Installing a New Western Digital Drive

My C-drive is a WCD1200JB, IDE. I'm trying to install a new one,
WCD1200JB also, as a slave. The drive on the end of the cable is the old
drive. The slave, the new one, is in the middle of the cable. I have no
pins used on the new drive, and one jumper over the two pins one set
away from the power plug. When I fire up, the machine sees both master
and slave in bios, but in the OS there is no trace of the new drive.
What's wrong here?

"W. eWatson" wrote in message
...
My C-drive is a WCD1200JB, IDE. I'm trying to install a new one, WCD1200JB
also, as a slave. The drive on the end of the cable is the old drive. The
slave, the new one, is in the middle of the cable. I have no pins used on
the new drive, and one jumper over the two pins one set away from the
power plug. When I fire up, the machine sees both master and slave in
bios, but in the OS there is no trace of the new drive. What's wrong here?

I think your drive is WD 1200JB in which case installation instructions are
found on:
http://www.wdc.com/en/library/eide/2...df?wdc_lang=en

"W. eWatson" wrote in message
...
My C-drive is a WCD1200JB, IDE. I'm trying to install a new one, WCD1200JB
also, as a slave. The drive on the end of the cable is the old drive. The
slave, the new one, is in the middle of the cable. I have no pins used on
the new drive, and one jumper over the two pins one set away from the
power plug. When I fire up, the machine sees both master and slave in
bios, but in the OS there is no trace of the new drive. What's wrong here?

I think your drive is WD 1200JB in which case installation instructions are
found on:
http://www.wdc.com/en/library/eide/2...df?wdc_lang=en

"W. eWatson" wrote in message

My C-drive is a WCD1200JB, IDE. I'm trying to install a new one,
WCD1200JB also, as a slave. The drive on the end of the cable is the old
drive. The slave, the new one, is in the middle of the cable. I have no
pins used on the new drive, and one jumper over the two pins one set
away from the power plug. When I fire up, the machine sees both master
and slave in bios, but in the OS there is no trace of the new drive.
What's wrong here?

The pins jumped on WD drives should be Master w/Slave and and Slave, other
wise they could both be jumped as Cable Select. The drive should have a diagram
for the jumper settings on the label on the top of the drive.

Master w/Slave = Center pins jumped
Slave = 2nd pins from right of power cable jumped

Looking at the back of the drive:
Master w/Salve
n n j n n
n n j n n

Slave
n n n j n
n n n j n

If that doesn't resolve the issue:
Did you partition/format the drive?
Are you using a "40 pin/80 wire" or "40 pin/40 wire" ribbon data cable?

--

Brian A. Sesko
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://members.shaw.ca/dts-l/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

"W. eWatson" wrote in message

My C-drive is a WCD1200JB, IDE. I'm trying to install a new one,
WCD1200JB also, as a slave. The drive on the end of the cable is the old
drive. The slave, the new one, is in the middle of the cable. I have no
pins used on the new drive, and one jumper over the two pins one set
away from the power plug. When I fire up, the machine sees both master
and slave in bios, but in the OS there is no trace of the new drive.
What's wrong here?

The pins jumped on WD drives should be Master w/Slave and and Slave, other
wise they could both be jumped as Cable Select. The drive should have a diagram
for the jumper settings on the label on the top of the drive.

Master w/Slave = Center pins jumped
Slave = 2nd pins from right of power cable jumped

Looking at the back of the drive:
Master w/Salve
n n j n n
n n j n n

Slave
n n n j n
n n n j n

If that doesn't resolve the issue:
Did you partition/format the drive?
Are you using a "40 pin/80 wire" or "40 pin/40 wire" ribbon data cable?

--

Brian A. Sesko
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://members.shaw.ca/dts-l/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

Palpalatok wrote:
"W. eWatson" wrote in message
...
My C-drive is a WCD1200JB, IDE. I'm trying to install a new one, WCD1200JB
also, as a slave. The drive on the end of the cable is the old drive. The
slave, the new one, is in the middle of the cable. I have no pins used on
the new drive, and one jumper over the two pins one set away from the
power plug. When I fire up, the machine sees both master and slave in
bios, but in the OS there is no trace of the new drive. What's wrong here?

