No email on W-7

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:50:26 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

A few people use USP, for Usenet Service Provider, but that's much
less common than NSP.

I've never really seen either. For many years my newsgroup access came
from my ISP and they always included newsgroups*. That began going
away several years ago so now almost everyone has to have an ISP and a
separate provider for Usenet or do like most have done and abandon
Usenet. sigh

*Newsgroup access wasn't always from the ISP's own servers. sometimes
it was provided by another company such as Highwinds (UGH!) or ??? but
it was seamless for the users.

I'm going to go out on a long limb and make a guess that you guys who
haven't seen NSP (or USP) probably aren't very active in your NSP's
support newsgroup.

--

Char Jackson

Ken Blake wrote:

Yep! As I said, "although it's easy to build a computer (it's not
much more than plugging the components together; similar to
plugging together stereo components, but with a computer they are
inside the case) ..."

But as I also said at the end of that same sentence, "... it isn't
always easy to troubleshoot any problems you have building it."
And that's the main reason I don't do it.

I have a better reason and that's cost. I built all my own computers
until the last two when I discovered upgrading required a new
motherboard, new memory and new CPU to bring my box up to current
standards. I found a 'refurb' HP at frys.com for $500 which was less
than the price of CPU, MB and memory plus I got a new, larger HD and a
new DVD burner plus a warranty! An hour or so the burn the recovery
CDs and then the time required to format the HD and install my own OS
and software and I was up and running with a new machine that met
current specs (my old box was around 3 years obsolete.)

Best reason not to build your own? Between refurbs available from
Ebay, Frys, NewEgg, etc. etc. it's just plain cheaper!

Determine your CPU, amount of memory desired, etc. and start
searching...



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VanguardLH wrote in
:

RH Breener wrote:

There's no comparison between the ultra bloated WLM and
WM. CDs and DVDs are an improvement over 8-track tapes.
WLM is no improvement over WM. If most people were happy
with WLM, there wouldn't be so many websites devoted to
getting WL to work on W7.

Did Windows Mail have the Live integration features of
Windows Live Mail? WLM will integrate with Skydrive to let
you store files up there, like putting your attachments up
there and linking to them in your e-mail. That way, you
don't assault your recipients with huge-sized e-mails that
consume their bandwidth and disk space and they can decide
whether or not to go get your attachment.

That's what DropBox is for.

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in
:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:28:19 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:40:54 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 05:40:40 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:

I found it. Thank you. Of the two though, I think I'll
end up
using
Thunderbird if I can't get WM to work. I don't
understand why MS
doesn't
have it as a download since a lot of people don't seem
to like WLM
and are
looking for ways to get WM to work on their W7
computers.

It's a thing called progress. How many new cars sold
today come with a 8-track tape player?

What? Are you trying to say I can't get a car with an
8-track player?

If this is progress, I don't want any part of it!

In truth, I never owned an 8-track player. In fact I don't
remember ever even seeing one in action. No, I'm not too
young - I just traveled in underprivileged circles, I
guess...

When I was about 13, I salvaged a very nice (for its time)
Craig 8-track player and speakers from a wrecked car in
the local junk yard. I also salvaged a working car
battery. Tapes were also easy to find in the junk yard,
although the selection was somewhat limited.

I hooked everything up in my bedroom* and it worked
wonderfully to provide music, but I had to remember to
flip on the battery charger** every couple of days or the
Craig would find itself to muster the energy to change
tracks.

*Charging a car battery in a bedroom is not recommended
due to the explosive gas produced, but I didn't know that
then.

**The battery charger also came from the junk yard and was
not working when I brought it home, but its repair was
fairly simple.

Yes, it's true that my brothers and I spent an awful lot
of our time as kids in the city dump, but that place was
full of treasure just waiting to be rescued. It was a sad
day when the county brought in a bulldozer and covered it
up.

Interesting - and cool.

But be warned - that kind of experience has a significant
risk of turning a poor innocent kid into a tinkerer.

.......and the possible side effect to become a Linux user?

(A reference to a "tinkerer".)

However, I digress.....

I just purchased an under-dash 8-track player, although
admittedly, it is for my classic 1965 van. Tapes are still
easy to find, online, or fleamarkets/yard/garage sales.

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:30:21 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:46:27 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

[snip]

Even when you bought your pre-built, pre-configured computer, you didn't
do any research on it before purchasing it? Considering all the

Yup! It died Friday evening. My research was to find a place
open Saturday.

Unfortunately, the colour I like is no longer generally available
(beige). I dislike lightsucker, er, black.


Interesting how different we are in that respect. If you're talking
about a desktop, I don't care at all what color it is. There are three
desktops in this room (mine, my wife's, and a Windows Home Server).
All three are under desks and partially hidden. I can see that two of
them are beige and one black, but if you had asked me when I wasn't in
the room, I would have been lucky to guess two out of the three
correctly.

