HotMail Troubles

I'd certainly recommend getting your own domain.
That gives you a website to play with and as many
email addresses as you like. Just make sure that the
host you choose really has email. Some sub out to
Google or other 3rd-party companies. If you get a
cheapo webhost you're back in the same boat as you're
in with Hotmail: Trying to get something for nothing
doesn't pay off in the end.

I recently got an address at inbox.com, which I have
for things where I really don't want to be known and
don't expect to actually check the account. It was
the only service that didn't require a "real" email address
to identify me. I think it used to be that most of the
freebie webmail services would let you sign up with false
info or anonymously, but the name of the game these
days is spying on you in order to sell you to advertisers.
The online services want to be sure of who you are and
know as much as possible about you. One can't really blame
them. They gave you email for free, after all. There's no
reason to think they wouldn't figure out a way to extract
payment. So now in order to get a freebie webmail address
you have to give them a real email address.

Another option is to just pay a couple dollars per month
for real email from an honest service. (You have to admit,
neither you nor Microsoft has been fully honest. You hope
to get what you need without paying. They hope to pick
your pocket while you're grabbing the freebie. That's how
freebie services work.)

I have a domain, which give me numerous addresses for
various things. It also allows me to make up temporary
addresses. A lot of companies adopt an attitude that if
you give them your email address you want spam. Yet
a lot of them also demand an email address when doing
business. Sometimes in those cases I'll make up a temporary
address. For instance, Harvey Industries insisted on
having an email address to order storm doors. They just
"had to have it" so they could send me the price quote.
Then of course they started spamming me. For something
like that I might create Harvey1@mydomain, then delete
it after the storm door order comes in, so that
they can't spam me.

Moron...

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OldGuy OldGuy spamfree.com wrote:

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From: OldGuy OldGuy spamfree.com
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Subject: HotMail Troubles
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John Doe was thinking very hard :
OldGuy OldGuy spamfree.com wrote:

An alternate email address allows access to your account in case
you lose track of your password. Lots of websites use that method.
Nothing sinister about it.


WRONG! Your eMails on another account are on another account for a
reason. Many folks forget what they did on that other account years
ago. Now they are linked! So now information that you do not want
cross pollinated is. i.e. business with personal. e.g. you have a
lawsuit related to one or the other, personal or business, guess what ,
if it was personal, they can now easily trace to your business and
those assets. I will not let that happen. Make it as difficult as
possible for the thieves.

That's what you need to figure out. Someone else has access to
your computer? Computing while intoxicated? The main question to
ask about those emails is "What motive?" The idea that your
account was used innocently is extremely strange, unless it's
something you have control over.

NONE of the above!

I am thinking that some server broke and cross linked stuff. Not
impossible. Or worse, some hacker is re-plumbing internet traffic, very
doable if you know how.



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OldGuy wrote:
On 2014-07-23 1:27 PM, OldGuy wrote:
[...]
Is it time to drop Hotmail and Live.com and use a different eMail
provider?

Yes.

Your ISP probably provides e-mail service. If so, use it.

If you want to be anon then your ISP eMail is poorest.

I see you are using servers in Hong Kong, Zürich, and routing your
cross-posted posts through Russia. I can't imagine any of that
as being secure. Doing that will more than likely make you a
target of multiple government agencies.

On 23/07/2014 23:36, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

I see you are using servers in Hong Kong, Z�rich, and routing your
cross-posted posts through Russia. I can't imagine any of that
as being secure. Doing that will more than likely make you a
target of multiple government agencies.


And you think by looking at headers of a newsgroup post you can work
this out. God should help you.

Good Guy wrote:
On 23/07/2014 23:36, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

I see you are using servers in Hong Kong, Z�rich, and routing your
cross-posted posts through Russia. I can't imagine any of that
as being secure. Doing that will more than likely make you a
target of multiple government agencies.


And you think by looking at headers of a newsgroup post you can work
this out. God should help you.

