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  #46  
Old February 3rd 04, 03:41 PM
H Leboeuf
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Scrolling issues also confirmed to be fixed by this previous post.

From: "The PocketTV Team"
Subject: KB832894 patch fixes IE6 double-scroll bug
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:49:04 -0800
Organization: PocketTV - http://www.pockettv.com

FYI:

MS just fixed the double-scroll bug in their latest IE6 patch, released
today (KB832894).

see
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tre...n/MS04-004.asp

This bug fix is not documented in the patch information, but this latest
patch
silently fixes the double-scroll bug introduced in the Q824145/K824145
"update".
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"kurttrail" wrote in message
...
Robert Moir wrote:

snipped on both ends

If I thought they were waiting to include it in a roll-up fix then I
would/will agree with you. I've not seen anything pointing to that
myself, I'm assuming that fixing this is more trouble than it
appeared at first and they've had to go back to it a couple of times.



http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tre...n/MS04-004.asp

Well they waited to fix it to included in a IE cumulative patch! You
guys should really learn to listen to me!

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  #47  
Old February 3rd 04, 11:03 PM
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H Leboeuf wrote:

Scrolling issues also confirmed to be fixed by this previous post.

From: "The PocketTV Team"
Subject: KB832894 patch fixes IE6 double-scroll bug
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:49:04 -0800
Organization: PocketTV - http://www.pockettv.com

FYI:

MS just fixed the double-scroll bug in their latest IE6 patch,
released today (KB832894).

see

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tre...n/MS04-004.asp

This bug fix is not documented in the patch information, but this
latest patch
silently fixes the double-scroll bug introduced in the Q824145/K824145
"update".


shaking head

And they didn't document it. I guess the extra paragraph would have cut
into their bottom line!

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  #48  
Old March 26th 04, 04:22 AM
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Microsoft doesn't make only one OS.

WinXP has a different oleaut32.dll than Win2k than Win9x than
DOS. Point in case, Microsoft has gone the route of selling 20
operating systems all different in many ways, all similar in many
ways. A global attack on Windows machines won't affect every
Microsoft OS and probably won't even touch DOS.

Being that DOS IS a variation of Unix whats the difference? That
DOS uses a backslash and Unix uses a forward slash?

I'm just being stupid by posting to this message, but I think I have
a somewhat unobtrusive point to present.

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"kurttrail" wrote in message
...
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

Kurt;
Stay with your facts.


I did, notice that I was quoting myself.

I never even suggested "one big target of an OS" is the way to go.


You were disputing my arguement that MS's monopoy OS is what is the biggest
security hole for the general public by blaming the general public.

Those are your words and ideas.


Which you were trying to dispute by blaming the victims, rather than the
delivery system of being locked into one big fat target of a Desktop OS.

You seem to need to falsely put statements to others in order to
support your ideas.


No, I trying to actually get you to confront my ideas, instead of doing the
side-step shuffle to protect your Masters.

To bad you can not support your point on its own merit.


I already have, it's you that have not support any contrary point the
dimishes my opinion in the slightest bit.

Furthermore you start to name calling.


What else could you be called when you only answer that most inconsequential
part of my post, and leave the meat of it untouched? That's exactly the
tactics of a troll.

Name calling is strong evidence that you lack the ability to support
your own point of view.


My point has been proved, and only the MicroDeafDumb&Blind can't see it.
MS's desktop OS monopoly is the biggest security risk for the general public
today, because that one giant-assed target can't help from getting hit.

It's a hell of a lot easier to hit one bird with one stone, than two birds
with one stone. I have common sense on my side, you have only your
unwavering devotion to MS to back you up.

Thank you!

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  #49  
Old March 26th 04, 03:21 PM
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"Jim Carlock" wrote:

Microsoft doesn't make only one OS.


WinXP has a different oleaut32.dll than Win2k than Win9x than
DOS. Point in case, Microsoft has gone the route of selling 20
operating systems all different in many ways, all similar in many
ways. A global attack on Windows machines won't affect every
Microsoft OS and probably won't even touch DOS.


MS currently sells XP Home, XP Pro and Server 2003. I'm not sure
whether they are currently selling Win2000 (but I don't think so).
That's far fewer than 20 operating systems. A global attack on any MS
system will affect *many, many* computers. How many has Blaster hit?
No, it won't affect DOS, but how many computers use DOS anymore?


