Security Update for Internet Explorer 11 (KB3139929)

On 12 Mar 2016, posterboy wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

I installed this update yesterday before seeing this report so I
loaded IE 11 just now and only found the pop-up add for the free
Windows 10 offer when visiting msn.com and no other web page. If
anyone finds the pop-up while visiting other web sites please
advise. I think it comes only while you open msn.com

I just tried it and I see the ad, too. So, is the ad related to the
update, or is it just an ad on the web site? If I didn't have the
update installed, would I see the ad?

When I re-visit MSN.com with IE, I do not see the ad again unless I
delete my cookies in the meantime.

I also see the ad when I visit MSN.com with Firefox. I'm now thinking
this ad is not the same one that's supposedly embedded in the security
update.

On 13/03/2016 6:39 AM, Nil wrote:
On 12 Mar 2016, posterboy wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

I installed this update yesterday before seeing this report so I
loaded IE 11 just now and only found the pop-up add for the free
Windows 10 offer when visiting msn.com and no other web page. If
anyone finds the pop-up while visiting other web sites please
advise. I think it comes only while you open msn.com

I just tried it and I see the ad, too. So, is the ad related to the
update, or is it just an ad on the web site? If I didn't have the
update installed, would I see the ad?

When I re-visit MSN.com with IE, I do not see the ad again unless I
delete my cookies in the meantime.

I also see the ad when I visit MSN.com with Firefox. I'm now thinking
this ad is not the same one that's supposedly embedded in the security
update.

I am seeing the same as you, in IE and Firefox browsers when I visit
msn.com. To see it again I have to reboot the computer. I have not seen
the reported banner yet.

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On Sat, 3/12/2016 4:41 PM, Maurice Helwig wrote:
On 13/03/2016 6:39 AM, Nil wrote:
On 12 Mar 2016, posterboy wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

I installed this update yesterday before seeing this report so I
loaded IE 11 just now and only found the pop-up add for the free
Windows 10 offer when visiting msn.com and no other web page. If
anyone finds the pop-up while visiting other web sites please
advise. I think it comes only while you open msn.com

I just tried it and I see the ad, too. So, is the ad related to the
update, or is it just an ad on the web site? If I didn't have the
update installed, would I see the ad?

When I re-visit MSN.com with IE, I do not see the ad again unless I
delete my cookies in the meantime.

I also see the ad when I visit MSN.com with Firefox. I'm now thinking
this ad is not the same one that's supposedly embedded in the security
update.

I am seeing the same as you, in IE and Firefox browsers when I visit
msn.com. To see it again I have to reboot the computer. I have not seen
the reported banner yet.

Maybe when they use the tern "banner" they are referring to this
advertisement?

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On 13/03/2016 10:57 AM, posterboy wrote:
On Sat, 3/12/2016 4:41 PM, Maurice Helwig wrote:
On 13/03/2016 6:39 AM, Nil wrote:
On 12 Mar 2016, posterboy wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

I installed this update yesterday before seeing this report so I
loaded IE 11 just now and only found the pop-up add for the free
Windows 10 offer when visiting msn.com and no other web page. If
anyone finds the pop-up while visiting other web sites please
advise. I think it comes only while you open msn.com

I just tried it and I see the ad, too. So, is the ad related to the
update, or is it just an ad on the web site? If I didn't have the
update installed, would I see the ad?

When I re-visit MSN.com with IE, I do not see the ad again unless I
delete my cookies in the meantime.

I also see the ad when I visit MSN.com with Firefox. I'm now thinking
this ad is not the same one that's supposedly embedded in the security
update.

I am seeing the same as you, in IE and Firefox browsers when I visit
msn.com. To see it again I have to reboot the computer. I have not seen
the reported banner yet.

Maybe when they use the tern "banner" they are referring to this
advertisement?

Possibly, but removing KB3139929 does not remove the add when I go to
msn.com

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Maurice Helwig
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David E. Ross wrote:
On 3/12/2016 12:57 AM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Nil wrote:
On 11 Mar 2016, =?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?=
wrote in alt.windows7.general:

The real issue, isn't the update itself or the notice about Win10
being available for 7/8.1 devices using IE that the update
supposedly displays...the real issue is including it in a security
update which imo should be restricted to fixing and patching
security problems.

That's precisely the major issue. It completely erodes any remaining
trust with the company. All the other sneaky **** they have been
pulling lately can be softpedaled by claiming that you should
thoroughly read the terms of every update. I can do this, and do, but
the average user will not understand. But this goes far beyond that. It
is unethical.

This the first time I have EVER seen you take an opposite stance from
Microsoft's party line.

Read my replies closely, I' rarely take a personal stance just
explaining MSFT's position based on fact.

Too many comments submitted in here with referenced articles written as
opinion but not capable of validation.


