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Microsoft Gives MVP Award to Adware Pusher
An anonymous reader writes "Ed Bott reports that Microsoft has given an MVP
(Most Valuable Professional Award) to an individual known for peddling Adware via his Messenger Plus program." From the article: "So how did a guy whose primary business involves installing adware become an MVP? That's what Christopher Boyd, a Microsoft Security MVP better known as Paperghost wants to know. Boyd isn't the only MVP who has a history with Patchou. Sandi Hardmeier, a current MVP in the Internet Explorer category who specializes in the fight against malware, has written three long, angry pages about the messy adware that 'sponsors' Patchou's product." http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/10/06/222209.shtml Imhotep |
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Microsoft Gives MVP Award to Adware Pusher
This really has nothing whatsoever to due with security,
which is the proper topic for posts to the massive list of newsgroups you selected. Please attempt to stay on-topic, and to xpost only when (and where) appropriate. Roger -- Roger Abell Microsoft MVP (Windows Server : Security) "imhotep" wrote in message ... An anonymous reader writes "Ed Bott reports that Microsoft has given an MVP (Most Valuable Professional Award) to an individual known for peddling Adware via his Messenger Plus program." From the article: "So how did a guy whose primary business involves installing adware become an MVP? That's what Christopher Boyd, a Microsoft Security MVP better known as Paperghost wants to know. Boyd isn't the only MVP who has a history with Patchou. Sandi Hardmeier, a current MVP in the Internet Explorer category who specializes in the fight against malware, has written three long, angry pages about the messy adware that 'sponsors' Patchou's product." http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/10/06/222209.shtml Imhotep |
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Microsoft Gives MVP Award to Adware Pusher
Adware is a computer security concern, and it is questionable why Microsoft
gave an MVP title to this person... Imhotep Roger Abell [MVP] wrote: This really has nothing whatsoever to due with security, which is the proper topic for posts to the massive list of newsgroups you selected. Please attempt to stay on-topic, and to xpost only when (and where) appropriate. Roger |
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Microsoft Gives MVP Award to Adware Pusher
"imhotep" wrote in message
... Adware is a computer security concern, and it is questionable why Microsoft gave an MVP title to this person... Imhotep Roger Abell [MVP] wrote: This really has nothing whatsoever to due with security, which is the proper topic for posts to the massive list of newsgroups you selected. Please attempt to stay on-topic, and to xpost only when (and where) appropriate. Roger FollowUp-To ignored. Newsgroups reinstated. Since that's where the OP decided his post was proper, that is where reader's of THOSE groups should be able to see replies to his post that he spewed all over the place. microsoft.public.security obviates having to xpost to subgroups, like: microsoft.public.security.homeusers. If you post to the parent group, don't also xpost to the child groups. Once you add to a node in the tree, don't go spewing into subnodes. An anonymous user writes. We care about someone that hides? You believe every journalist? Could be he's right, maybe not. Rather than rely on some post by an anonymous user claiming someone else said something, why didn't you provide the URL to the professed article. The anonymous post says, "From the article" but then provides no proof that such an article exists. Slashdot? Geez, get real. User-submitted "news" that isn't qualified or provable nor even bothers to attempt to identify the source. Uh huh. Slashdot is reknown for its haphazard editorial style. Slashdot's "news" is always suspect simply because of the source, especially those that don't even bother to qualify or provide references. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/ Users shouldn't have to go Google for the source and hope to find it. |
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Microsoft Gives MVP Award to Adware Pusher
"imhotep" wrote in message ... An anonymous reader writes "Ed Bott reports that Microsoft has given an MVP (Most Valuable Professional Award) to an individual known for peddling Adware via his Messenger Plus program." From the article: "So how did a guy whose primary business involves installing adware become an MVP? That's what Christopher Boyd, a Microsoft Security MVP better known as Paperghost wants to know. Boyd isn't the only MVP who has a history with Patchou. Sandi Hardmeier, a current MVP in the Internet Explorer category who specializes in the fight against malware, has written three long, angry pages about the messy adware that 'sponsors' Patchou's product." http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/10/06/222209.shtml Imhotep FYI, Microsoft has revoked his MVP award. See http://www.cio.com:80/blog_view.html?CID=25601 -- Colin Nash Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User |
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Microsoft Gives MVP Award to Adware Pusher
Leythos wrote:
In article , says... Adware is a computer security concern, and it is questionable why Microsoft gave an MVP title to this person... Imhotep Roger Abell [MVP] wrote: This really has nothing whatsoever to due with security, which is the proper topic for posts to the massive list of newsgroups you selected. Please attempt to stay on-topic, and to xpost only when (and where) appropriate. Roger Fixed improper use of Follow-up Try using a complaint news client... |
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Microsoft Gives MVP Award to Adware Pusher
Vanguard wrote:
