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Space reserved for System Restore files
Back in the XP days, the amount of recommended space for System Restore
was 15% of the hard drive size. I've been looking for some similar recommendations for newer system, especially since W10 has System Restore off as the default. But I've found none. Looking for thoughts and suggestions. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 44.0 Thunderbird 38.0.1 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 2/29/2016 9:20 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
Back in the XP days, the amount of recommended space for System Restore was 15% of the hard drive size. I've been looking for some similar recommendations for newer system, especially since W10 has System Restore off as the default. But I've found none. Looking for thoughts and suggestions. I leave mine set at 15%, which seems to give me plenty of restore points, Too old points are not of much value anyway. Regards, Rene |
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Ken Springer wrote:
Back in the XP days, the amount of recommended space for System Restore was 15% of the hard drive size. I've been looking for some similar recommendations for newer system, especially since W10 has System Restore off as the default. But I've found none. Looking for thoughts and suggestions. SR is off the default in Win10. The primary reason - with Win10 providing major o/s updates[currently on the second update(aka 1511)with the 3rd(16xx)expected to be released this summer]any prior SR point becomes useless after an o/s update. i.e. if enabling System Restore make a note to reset it after each and every major update. In fact, it may be appropriate to wipe all SR points and disable prior to installing a major Win10 update and only before creating an image of the System and Boot Volume(Win10's System Image and o/s partitions). -- ....winston msft mvp windows experience |
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Ken Springer wrote:
Back in the XP days, the amount of recommended space for System Restore was 15% of the hard drive size. I've been looking for some similar recommendations for newer system, especially since W10 has System Restore off as the default. But I've found none. Looking for thoughts and suggestions. Depends on how many rest pts you want. As Rene said, old ones are not much value. I usually keep 10 known good ones and delete the rest. The fun machine 7/64 is set to 5% (23gb) of 465gb. C only. It has 8 points and using 19 gb of 23g = 2.4 gb each. This machine has between 2 and 5 drives and lots of interesting programs. The work machine 7/64 is set to 21% (59gb of 287g. C only. It has 31 restore points because I forget to delete 21. Way too much %. Need to cut down to around 10%. It is using 55gb of 59g max = 1.8g each. It is only for business, MS software, data analysis software, etc. One drive only + dvdr. |
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On 2/29/2016 11:23 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
SR is off the default in Win10. The primary reason - with Win10 providing major o/s updates[currently on the second update(aka 1511)with the 3rd(16xx)expected to be released this summer]any prior SR point becomes useless after an o/s update. i.e. if enabling System Restore make a note to reset it after each and every major update. In fact, it may be appropriate to wipe all SR points and disable prior to installing a major Win10 update and only before creating an image of the System and Boot Volume(Win10's System Image and o/s partitions). So... one wipes all SR points, installs the major Win10 update that screws up their system (again), and then what??? -- Best regards, Neil |
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=?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?= dumbassed this one:
SR is off the default in Win10. WRONG! And yet again, you don't even know what you're talking about. You continue to prove how irrelevant you are. You are the MVP of dumbass. My Windows 10 Pro defaulted to SR turned OFF - on ALL drives! For anyone else : Bring up System Properties by right-clicking on This PC and click Properties... System Properties | System Protection | [choose desired button] I prefer to use an image backup system, but some may like the SR. -- I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; Resolve conflicts the American way : Rock - Paper - Scissors - Twitter War - Concealed Firearm .... and I approve this message! |
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Wolf K posted this :
[...] Have a good day, [...] Just proved you are a dumbass again. -- I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; Resolve conflicts the American way : Rock - Paper - Scissors - Twitter War - Concealed Firearm .... and I approve this message! |
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Bucky Breeder wrote:
=?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?= dumbassed this one: SR is off the default in Win10. WRONG! My Windows 10 Pro defaulted to SR turned OFF - on ALL drives! Having trouble reading SR is 'off' **the default in Win10** -- ....winston msft mvp windows experience |
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Neil wrote:
On 2/29/2016 11:23 PM, ...winston‫ wrote: SR is off the default in Win10. The primary reason - with Win10 providing major o/s updates[currently on the second update(aka 1511)with the 3rd(16xx)expected to be released this summer]any prior SR point becomes useless after an o/s update. i.e. if enabling System Restore make a note to reset it after each and every major update. In fact, it may be appropriate to wipe all SR points and disable prior to installing a major Win10 update and only before creating an image of the System and Boot Volume(Win10's System Image and o/s partitions). So... one wipes all SR points, installs the major Win10 update that screws up their system (again), and then what??? The SR point is of no value after a major update(the version and build are new) - restore using a user created image or the Win10 Recovery options(Reset, Advanced, or Go back to an earlier build) -- ....winston msft mvp windows experience |
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On 3/1/2016 2:51 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Neil wrote: On 2/29/2016 11:23 PM, ...winston‫ wrote: SR is off the default in Win10. The primary reason - with Win10 providing major o/s updates[currently on the second update(aka 1511)with the 3rd(16xx)expected to be released this summer]any prior SR point becomes useless after an o/s update. i.e. if enabling System Restore make a note to reset it after each and every major update. In fact, it may be appropriate to wipe all SR points and disable prior to installing a major Win10 update and only before creating an image of the System and Boot Volume(Win10's System Image and o/s partitions). So... one wipes all SR points, installs the major Win10 update that screws up their system (again), and then what??? The SR point is of no value after a major update(the version and build are new) - restore using a user created image or the Win10 Recovery options(Reset, Advanced, or Go back to an earlier build) Interesting. "System Restore" and "Go back to an earlier build" seems semantically identical to me. What is being "restored" if it isn't the OS? -- Best regards, Neil |