I think your drive is WD 1200JB in which case installation instructions are
found on:
http://www.wdc.com/en/library/eide/2...df?wdc_lang=en



I see I typed in the drive model incorrectly, but do think it was WDC in
bios.

I'm pretty sure bios showed ide, but I do agree that it seems like it
should be eide. The PC is about 4 years old. I was about to buy a HD of
this size, and found that I had purchased this one a year ago and had
never opened it up. I must have tossed the original manual and install
software. I think I have some extras from my other WD purchases. I've
printed out the pdf.

Palpalatok wrote:
"W. eWatson" wrote in message
...
My C-drive is a WCD1200JB, IDE. I'm trying to install a new one, WCD1200JB
also, as a slave. The drive on the end of the cable is the old drive. The
slave, the new one, is in the middle of the cable. I have no pins used on
the new drive, and one jumper over the two pins one set away from the
power plug. When I fire up, the machine sees both master and slave in
bios, but in the OS there is no trace of the new drive. What's wrong here?

I think your drive is WD 1200JB in which case installation instructions are
found on:
http://www.wdc.com/en/library/eide/2...df?wdc_lang=en



I see I typed in the drive model incorrectly, but do think it was WDC in
bios.

I'm pretty sure bios showed ide, but I do agree that it seems like it
should be eide. The PC is about 4 years old. I was about to buy a HD of
this size, and found that I had purchased this one a year ago and had
never opened it up. I must have tossed the original manual and install
software. I think I have some extras from my other WD purchases. I've
printed out the pdf.

Brian A. wrote:
"W. eWatson" wrote in message

My C-drive is a WCD1200JB, IDE. I'm trying to install a new one,
WCD1200JB also, as a slave. The drive on the end of the cable is the old
drive. The slave, the new one, is in the middle of the cable. I have no
pins used on the new drive, and one jumper over the two pins one set
away from the power plug. When I fire up, the machine sees both master
and slave in bios, but in the OS there is no trace of the new drive.
What's wrong here?

The pins jumped on WD drives should be Master w/Slave and and Slave,
other wise they could both be jumped as Cable Select. The drive should
have a diagram for the jumper settings on the label on the top of the
drive.

Master w/Slave = Center pins jumped
Slave = 2nd pins from right of power cable jumped

Looking at the back of the drive:
Master w/Salve
n n j n n
n n j n n

Slave
n n n j n
n n n j n

If that doesn't resolve the issue:
Did you partition/format the drive?
Are you using a "40 pin/80 wire" or "40 pin/40 wire" ribbon data cable?

I think the jumpers are right. They always seem to manage to put the
little jumper table sticker in a place where it can't be seen once
you've installed it. I just pulled the drive out of the package and put
it in place with whatever ribbon cable I had before. I haven't formatted
it.

I don't know which cable I have. I'll take a look at it and the jumpers
after I post here.

I have a 10-pin block next to the power plug. Back in awhile. It looks

Brian A. wrote:
"W. eWatson" wrote in message

My C-drive is a WCD1200JB, IDE. I'm trying to install a new one,
WCD1200JB also, as a slave. The drive on the end of the cable is the old
drive. The slave, the new one, is in the middle of the cable. I have no
pins used on the new drive, and one jumper over the two pins one set
away from the power plug. When I fire up, the machine sees both master
and slave in bios, but in the OS there is no trace of the new drive.
What's wrong here?

The pins jumped on WD drives should be Master w/Slave and and Slave,
other wise they could both be jumped as Cable Select. The drive should
have a diagram for the jumper settings on the label on the top of the
drive.

