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Old April 11th 20, 04:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Lu Wei
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Default Have Gmail turned off POP3 login?

Recently I found Thunderbird cannot fetch Gmail by POP3. It shows
"incorrect username and password" (not the usual "login by web first"
info) while I can login by web. I heard Google will eventually turn it
off but is it now? Could anyone confirm this?

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Old April 11th 20, 04:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Have Gmail turned off POP3 login?

Lu Wei wrote:

Recently I found Thunderbird cannot fetch Gmail by POP3. It shows
"incorrect username and password" (not the usual "login by web first"
info) while I can login by web. I heard Google will eventually turn
it off but is it now? Could anyone confirm this?


Did you go into your online Gmail account's settings to make sure POP
access was [still] enabled?

Settings - Forwarding and POP/IMAP, POP download, enable POP for all
mail.
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Old April 11th 20, 08:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Ralph Fox
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Default Have Gmail turned off POP3 login?

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:27:03 +0800, Lu Wei wrote:

Have Gmail turned off POP3 login?


Recently I found Thunderbird cannot fetch Gmail by POP3. It shows
"incorrect username and password" (not the usual "login by web first"
info) while I can login by web. I heard Google will eventually turn it
off but is it now? Could anyone confirm this?



Gmail POP3 login is still working here.

Gmail may have turned off your "Less secure app access", which would
disallow Thunderbird logging in with your main Google account password.

If you can, use an "App Password" with POP3 instead of your main
Google account password. Then you will not have problems when
Gmail turns off your "Less secure app access". You need to turn
on "2-step verification" before you can create an "App Password",
but you can turn it off again afterwards.

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255


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Old April 11th 20, 10:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Ralph Fox wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:27:03 +0800, Lu Wei wrote:

Have Gmail turned off POP3 login?


Recently I found Thunderbird cannot fetch Gmail by POP3. It shows
"incorrect username and password" (not the usual "login by web first"
info) while I can login by web. I heard Google will eventually turn it
off but is it now? Could anyone confirm this?


Gmail POP3 login is still working here.

Gmail may have turned off your "Less secure app access", which would
disallow Thunderbird logging in with your main Google account password.

If you can, use an "App Password" with POP3 instead of your main
Google account password. Then you will not have problems when
Gmail turns off your "Less secure app access". You need to turn
on "2-step verification" before you can create an "App Password",
but you can turn it off again afterwards.

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255


Thunderbird support OAUTH2 authentication. I remember reading you had
to go into the account's server config to enable OAUTH2 logins.

As for turning off "Less secure app access", I've read Google is doing
that for their paid business-class G Suite service, not for their
personal-use free services.

From G Suite admin help:
https://support.google.com/a/answer/6260879?hl=en

Well, they're doing it to paid users. They'll probably eventually get
around to ****ing over freeloaders, too.
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Old April 12th 20, 01:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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This is for my MP3 player and I don't usually screw with a mouse on
that machine. It is all keypad driven (or using my Seeburg 3W1
wallbox).
This is running dual console so stepping on the MP3 screen is not a
problem. I will look for a clock app.
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Old April 12th 20, 04:41 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Lu Wei
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Default Have Gmail turned off POP3 login?

On 2020-4-12 5:51, VanguardLH wrote:
Ralph Fox wrote:


Gmail POP3 login is still working here.

Gmail may have turned off your "Less secure app access", which would
disallow Thunderbird logging in with your main Google account password.

If you can, use an "App Password" with POP3 instead of your main
Google account password. Then you will not have problems when
Gmail turns off your "Less secure app access". You need to turn
on "2-step verification" before you can create an "App Password",
but you can turn it off again afterwards.

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255


Thunderbird support OAUTH2 authentication. I remember reading you had
to go into the account's server config to enable OAUTH2 logins.

As for turning off "Less secure app access", I've read Google is doing
that for their paid business-class G Suite service, not for their
personal-use free services.

From G Suite admin help:
https://support.google.com/a/answer/6260879?hl=en

Well, they're doing it to paid users. They'll probably eventually get
around to ****ing over freeloaders, too.

Thanks for the confirmation and suggestions. I checked POP3 and "Less
secure app access" settings: POP3 is enabled as before, but "Less secure
app access" is turned off. I never encountered that Google will turn it
off for me! It labeled two security events that I access from other
countries, maybe that's the cause. But I have to use proxy to access
Google from china. Anyway I turned it on and TB begins to fetch mail
again, though seems from a much older time.

As to "App Password", it needs me to turn on "2-step verification".
After I read https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185839 , that
makes me feel it is a unnecessary complicated process and provide no
more security, if not less. It needs a phone -- phones are known to be
insecure, especially chinese phones. So I'd rather not enable it as long
as I can still use current method.

As to OAUTH2, Thunderbird does support it but not in POP3, only IMAP.
Maybe I should switch to IMAP someday. For now I do not see much
advantage of it for I only use Gmail on PC.

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Old April 12th 20, 01:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Have Gmail turned off POP3 login?

Lu Wei wrote:

I checked POP3 and "Less secure app access" settings: POP3 is enabled
as before, but "Less secure app access" is turned off. I never
encountered that Google will turn it off for me!


I have. I don't know what Google was doing with my account, or maybe
all accounts, but I and others have found the LSA option got disabled,
so we had to go back in using a web browser to reenable the server-side
setting.

Is your e-mail client configured to use OAUTH2 during the login to
Gmail?

As to "App Password", it needs me to turn on "2-step verification".


You need to enable 2-step to get app passwords, but after getting them
you can go back and disable 2-step. It only needs to be enabled when
you want to create the app password(s). It is not required after you
create them, and won't be creating more for awhile. App passwords don't
expire, so you won't have to reenable 2-step unless you later want to
create more app passwords.

As to OAUTH2, Thunderbird does support it but not in POP3, only IMAP.
Maybe I should switch to IMAP someday. For now I do not see much
advantage of it for I only use Gmail on PC.


Oh, fartsniffing Google. No OAUTH2 for POP. IMAP is better, anyway. I
could go into its advantages, but some folks just don't want to leave
POP. To stick with POP with Gmail, you'll have to get an app password
for your e-mail client.
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Old April 12th 20, 02:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Have Gmail turned off POP3 login?

wrote:

This is for my MP3 player and I don't usually screw with a mouse on
that machine. It is all keypad driven (or using my Seeburg 3W1
wallbox).
This is running dual console so stepping on the MP3 screen is not a
problem. I will look for a clock app.


Huh? Looks like you were reading one post but your NNTP client
currently had a different post selected when you clicked Reply.
However, your reply didn't cite any of the parent post. If it had, you
would've noticed the thread had nothing to do with MP3 or players.
Since you mentioned clock, my guess is you meant to reply to your
"Gadgets?" thread over in the Windows 7 newsgroup.
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Old April 12th 20, 02:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Lu Wei
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Default Have Gmail turned off POP3 login?

On 2020-4-12 20:55, VanguardLH wrote:
...

Thank you and Ralph Fox. For now re-enabling "less secure app" through
web seems a quicker solution.

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