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Neil wrote:
On 3/1/2016 2:51 PM, ...winston‫ wrote: Neil wrote: On 2/29/2016 11:23 PM, ...winston‫ wrote: SR is off the default in Win10. The primary reason - with Win10 providing major o/s updates[currently on the second update(aka 1511)with the 3rd(16xx)expected to be released this summer]any prior SR point becomes useless after an o/s update. i.e. if enabling System Restore make a note to reset it after each and every major update. In fact, it may be appropriate to wipe all SR points and disable prior to installing a major Win10 update and only before creating an image of the System and Boot Volume(Win10's System Image and o/s partitions). So... one wipes all SR points, installs the major Win10 update that screws up their system (again), and then what??? The SR point is of no value after a major update(the version and build are new) - restore using a user created image or the Win10 Recovery options(Reset, Advanced, or Go back to an earlier build) Interesting. "System Restore" and "Go back to an earlier build" seems semantically identical to me. What is being "restored" if it isn't the OS? System Restore keeps 3GB (or more) of files in System Volume Information folder. It keeps deltas for a wide range of areas of the partition. The "revert" capability of a Windows OS Upgrade install, relies on 20GB (the entire Windows folder) stored as C:\Windows.old . It's not nearly the same mechanism, and doesn't have nearly the same coverage. An OS Upgrade installer can mess with stuff outside C:\Windows , to the detriment of the user. If an OS Upgrade were tracked by System Restore, the SVI folder would need to hold 20GB of stuff. The time to revert, would be quite quite long, longer than renaming C:\Windows.old to C:\Windows. One difference is, System Restore would fix some Program Files damage, whereas a Windows OS Upgrade doesn't track what it has done to the Program Files folder, and makes no attempt to undo the damage it caused there. Paul |
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Neil wrote:
On 3/1/2016 2:51 PM, ...winston‫ wrote: Neil wrote: On 2/29/2016 11:23 PM, ...winston‫ wrote: SR is off the default in Win10. The primary reason - with Win10 providing major o/s updates[currently on the second update(aka 1511)with the 3rd(16xx)expected to be released this summer]any prior SR point becomes useless after an o/s update. i.e. if enabling System Restore make a note to reset it after each and every major update. In fact, it may be appropriate to wipe all SR points and disable prior to installing a major Win10 update and only before creating an image of the System and Boot Volume(Win10's System Image and o/s partitions). So... one wipes all SR points, installs the major Win10 update that screws up their system (again), and then what??? The SR point is of no value after a major update(the version and build are new) - restore using a user created image or the Win10 Recovery options(Reset, Advanced, or Go back to an earlier build) Interesting. "System Restore" and "Go back to an earlier build" seems semantically identical to me. What is being "restored" if it isn't the OS? System Restore http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...restore-change Go back to an earlier build returns 'everything' to the condition that existed prior to the major o/s upgrade. As other's have noted, if a need to GoBack is warranted the safer route would always be to use an image created prior to the upgrade using the Windows included tools or 3rd party imaging software(Acronis True Image 2016, Macrium Reflect or another 3rd party tool). If you've not created an image, now would be a good time to investigate the available tools(in Windows or 3rd party ware). -- ....winston msft mvp windows experience |
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In message , Ken Springer
writes: Back in the XP days, the amount of recommended space for System Restore was 15% of the hard drive size. I've been looking for some similar recommendations for newer system, especially since W10 has System Restore off as the default. But I've found none. Looking for thoughts and suggestions. I've never understood the percentage rules-of-thumb. To me, such things use an absolute amount of space (gradually growing with time), not a percentage of whatever disc size you (or the manufacturer) chose to provide. In a similar way, I never understood (this is going back several OS versions, possibly even to 3.1!) the adage of always setting a page file size (I think that's what it was) a fixed multiple (e. g. 3) of the amount of RAM you've got. As I saw it, if you had _more_ RAM, you needed _less_ page file, except for when you had a very small amount. So I'd find how much space a restore takes (see how much disc you have free, make a restore point, do the sums), then decide how many you want, make some allowance for gradual growth/bloat, and reserve that much space - not a percentage. (Or will 7 and 10 only let you set a percentage not an absolute amount?) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Play dirty. If a fellow contestant asks the audience if they've got any requests for what he or she should play, reply, "Yeah... Monopoly." |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In a similar way, I never understood (this is going back several OS versions, possibly even to 3.1!) the adage of always setting a page file size (I think that's what it was) a fixed multiple (e. g. 3) of the amount of RAM you've got. As I saw it, if you had _more_ RAM, you needed _less_ page file, except for when you had a very small amount. The old 2:1 ratio used to be a mantra a long time ago. And even back then, you couldn't trace the advice given, to some published article or something. It was just coffee table chat that got passed around. The practice is all over the map now. People are using their actual experience, to set a value. ******* I did resort to using a huge pagefile for a week long calculation - I did it, because I had a lot to lose, if the calculation crashed before completion. The max pagefile usage extended to about 25% of my huge allocation. I turned it all the way down, later... Paul |
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Neil wrote:
On 2/29/2016 11:23 PM, ...winston‫ wrote: SR is off the default in Win10. The primary reason - with Win10 providing major o/s updates[currently on the second update(aka 1511)with the 3rd(16xx)expected to be released this summer]any prior SR point becomes useless after an o/s update. i.e. if enabling System Restore make a note to reset it after each and every major update. In fact, it may be appropriate to wipe all SR points and disable prior to installing a major Win10 update and only before creating an image of the System and Boot Volume(Win10's System Image and o/s partitions). So... one wipes all SR points, installs the major Win10 update that screws up their system (again), and then what??? SR's won't be of any value since they would not apply to what is effectively a new O/S. Clone or image prior to major upgrades. |
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