If I were the GOV and saw Mixmaster bounces, nym shifting, hiding U/A
and posting host, I would be curious and want to find out more.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:27:33 -0700, OldGuy wrote:

1) signed in to on-line Hotmail and was warned that in a few days I
would be REQUIRED to provide more personal information. either a phone
number or an alternate eMail address. They say to protect me. HA HA!
I know that linking accounts means they can get lots more profile info
on people. More invasion! IOP = invasion of privacy. so IOP Out.
lol

2) I saw in my on-line sign-in that there was ONE email sent from my
account that I did NOT send.

I signed out.

I signed in through my PC Windows Live Mail and found that there was a
different Sent message that I did not send.

Both eMails looked very innocent. I looked carefully.

How do I read the headers to see what else I might need to know. I
mean interpreting the actual header contents.

How worried should I be?

Is it time to drop Hotmail and Live.com and use a different eMail
provider?

Yahoo?
GMail?
Who?

Get my own?

Doesn't your ISP provide an e-mail service?

Recent "improvements" to Gmail and Yahoo have made them almost unusable. I got
my own, using Horde. Not quite as good as Yahoo used to be around 1998, but
much better than it is now.


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On 2014-07-23, Good Guy wrote:




"OldGuy" wrote in message ...


Yahoo?
GMail?
Who?

Get my own?


Getting your own domain and create your own email addresses is a very good
idea but you also need to consider the cost of hosting the email somewhere.

You can host it on any internet connection that allows you to open
port 25 to the world. dyn.com or noip.com (etc.) will give you a free
subdomain if you ask.

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umop apisdn


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On 26 Jul 2014 21:59:38 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:

Good Guy stated that it was expensive, I was offering a solution to
that.

Don't waste your time on that guy or to John Doe.

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s|b

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 20:13:40 +0100, "Good Guy"
wrote:


even landlines have text facilities these days.

Yikes.

I finally have phones I like and I'm not buying new telephones.

I'd be willing to send a text or receive one from the computer.

On 08/14/2014 02:02 PM, micky wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 20:13:40 +0100, "Good Guy"
wrote:


even landlines have text facilities these days.

Yikes.

I finally have phones I like and I'm not buying new telephones.

I'd be willing to send a text or receive one from the computer.



All of the cell phone carriers have the capability to send text messages
online. All you have to do is send an email addressed to the phone
number of your choice, ie1425476543@Whateveristhe addressforthatcarrier.
This site gives you the right address for each of the major carriers

http://www.wikihow.com/Text-Message-Online

If they reply to you you will receive it as an email.

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Caver1

On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:53:28 -0400, Caver1 wrote:

On 08/14/2014 02:02 PM, micky wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 20:13:40 +0100, "Good Guy"
wrote:


even landlines have text facilities these days.

Yikes.

I finally have phones I like and I'm not buying new telephones.

I'd be willing to send a text or receive one from the computer.



All of the cell phone carriers have the capability to send text messages
online. All you have to do is send an email addressed to the phone
number of your choice, ie1425476543@Whateveristhe addressforthatcarrier.
This site gives you the right address for each of the major carriers

http://www.wikihow.com/Text-Message-Online

If they reply to you you will receive it as an email.

Thanks. I'll check it out.

In message , micky
writes:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:53:28 -0400, Caver1 wrote:

On 08/14/2014 02:02 PM, micky wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 20:13:40 +0100, "Good Guy"
wrote:


even landlines have text facilities these days.

Yikes.

I finally have phones I like and I'm not buying new telephones.

I'd be willing to send a text or receive one from the computer.



All of the cell phone carriers have the capability to send text messages
online. All you have to do is send an email addressed to the phone
number of your choice, ie1425476543@Whateveristhe addressforthatcarrier.
This site gives you the right address for each of the major carriers

http://www.wikihow.com/Text-Message-Online

If they reply to you you will receive it as an email.

Thanks. I'll check it out.