Being that DOS IS a variation of Unix whats the difference? That
DOS uses a backslash and Unix uses a forward slash?


DOS is in some ways a pale imitation of Unix. But DOS cannot be said
to be a variation of Unix, there are HUGE differences. Unix was built
to be a multi-user OS to be run on quite large machines. DOS was built
to run on tiny computers that would have all they could do to handle a
single user. They have very little in common.

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  #50  
Old March 26th 04, 04:06 PM
Alun Jones [MS MVP]
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In article , Tim Slattery wrote:
MS currently sells XP Home, XP Pro and Server 2003. I'm not sure
whether they are currently selling Win2000 (but I don't think so).
That's far fewer than 20 operating systems. A global attack on any MS
system will affect *many, many* computers. How many has Blaster hit?
No, it won't affect DOS, but how many computers use DOS anymore?


And yet, and yet, and yet... How big of an effect has Blaster had on the
world? Sure it's caused some significant expenditure on cleanup, but for
the most part, trains have continued to run, airplanes are still flying,
life-support monitors are still running, but Jim down the road can't get
Solitaire to work, because his machine's too busy sending worm-seed through
his ADSL line.

A focussed, terrorist attack on Windows would need to be orders of magnitude
more successful in order to merit anything more than "oh, great, another
dateless zit-pocked teenager has found out how to run a root kit".

Alun.
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Old March 26th 04, 04:06 PM
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"Alun Jones [MS MVP]" wrote in message
m...

A focussed, terrorist attack on Windows would need to be orders of
magnitude
more successful in order to merit anything more than "oh, great, another
dateless zit-pocked teenager has found out how to run a root kit".


LOL I love this; can I quote you? G

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  #52  
Old March 26th 04, 05:21 PM
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In article , "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote:
"Alun Jones [MS MVP]" wrote in message
om...

A focussed, terrorist attack on Windows would need to be orders of
magnitude
more successful in order to merit anything more than "oh, great, another
dateless zit-pocked teenager has found out how to run a root kit".


LOL I love this; can I quote you? G


Please do. Quite frankly, I'm more bored by the tedium of the "wave of
worms" than frightened by the threat. There's nothing interesting,
technically speaking, about any of the new worms. It's just antisocial
tosspots who have nothing better to do than try to spray paint their names
on walls around the world - except their mums won't let them buy spray paint
for fear that they'll sniff it and kill off their one remaining brain cell.
So they do the next best thing - send out a bunch of email versions of a
Turing test, to see whether anyone's having a "stupid moment" that renders
them incapable of "running it to see what it does".

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  #53  
Old March 26th 04, 08:01 PM
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Jim Carlock wrote:

Microsoft doesn't make only one OS.

WinXP has a different oleaut32.dll than Win2k than Win9x than
DOS. Point in case, Microsoft has gone the route of selling 20
operating systems all different in many ways, all similar in many
ways. A global attack on Windows machines won't affect every
Microsoft OS and probably won't even touch DOS.


Since more than half the machines out already aren't running w9x, the
one different file won't be mattering much.


Being that DOS IS a variation of Unix whats the difference? That
DOS uses a backslash and Unix uses a forward slash?

I'm just being stupid by posting to this message, but I think I have
a somewhat unobtrusive point to present.

--
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http://www.microcosmotalk.com/
Post replies to the newsgroup.


"kurttrail" wrote in
message ...
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

Kurt;
Stay with your facts.


I did, notice that I was quoting myself.

I never even suggested "one big target of an OS" is the way to go.


You were disputing my arguement that MS's monopoy OS is what is the
biggest security hole for the general public by blaming the general
public.

Those are your words and ideas.


Which you were trying to dispute by blaming the victims, rather than
the delivery system of being locked into one big fat target of a
Desktop OS.

You seem to need to falsely put statements to others in order to
support your ideas.


No, I trying to actually get you to confront my ideas, instead of
doing the side-step shuffle to protect your Masters.

To bad you can not support your point on its own merit.


I already have, it's you that have not support any contrary point the
dimishes my opinion in the slightest bit.

Furthermore you start to name calling.


What else could you be called when you only answer that most
inconsequential part of my post, and leave the meat of it untouched?
That's exactly the tactics of a troll.