"imhotep" wrote in message ... Adware is a computer security concern, and it is questionable why Microsoft gave an MVP title to this person... Imhotep Roger Abell [MVP] wrote: This really has nothing whatsoever to due with security, which is the proper topic for posts to the massive list of newsgroups you selected. Please attempt to stay on-topic, and to xpost only when (and where) appropriate. Roger FollowUp-To ignored. Newsgroups reinstated. Since that's where the OP decided his post was proper, that is where reader's of THOSE groups should be able to see replies to his post that he spewed all over the place. microsoft.public.security obviates having to xpost to subgroups, like: microsoft.public.security.homeusers. If you post to the parent group, don't also xpost to the child groups. Once you add to a node in the tree, don't go spewing into subnodes. An anonymous user writes. We care about someone that hides? You believe every journalist? Could be he's right, maybe not. Rather than rely on some post by an anonymous user claiming someone else said something, why didn't you provide the URL to the professed article. The anonymous post says, "From the article" but then provides no proof that such an article exists. Did you even try to read the article???? Right from the article there are three links, including the link that spawned the discussion. Here, I will hold your hand and submit it here for you ( http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/index.php?p=153 ) So, are you implying that MS DID NOT give a MVP to Mr. Paciullo??? Are you implying that this is a lie? Slashdot? Geez, get real. User-submitted "news" that isn't qualified or provable nor even bothers to attempt to identify the source. BS!!!!! The articles posted there DO contain a link to the originating article. YOU JUST DID NOT TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT!!! As for slash dot, it is a far better source of information than this news group ever will be... Uh huh. Slashdot is reknown for its haphazard editorial style. Not at all. People post articles much like they do here and comment on them as people do here...again, slashdot is a far better resource for technical issues than this newsgroup is and ever will be. Slashdot's "news" is always suspect simply because of the source, What source? The user community???? especially those that don't even bother to qualify or provide references. Again, there are ALWAYS references to articles. If you had read the article you *would* have seen it.... Look, I do not care if you like slashdot or not, but if you are determined to criticize at least get your facts straight.... http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/ Users shouldn't have to go Google for the source and hope to find it. Funny, this exact link *WAS* included in the slashdot article I posted. "An anonymous reader writes "Ed Bott reports that Microsoft has given an MVP (Most Valuable Professional Award) to an individual known for peddling Adware via his Messenger Plus program." See how "known for peddling Adware" has a different color than the rest of the text. It is because it is a link and yes, to the link that "makes users search Google for the source and hope to find it".... Please take the time to at least read before you criticize (and look foolish)... Imhotep |
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Microsoft Gives MVP Award to Adware Pusher
Leythos wrote:
In article , says... Adware is a computer security concern, and it is questionable why Microsoft gave an MVP title to this person... Imhotep Roger Abell [MVP] wrote: This really has nothing whatsoever to due with security, which is the proper topic for posts to the massive list of newsgroups you selected. Please attempt to stay on-topic, and to xpost only when (and where) appropriate. Roger Fixed improper use of Follow-up ....Would you not be better off to fix your newsclient.... |
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Microsoft Gives MVP Award to Adware Pusher
Leythos wrote:
In article , says... Leythos wrote: In article , says... Adware is a computer security concern, and it is questionable why Microsoft gave an MVP title to this person... Imhotep Roger Abell [MVP] wrote: This really has nothing whatsoever to due with security, which is the proper topic for posts to the massive list of newsgroups you selected. Please attempt to stay on-topic, and to xpost only when (and where) appropriate. Roger Fixed improper use of Follow-up ...Would you not be better off to fix your newsclient.... Why don't you properly post replies, there is no problem with my client, it shows your improperly posted replies fine. Improper Follow-Up corrected. Funny my works fine with Followup-to/without followup-to. In fact it works all of the time....funny eh? Change your newsclient to one that is fully complaint and you won't have to post the bogus statement of "Improper Follow-Up corrected"...either way, it is gives me a good laugh.... Im |
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Microsoft Gives MVP Award to Adware Pusher
It has everything to do with security. At least it made me aware of the
payload in this program, which I'm glad it did, so I won't waste my time trying it. |
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Microsoft Gives MVP Award to Adware Pusher
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imhotep typed: snip Try using a complaint news client... Interesting typo - I think "complaint" is actually the issue here. Dude, your 'follow up' setting *does* cause problems - if, that is, you actually want people to reply to your posts, in the groups to which you originally posted, so that everyone can actually *read* them. If you don't, why on earth do you post to them? Given that you evidently believe yourself unique where "properly configured news clients" are concerned, if you're trying to post information for the rest of us with vastly *inferior* news clients, wouldn't you want to ensure that everyone got a chance to read the replies? If you're just posting for your own amusement, and don't care about that, you might find better hobbies. You write intelligently, and I often find your posts interesting. However, the value of the contents is often obscured by the packing material. |
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Microsoft Gives MVP Award to Adware Pusher
Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] wrote:
In , imhotep typed: snip Try using a complaint news client... Interesting typo - I think "complaint" is actually the issue here. Yes, it was a type-o...funny one though... Dude, your 'follow up' setting *does* cause problems - Listen, this statement is not true. I do not have problems when people use this technique...I have not tested other newsclients so I can not comment further... if, that is, you actually want people to reply to your posts, in the groups to which you originally posted, so that everyone can actually *read* them. If you don't, why on earth do you post to them? As I stated before. The problem I had was poeple were replying incorrectly to a post that I sent to numerous groups. They would reply to one but not all. Frequently, I did not read the reply for many days later. Now, I do not have time to checkout every newsgroup like I used to. There are just to many. So, I set the Followup-to to a group that I do check frequently. Now, if you are replying but not to me, set your headers any way you wish.... Given that you evidently believe yourself unique where "properly configured news clients" are concerned, if you're trying to post information for the rest of us with vastly *inferior* news clients, wouldn't you want to ensure that everyone got a chance to read the replies? If I can read *your* replies I am pretty sure *other* people can too... If you're just posting for your own amusement, and don't care about that, you might find better hobbies. Whatever You write intelligently, and I often find your posts interesting. However, the value of the contents is often obscured by the packing material. Listen, I can honestly say that what I am doing is perfectly "legal" in the sense of the protocol. I can honestly say, that it *should* work on your and everyone else's newsclients... Why don't one of you try to describe the problem so at least I understand what your problem is? See, this whole "issue" started by a couple of people accusing me of using a broken newsreader, etc, etc. Now, fair is fair, if anyone starts a conversation with such rudeness I am really not going to take them very seriously, especially when it *is* their newsclient after all... Im |
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Microsoft Gives MVP Award to Adware Pusher
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imhotep typed: Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] wrote: In , imhotep typed: snip Try using a complaint news client... Interesting typo - I think "complaint" is actually the issue here. Yes, it was a type-o...funny one though... Dude, your 'follow up' setting *does* cause problems - Listen, this statement is not true. I do not have problems when people use this technique...I have not tested other newsclients so I can not comment further... One writes to communicate, no? And a good communicator uses techniques designed for the audience in question. This is not a software issue. It's to do with the way you are *using* your software. Gawd, you know that most of the people you're going to be interacting with in these newsgroups are probably not even using a newsreader, they're using the awful CDO interface. Whether you like it or not, this is a fact....and So, if you want to get the message to them, so they can learn something, you need to send your posts in a manner that they will actually be able to follow. When I want to reply to one of your messages, it's annoying to have to go in to your original message & copy & paste the group names in to my new message....that's the core issue here. You're annoying people with this technique and it has no benefit to anyone, except you - and I can't even see the true benefit to you, myself. if, that is, you actually want people to reply to your posts, in the groups to which you originally posted, so that everyone can actually *read* them. If you don't, why on earth do you post to them? As I stated before. The problem I had was poeple were replying incorrectly to a post that I sent to numerous groups. They would reply to one but not all. Well, that's their problem! You're not making things any better. Frequently, I did not read the reply for many days later. Now, I do not have time to checkout every newsgroup like I used to. There are just to many. So, I set the Followup-to to a group that I do check frequently. But many people do not subscribe to that group. And in fact, it may not even be carried on the news servers they're using. I don't think this is an appropriate use of 'followup to'. If you want to stick to one group, stick to one group. Otherwise, Now, if you are replying but not to me, set your headers any way you wish.... Why would I want to do anything other than reply to the thread in all the groups to which you posted it? Given that you evidently believe yourself unique where "properly configured news clients" are concerned, if you're trying to post information for the rest of us with vastly *inferior* news clients, wouldn't you want to ensure that everyone got a chance to read the replies? If I can read *your* replies I am pretty sure *other* people can too... Right. I'm manually copying and pasting the group names into my message....so *everyone* who is following this in any of the groups *you* chose to post to, can read the same thing. If you're just posting for your own amusement, and don't care about that, you might find better hobbies. Whatever Oh, come on, that's the response of a twelve year old. You're better than that! You write intelligently, and I often find your posts interesting. However, the value of the contents is often obscured by the packing material. Listen, I can honestly say that what I am doing is perfectly "legal" in the sense of the protocol. "Just because you *can* doesn't mean you *should,* as some wag once noted. I can honestly say, that it *should* work on your and everyone else's newsclients... Dude, you are not getting it. Your "followup to" *does* work properly in the literal sense. In that, when someone replies to one of your posts, their client dutifully follows *your* settings, and wants to send said reply only to that one group. That is not the issue. The issue is, when you post to multiple groups, it is presumed that's because you want to cast a wide net - and I would hope that would cover replies, as well. If the rest of us want to reply in what seems a perfectly logical manner (i.e., to all the groups *you* chose), why should you make more work for us by making us copy and paste the list of *original* groups into our clients? Why don't one of you try to describe the problem so at least I understand what your problem is? Does the above make it any clearer? See, this whole "issue" started by a couple of people accusing me of using a broken newsreader, etc, etc. I don't think your newsreader is broken. Now, fair is fair, if anyone starts a conversation with such rudeness I am really not going to take them very seriously, especially when it *is* their newsclient after all... This is not a technological issue; it's a behavioral one. Pax, LW Im |
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Microsoft Gives MVP Award to Adware Pusher
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Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] ahoo.com typed: snip Sorry for any sentence fragments in my previous post - I was doing eighteen things simultaneously and hit 'send' before I stopped to proofread. I think the gist of it is clear enough, though! |
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