Here is the validation. Go to the "More information" for the so-called
security update for IE at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/3139929.
Under "Nonsecurity-related fixes that are included in this security
update" on that page is the link
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3146449 to "3146449 Updated
Internet Explorer 11 capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1 and Windows 7".
"About this update" at that page says: "This update adds functionality
to Internet Explorer 11 on some computers that lets users learn about
Windows 10 or start an upgrade to Windows 10."


As noted before...Let me know when you see the notice to 'Learn about
Win10 or Start an upgrade to Win10' in IE11'.

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msft mvp windows experience

posterboy wrote:
On Thu, 3/10/2016 2:26 PM, Nil wrote:
On 10 Mar 2016, "David E. Ross" wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

Slashdot contains a post that claims the Security Update for
Internet Explorer 11 for KB3139929 -- released two days ago --
also includes KB3146449, which puts an advertising banner for
Windows 10 on IE windows. The assertion is made that this is a
Trojan, a form of malware.

See "Patch Tuesday Brought Windows 10 Ad Generator" at
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/03/10/1524238/patch-tuesday-brought-windows-10-ad-generator.


I have installed KB3139929 on three computers. I show no listing
for KB3146449. There is no advertisement on new tabs in Internet
Explorer on any of them.

I'm skeptical about this unverified report.

I installed this update yesterday before seeing this report so I loaded
IE 11 just now and only found the pop-up add for the free Windows 10
offer when visiting msn.com and no other web page. If anyone finds the
pop-up while visiting other web sites please advise. I think it comes
only while you open msn.com

John

Nope, the MSN notice when using IE to access the msn.com url is not from
KB3146449.
- The notice seen on msn.com is the 4th type of info for Win10, with
the first starting in Aug. 2015.



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msft mvp windows experience

On 3/12/2016 8:51 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
On 3/12/2016 12:57 AM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Nil wrote:
On 11 Mar 2016, =?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?=
wrote in alt.windows7.general:

The real issue, isn't the update itself or the notice about Win10
being available for 7/8.1 devices using IE that the update
supposedly displays...the real issue is including it in a security
update which imo should be restricted to fixing and patching
security problems.

That's precisely the major issue. It completely erodes any remaining
trust with the company. All the other sneaky **** they have been
pulling lately can be softpedaled by claiming that you should
thoroughly read the terms of every update. I can do this, and do, but
the average user will not understand. But this goes far beyond that. It
is unethical.

This the first time I have EVER seen you take an opposite stance from
Microsoft's party line.

Read my replies closely, I' rarely take a personal stance just
explaining MSFT's position based on fact.

Too many comments submitted in here with referenced articles written as
opinion but not capable of validation.


Here is the validation. Go to the "More information" for the so-called
security update for IE at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/3139929.
Under "Nonsecurity-related fixes that are included in this security
update" on that page is the link
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3146449 to "3146449 Updated
Internet Explorer 11 capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1 and Windows 7".
"About this update" at that page says: "This update adds functionality
to Internet Explorer 11 on some computers that lets users learn about
Windows 10 or start an upgrade to Windows 10."


As noted before...Let me know when you see the notice to 'Learn about
Win10 or Start an upgrade to Win10' in IE11'.


You do not trust Microsoft's own statement?

--
David E. Ross

While many tributes to the late Supreme Court Associate Justice
Antonin Scalia now fill the news media, his legacy was not
necessarily positive. See my "What Price Order, Mr. Justice Scalia?"
at http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_scalia_wrong.html.

On 2016-03-13, winston‫ wrote:
As noted before...Let me know when you see the notice to 'Learn about
Win10 or Start an upgrade to Win10' in IE11'.

I have seen it but only when visiting msn.com. I don't know if it's
due to the update being discussed here or whether it's just being
pushed out by msn.com.

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Roger Blake wrote:
On 2016-03-13, winston‫ wrote:
As noted before...Let me know when you see the notice to 'Learn about
Win10 or Start an upgrade to Win10' in IE11'.

I have seen it but only when visiting msn.com. I don't know if it's
due to the update being discussed here or whether it's just being
pushed out by msn.com.

The MSn.com notice has been around for sometime - currently showing the
4th version, nor is it specific to opening a new tab.


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....winston
msft mvp windows experience

David E. Ross wrote:
On 3/12/2016 8:51 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
On 3/12/2016 12:57 AM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Nil wrote:
On 11 Mar 2016, =?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?=
wrote in alt.windows7.general:

The real issue, isn't the update itself or the notice about Win10
being available for 7/8.1 devices using IE that the update
supposedly displays...the real issue is including it in a security
update which imo should be restricted to fixing and patching
security problems.

That's precisely the major issue. It completely erodes any remaining
trust with the company. All the other sneaky **** they have been
pulling lately can be softpedaled by claiming that you should
thoroughly read the terms of every update. I can do this, and do, but
the average user will not understand. But this goes far beyond that. It
is unethical.

This the first time I have EVER seen you take an opposite stance from
Microsoft's party line.