Master w/Slave = Center pins jumped
Slave = 2nd pins from right of power cable jumped

Looking at the back of the drive:
Master w/Salve
n n j n n
n n j n n

Slave
n n n j n
n n n j n

If that doesn't resolve the issue:
Did you partition/format the drive?
Are you using a "40 pin/80 wire" or "40 pin/40 wire" ribbon data cable?

I think the jumpers are right. They always seem to manage to put the
little jumper table sticker in a place where it can't be seen once
you've installed it. I just pulled the drive out of the package and put
it in place with whatever ribbon cable I had before. I haven't formatted
it.

I don't know which cable I have. I'll take a look at it and the jumpers
after I post here.

I have a 10-pin block next to the power plug. Back in awhile. It looks

"W. eWatson" wrote in message

Palpalatok wrote:
"W. eWatson" wrote in message
...
My C-drive is a WCD1200JB, IDE. I'm trying to install a new one,
WCD1200JB also, as a slave. The drive on the end of the cable is the
old drive. The slave, the new one, is in the middle of the cable. I
have no pins used on the new drive, and one jumper over the two pins
one set away from the power plug. When I fire up, the machine sees both
master and slave in bios, but in the OS there is no trace of the new
drive. What's wrong here?

I think your drive is WD 1200JB in which case installation instructions
are found on:
http://www.wdc.com/en/library/eide/2...df?wdc_lang=en



I see I typed in the drive model incorrectly, but do think it was WDC in
bios.

I'm pretty sure bios showed ide, but I do agree that it seems like it
should be eide. The PC is about 4 years old. I was about to buy a HD of
this size, and found that I had purchased this one a year ago and had
never opened it up. I must have tossed the original manual and install
software. I think I have some extras from my other WD purchases. I've
printed out the pdf.

The BIOS and WD Lifeguard Tools along with other tools/utilities report the
P/N as "WDC WD####LL - ##LLL#", the WDC is not needed when providing information
for the drive.

--

Brian A. Sesko
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://members.shaw.ca/dts-l/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

"W. eWatson" wrote in message

Palpalatok wrote:
"W. eWatson" wrote in message
...
My C-drive is a WCD1200JB, IDE. I'm trying to install a new one,
WCD1200JB also, as a slave. The drive on the end of the cable is the
old drive. The slave, the new one, is in the middle of the cable. I
have no pins used on the new drive, and one jumper over the two pins
one set away from the power plug. When I fire up, the machine sees both
master and slave in bios, but in the OS there is no trace of the new
drive. What's wrong here?

I think your drive is WD 1200JB in which case installation instructions
are found on:
http://www.wdc.com/en/library/eide/2...df?wdc_lang=en



I see I typed in the drive model incorrectly, but do think it was WDC in
bios.

I'm pretty sure bios showed ide, but I do agree that it seems like it
should be eide. The PC is about 4 years old. I was about to buy a HD of
this size, and found that I had purchased this one a year ago and had
never opened it up. I must have tossed the original manual and install
software. I think I have some extras from my other WD purchases. I've
printed out the pdf.

The BIOS and WD Lifeguard Tools along with other tools/utilities report the
P/N as "WDC WD####LL - ##LLL#", the WDC is not needed when providing information
for the drive.

--

Brian A. Sesko
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://members.shaw.ca/dts-l/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

W. eWatson wrote:
Brian A. wrote:
"W. eWatson" wrote in message

My C-drive is a WCD1200JB, IDE. I'm trying to install a new one,
WCD1200JB also, as a slave. The drive on the end of the cable is the old
drive. The slave, the new one, is in the middle of the cable. I have no
pins used on the new drive, and one jumper over the two pins one set
away from the power plug. When I fire up, the machine sees both master
and slave in bios, but in the OS there is no trace of the new drive.
What's wrong here?

The pins jumped on WD drives should be Master w/Slave and and Slave,
other wise they could both be jumped as Cable Select. The drive
should have a diagram for the jumper settings on the label on the top
of the drive.

