Dell 8200 HD problems:

It's not working,.. same as yesterday.

I found a Mrimg file on E Partition but
I can't get to it. this is very frustrating
because it was working fine before.

Robert

Following your instructions; I connected the
external HD (F and disconnected the HD (C
but when I powered it back on I received this:

Alert - drive not found, failed to detect one
or more drives during POST. Strike F1 key to
continue F2 to run setup utility, F5 to run
onboard diagnostics

I selected F1 ,.... no filename received

Pre-Boot System Assesment build 4521 - no problems
found so far- run remaining memory tests which
will take 30 min? Y/N I answered Y

Pre-Boot assement complete no diagnostic partition
identified.

I don't understand the BIOS its not like XP at all.

Something isn't working right when yesterday everything
was fine and I had no problems whatsoever with it.

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
Following your instructions; I connected the
external HD (F and disconnected the HD (C
but when I powered it back on I received this:

Alert - drive not found, failed to detect one
or more drives during POST. Strike F1 key to
continue F2 to run setup utility, F5 to run
onboard diagnostics

I selected F1 ,.... no filename received

Pre-Boot System Assesment build 4521 - no problems
found so far- run remaining memory tests which
will take 30 min? Y/N I answered Y

Pre-Boot assement complete no diagnostic partition
identified.

I don't understand the BIOS its not like XP at all.

Something isn't working right when yesterday everything
was fine and I had no problems whatsoever with it.

Robert


Remember your emergency precautions.

1) You can restore the backup image you made to
F:, back to replace C: . That's why you made the backup.

2) If for any reason the internal hard drive failed,
you pull the backup drive out of the USB enclosure,
and install it in place of the internal drive. Then, boot.
That takes advantage of the "clone" operation you
were doing, to the external drive. You made the
external drive bootable on purpose, as part of
your procedure.

So those are your two options.

Paul

I was able to change the boot sequence and
got the Rescue CD to work and macrium finally
loaded but it still doesn't see the F: drive
when I browse for a Mrimg file but it sees
all the others and the indicator light on the
external HD was on.

So why does it see all the other drives but F: ?

Your thinking of the 320GB HD I bought for 8200
and the Star Tech/WD external HD for 8500 but the
external HD for the 8200 and the 780 is this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822178107

and can't be removed from its case to replace the 780 HD.
It looks as if my only other option if I can't get the 780
working again is to buy a copy of Windows 7 Professional.

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
I was able to change the boot sequence and
got the Rescue CD to work and macrium finally
loaded but it still doesn't see the F: drive
when I browse for a Mrimg file but it sees
all the others and the indicator light on the
external HD was on.

So why does it see all the other drives but F: ?

Your thinking of the 320GB HD I bought for 8200
and the Star Tech/WD external HD for 8500 but the
external HD for the 8200 and the 780 is this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822178107

and can't be removed from its case to replace the 780 HD.
It looks as if my only other option if I can't get the 780
working again is to buy a copy of Windows 7 Professional.

Robert


Does the Seagate Backup Plus 1TB work on
your other working Dell ? The i7 ?

Maybe you could transfer the backup image
off the one you're working with currently,
onto another one of your USB drives. Then
plug the alternative USB drive into the 780
and retest with the Macrium Rescue CD, and
do the restore that way.

Paul

The Seagate 1TB does work but there not enough space for
either the Patriot Key or a CD it says and then I hooked
up the other external HD and tried to copy/paste it to M: drive
and got this:

http://i63.tinypic.com/2v9tbpl.jpg

So do I use macrium for this or what?

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
The Seagate 1TB does work but there not enough space for
either the Patriot Key or a CD it says and then I hooked
up the other external HD and tried to copy/paste it to M: drive
and got this:

http://i63.tinypic.com/2v9tbpl.jpg

So do I use macrium for this or what?

Robert


First of all, you don't really want to
put files like that in the root of C: .

The 80070522 seems to be a permissions error.
Maybe you tried to copy the file from the root
of the external drive (which is OK), to some
other disk where you will not have permission
to paste it ? While WinXP allows pasting into
the root of C: , some other OSes absolutely
forbid it (Win10?).

What I don't understand about the dialog in
your picture on Tinypic, is why does it look
like Macrium plays some part in this ? You
should be using file explorer to copy the .MRIMG
file from the disk that isn't working right, to one
of your other backup disks.

I cannot see the size, but assume the backup is
relatively small (30GB maybe?) . That larger
file you had at first, might not fit on one of
your other backup drives.

The reason I want you to copy the MRIMG file
to another USB hard drive, is so you can try to
restore that MRIMG to the internal disk. And maybe
one of your other drives will work.

The 780 may lack sufficient USB power to power
the 2.5" drive. If you connect one of your 3.5"
drives, those draw their power from the wall adapter,
and not from the USB cable. And they are much more
likely to work in all circumstances. The 2.5" drives
can be picky at times, depending on the mood they're in.
Some modern 2.5" drives use slightly less current,
but on the other hand, the drives are getting bigger
(2TB, 15mm high drive), so the current could easily
be a bit higher for those kind. The 15mm 2.5" drives
used for backup drives, will not fit in a laptop bay
because it is too tall. The drive likely has an extra
platter, compared to a laptop drive.

A USB2 port provides up to 500mA. An older 2.5" hard
drive, draws 5V @ 1000mA when it spins up, which strictly
speaking is an overload. There is a Polyfuse (resettable
fuse) on the motherboard for the ports. The Polyfuse
may be a "11" (green SMT, 11 stamped on top). That's
a 1.1 Amp fuse, which is probably getting a bit soft
at 1 Amp, but may hold on long enough for the 2.5"
external drive to spin up. A USB3 port has a higher
current rating, so the fuse on that path should have
a higher value.