Read my replies closely, I' rarely take a personal stance just
explaining MSFT's position based on fact.

Too many comments submitted in here with referenced articles written as
opinion but not capable of validation.


Here is the validation. Go to the "More information" for the so-called
security update for IE at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/3139929.
Under "Nonsecurity-related fixes that are included in this security
update" on that page is the link
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3146449 to "3146449 Updated
Internet Explorer 11 capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1 and Windows 7".
"About this update" at that page says: "This update adds functionality
to Internet Explorer 11 on some computers that lets users learn about
Windows 10 or start an upgrade to Windows 10."


As noted before...Let me know when you see the notice to 'Learn about
Win10 or Start an upgrade to Win10' in IE11'.


You do not trust Microsoft's own statement?

Do you ?

--
....winston
msft mvp windows experience

On 3/13/2016 11:26 AM, ...winston‫ wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
On 3/12/2016 8:51 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
On 3/12/2016 12:57 AM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Nil wrote:
On 11 Mar 2016, =?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?=
wrote in alt.windows7.general:

The real issue, isn't the update itself or the notice about Win10
being available for 7/8.1 devices using IE that the update
supposedly displays...the real issue is including it in a security
update which imo should be restricted to fixing and patching
security problems.

That's precisely the major issue. It completely erodes any remaining
trust with the company. All the other sneaky **** they have been
pulling lately can be softpedaled by claiming that you should
thoroughly read the terms of every update. I can do this, and do, but
the average user will not understand. But this goes far beyond that. It
is unethical.

This the first time I have EVER seen you take an opposite stance from
Microsoft's party line.

Read my replies closely, I' rarely take a personal stance just
explaining MSFT's position based on fact.

Too many comments submitted in here with referenced articles written as
opinion but not capable of validation.


Here is the validation. Go to the "More information" for the so-called
security update for IE at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/3139929.
Under "Nonsecurity-related fixes that are included in this security
update" on that page is the link
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3146449 to "3146449 Updated
Internet Explorer 11 capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1 and Windows 7".
"About this update" at that page says: "This update adds functionality
to Internet Explorer 11 on some computers that lets users learn about
Windows 10 or start an upgrade to Windows 10."


As noted before...Let me know when you see the notice to 'Learn about
Win10 or Start an upgrade to Win10' in IE11'.


You do not trust Microsoft's own statement?

Do you ?


Given the context -- indicating that advertising Windows 10 is a
consequence of installing the update -- yes I do.


--
David E. Ross

While many tributes to the late Supreme Court Associate Justice
Antonin Scalia now fill the news media, his legacy was not
necessarily positive. See my "What Price Order, Mr. Justice Scalia?"
at http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_scalia_wrong.html.

David E. Ross wrote:
On 3/13/2016 11:26 AM, ...winston‫ wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
On 3/12/2016 8:51 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
On 3/12/2016 12:57 AM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Nil wrote:
On 11 Mar 2016, =?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?=
wrote in alt.windows7.general:

The real issue, isn't the update itself or the notice about Win10
being available for 7/8.1 devices using IE that the update
supposedly displays...the real issue is including it in a security
update which imo should be restricted to fixing and patching
security problems.

That's precisely the major issue. It completely erodes any remaining
trust with the company. All the other sneaky **** they have been
pulling lately can be softpedaled by claiming that you should
thoroughly read the terms of every update. I can do this, and do, but
the average user will not understand. But this goes far beyond that. It
is unethical.

This the first time I have EVER seen you take an opposite stance from
Microsoft's party line.

Read my replies closely, I' rarely take a personal stance just
explaining MSFT's position based on fact.

Too many comments submitted in here with referenced articles written as
opinion but not capable of validation.


Here is the validation. Go to the "More information" for the so-called
security update for IE at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/3139929.
Under "Nonsecurity-related fixes that are included in this security
update" on that page is the link
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3146449 to "3146449 Updated
Internet Explorer 11 capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1 and Windows 7".
"About this update" at that page says: "This update adds functionality
to Internet Explorer 11 on some computers that lets users learn about
Windows 10 or start an upgrade to Windows 10."


As noted before...Let me know when you see the notice to 'Learn about
Win10 or Start an upgrade to Win10' in IE11'.


You do not trust Microsoft's own statement?

Do you ?


Given the context -- indicating that advertising Windows 10 is a
consequence of installing the update -- yes I do.


Wouldn't be first or last time that MSFT wrote something in a KB article
that wasn't accurate or included a feature that was actually enabled.

When you see that notice in a new tab using IE11 on Win7 or Win8x, not
the MSN.com notice that is not IE unique on 7/8x then belief might have
more credibility.

Until then, this issue is just a bunch of echoes claiming something
without proof.

Like you, I'd really like to see that notice in IE11 on a new tab...when
we do, it will be true, until that occurs the echo chamber effect remains.



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msft mvp windows experience