Even with laptops, where I would expect most people to care much more
about the color than with desktops, I hardly care at all (as long as
it isn't pink).

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:05:02 +0000 (UTC), Jordon
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:16:41 +0000 (UTC), Jordon
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:31:03 +0100, John Williamson
wrote:

Most, if not all news servers require you to have a valid
e-mail address to set up the account, and this address will
appear in the "from" portion of the headers. It often does
not have to exist for anything apart from setting up and
administering the account, and cen be deleted or changed at
any time.

Valid in *format* perhaps, but not necessarily valid in the
sense of existing. The address I use here )
does not exist, as far as I know.

You may have misread what he said. Most news providers require
a valid email address, only to set up an account. They send an
email to that account that you have to respond to in order to
validate the account.


You say "most," but as far as I can remember, I've never used
any that has done that. I use four news servers at the moment,
and over the years I've used about half a dozen (or more)
others.

You're using news.datemas.de?


Nope. I've never used it, and have never even heard of it. I assume
that's a German server, and I've never used any German servers.


Did you first sign up here...

https://web.datemas.de/kunden/cart.php?a=add&pid=25
&language=English

You paid for it and it didn't require a valid email address to sign
up?


I've never paid for the use of any news server.

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:58:56 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:50:26 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

A few people use USP, for Usenet Service Provider, but that's much
less common than NSP.

I've never really seen either. For many years my newsgroup access came
from my ISP and they always included newsgroups*. That began going
away several years ago so now almost everyone has to have an ISP and a
separate provider for Usenet or do like most have done and abandon
Usenet. sigh

*Newsgroup access wasn't always from the ISP's own servers. sometimes
it was provided by another company such as Highwinds (UGH!) or ??? but
it was seamless for the users.

I'm going to go out on a long limb and make a guess that you guys who
haven't seen NSP (or USP) probably aren't very active in your NSP's
support newsgroup.


Your guess is right for me.

Char Jackson wrote:

I'm going to go out on a long limb and make a guess that you guys
who haven't seen NSP (or USP) probably aren't very active in your
NSP's support newsgroup.

I don't know if my NSP (or USP) even has a support group, if they do
I'm probably not very active in it! G



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Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:02:47 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:
You guys are out of touch with pop culture, AKA useless
information.



Thanks for the kind words. ;-)

I work hard at staying away from pop culture.

How can anyone claim to be educated who doesn't watch Jerry Springer?
G

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Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:05:02 +0000 (UTC), Jordon
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:16:41 +0000 (UTC), Jordon
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:31:03 +0100, John Williamson
wrote:

Most, if not all news servers require you to have a valid
e-mail address to set up the account, and this address
will appear in the "from" portion of the headers. It
often does not have to exist for anything apart from
setting up and administering the account, and cen be
deleted or changed at any time.

Valid in *format* perhaps, but not necessarily valid in
the sense of existing. The address I use here
) does not exist, as far as I know.

You may have misread what he said. Most news providers
require a valid email address, only to set up an account.
They send an email to that account that you have to respond
to in order to validate the account.


You say "most," but as far as I can remember, I've never used
any that has done that. I use four news servers at the
moment, and over the years I've used about half a dozen (or
more) others.

You're using news.datemas.de?


Nope. I've never used it, and have never even heard of it. I
assume that's a German server, and I've never used any German
servers.


Did you first sign up here...

https://web.datemas.de/kunden/cart.php?a=add&pid=25
&language=English

You paid for it and it didn't require a valid email address to
sign up?


I've never paid for the use of any news server.

Then you must be using eternal-september.org. It's the only other
news service that I can find in your headers, but I wasn't sure if it
was a reflection of my own service which is also eternal-
september.org. They require a valid email address to sign up for an
account.

The first time you connected to eternal-september.org Agent required
you to enter a password.

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:30:36 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:30:21 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:46:27 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

[snip]

Even when you bought your pre-built, pre-configured computer, you didn't
do any research on it before purchasing it? Considering all the

Yup! It died Friday evening. My research was to find a place
open Saturday.

Unfortunately, the colour I like is no longer generally available
(beige). I dislike lightsucker, er, black.

Interesting how different we are in that respect. If you're talking
about a desktop, I don't care at all what color it is. There are three
desktops in this room (mine, my wife's, and a Windows Home Server).
All three are under desks and partially hidden. I can see that two of
them are beige and one black, but if you had asked me when I wasn't in
the room, I would have been lucky to guess two out of the three
correctly.

My desktops -- I have two -- are on my physical desktop. Since
they are not hidden away, colour is a bit more of a concern. I amnot
that fussy. I do not want something garish or especially noticeable.
Lightsucker fails on the second point (for me).

Even with laptops, where I would expect most people to care much more
about the color than with desktops, I hardly care at all (as long as
it isn't pink).