Name calling is strong evidence that you lack the ability to support
your own point of view.


My point has been proved, and only the MicroDeafDumb&Blind can't see
it. MS's desktop OS monopoly is the biggest security risk for the
general public today, because that one giant-assed target can't help
from getting hit.

It's a hell of a lot easier to hit one bird with one stone, than two
birds with one stone. I have common sense on my side, you have only
your unwavering devotion to MS to back you up.

Thank you!

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  #54  
Old March 26th 04, 08:23 PM
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E McCann wrote:

Can we cut out the crossposts?


Yes, but they can be added right back. There is nothing intriscally
wrong with cross-posting.


BTW, I'd put money down you wouldn't find oleaut32.dll in DOS.... DOS
has no DLLs, for starters. It doesn't support object linking and
embedding (OLE,) and it's not 32 bit...





"Jim Carlock" wrote in message
...
Microsoft doesn't make only one OS.

WinXP has a different oleaut32.dll than Win2k than Win9x than
DOS. Point in case, Microsoft has gone the route of selling 20
operating systems all different in many ways, all similar in many
ways. A global attack on Windows machines won't affect every
Microsoft OS and probably won't even touch DOS.

Being that DOS IS a variation of Unix whats the difference? That
DOS uses a backslash and Unix uses a forward slash?

I'm just being stupid by posting to this message, but I think I have
a somewhat unobtrusive point to present.

--
Jim Carlock
http://www.microcosmotalk.com/
Post replies to the newsgroup.


"kurttrail" wrote in
message ...
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

Kurt;
Stay with your facts.


I did, notice that I was quoting myself.

I never even suggested "one big target of an OS" is the way to go.


You were disputing my arguement that MS's monopoy OS is what is the
biggest security hole for the general public by blaming the general
public.

Those are your words and ideas.


Which you were trying to dispute by blaming the victims, rather than
the delivery system of being locked into one big fat target of a
Desktop OS.

You seem to need to falsely put statements to others in order to
support your ideas.


No, I trying to actually get you to confront my ideas, instead of
doing the side-step shuffle to protect your Masters.

To bad you can not support your point on its own merit.


I already have, it's you that have not support any contrary point the
dimishes my opinion in the slightest bit.

Furthermore you start to name calling.


What else could you be called when you only answer that most
inconsequential part of my post, and leave the meat of it untouched?
That's exactly the tactics of a troll.

Name calling is strong evidence that you lack the ability to support
your own point of view.


My point has been proved, and only the MicroDeafDumb&Blind can't see
it. MS's desktop OS monopoly is the biggest security risk for the
general public today, because that one giant-assed target can't help
from getting hit.

It's a hell of a lot easier to hit one bird with one stone, than two
birds with one stone. I have common sense on my side, you have only
your unwavering devotion to MS to back you up.

Thank you!

--
Peace!
Kurt
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  #55  
Old March 26th 04, 08:23 PM
kurttrail
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Alun Jones [MS MVP] wrote:

In article , Tim Slattery
wrote:
MS currently sells XP Home, XP Pro and Server 2003. I'm not sure
whether they are currently selling Win2000 (but I don't think so).
That's far fewer than 20 operating systems. A global attack on any MS
system will affect *many, many* computers. How many has Blaster hit?
No, it won't affect DOS, but how many computers use DOS anymore?


And yet, and yet, and yet... How big of an effect has Blaster had on
the
world? Sure it's caused some significant expenditure on cleanup, but
for
the most part, trains have continued to run, airplanes are still
flying,
life-support monitors are still running, but Jim down the road can't
get
Solitaire to work, because his machine's too busy sending worm-seed
through
his ADSL line.

A focussed, terrorist attack on Windows would need to be orders of
magnitude
more successful in order to merit anything more than "oh, great,
another
dateless zit-pocked teenager has found out how to run a root kit".

Alun.


I agree, but that doesn't mean that there won't be a zero-day bug
sometime soon. That day will be a horrible mess, the day that patch &
computer nasty is released in the same day.

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  #56  
Old March 27th 04, 02:21 PM
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kurttrail wrote:

Alun Jones [MS MVP] wrote:

In article , Tim Slattery
wrote:
MS currently sells XP Home, XP Pro and Server 2003. I'm not sure
whether they are currently selling Win2000 (but I don't think so).
That's far fewer than 20 operating systems. A global attack on any
MS system will affect *many, many* computers. How many has Blaster
hit? No, it won't affect DOS, but how many computers use DOS
anymore?


