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John Williamson wrote:
Most, if not all news servers require you to have a valid e-mail address to set up the account, and this address will appear in the "from" portion of the headers. Two very different things. I did have to supply an email address to eternal september to setup an account. Once that's done, I configure my newsreader to use that account. I can tell the newsreader whatever I want about my email address, it will have no effect on my ability to read or post messages. -- Tim Slattery |
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On 6/20/12 10:21 AM, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, Ken. As we all know, the real expense in supplying the "library of books" is not in the printing, or even in posting the PDF, but in having developers and other experts create the content of the library. That cost hasn't come down at all, I suspect. Hi, RC. Agreed. But what good is *any* product to a person if you can't find out how to use it? And unless the product is brand new, the vendor has the previous version to start with. You should file that documentation under the heading of good customer relations. Would you rather have your users/customers complaining or complementing. It's simply part of the cost of doing business. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 13.0.1 Thunderbird 13.0.1 LibreOffice 3.5.2.2 |
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No email on W-7
On 20/06/2012 19:05, RH Breener wrote:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message I still think they're just bitching and exaggerating. Some people adapt to change, while others don't do so well. With your attitude, you'll probably have a hard time adapting. What attitude do you expect me to have under these circumstances? Should I be happy and excited after all the aggravation trying to get around these irritating time wasting unwanted safety features? None of you have told me yet how to disable them. Can they even be disabled so the computer can be used without constant permission popups? Yes, and you have been told how. If you can't understand the answers or can't follow the instructions given, then you obvoiously don't have sufficient computer skills to do it safely. I shouldn't be disappointed to find that even though my favorite email program is on W-7, MS wont allow it's use? It can be used, but is not officially supported by Microsoft. You have been told how to enable it. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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No email on W-7
"RH Breener" wrote:
You would at least have to have an outgoing email account - no? It has to get to the NSP somehow. NSP = News Service Provider? When I post a message, my newsreader contacts Eternal September's Usenet server at the address they gave me when I set up the account. It logs in using the password/UID they gave me. Then it passes the message to the server and it does what it does with it. Email has *nothing* to do with this transaction. I think there's an assumption that your email address is in the "From" header, but it's not checked. -- Tim Slattery |
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"Zaidy036" wrote in message ... snip If you are just doing Registry mods get ERUNT from http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/ But you should learn how to do an image -- Zaidy036 Where did you learn how to do it? A friend? Website? |
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No email on W-7
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:05:47 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote: "Char Jackson" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:30:06 -0700, "RH Breener" wrote: I'm about to give up on trying to get WM to work on W7. I have to admit I'm very disappointed in that it's there, and yet MS doesn't allow it's use, and by all the aggravation with Permissions and TrustedInstallers and Administration popup windows. I had heard complaints about W7 from people I know and at work, but thought they were just bitching, exaggerating. But now I see they were right. I still think they're just bitching and exaggerating. Some people adapt to change, while others don't do so well. With your attitude, you'll probably have a hard time adapting. What attitude do you expect me to have under these circumstances? Should I be happy and excited after all the aggravation trying to get around these irritating time wasting unwanted safety features? None of you have told me yet how to disable them. Can they even be disabled so the computer can be used without constant permission popups? I shouldn't be disappointed to find that even though my favorite email program is on W-7, MS wont allow it's use? Tell me, what should my attitude be since I didn't have this with any of the other PCs I've owned? I'm not going to tell you that your attitude is right or wrong or something in between. I'm just pointing out the obvious, which is that your negative attitude is going to make it very difficult for you to adapt to your new surroundings. It is what it is. You're by no means alone in how you feel. Plenty of others have come before you. Some have undoubtedly overcome their initial resistance to change while others may have given up and taken up knitting. At the other end of the spectrum, there are those who remained cheerful and calm, using this as an opportunity to learn new things. Those people tend to be more successful, and I mean successful in general, not just with computers. I'm not a shrink, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once. ;-) -- Char Jackson |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:27:12 +0100, "Dave-UK" wrote:
"R. C. White" wrote in message news:_... Hi, Ken. I must be missing your point, since I don't understand the sentence "How then do you reply to a NG if you don't have an email address in the software to send the message to the NSP." Can you elucidate? "NSP"? The first poster to use that abbreviation here was "Valorie", a year or two ago. This "RH Breener" is beginning to remind me more and more of that highly-successful troll. :( RC Good observation about the 'NSP' abbreviation, I agree with your theory about Valorie. NSP is a very common abbreviation for News Service Provider. Think 'ISP', but for Usenet. -- Char Jackson |
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"Ken Blake" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:58:42 -0700, "RH Breener" wrote: That's just one part of the wonderful bloatware that HP pre-installs on their computer. When you purchase a pre-built computer with a pre-installed OS means you get bloatware. Not everyone can build their own computer. Most of us have no choice. You are assuming that there are only those two choices: buy a pre-built OEM computer or build your own. Which is like telling an EMT or nurse to perform brain surgery... and I'm not trying to be rude. Not everyone is technically inclined or even interested in building a computer. Some of us working 2 jobs don't have the time and others in small apartments don't have the space. That is *not* correct; there is a third choice and it's the one I prefer and use most of the time. What I almost always do is use a local builder to build what I want, to my specifications. Ahhh... there you go! You're very lucky. We had a guy here about 10 year ago who built computers for people, but he gave up with all the problems they had with the software and hours he had to spend on the phone with them because of viruses or some other problem, most caused by the people themselves. No one ever took his place. I choose all the components and he assembles them. I've built my own several times, but I prefer having someone else do it and paying not a whole lot of money for the service. I prefer it because, although it's easy to build a computer (it's not much more than plugging the components together; similar to plugging together stereo components, but with a computer they are inside the case), it isn't always easy to troubleshoot any problems you have building it. And you first have to spend hours and hours learning what parts are needed, what parts work with other parts, who has the best quality this, that and the other thing. You're obviously, as are most of those on this NG, very much into computers, way beyond email and a little surfing. The average person wouldn't know a mother board from a stick of RAM. And while you may be very much interested in learning all that, and putting untold hours into it, the truth is most people are not. |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:27:54 +0100, John Williamson
wrote: On 20/06/2012 16:38, Char Jackson wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:31:03 +0100, John Williamson wrote: Most, if not all news servers require you to have a valid e-mail address to set up the account, and this address will appear in the "from" portion of the headers. It often does not have to exist for anything apart from setting up and administering the account, and cen be deleted or changed at any time. Nope. I have not yet seen or heard of a news server that required posters to post with a valid email address. Shrug I've not seen *all* news server conditions, so I'd not be dogmatic about it, although the BT Internet news server (For one) won't accept posts not made from an IP address in their allocated block, which implies that you have a BT account, which gives you an automatic BT or Yahoo e-mail address. I've never tried using an invalid from: mail address on that server. Having a valid email address doesn't mean you have to include it in your posts. Use whatever you like. I certainly wouldn't post with a valid email address these days, but I do know of 1 or 2 people who still do, mostly out of habit. -- Char Jackson |
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"Ken Springer" wrote in message ... On 6/20/12 9:13 AM, RH Breener wrote: What about Usenet though? Does Eudora and SeaMonkey include that, or would you need a seperate program for Usenet? I believe both are browsers only. I honestly don't know/remember, but since both use the TB code, I suspect both will probably have Usenet capability. Be aware, TB does have problems with the Usenet and doing things properly, just as OE does/did. I've seen lots of discussion threads over time about whether having both email and Usenet capability in one program is a good idea or not. I suspect the only real advantage is convenience. But each individual desires to have things work in a way that's comfortable for them, which is good IMO. I just get frustrated with the contemporary situation where you generally just hear about a few ubiquitous programs rather than having easier access to viewing a larger "menu" of programs. One thing I've learned about computer software over the years is no one program does everything well, and often fails to do anything truly well. If you really want it to work right, use a program designed to do that job and little else. Opera's email client used to do the Usenet, I used it years ago, so I suspect it still does the Usenet. I agree with what you say. Perhaps they should be two separate programs. I'm giving up on WLM altogether. One email account will not work at all on it. Another account keeps downloading the same old email from last year that must still be on the gmail server and I can only delete three at a time, no more. In minutes they all download again. I just don't have the time and patience to keep deleting the same messages every time I open the program. I haven't even tried my Usenet accounts in WLM. To use them would allow the same old messages going back 6 months to download again and again. It's crazy. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 13.0.1 Thunderbird 13.0.1 LibreOffice 3.5.2.2 |