Lightsucker is too dark for my taste, and thus, the name. As to
pink, I love the colour. I rarely wear a top that is not a shade of
pink. The polo T I have on right now is a colour called cherry
blossom. It is a medium pink. Pink goes well with quite a few
colours: brown (of similar darkness), whites and off-whites, and what
I call off-blacks (like charcoal).

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:10:50 -0500, DanS wrote:

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in
:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:28:19 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:40:54 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 05:40:40 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:

I found it. Thank you. Of the two though, I think I'll
end up
using
Thunderbird if I can't get WM to work. I don't
understand why MS
doesn't
have it as a download since a lot of people don't seem
to like WLM
and are
looking for ways to get WM to work on their W7
computers.

It's a thing called progress. How many new cars sold
today come with a 8-track tape player?

What? Are you trying to say I can't get a car with an
8-track player?

If this is progress, I don't want any part of it!

In truth, I never owned an 8-track player. In fact I don't
remember ever even seeing one in action. No, I'm not too
young - I just traveled in underprivileged circles, I
guess...

When I was about 13, I salvaged a very nice (for its time)
Craig 8-track player and speakers from a wrecked car in
the local junk yard. I also salvaged a working car
battery. Tapes were also easy to find in the junk yard,
although the selection was somewhat limited.

I hooked everything up in my bedroom* and it worked
wonderfully to provide music, but I had to remember to
flip on the battery charger** every couple of days or the
Craig would find itself to muster the energy to change
tracks.

*Charging a car battery in a bedroom is not recommended
due to the explosive gas produced, but I didn't know that
then.

**The battery charger also came from the junk yard and was
not working when I brought it home, but its repair was
fairly simple.

Yes, it's true that my brothers and I spent an awful lot
of our time as kids in the city dump, but that place was
full of treasure just waiting to be rescued. It was a sad
day when the county brought in a bulldozer and covered it
up.

Interesting - and cool.

But be warned - that kind of experience has a significant
risk of turning a poor innocent kid into a tinkerer.

......and the possible side effect to become a Linux user?

(A reference to a "tinkerer".)

That's an odd restriction of the meaning of the word...

However, I digress.....

I just purchased an under-dash 8-track player, although
admittedly, it is for my classic 1965 van. Tapes are still
easy to find, online, or fleamarkets/yard/garage sales.

Hey! Lucky guy!

I never would have guessed that the drives and tapes could be found and
would still work.

I have some elderly audio cassettes, some of which seem to be jammed,
and two players, one of which works a little and the other not at all
:-)

I have a new cheap USB cassette player that works on the unjammed
cassettes, at least.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:51:17 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

You may have misread what he said. Most news providers require a
valid email address, only to set up an account. They send an email to
that account that you have to respond to in order to validate the
account.

You say "most," but as far as I can remember, I've never used any that
has done that. I use four news servers at the moment, and over the
years I've used about half a dozen (or more) others.

It's possible that I just have forgotten, but I don't think I've
forgotten ten or twelve.

You may have forgotten ten or twelve...

I have had to provide a valid address to most or all of the servers I've
used recently so that they can send me credentials...

Before recently, I also may have forgotten a bit :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:55:37 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:44:15 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:37:25 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:02:47 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:36:32 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:36:31 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:08:12 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:48:39 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

I'm not a shrink, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once. ;-)

I have stayed at two different Holiday Inn Expresses as recently as on a
trip in April 2012, yet you've mystified me completely with that remark.

What am I missing? BTW - you're not allowed to say a brain! :-)

Do you own a TV? If so, do you skip the commercials? :-)

From the Marketing section at the Wikipedia link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holiday_Inn_Express


I missed the same thing Gene did. I own a TV, but I see almost no
commercials. I watch almost nothing on TV except for films (Netflix)
and an occasional Tennis match.

You guys are out of touch with pop culture, AKA useless information.


Thanks for the kind words. ;-)

I work hard at staying away from pop culture.

I was going to answer Char directly, but it's appropriate to just to put
a +1 here & ride on your coattails.

Although it isn't so much that I work at not being acculturated, I just
have the wrong interests for the mainstream :-)

I hope you both know I didn't mean it as a bad thing, which is why I
also called it useless information. The only time it'll hurt you is
possibly in a trivia game, so you're ok.

Nah, I didn't think you meant it that way.

But speaking of trivia games, it's a major reason that I won't submit a
puzzle solution to Will Shortz's contest on NPR Weekend Edition Sunday.

I guess that makes it a bad thing :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:47:45 -0700, XS11E wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:02:47 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:
You guys are out of touch with pop culture, AKA useless
information.


Thanks for the kind words. ;-)

I work hard at staying away from pop culture.

How can anyone claim to be educated who doesn't watch Jerry Springer?
G

It's amazing how often when I am testing some part of my TV setup, I
catch Maurie. It seems the channel I watched the previous night's news
on carries him for an hour before lunch and another after lunch.

No, I am not the father of my wife's sister's child! Or whatever...

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)