Moving a healthy volume from one laptop to another

GreyCloud wrote:
On 2/10/2014 3:55 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:19:16 -0500, GreyCloud wrote:

I'm careful with these as to not scratch them. I handle them just like
I would an old LP. But I've never had any troubles with them. The only
time I throw out a dvd is when a linux distro I've downloaded wouldn't
install properly. The checksums are good btw.
I also have a large collection of DVD movies that have yet to give me
any problems. If anything, floppy disks were the ones that had errors
after a while and weren't all that reliable.
It is possible that I'm wrong (I'm not at all careful with DVD and CD
disks of my own data), but even the discs I am careful with seem to
produce errors after a short period of time and I have a habit of only
buying Verbatim brand media.


Yuck! Verbatim was the brand that gave me the most problems in the
floppy disk world. I spent more money on Dysans back in those days.
Still, the optical disk is the most reliable, considering what I had to
put up with in the IT industry... mag tapes would break, cartridge tapes
would munge up after a while, floppy disks are prone to wear and tear.


Do you guys check the media tags at all ?

Use Nero Infotool, put your media in the drive,
and see what the tag is. And who actually makes it.

Media tags have been counterfeit, so it's not an
infallible check.

I just inserted a Verbatim DVD and the media
tag in Infotool says "MCC A01".

And a search here, suggests MCC stands for "CMC"
as the actual manufacturer.

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia

And this should help you understand, why the
Verbatim part, means just about nothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMC_Magnetics

There are certain manufacturers, that no company
should buy their media from. And yet, one of my
bankrupt computer stores here, used to specialize in
stuff like that. (Several cubic yards of
garbage products on display, for the
unsuspecting public. All ready to bit rot
in a matter of three months.)

They don't write "CMC" on the outside of the
Verbatim packaging. Which is why the purchasing
process is so mysterious. Go to the store,
get a SKU or product number off the packaging.
Take it home, Google it. Check for someone
who has read out the tag on their drive.
Preferably, freshly purchased product (so it'll
be from the same manufacturer). That tells you
what's in the box. Now, go back to the store
and buy it, if it's a good one.

You can't even trust "sample packs" versus "spindles",
as the same branded product, could be from a different
factory for sample pack, versus spindle.

And sometimes, the price is a dead giveaway, you just
bought fifty frisbees. Being a cheapskate, doesn't
always pay off.

Paul

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 07:48:29 -0600, philo* wrote:

On 02/10/2014 09:34 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 2/10/2014, philo posted:
On 02/10/2014 07:21 PM, W. eWatson wrote:
My friend decided to hire an IT. Good move.




I think everyone here has long ago forgotten about your original
question.

There was an original question?

To tell the truth, I was too lazy to look for it once I saw the length
of the thread, and I concluded that W. eWatson lost interest in whatever
advice he had gotten.

Oh, I recall - it related to the indexed/non-indexed tranfer of files, a
strange term (to me) which he never defined for us.




The person who he was asking for hired "IT" to do it.


I bit my tongue earlier, but I'll let go of it now: can it do it?

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:33:02 -0500, Paul wrote:


I would use the same philosophy as I'd use with hard drives.
Have two copies of everything, whether one copy is on hard
drive and other is on optical media, or store the copies
on two separate hard drives. That method has been effective
since I started doing it in the mid-80's (at work).


MY philosophy on that is almost identical to yours. But when it comes
to my financial info, I actually have *six* copy: two on my hard
drive, two on thumb drives, one on Carbonite, and one on a DVD (not
completely up to date, but close) that I've given to my son.

On 2/11/2014 7:06 AM, Paul wrote:
GreyCloud wrote:
On 2/10/2014 3:55 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:19:16 -0500, GreyCloud wrote:

I'm careful with these as to not scratch them. I handle them just like
I would an old LP. But I've never had any troubles with them. The
only
time I throw out a dvd is when a linux distro I've downloaded wouldn't
install properly. The checksums are good btw.
I also have a large collection of DVD movies that have yet to give me
any problems. If anything, floppy disks were the ones that had errors
after a while and weren't all that reliable.
It is possible that I'm wrong (I'm not at all careful with DVD and CD
disks of my own data), but even the discs I am careful with seem to
produce errors after a short period of time and I have a habit of only
buying Verbatim brand media.


