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Proof email has been read
Is it possible to get proof an email has been read?
I have no read receipt capability. thanks, Andy I can get proof I sent it by sending a BCC copy to myself. |
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Proof email has been read
On Thu, 24 May 2018 17:13:50 -0700 (PDT), Andy
wrote: Is it possible to get proof an email has been read? Yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_receipt But only a crazy person would want that in his email client. Imagine the email spambots getting data saying this or that message had been read (sign of interest) or deleted unread (flagged as uninterested). I'd just ask the recipient to acknowledge he/she had received it. Or even phone them, if it was important. You could use the spam trick. Embed an image with an unique URL in the body, and if the OP does not block loading images, you'd get a hit when he/she opened the message. e.g. http://yourserver.com/john_doe/nice_cat222.png Wouldn't stand up in court though. []'s I have no read receipt capability. thanks, Andy I can get proof I sent it by sending a BCC copy to myself. -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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Proof email has been read
On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 7:40:23 PM UTC-5, Shadow wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2018 17:13:50 -0700 (PDT), Andy wrote: Is it possible to get proof an email has been read? Yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_receipt But only a crazy person would want that in his email client. Imagine the email spambots getting data saying this or that message had been read (sign of interest) or deleted unread (flagged as uninterested). I'd just ask the recipient to acknowledge he/she had received it. Or even phone them, if it was important. You could use the spam trick. Embed an image with an unique URL in the body, and if the OP does not block loading images, you'd get a hit when he/she opened the message. e.g. http://yourserver.com/john_doe/nice_cat222.png Wouldn't stand up in court though. []'s I have no read receipt capability. thanks, Andy I can get proof I sent it by sending a BCC copy to myself. -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 Could you give more details on embedding an image with a url? Thanks. |
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Proof email has been read
In message , Andy
writes: On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 7:40:23 PM UTC-5, Shadow wrote: On Thu, 24 May 2018 17:13:50 -0700 (PDT), Andy wrote: Is it possible to get proof an email has been read? [] You could use the spam trick. Embed an image with an unique URL in the body, and if the OP does not block loading images, you'd get a hit when he/she opened the message. [] Could you give more details on embedding an image with a url? Thanks. Basically, you embed a unique link, in your email, to an image (the image doesn't have to be unique, only the link - i. e. all the links can link to the same image). It does rely on the recipient having his email client set to retrieve online images when embedded in emails though; a lot of people turn that off, either specifically to frustrate such checking, or because some companies abuse it. There's at least one company that will provide such monitoring - free for home use; my blind friend uses it. Unfortunately I can't remember the name of the company (it had mail in it!); their window and tray icon looked like a medical capsule. The disadvantage of using such a service is that they can collect data on all your emails, so if you're paranoid about that, you can't use them. Basically, it just adds a line that looks like "### has informed the sender that this email has been read" to the end of your outgoing emails, where ### is a link to a little image of an envelope with the company's name on it; if the recipient has left the fetching of embedded emails turned on, then when they read the email, when their client fetches the little logo, the monitoring company's server registers their fetch, and emails you to tell you they've read it. Of course, as well as needing them to have fetching images left on and the concerns about snooping, all it tells you is that the email has been _opened_; it doesn't tell whether the recipient actually _read_ it (or read all of it)! (For that reason alone, what another has said - that it wouldn't hold up in court - holds.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Santa's elves are just a bunch of subordinate Clauses. |
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Proof email has been read
Il giorno Fri 25 May 2018 02:13:50a, *Andy* ha inviato su
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general il messaggio news:314d64ec-8794-4e4f- . Vediamo cosa ha scritto: Is it possible to get proof an email has been read? in Italy we have PEC https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posta_...ca_certificata https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certified_email it works and is valid only if both sender and recipient are using PEC PEC is mandatory for all companies, not for private users -- /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ T /-\ -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- - -=- http://www.bb2002.it ............ [ al lavoro ] ........... |
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Proof email has been read
Il giorno Fri 25 May 2018 08:59:16a, *Ammammata* ha inviato su
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general il messaggio . 67.112. Vediamo cosa ha scritto: in Italy we have PEC also Switzerland and Hong Kong have something similar -- /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ T /-\ -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- - -=- http://www.bb2002.it ............ [ al lavoro ] ........... |
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Proof email has been read
Andy,
Is it possible to get proof an email has been read? *Proof* ? No. Why ? Because it depends on cooperation of the email-reader of the recipient. My email reader for example does not support it (and if it would I would have disabled it. :-) ). I have no read receipt capability. That feature would just just enable you to include a *request* for read confirmation. It in no way can force it (see above). I can get proof I sent it by sending a BCC copy to myself. Proof of what ? Not that the recipient has read your message, thats for sure. You see, It just confirms that the (SMTP) server (owned by your ISP ?) you send your email to has received it. It does not even guarantee that the message will even reach the recipients (POP3/IMAP/other) server. Think of it this way: You have a package that you are dropping off at the postal office, and you get a slip indicating they accepted the package. Does that proof that whomever you addressed the package to received it ? I don't think so. :-) As for the "trick" to send HTML-ed mail including a(n invisible) picture thats hosted on a server you control (and someone requesting that picture shows the person has opened your message) ? That also depends on the recipients email reader cooperating. For example, I read my mails text-only. That means that I could read your message without making you any wiser to that fact ... Besides, being able to detect an embedded image having been loaded does not proof that the message itself has actually been read. Anti-virus/malware/etc programs anyone ? (which could easily prefetch resources, and depending on the contents even quarantine, or even downright delete messages) tl;dr: No. It is not possible to generate any kind of (dependable) proof that an email message you send has actually been read. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 3:24:55 AM UTC-5, R.Wieser wrote:
Andy, Is it possible to get proof an email has been read? *Proof* ? No. Why ? Because it depends on cooperation of the email-reader of the recipient. My email reader for example does not support it (and if it would I would have disabled it. :-) ). I have no read receipt capability. That feature would just just enable you to include a *request* for read confirmation. It in no way can force it (see above). I can get proof I sent it by sending a BCC copy to myself. Proof of what ? Not that the recipient has read your message, thats for sure. You see, It just confirms that the (SMTP) server (owned by your ISP ?) you send your email to has received it. It does not even guarantee that the message will even reach the recipients (POP3/IMAP/other) server. Think of it this way: You have a package that you are dropping off at the postal office, and you get a slip indicating they accepted the package. Does that proof that whomever you addressed the package to received it ? I don't think so. :-) As for the "trick" to send HTML-ed mail including a(n invisible) picture thats hosted on a server you control (and someone requesting that picture shows the person has opened your message) ? That also depends on the recipients email reader cooperating. For example, I read my mails text-only. That means that I could read your message without making you any wiser to that fact ... Besides, being able to detect an embedded image having been loaded does not proof that the message itself has actually been read. Anti-virus/malware/etc programs anyone ? (which could easily prefetch resources, and depending on the contents even quarantine, or even downright delete messages) tl;dr: No. It is not possible to generate any kind of (dependable) proof that an email message you send has actually been read. Regards, Rudy Wieser Thanks Rudy for the info. Andy |
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