indeed! Classic example of shooting the messenger, instead of blaming
Microsoft for not providing an alternative for Outlook Express / Windows
Mail.

I run Windows Live Mail on Windows 10, so that's an option.


If you can stand the bugs [1] in Windows Live Mail.


What, more than OE?


Yep. Hard to believe, heh!? :-) Well, to be [f]F]rank, no so much more
bugs, but different ones. Some others coming to mind are mixing up
Contacts and Address Book and (also) fsck-ing up the structure of
imported mail folders.

I couldn't, so I 'switched' to Thunderbird (see my horror story on
that).

[1] No, I don't remember them all. Too long ago. But - for me - there
were too many. IIRC, the final straw was WLM not removing old messages
from the (POP) server.

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Old March 11th 18, 08:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Ken Blake wrote:
On 11 Mar 2018 16:09:34 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games
created to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software
created for windows, or music editing software my son uses, the
image editing software my daughter uses... all this software would
be useless on a Mac or other system. And we all used OE6 and
WindowsMail before that.


Indeed! Classic example of shooting the messenger, instead of blaming
Microsoft for not providing an alternative for Outlook Express / Windows
Mail.


I disagree that Microsoft should be blamed, for several reasons.


Ah, disagreement! What *would* NetNews be without it! :-)

So on with it, let me trash each and every one of your reasons!

But seriously, I will just give my view on and response to your
points. Happy reading!

1.Windows 10 *does* come with an alternative to Outlook
Express/Windows Mail. The mail program that comes with Windows is
essentially an upgraded version of Outlook Express. I personally think
it's a poor choice, but it is a choice.


Is it anything other than the Mail app which came with Windows 8.1?

If not, then I don't consider it to be an alternative, because it's
totally different and offers no migration/import part from OE/WM.

If it is totally different from the Windows 8.1 Mail app, then it's
too late, because WM died with Vista.

2. Many people thought Outlook Express was a poor choice. I never
thought it was a very good choice, but I didn't think it was as
terrible as many people thought. On the other hand I thought Windows
Mail was a poor choice


This is not about MUA *choices*, it's about Microsoft not providing
a migration path for its *existing* users.

Microsoft's users had OE or WM. Microsoft did not provide a migration
part when WM died with Vista.

3. Windows Live Mail is another choice. I also think that's a poor
choice, but it too is a choice.


See my other response. WLM is bug-ridden, bordering on unuseable.

*If* WLM would be a realistic migration path, I would still be on it.

4. Outlook.exe (part of Microsoft Office) is still another choice.
It's not free, but it's available, and in my view it's a decent
choice.


Outlook is totally different from OE/WL/WLM. It is *not* a migration
path. Trust me, I know. I've used Outlook for many.many years during my
professional life.

5. The web-based Outlook.com is still another choice


Webmail!? Go wash your mouth boy! :-)

6. Although most versions of Windows have come with an e-mail program,
as far as I'm concerned, there's no particular reason why they should.
Sending and receiving e-mail is not an operating system function, and
there's no more reason for Windows to come with one than there is for
Windows to come with a spreadsheet program, database program, etc.


All true, but Windows *did* come with an e-mail program for many, many
years (decades?) and hence Microsoft should provide its gigantic user
base with *some* decent kind of migration path, but they didn't.

To be specific: If they would fix WLM, I would have no issue. But they
can't be bothered. After all, what's a few hundred million of users in
the grand scheme of things!? :-(

7. Regardless of whether or not Microsoft provides an e-mail program
with Windows, there are lots of third-party e-mail programs available,
many of them free, and many better than what comes with Windows.


See my earlier arguments. It's about a migration path.
 




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