It does give the addresses, but at great length, and pretending to be 13
different methods, whereas in fact it's the same method, just listed as
different for the different continents (and it thinks you need to put +1
in front of the number for one of the methods - which I suspect only
works for USA/Canada where the dialling code _is_ +1). Its list for
Europe is woefully inadequate (only one UK carrier, for example), so I
am guessing its other lists are too.

However, if the person you're trying to text _does_ use one of the
carriers listed, it'll serve. (But I suspect there must be better - and
less long-winded! - lists.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

A good pun is its own reword.

In message , micky
writes:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:27:33 -0700, OldGuy wrote:
[]
How do I read the headers to see what else I might need to know. I
mean interpreting the actual header contents.

I don't know. I just use the email provisions of my ISP and I use POP
mail. I may change to IMAP. That still shows the headers, doesn't it?

Yes, as Micky says, just fetch the email with a proper email prog.,
_not_ via webmail (if you're using a browser to see it, you're using
webmail); virtually all proper email prog.s have a means of viewing the
full header (in Turnpike, it's just Ctrl-H; I don't know for Thunderbird
and the others. In Outlook Express and Outlook it's very far from
obvious, but can be done). If there isn't a way, or you can't find it,
just export (may be called save) the email, and look at it in Notepad or
similar text handler, where you will see the header.

I did hear on the radio today or yesterday about Tru.... an encrypter
that doesn't require the other party to have a decrypter, and it worked

How does that work then - how does the recipient decrypt the email?

(on a per email basis) as a plug-in to Firefox, and Chrome, only via a
web interface. That, and being on someone else's computer, like the
public library or a friend's, are reasons to use the web interface.

How worried should I be?

Is it time to drop Hotmail and Live.com and use a different eMail
provider?

Yahoo?
GMail?
Who?

People who use free email for their business, IMO, risk looking cheap
and unsuccessful to their customers and potential customers. All
things being equal, if I had three choices, a company with free email,
a company with paid email, or a company with its own domain (as cheap as
that is) I'd go with the last, and if that wasn't a choice, the one with
paid email.

I'd certainly go with you on trusting the user with a free one least
(and some free providers less than others); not sure about the others,
though - I'd have to decide how I "feel" looking at their website and so
on; sometimes I'd be _more_ suspicious of ones with their own domain, as
I _might_ feel they've set up something to mislead me. (And - assuming
when you say "paid email" you mean an address at an ISP, like mine - I'd
feel that the chance of obtaining details, should it come to that, might
be, albeit only fractionally, easier).

And then there was the problem of someone I knew who used pay Netzero,
but no one could tell that he was paying. If he was going to pay
anyhow, his company should have used an email provider that must be
paid.

For personal use, I don't react that strongly

Indeed.

I also tend to assume that people using free email or webmail only are
newbies. Even if they've been online 10 or 15 years, that's not 20, and
it makes them seem inexperienced, though again, for personal use that's
not important.

Agreed again.

Get my own?

Don't you already have an ISP which provides one or more POP addresses?
I think of hotmaiil etc. as one way to have another address to use when
one wants to keep his identity secret. And I approve of that, but I
also like it that someone I hadn't communicated with for 10 years
emailed me at the same address I've had for 15. People with free email
seem to change addresses much more often.

Yup (-:!


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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

A good pun is its own reword.

On 08/16/2014 10:06 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , micky
writes:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:53:28 -0400, Caver1 wrote:

On 08/14/2014 02:02 PM, micky wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 20:13:40 +0100, "Good Guy"
wrote:


even landlines have text facilities these days.

Yikes.

I finally have phones I like and I'm not buying new telephones.

I'd be willing to send a text or receive one from the computer.



All of the cell phone carriers have the capability to send text messages
online. All you have to do is send an email addressed to the phone
number of your choice, ie1425476543@Whateveristhe addressforthatcarrier.
This site gives you the right address for each of the major carriers

http://www.wikihow.com/Text-Message-Online

If they reply to you you will receive it as an email.