And yet, and yet, and yet... How big of an effect has Blaster had on
the
world? Sure it's caused some significant expenditure on cleanup, but
for
the most part, trains have continued to run, airplanes are still
flying,
life-support monitors are still running, but Jim down the road can't
get
Solitaire to work, because his machine's too busy sending worm-seed
through
his ADSL line.

A focussed, terrorist attack on Windows would need to be orders of
magnitude
more successful in order to merit anything more than "oh, great,
another
dateless zit-pocked teenager has found out how to run a root kit".

Alun.


I agree, but that doesn't mean that there won't be a zero-day bug
sometime soon. That day will be a horrible mess, the day that patch &
computer nasty is released in the same day.


http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5180482.html

2 days between patch release and the nasties release. It was a lucky thing
that it wasn't a MS hole. If you haven't noticed, things are speeding up
and a Zero-day bug is just a few years down the bend, if we're lucky. The
mono-culture of the Microsoft desktop is just too big a target to be missed,
eventually someone is gonna hit the bulls-eye. So we, as a society that
security-conscious at present, can do one of two things, find ways to break
up the mono-culture to distribute the threat amongst may targets, or bunker
up at the MicroAlamo, and wait to be overrun.

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  #57  
Old March 27th 04, 02:41 PM
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kurttrail wrote:

2 days between patch release and the nasties release. It was a lucky
thing that it wasn't a MS hole.


http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm005-mc/

'GreyMagic started work on this issue with Microsoft on 11-Mar-2004. They
have quickly confirmed our findings and were able to produce a fix less than
two days later. As a result, Hotmail is no longer vulnerable to this method
of exploitation.
All attempts to contact Yahoo unfortunately failed. Mail was sent to
security and secure at yahoo.com and at yahoo-inc.com, no replies were
received to date. '

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  #58  
Old March 27th 04, 03:41 PM
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Sandi - Microsoft MVP wrote:

kurttrail wrote:

2 days between patch release and the nasties release. It was a lucky
thing that it wasn't a MS hole.


http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm005-mc/

'GreyMagic started work on this issue with Microsoft on 11-Mar-2004.
They have quickly confirmed our findings and were able to produce a
fix less than two days later. As a result, Hotmail is no longer
vulnerable to this method of exploitation.
All attempts to contact Yahoo unfortunately failed. Mail was sent to
security and secure at yahoo.com and at yahoo-inc.com, no replies were
received to date. '


And your point is? What does that have similar to a what a Zero-Day bug
would do explointing a flaw in MS OSs, where most people wouldn't be aware a
flaw, a patch, and a bug already existed. MS got Hotmail protected in two
days. Congratulations are in order, but some day soon, a Zero-Day bug is
inevitable, and if the target is MS's OSs, and we haven't attempted to break
up the mono-culture of the MS desktop, the consequences will be global in
its impact. A wise society doesn't put all its eggs in one basket, because
you risk breaking all those eggs with one careless step.

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  #59  
Old March 27th 04, 06:44 PM
Alun Jones [MS MVP]
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In article , "kurttrail"
wrote:
2 days between patch release and the nasties release. It was a lucky thing
that it wasn't a MS hole. If you haven't noticed, things are speeding up
and a Zero-day bug is just a few years down the bend, if we're lucky. The
mono-culture of the Microsoft desktop is just too big a target to be missed,
eventually someone is gonna hit the bulls-eye. So we, as a society that
security-conscious at present, can do one of two things, find ways to break
up the mono-culture to distribute the threat amongst may targets, or bunker
up at the MicroAlamo, and wait to be overrun.


"How shall we f- off, oh master?" - Monty Python's Life of Brian.

You know that if you were to persuade the world to drop the monoculture and
disperse, they would ask you _which_ solution to disperse to, and would ask
you to direct them to one. They'd get peeved if you gave them a choice.

"Yes, we are all individuals." - Crowd, Monty Python's Life of Brian.

Monoculture is a fact, and always will be. Poor Microsoft, they're stuck
with being the monoculture of choice today. It used to be IBM. Who knows -
maybe a few years down the road, it'll be someone else.

Alun.
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