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On 19 Jun 2012, "RH Breener" wrote in
alt.windows7.general: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html http://www.sfsu.edu/~helpdesk/email/WindowsMail/ How did you get Permission to add the dll in that WM folder? Unlike other versions of W, this version W7 does not allow the owner to do as they want which I deeply resent. Yes, it does allow you. You have to understand permissions and follow the protocol. There are two stages. You must take ownership, then you must grant yourself Full Control over the file and folder. - Right-click on MSOE.DLL. - Select Security tab | Advanced | Owner | Edit. Change owner to you. - make a copy of MSOE.DLL as instructed in the tutorial. - Change owner of the Windows Mail Folder, as in above. - Right-click on the Windows Mail folder. Choose Edit button. Add yourself to the list of permissions, and give yourself Full Control. - Copy the new MSOE.DLL (from the location mentioned in the tutorial) to the folder, overwriting the old one. - Make a shortcut on the desktop to the Windows Mail executable. Enjoy your semi-broken-but-not-as-much-as-what-came-later email/news client. The End. |
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On 6/20/2012 12:37 PM, RH Breener wrote:
"Zaidy036" wrote in message ... snip If you are just doing Registry mods get ERUNT from http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/ But you should learn how to do an image -- Zaidy036 Where did you learn how to do it? A friend? Website? I have used Acronis True Image for years -- Zaidy036 |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:21:40 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote: As we all know, the real expense in supplying the "library of books" is not in the printing, or even in posting the PDF, but in having developers and other experts create the content of the library. That cost hasn't come down at all, I suspect. Too many programmers do not like documenting. The official Java documentation is an example of this. Were I grading it, it would get a D at best. Parameters to methods are not documented by giving their names; there should be an explanation. Example calls are extremely useful, but I do not think that I have seen any there. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:13:28 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote: [snip] What about Usenet though? Does Eudora and SeaMonkey include that, or would you need a seperate program for Usenet? I believe both are browsers only. Eudora is an E-mail program. It is not a browser. [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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"Ken Blake" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:44:28 -0700, "RH Breener" wrote: "Ken Blake" wrote in message ... Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction, since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he likes best. Even if W7 came with WindowsMail, the person could still choose the email program they like best. Certainly. But the probability of someone exploring the alternatives and choosing what they like best is *much* higher if it comes with no e-mail program and they are therefore forced to make a choice Why would MS care? It'd not costing them anything. Why force people when the software is already on W7? I can't find sense in forcing people who are happy with WM to try something else. Let them choose to use it or waste hours and hours of their time trying other email software, one download at a time. Please note that in the sentence you quoted above, I said "more free," not "free." Windows still comes with IE and we all use MozillaFireFox as our browser. We do *not* all use Firefox. Note the following two points: By *WE* I meant my family. Those not using Macs. 1. An enormous number of people use IE, because they either don't know there are alternatives or because it's much easier to just stick with what comes with Windows rather than explore the alternatives. 2. Even among those of us who are interested in exploring the alternatives, we don't all use Firefox. I, for example, greatly prefer Maxthon to Firefox and that's what I use My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and Forté Agent for newsgroups, but you should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best (or even what Microsoft suggests). Thanks for this information. I installed Thunderbird on the W7 computer and I think it'll work if I can't get WM to work on W7. It looks a little complicated but I think I can do it. I'm personally not a Thunderbird fan, but I think it's a *much* better choice than Windows Live Mail. Why not use it even if you can get Windows Live Mail to work? After the last 48 hours I will have no choice since WLM (not WM) keeps downloading the same old DELETED messages from the gmail server from last year, no matter how many times I delete them. And despite what someone said, I can't delete more than 3 at a time and there are scads of them. I wanted to get WindowsMail, not WLM to work on W7. I can't. I'm just an average Joe, not a computer tech. It just got too damn complicated and trying to wade through all the Permission, Trusted Installer and Administrator BS wore me out. |
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