Yuck! Verbatim was the brand that gave me the most problems in the
floppy disk world. I spent more money on Dysans back in those days.
Still, the optical disk is the most reliable, considering what I had to
put up with in the IT industry... mag tapes would break, cartridge tapes
would munge up after a while, floppy disks are prone to wear and tear.


Do you guys check the media tags at all ?

Use Nero Infotool, put your media in the drive,
and see what the tag is. And who actually makes it.


Nero wasn't around in the early 80s.

Media tags have been counterfeit, so it's not an
infallible check.

I just inserted a Verbatim DVD and the media
tag in Infotool says "MCC A01".

And a search here, suggests MCC stands for "CMC"
as the actual manufacturer.

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia

And this should help you understand, why the
Verbatim part, means just about nothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMC_Magnetics

There are certain manufacturers, that no company
should buy their media from. And yet, one of my
bankrupt computer stores here, used to specialize in
stuff like that. (Several cubic yards of
garbage products on display, for the
unsuspecting public. All ready to bit rot
in a matter of three months.)

They don't write "CMC" on the outside of the
Verbatim packaging. Which is why the purchasing
process is so mysterious. Go to the store,
get a SKU or product number off the packaging.
Take it home, Google it. Check for someone
who has read out the tag on their drive.
Preferably, freshly purchased product (so it'll
be from the same manufacturer). That tells you
what's in the box. Now, go back to the store
and buy it, if it's a good one.

You can't even trust "sample packs" versus "spindles",
as the same branded product, could be from a different
factory for sample pack, versus spindle.

And sometimes, the price is a dead giveaway, you just
bought fifty frisbees. Being a cheapskate, doesn't
always pay off.

No argument there from me. Far as I can tell from my own experience,
DOD wouldn't let us buy Verbatim magnetic products. Back then it was
exclusively BlackWatch products or Dysan.

On 2/11/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 07:48:29 -0600, philo* wrote:

On 02/10/2014 09:34 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 2/10/2014, philo posted:
On 02/10/2014 07:21 PM, W. eWatson wrote:
My friend decided to hire an IT. Good move.




I think everyone here has long ago forgotten about your original
question.

There was an original question?

To tell the truth, I was too lazy to look for it once I saw the
length of the thread, and I concluded that W. eWatson lost interest
in whatever advice he had gotten.

Oh, I recall - it related to the indexed/non-indexed tranfer of
files, a strange term (to me) which he never defined for us.




The person who he was asking for hired "IT" to do it.


I bit my tongue earlier, but I'll let go of it now: can it do it?

Clara Bow was the second woman programmer, after Ada Lovelace, and she
could do lots of things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_girl

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:33:02 -0500, Paul wrote:


I would use the same philosophy as I'd use with hard drives.
Have two copies of everything, whether one copy is on hard
drive and other is on optical media, or store the copies
on two separate hard drives. That method has been effective
since I started doing it in the mid-80's (at work).


MY philosophy on that is almost identical to yours. But when it comes
to my financial info, I actually have *six* copy: two on my hard
drive, two on thumb drives, one on Carbonite, and one on a DVD (not
completely up to date, but close) that I've given to my son.

I didn't really trust our backup system at work, because
we wrote it :-) And one day I figured, maybe it would be
wise to save my work files on two disks. It's not that
I put a lot of forethought into it - I was just getting
a bit nervous about how well it was all working.

And six copies, that makes you "more reliable than the
Space Shuttle" :-) What could possibly go wrong.

Paul

On 02/11/2014 09:31 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 07:48:29 -0600, philo wrote:




The person who he was asking for hired "IT" to do it.


I bit my tongue earlier, but I'll let go of it now: can it do it?




HA!