Master w/Slave = Center pins jumped
Slave = 2nd pins from right of power cable jumped

Looking at the back of the drive:
Master w/Salve
n n j n n
n n j n n

Slave
n n n j n
n n n j n

If that doesn't resolve the issue:
Did you partition/format the drive?
Are you using a "40 pin/80 wire" or "40 pin/40 wire" ribbon data cable?

I think the jumpers are right. They always seem to manage to put the
little jumper table sticker in a place where it can't be seen once
you've installed it. I just pulled the drive out of the package and put
it in place with whatever ribbon cable I had before. I haven't formatted
it.

I don't know which cable I have. I'll take a look at it and the jumpers
after I post here.

I have a 10-pin block next to the power plug. Back in awhile. It looks

My cable is blue (system), gray (slave) and black (master). So I guess
that a cable select. According to the pdf provided in a post, the
settings should be:
cable select (master?)
n n n n j
n n n n j
Dual(Slave)
n n n j n
n n n j n

When I look at bios, both drives are WD1200JB-00GVA.
However, if I look at the settings, I see:

C- Drive D-Drive
IDE HDD Auto: Press Enter Press Enter
IDE primary: auto auto
access: auto auto
Capacity: 120GB 33822GB !!!! Yes, MB
Cylinders: 57461 65531 !!
Head: 16 16
Precomp: 0 0
Landing zone: 57461 65530
Sectors: 255 63

What's that about??? Defective drive?
I tried a few different jumper settings and either got the OS to
recognize the c-drive, but never the d-drive.

I'm using an ABIT VA-10 MB. Am I flying into a head wind here. The bios
shows IDE on anything to do with the HDDs, and the MB shows IDE marked
on the board connectors. Perhaps this MB doesn't even support drive
select. I can't find my manual now, and the web doesn't show any free
ones. ABIT's site is down. My oh my.

W. eWatson wrote:
Brian A. wrote:
"W. eWatson" wrote in message

My C-drive is a WCD1200JB, IDE. I'm trying to install a new one,
WCD1200JB also, as a slave. The drive on the end of the cable is the old
drive. The slave, the new one, is in the middle of the cable. I have no
pins used on the new drive, and one jumper over the two pins one set
away from the power plug. When I fire up, the machine sees both master
and slave in bios, but in the OS there is no trace of the new drive.
What's wrong here?

The pins jumped on WD drives should be Master w/Slave and and Slave,
other wise they could both be jumped as Cable Select. The drive
should have a diagram for the jumper settings on the label on the top
of the drive.

Master w/Slave = Center pins jumped
Slave = 2nd pins from right of power cable jumped

Looking at the back of the drive:
Master w/Salve
n n j n n
n n j n n

Slave
n n n j n
n n n j n

If that doesn't resolve the issue:
Did you partition/format the drive?
Are you using a "40 pin/80 wire" or "40 pin/40 wire" ribbon data cable?

I think the jumpers are right. They always seem to manage to put the
little jumper table sticker in a place where it can't be seen once
you've installed it. I just pulled the drive out of the package and put
it in place with whatever ribbon cable I had before. I haven't formatted
it.

I don't know which cable I have. I'll take a look at it and the jumpers
after I post here.

I have a 10-pin block next to the power plug. Back in awhile. It looks

My cable is blue (system), gray (slave) and black (master). So I guess
that a cable select. According to the pdf provided in a post, the
settings should be:
cable select (master?)
n n n n j
n n n n j
Dual(Slave)
n n n j n
n n n j n

When I look at bios, both drives are WD1200JB-00GVA.
However, if I look at the settings, I see:

C- Drive D-Drive
IDE HDD Auto: Press Enter Press Enter
IDE primary: auto auto
access: auto auto
Capacity: 120GB 33822GB !!!! Yes, MB
Cylinders: 57461 65531 !!
Head: 16 16
Precomp: 0 0
Landing zone: 57461 65530
Sectors: 255 63

What's that about??? Defective drive?
I tried a few different jumper settings and either got the OS to
recognize the c-drive, but never the d-drive.

