HotMail Troubles

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , micky
writes:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:27:33 -0700, OldGuy wrote:
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How do I read the headers to see what else I might need to know. I
mean interpreting the actual header contents.

I don't know. I just use the email provisions of my ISP and I use POP
mail. I may change to IMAP. That still shows the headers, doesn't it?

Yes, as Micky says, just fetch the email with a proper email prog.,
_not_ via webmail (if you're using a browser to see it, you're using
webmail); virtually all proper email prog.s have a means of viewing the
full header (in Turnpike, it's just Ctrl-H; I don't know for Thunderbird
and the others. In Outlook Express and Outlook it's very far from
obvious, but can be done). If there isn't a way, or you can't find it,
just export (may be called save) the email, and look at it in Notepad or
similar text handler, where you will see the header.

I did hear on the radio today or yesterday about Tru.... an encrypter
that doesn't require the other party to have a decrypter, and it worked

How does that work then - how does the recipient decrypt the email?

(on a per email basis) as a plug-in to Firefox, and Chrome, only via a
web interface. That, and being on someone else's computer, like the
public library or a friend's, are reasons to use the web interface.

How worried should I be?

Is it time to drop Hotmail and Live.com and use a different eMail
provider?

Yahoo?
GMail?
Who?

People who use free email for their business, IMO, risk looking cheap
and unsuccessful to their customers and potential customers. All
things being equal, if I had three choices, a company with free email,
a company with paid email, or a company with its own domain (as cheap as
that is) I'd go with the last, and if that wasn't a choice, the one with
paid email.

I'd certainly go with you on trusting the user with a free one least
(and some free providers less than others); not sure about the others,
though - I'd have to decide how I "feel" looking at their website and so
on; sometimes I'd be _more_ suspicious of ones with their own domain, as
I _might_ feel they've set up something to mislead me. (And - assuming
when you say "paid email" you mean an address at an ISP, like mine - I'd
feel that the chance of obtaining details, should it come to that, might
be, albeit only fractionally, easier).

And then there was the problem of someone I knew who used pay Netzero,
but no one could tell that he was paying. If he was going to pay
anyhow, his company should have used an email provider that must be
paid.

For personal use, I don't react that strongly

Indeed.

I also tend to assume that people using free email or webmail only are
newbies. Even if they've been online 10 or 15 years, that's not 20, and
it makes them seem inexperienced, though again, for personal use that's
not important.

Agreed again.

Get my own?

Don't you already have an ISP which provides one or more POP addresses?
I think of hotmaiil etc. as one way to have another address to use when
one wants to keep his identity secret. And I approve of that, but I
also like it that someone I hadn't communicated with for 10 years
emailed me at the same address I've had for 15. People with free email
seem to change addresses much more often.

Yup (-:!


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(I take it that you can't suppress that, in return for free provision.)

Fyi...Outlook.com (fka Hotmail, fka HoTMaiL) has the ability to view a
message's source/headers. In fact, its present since MSFT may request
the headers based on feedback submitted to .


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In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 15:28:40 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I don't know. I just use the email provisions of my ISP and I use POP
mail. I may change to IMAP. That still shows the headers, doesn't it?

Yes, as Micky says, just fetch the email with a proper email prog.,
_not_ via webmail (if you're using a browser to see it, you're using
webmail); virtually all proper email prog.s have a means of viewing the
full header (in Turnpike, it's just Ctrl-H; I don't know for Thunderbird
and the others. In Outlook Express and Outlook it's very far from
obvious, but can be done). If there isn't a way, or you can't find it,
just export (may be called save) the email, and look at it in Notepad or
similar text handler, where you will see the header.

AFAIK, any e-mail client (including a browser) will provide a way to
view the post's source, i.e., in raw mode. In that view the headers are
visible.

So one could try that if all else fails.

A browser that includes an email handling suite (like some versions of
Netscape), yes, if only by saving/exporting the email to a file which
you then look at with Notepad. If you're reading your email via a web
interface ("webmail"), then what options are available are up to the
provider of the web interface; I'd hesitate to say that they all offer a
full-header (or raw text) view.
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 09:16:00 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

AFAIK, any e-mail client (including a browser) will provide a way to
view the post's source, i.e., in raw mode. In that view the headers are
visible.

So one could try that if all else fails.

A browser that includes an email handling suite (like some versions of
Netscape), yes, if only by saving/exporting the email to a file which
you then look at with Notepad. If you're reading your email via a web
interface ("webmail"), then what options are available are up to the
provider of the web interface; I'd hesitate to say that they all offer a
full-header (or raw text) view.

I just looked at two e-mail online readers.

Yahoo doesn't provide a command (that I can find) to view source but it
*does* provide a view headers command.

Google mail doesn't provide a command (that I can find) to view text or
to view headers, so I was wrong to trust my memory. I'm really going to
need bullet proof shoes at this rate...

Looking at Help, I see that Google lets you "Show original", but only if
the mail is open, which isn't quite what I would want...

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:34:18 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

Yahoo doesn't provide a command (that I can find) to view source but it
*does* provide a view headers command.

Isn't it the browser that provides the 'View source' command, right
click on the contents and it's in the menu?

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In message t.me.uk,
Rodney Pont writes:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:34:18 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

Yahoo doesn't provide a command (that I can find) to view source but it
*does* provide a view headers command.

Isn't it the browser that provides the 'View source' command, right
click on the contents and it's in the menu?

That will view the source HTML that is making the web interface you're
looking at - things like putting "Subject:" in bold, if it does - it
won't send any instructions to the web server to show you headers.
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 07:32:29 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Yahoo doesn't provide a command (that I can find) to view source but it
*does* provide a view headers command.

Isn't it the browser that provides the 'View source' command, right
click on the contents and it's in the menu?

That will view the source HTML that is making the web interface you're
looking at - things like putting "Subject:" in bold, if it does - it
won't send any instructions to the web server to show you headers.

I wasn't talking about headers since Gene said there was a view headers
link.

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 07:57:04 +0100 (BST), Rodney Pont wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 07:32:29 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Yahoo doesn't provide a command (that I can find) to view source but it
*does* provide a view headers command.

Isn't it the browser that provides the 'View source' command, right
click on the contents and it's in the menu?

That will view the source HTML that is making the web interface you're
looking at - things like putting "Subject:" in bold, if it does - it
won't send any instructions to the web server to show you headers.

I wasn't talking about headers since Gene said there was a view headers
link.

But John is correct.

View source or Ctrl-u shows the whole page, not the e-mail.

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)