Now, I can't be sure that's the problem. It's just
a wild guess at the moment, that perhaps the 2.5"
drive isn't spinning up when plugged into the
new 780.

The PolyFuse should not need replacement. The article
does mention the reset resistance can be a bit on
the high side, after a fault. So they're not exactly
perfect electrical devices (like a regular fuse is).
But they do have the advantage that they don't need
to be replaced, especially if they've never triggered
through their lifetime (quite possible). USB ports
don't normally have a lot of short circuits on them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyfuse

So what I do want to verify, is you were copying that
file with File Explorer, and not doing some sort of
"trick" using the Macrium program.

Paul

I tried it again but it gave me the same reply:

http://i65.tinypic.com/1j8faa.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/2l8x1mw.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/2ezmw00.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/2n0r5nc.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/20pdls0.jpg


I looked up the error code and a possible solution
but I haven't tried it:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...3-131318e9db8a

Robert

Yes, I'm using File Explorer to copy/paste
and have tried click/drag as well.

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
I tried it again but it gave me the same reply:

http://i65.tinypic.com/1j8faa.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/2l8x1mw.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/2ezmw00.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/2n0r5nc.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/20pdls0.jpg


I looked up the error code and a possible solution
but I haven't tried it:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...3-131318e9db8a

Robert

Well, first of all, you know you can open *two*
File Explorer windows, and drag and drop from
one File Explorer window to the other File Explorer
window. You're not limited to dropping the file
on the top level of another volume.

In the process of navigating to a non-root location
on the destination drive, you may acquire enough
access to complete the copy.

What's throwing me off in the last picture,
is why I'm getting details from Macrium. When you
install Macrium, it installs a shell extension
and has a service running, for the purpose of
"mounting" MRIMG files as if they were disk
drives. Macrium can contribute its own properties
display to File Explorer, and that's what I think
I'm seeing in the picture. But it seems a little
inappropriate to be showing me that during a
File Explorer copy operation. And I can't understand
why that is happening.

*******

I tested over on the Win10 setup, and the only time
I could get a "similar" dialog to yours, is if
deleting a 17GB MRIMG in the trash can. The macrium
details were displayed in the dialog that asked if
I really wanted to do this.

If I attempted to copy the file to the root of C:,
it was working. I was surprised I was not denied a
copy from "External" to C: top-level.

When I attempted to copy "External" to D: top-level,
where D: is a second OS partition, it said I
needed Administrative permission. And I think
it was letting me do that one, too.

The only thing I can think, is some funny "Deny" property
has been applied to the target drive.

In any case, I'd open some folder on the target drive,
a folder you "own" on the current OS, and try the
transfer again.

I don't know of an easy way, to get the computer to
"explain" why this isn't working. I doubt I could
examine enough security property boxes, to make
sense of it all.

In the user account you are using, if you go to the
Control Panel, and look at the User Accounts, I
take it the account you're using currently,
says "administrators", implying the account
is a member of the Administrator group ?

And I'm not even going to suggest "TakeOwn" as
a solution, as practically every partition in
that picture is an OS partition. And you *do not*
apply TakeOwn to the top level of OS partitions.

You should really be copying that file, to
some place like \home\users\robert\Downloads.
That's my "trash bucket" when it comes to working
files. My "Downloads" folder collects my junk.

*******

Try to copy the file to a lower level of the
disk, a place known to be owned by account "Robert",
like your Downloads folder. As you are navigating
to that folder, you will be prompted to add
the permissions needed to navigate there (if
navigating the folders on something other than
C: and it happens to be an OS partition).

Paul

Following your suggestions,. I logged into the
Administrators Account, although I can type in
the Account as a User I felt there might be a
difference and also opened (2) File Explorer
windows and was able to transfer the Mrimg file
to the WD external HD.

Then connected the WD to the 780 and was able to
find the Mrimg file (I put it with the 8500 Mrimg
files) Then selected Restore Image and put the
image in the box (there's a red X (Delete existing
partition - 1. Dell Utility (none)16 bit FAT primary
but didn't do anything and just clicked next and
on the page 1of 2, 2of 2 I clicked finish, then it
gave a pop-up warning:

The following drives will be overwritten

J:\ Recovery
C:\ OS


Continue or Cancel

I clicked continue it says Restore failed.


I went back and connected the 1TB to the 8500
to verify it was the correct Mrimg file. It was.


Thoughts,suggestions?
Robert

Also, after I closed the pop-up box it
said unable to locate image.

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
Also, after I closed the pop-up box it
said unable to locate image.

Robert

If the WD is placed into a SATA bay, inside
the computer, can you use the Macrium boot CD
and access the MRIMG file from there ? I'm just
trying to eliminate USB entirely now. I can't
believe this is the issue though, as any Macrium
boot CD you care to make, should work on a USB2
port.

Paul

If you mean connecting the WD to the 780 HD
connections they don't match and I think I
may have damaged the WD trying. The 780 is in
some kind of loop where Macrium keeps coming
up no matter what and bypasses the 'hit any key
to boot from CD' and doesn't see the WD.

All this is getting us nowhere and I'm creating
more problems. This was suppose to be easy but
nothing is working as it should so I would prefer
to start clean and install a fresh brand new copy
of Windows 7 Professional. What do you think of this?

http://www.play-asia.com/microsoft-w...ohoC9xnw_wc B


Robert

yes, but everything I've tried so far
doesn't work.

Yes it has the OEM sicker with the product
key numbers because it asked for them when
I first logged on to the 780.

I tried the link you gave and came back that
this product appears pre-installed, contact
manufacturer.

So I can't even buy a copy of Windows 7
Professional?

I really hate opening up the computers,. I'm
afraid of more problems. What if I loose the
8500? Then I'll have to pull out the 8200,....

Robert