I'm using an ABIT VA-10 MB. Am I flying into a head wind here. The bios
shows IDE on anything to do with the HDDs, and the MB shows IDE marked
on the board connectors. Perhaps this MB doesn't even support drive
select. I can't find my manual now, and the web doesn't show any free
ones. ABIT's site is down. My oh my.

W. eWatson wrote:
W. eWatson wrote:
Brian A. wrote:
"W. eWatson" wrote in message

My C-drive is a WCD1200JB, IDE. I'm trying to install a new one,
WCD1200JB also, as a slave. The drive on the end of the cable is the
old
drive. The slave, the new one, is in the middle of the cable. I have no
pins used on the new drive, and one jumper over the two pins one set
away from the power plug. When I fire up, the machine sees both master
and slave in bios, but in the OS there is no trace of the new drive.
What's wrong here?

The pins jumped on WD drives should be Master w/Slave and and Slave,
other wise they could both be jumped as Cable Select. The drive
should have a diagram for the jumper settings on the label on the top
of the drive.

Master w/Slave = Center pins jumped
Slave = 2nd pins from right of power cable jumped

Looking at the back of the drive:
Master w/Salve
n n j n n
n n j n n

Slave
n n n j n
n n n j n

If that doesn't resolve the issue:
Did you partition/format the drive?
Are you using a "40 pin/80 wire" or "40 pin/40 wire" ribbon data cable?

I think the jumpers are right. They always seem to manage to put the
little jumper table sticker in a place where it can't be seen once
you've installed it. I just pulled the drive out of the package and
put it in place with whatever ribbon cable I had before. I haven't
formatted it.

I don't know which cable I have. I'll take a look at it and the
jumpers after I post here.

I have a 10-pin block next to the power plug. Back in awhile. It looks

My cable is blue (system), gray (slave) and black (master). So I guess
that a cable select. According to the pdf provided in a post, the
settings should be:
cable select (master?)
n n n n j
n n n n j
Dual(Slave)
n n n j n
n n n j n

When I look at bios, both drives are WD1200JB-00GVA.
However, if I look at the settings, I see:

C- Drive D-Drive
IDE HDD Auto: Press Enter Press Enter
IDE primary: auto auto
access: auto auto
Capacity: 120GB 33822GB !!!! Yes, MB
Cylinders: 57461 65531 !!
Head: 16 16
Precomp: 0 0
Landing zone: 57461 65530
Sectors: 255 63

What's that about??? Defective drive?
I tried a few different jumper settings and either got the OS to
recognize the c-drive, but never the d-drive.

I'm using an ABIT VA-10 MB. Am I flying into a head wind here. The bios
shows IDE on anything to do with the HDDs, and the MB shows IDE marked
on the board connectors. Perhaps this MB doesn't even support drive
select. I can't find my manual now, and the web doesn't show any free
ones. ABIT's site is down. My oh my.

The board has room for two cables and up to four drives. Place
your working device(s) on one cable. Place the suspicious drive
all by itself, on the end of the second cable. Jumper it for
Single Master (probably no jumpers). What does it show in the
BIOS now ? A single drive on the end of the cable, gives the
best signal integrity.

Your results look like perhaps there is data corruption on the cable.

The best kind of wiring for IDE, is the 80 wire cable. The wires
are a little thinner looking than the 40 wire cable. The difference
is, on the 80 wire cable, every second wire is a ground signal,
which controls the impedance better and reduces crosstalk. The introduction
of 80 wire cables is what made the higher Ultra transfer rates work.
And they're recommended for their general goodness. If you're
using 40 wire cables still, pick up a few spares of the 80 wire
cables while you still can.

There is another thing that can influence signal quality, but it
might not be exposed on too many BIOS screens. There is an
IDE "drive strength" setting, with options like "strong" or
"normal" or the like. You really shouldn't play with that.
The setting should be left at the factory default, because
the factory setting is likely to match the normal cable
impedance. You can cause a mismatch by adjusting that setting,
and it is debatable whether such setting should even show
in the BIOS. (They used to do that for AGP as well, but
in that case, there was enough variation between chipsets,
that end users may need to tune it - even if they can't
tell what is going on.)