Thanks. I'll check it out.

It does give the addresses, but at great length, and pretending to be 13
different methods, whereas in fact it's the same method, just listed as
different for the different continents (and it thinks you need to put +1
in front of the number for one of the methods - which I suspect only
works for USA/Canada where the dialling code _is_ +1). Its list for
Europe is woefully inadequate (only one UK carrier, for example), so I
am guessing its other lists are too.

However, if the person you're trying to text _does_ use one of the
carriers listed, it'll serve. (But I suspect there must be better - and
less long-winded! - lists.)


Yes there is. I don't remember the one that I used and this one was the
first one I found when replying to you. Sorry.
Here's the list I used;

Provider E-mail to SMS address format
3 River Wireless
Advantage Communications
AirVoice
Airtouch Pagers
Airtouch Pagers
Airtouch Pagers
Airtouch Pagers
AllTel
Alltel PCS
Alltel
Ameritech Paging
Arch Pagers (PageNet)
Arch Pagers (PageNet)
AT&T
Bell South (Blackberry)
Bell South Mobility
Bell South
Bell South
Bluegrass Cellular
Boost Mobile
Boost
CallPlus
Carolina Mobile Communications
Cellular One East Coast
Cellular One PCS
Cellular One South West
Cellular One West
Cellular One
Cellular One
Cellular One
Cellular South
Central Vermont Communications
CenturyTel
Cingular (GSM)
Cingular (TDMA)
Cingular Wireless
Cingular
Communication Specialists
Cook Paging
Corr Wireless Communications
Dobson Communications Corporation
Dobson-Alex Wireless / Dobson-Cellular One

Edge Wireless
GCS Paging
GTE
GTE
Galaxy Corporation
GrayLink / Porta-Phone
Houston Cellular
Inland Cellular Telephone
JSM Tele-Page
Lauttamus Communication
MCI Phone
MCI
Metro PCS
MetroPCS
Metrocall 2-way
Metrocall
Midwest Wireless
Midwest Wireless
Mobilecom PA
Mobilfone
Morris Wireless
Nextel
Nextel
Ntelos
Omnipoint
Omnipoint
OnlineBeep
PCS One
Pacific Bell
PageMart
PageOne NorthWest
Pioneer / Enid Cellular
Price Communications
ProPage
Public Service Cellular
Qualcomm
Qwest
RAM Page
ST Paging
Safaricom
Satelindo GSM
Satellink
Simple Freedom
Skytel Pagers
Skytel Pagers
Smart Telecom
Southern LINC
Southwestern Bell
Sprint PCS
Sprint
SunCom
Surewest Communications
T-Mobile
TIM
TSR Wireless
TSR Wireless
Teletouch
Telus
The Indiana Paging Co
Triton
US Cellular
USA Mobility
Unicel
Verizon PCS
Verizon Pagers
Verizon
Virgin Mobile
Virgin Mobile
WebLink Wireless
West Central Wireless
Western Wireless
Wyndtell

You can also send text pictures (mms), ie for
. They're all different so you will have to
find the ones you want.
I haven't found a list for mms yet.

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Caver1

On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 15:28:40 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I don't know. I just use the email provisions of my ISP and I use POP
mail. I may change to IMAP. That still shows the headers, doesn't it?

Yes, as Micky says, just fetch the email with a proper email prog.,
_not_ via webmail (if you're using a browser to see it, you're using
webmail); virtually all proper email prog.s have a means of viewing the
full header (in Turnpike, it's just Ctrl-H; I don't know for Thunderbird
and the others. In Outlook Express and Outlook it's very far from
obvious, but can be done). If there isn't a way, or you can't find it,
just export (may be called save) the email, and look at it in Notepad or
similar text handler, where you will see the header.

AFAIK, any e-mail client (including a browser) will provide a way to
view the post's source, i.e., in raw mode. In that view the headers are
visible.

So one could try that if all else fails.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)