Paul

W. eWatson wrote:
W. eWatson wrote:
Brian A. wrote:
"W. eWatson" wrote in message

My C-drive is a WCD1200JB, IDE. I'm trying to install a new one,
WCD1200JB also, as a slave. The drive on the end of the cable is the
old
drive. The slave, the new one, is in the middle of the cable. I have no
pins used on the new drive, and one jumper over the two pins one set
away from the power plug. When I fire up, the machine sees both master
and slave in bios, but in the OS there is no trace of the new drive.
What's wrong here?

The pins jumped on WD drives should be Master w/Slave and and Slave,
other wise they could both be jumped as Cable Select. The drive
should have a diagram for the jumper settings on the label on the top
of the drive.

Master w/Slave = Center pins jumped
Slave = 2nd pins from right of power cable jumped

Looking at the back of the drive:
Master w/Salve
n n j n n
n n j n n

Slave
n n n j n
n n n j n

If that doesn't resolve the issue:
Did you partition/format the drive?
Are you using a "40 pin/80 wire" or "40 pin/40 wire" ribbon data cable?

I think the jumpers are right. They always seem to manage to put the
little jumper table sticker in a place where it can't be seen once
you've installed it. I just pulled the drive out of the package and
put it in place with whatever ribbon cable I had before. I haven't
formatted it.

I don't know which cable I have. I'll take a look at it and the
jumpers after I post here.

I have a 10-pin block next to the power plug. Back in awhile. It looks

My cable is blue (system), gray (slave) and black (master). So I guess
that a cable select. According to the pdf provided in a post, the
settings should be:
cable select (master?)
n n n n j
n n n n j
Dual(Slave)
n n n j n
n n n j n

When I look at bios, both drives are WD1200JB-00GVA.
However, if I look at the settings, I see:

C- Drive D-Drive
IDE HDD Auto: Press Enter Press Enter
IDE primary: auto auto
access: auto auto
Capacity: 120GB 33822GB !!!! Yes, MB
Cylinders: 57461 65531 !!
Head: 16 16
Precomp: 0 0
Landing zone: 57461 65530
Sectors: 255 63

What's that about??? Defective drive?
I tried a few different jumper settings and either got the OS to
recognize the c-drive, but never the d-drive.

I'm using an ABIT VA-10 MB. Am I flying into a head wind here. The bios
shows IDE on anything to do with the HDDs, and the MB shows IDE marked
on the board connectors. Perhaps this MB doesn't even support drive
select. I can't find my manual now, and the web doesn't show any free
ones. ABIT's site is down. My oh my.

The board has room for two cables and up to four drives. Place
your working device(s) on one cable. Place the suspicious drive
all by itself, on the end of the second cable. Jumper it for
Single Master (probably no jumpers). What does it show in the
BIOS now ? A single drive on the end of the cable, gives the
best signal integrity.

Your results look like perhaps there is data corruption on the cable.

The best kind of wiring for IDE, is the 80 wire cable. The wires
are a little thinner looking than the 40 wire cable. The difference
is, on the 80 wire cable, every second wire is a ground signal,
which controls the impedance better and reduces crosstalk. The introduction
of 80 wire cables is what made the higher Ultra transfer rates work.
And they're recommended for their general goodness. If you're
using 40 wire cables still, pick up a few spares of the 80 wire
cables while you still can.

There is another thing that can influence signal quality, but it
might not be exposed on too many BIOS screens. There is an
IDE "drive strength" setting, with options like "strong" or
"normal" or the like. You really shouldn't play with that.
The setting should be left at the factory default, because
the factory setting is likely to match the normal cable
impedance. You can cause a mismatch by adjusting that setting,
and it is debatable whether such setting should even show
in the BIOS. (They used to do that for AGP as well, but
in that case, there was enough variation between chipsets,
that end users may need to tune it - even if they can't
tell what is going on.)

Paul